Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2010

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 18 Jul 2010 23:55

Home secretary’s comment on Pak role in 26/11 upsets PM

Sunday, July 18, 2010 23:30

Prime minister Manmohan Singh has taken a dim view of Union home secretary GK Pillai’s statement directly accusing the Pakistan establishment and the inter services intelligence (ISI) for their role in controlling and coordinating 26/11 Mumbai attacks , made on the eve of external affairs minister SM Krishna's visit to Islamabad.

It is learnt that Singh was upset with the timing rather than the content of the statement by Pillai, sources said. He is understood to have told Krishna that he completely disapproved of the way the home ministry went public on Pakistan’s role in the Mumbai attacks . It could not be independently confirmed whether the prime minister personally spoke to Pillai.

Krishna had called on Singh soon after his return from Islamabad on Friday and gave a detailed account of his talks with Pakistan foreign minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi and meetings with president Asif Ali Zardari and prime minister Yousuf Raza Gilani.

He also apprised the PM of how the initial warmth and commitment to restore confidence soon evaporated once the strongly-worded statement of Pillai sounded in the middle of the talks. The warmth was replaced by tit-for-tat responses on a range of issues.

Soon, the fissures over Kashmir, contradictory views on action against perpetrators of the Mumbai terror attacks and disagreement over Balochistan lay bare.

Krishna, on his part, told Singh that he tried to salvage the situation by telling his counterpart that there was nothing new in what Pillai had said. An update on the investigations done by the Indian agencies and also by the US authorities had already been sent and Pakistan had assured action as well.

Krishna even agreed with his counterpart that Pillai’s statement was “uncalled for” . But the damage had been done and the current round led to the fiasco.

It is learnt that Singh appreciated Krishna’s composure despite provocation. There are indications that the "mild-mannered" home secretary may not do the talking anymore on the Indo-Pak issue in future.

The prime minister’s office has also expressed surprise that officials were talking on crucial issues when the mandate to do so was with the political leadership and home minister P Chidambaram in particular.

It will now be left to the Union home minister, who had handled the situation when he visited Pakistan last month at the time of SAARC summit and established a rapport with his counterpart Rehman Malik, to undo the damage.

archan · Post by **archan** » 18 Jul 2010 23:57

unkil ka danda?

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 19 Jul 2010 00:04

putnanja wrote: Wasn't there the famous spats between Rumsfield and Colin Powell? The two were barely on talking terms while serving Bush. Weren't there sharp differnces of opinions between Colin Powell, Rumsfield, Rice etc.? In fact, wasn't India more comfortable with Rice than Powell even when Rice was NSA?

absolutely correct any party or setup in world has people who differ each other in opinions. Example Hilary supported Iraq invasion where as Ombaba opposed it despite both being democrats. So within the same party you will see harliners and moderates. Example from India would be Vajpayee and Advani in 90's before Advani fell in love with Jinnah. Or Modi , Uma Bharati & Kalyan Singh Vs Arun Shourie, Jaswant Singh, Jaitley & Shatrughan Sinha. That is where you build bridges with like minded parties and sometime come up with bipartisan support example Brijesh Mishra supporting MMS on nuke deal.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 19 Jul 2010 00:07

shiv wrote:
amit wrote:
But my point is this idea that one section of the GoI led by our dear PM is forever scheming to gift away Kashmir, water and just about everything under the sun to the Pakis and are being prevent by valiant efforts of a small section of desh bhakts doesn't add up.

It does not add up because it was bullsh1t from day 1.

Shivji and Amitji - Thanks for articulating this...

Meanwhile this news item should warm up the hearts ...

Like the nuclear deal offered to Pakistan which made Qureshi lock locks with Hillary and express full satisfaction

?

In an interview to BBC, just after arrival in Terroriststan Madam Clinston asks Pakistan to do more to combat terrorism

Some quotes:

...But there is no doubt in anyone?s mind that should an attack against the United States be traced to be Pakistani it would have a very devastating impact on our relationship

and

There are still additional steps that we are asking and expecting the Pakistanis to take,

Along with usual

Washington and Islamabad had increased our cooperation, deepened our relationship, when it comes to fighting terrorism...

Also She confirmed that Washington planned to formally designate Pakistan's Haqqani network as a foreign terrorist organisation.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 19 Jul 2010 00:21

BTW, accompanying Clinton is Rajiv Shah (of USAID) ... who said something to the effect:
"We will not do what we’ve done in the past.”..

Also..
For all those nay sayers ..... that these talks are useless etc ... unless we talk about really important things etc ... here is a news item..
about about US aid ..
Hillary Clinton participates in National Consultation on Birth Spacing

ISLAMABAD: A high level U.S. delegation accompanying United States Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton on Sunday participated in a “National Consultation on Birth Spacing” organised by the Ministry of Health here.
The U.S. delegation was led by the Administrator of USAID, Dr. Rajiv Shah and ....

jagga · Post by **jagga** » 19 Jul 2010 01:15

satyam wrote:His daughter Benazir Bhutto's unparliamentary language when she talked of the then Prime Minister Narasimha Rao still rankles with Indian diplomats.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Diplomacy ... 74327.aspx

What did benazir say about PVN Rao? Can somebody tell please?

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 19 Jul 2010 01:20

The real story of the talks that failed

Once back home, Krishna apologized to the PM for letting him down. The PM complimented him on his dignified conduct. Krishna also shared with the PM his disappointment about the Home Secretary's remarks which he felt negatively affected the outcome of the visit. The PM, according to South Block buzz, was in complete agreement. Even getting a top PMO staffer to pull up Pillai for speaking out of turn and denting Manmohan Singh's Pak initiative. All Secretaries of the government, we hear, are likely to be instructed, from hereon, to exercise the utmost restraint when speaking on Indo-Pak ties.

Meanwhile, Washington too has been left fuming at Pillai's Headley revelations. At least once before, when the NIA team was in Chicago questioning Headley, Washington had been upset by the leaks and had asked New Delhi to keep a lid on them because the revelations could affect Headley's plea bargain agreement with the US and therefore the outcome of the judicial process underway.

Now of course Pakistan is blowing hot, blowing cold. PM Gilani and Qureshi have made soothing noises, the stage is being set for another round in Kabul on Monday-Tuesday. Krishna and Qureshi may not lock horns there although Afghanistan is literally the theatre for an India-Pakistan proxy war for influence. All eyes will be on Hillary Clinton in Kabul -- she would have arrived from Islamabad after the US-Pak strategic dialogue. What would she say to Pakistan after it snubbed India's peace overtures? And what message will she carry for Krishna who she'll meet for a one on one?

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 19 Jul 2010 01:23

The above article is a keeper.

As a Panjabi, let me state the obvious: rural Panjab has some of the crudest people in the world. Absolutely uncivilised. We acknowledge it. Pakistanis have this rural ambience even in their big cities (where there is no science or art, there is a crudity), and they have taken to the Arab machismo culture like a duck to water.

there was a suggestion that S.Indians should deal with them-sire, they will sh!t in your hand and believe they have won a debating point.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 19 Jul 2010 01:25

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Diplomacy ... 74327.aspx

I meant this one.

negi · Post by **negi** » 19 Jul 2010 01:34

SanjayKumar afaik apna PM too is a Punjabi and as far as Indo-Pak chai biskoot goes it is he who runs the show.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 19 Jul 2010 01:40

MMS is nagarik, eminently civiised-my reference is to rural Panjab of a certain era, preserved in its pristine glory now in west Panjab.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 19 Jul 2010 03:25

While we Indians are twiddling our thumbs about Krishna and Pillai,the Pakistanis are winning the race to extend the sphere of influence to Africa

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 19 Jul 2010 03:45

As a Panjabi, let me state the obvious: rural Panjab has some of the crudest people in the world. Absolutely uncivilised. We acknowledge it. Pakistanis have this rural ambience even in their big cities (where there is no science or art, there is a crudity), and they have taken to the Arab machismo culture like a duck to water.

The problem is not so much the crudeness of the Pakjabis – but, the Indian inability to be direct, let alone be aggressive about our point of view. Our motto is to resist Pakistani diplomatic depredations. We negotiate with ourselves on how much of Indian interests to give up. As a result, going by our attitude of maintaining status quo, we’ll always give up the diplomatic advantage to Pakistanis – thus, low level Pakistani officials end up telling our PM to move from where he’s standing, in order for better optics for the Paki PM.

Consider the following:
- We’re negotiating with ourselves to effect better IW ground water management to help the Pakis, but none of our politicians will have the chutzpah to put a proposal for “equal distribution by volume of Indus waters”

- Even when aggressive proposals are put forward by Indians (see http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/jun/20guest1.htm) – and the MEA officials off-the-record support such a plan, there are no attempts to play these up in media

- US arms to Pakistan can have significant impact on our decisions after the next attack (which will happen) – but, even having 20 analysts write about such deviousness in public or having 20 TV shows devoted to such perfidy is hardly considered

- We all understand that “solving Kashmir” will have absolutely no impact on Pakistani resolve to use terrorism as a state and cultural policy – yet stating this simply is beyond us – mind you the evidence for this exists

- In the NDTV show post the recent foreign minister spat – on hearing Tarun Vijay’s suggestions on stopping dialogue, Tom Vadakkan went apoplectic – and resorted to high pitched screaming about some hypothetical “war” which no one had proposed – effectively, ending that thread of discussion.

- Its perfectly OK for Pakistani to invite and hold seminars with secessionists from India - but, India gets its kaccha in a twist at the thought of having public meets amongst Pakistani secessionists

We don’t have the chutzpah to present our own points of view and aggressively take care of our own interests even amongst our own public – we end up constantly negotiating amongst ourselves on Pakistani diplomatic depredations. That’s the rub.

We tend to believe that pusillanimity in itself is an effective diplomatic ploy - such an approach was never less effective than now.

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 19 Jul 2010 03:56

anmol wrote:
Home secretary’s comment on Pak role in 26/11 upsets PM

...HM is HS's boss and PM is HM's boss...they belong to same team rite? If PM is upset, why should it be made public? it could have been behind the curtains...as a ruling party..what message are they sending to Indian citizens? so many discrepancies cha cha...or many such discrepancies are yet to come? Citizens will only loose trust in them which is dangerous...

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 19 Jul 2010 04:33

US steps in to ‘save’ Indo-Pak dialogue

* Hillary Clinton phones foreign ministers of both countries and persuades them to meet on the sidelines of Kabul conference

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Jul 2010 04:51

Pakistan once again denies India transit route to Afghanistan

“It has been agreed that no Indian export to Afghanistan will be allowed through Wagah. However, Afghanistan would have the opportunity to export to India,” said a statement issued by Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani’s office.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 19 Jul 2010 05:35

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/we-ne ... e/648098/0

It is true that the timing of the Home Secretary’s revelation that David Headley had told Indian officials that the ISI was behind 26/11 was curious. He said this in this newspaper’s Idea Exchange forum and it became the first official admission by the Indian government that it believed that the attack on Mumbai was planned and executed by the Pakistani government. This dramatically changes what happened from an act of terrorism into an act of war and the Indian public has a right to this information but for it to be revealed on the eve of the Islamabad talks has puzzled political pundits in Delhi all week. ...Does it not immediately debase the whole effort at dialogue that India has initiated despite what we now know about 26/11?

Pakistan’s Foreign Minister made it clear at their joint press conference that in his view, terrorism was something that affected both countries equally. This is complete rubbish. If Pakistan is under attack from the evil jihadi groups it created, this cannot be blamed on India. When it comes to jihadi terrorism on Indian soil it can with complete certainty be blamed on Pakistan, especially when it comes to 26/11. So what on earth are we talking about?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 19 Jul 2010 05:36

So the honorable PM and his brigade are upset with Pillai for speaking the truth about ISI. So next what? The honorable PMJi is going to be upset at someone in his cabinet mentioning Mumbai 26/11 as prepares to embrace TSP?

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 19 Jul 2010 05:41

Perhaps should go in Bositive thread ...
Clinton to be given audio CD of Krishna’s calls from Delhi

.... Hillary Clinton to be given the CD carrying Krishna’s tele-talks with Delhi during the Islamabad talks. ..

The Daily Mail has learnt that a premier intelligence agency of the country had intercepted the mobile communication of Indian External Affairs Minister, S.M. Krishna and his visiting delegation with people back in India...
The CD along with the transcripts will be handed over to the US Government, so that they can review progress of Pakistan-India dialogue...
. Well placed sources have revealed to The Daily Mail that the recording of the S.M. Krishna’s conversation with RAW Chief and Indian Army Chief, who were constantly giving dictations during talks....

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 19 Jul 2010 05:53

Awww.....poor munna complaining to Mummy.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Jul 2010 05:54

shynee wrote:The real story of the talks that failed
Once back home, Krishna apologized to the PM for letting him down. The PM complimented him on his dignified conduct. Krishna also shared with the PM his disappointment about the Home Secretary's remarks which he felt negatively affected the outcome of the visit. The PM, according to South Block buzz, was in complete agreement. Even getting a top PMO staffer to pull up Pillai for speaking out of turn and denting Manmohan Singh's Pak initiative. All Secretaries of the government, we hear, are likely to be instructed, from hereon, to exercise the utmost restraint when speaking on Indo-Pak ties.

Hmm - I'm beginning to enjoy this. There seems to be something too artificial about this whole drama. It could just have been deliberately set up. But of course chankian planning is for non Indians. We Indians are not clever enough. Click here for a long list of Indian failures and here for a long list of successes of all non Indians.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Jul 2010 05:56

satyam wrote:Diplomacy by dirty deeds

Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was famous for using four-letter words when he spoke to an Indian across a negotiating table. His daughter Benazir Bhutto's unparliamentary language when she talked of the then Prime Minister Narasimha Rao still rankles with Indian diplomats.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Diplomacy ... 74327.aspx

How did the Pakistani School of Diplomacy come into being?

Those who have been at the receiving end say the most important reason for the way Pakistan behaves is that the ultimate levers of powers are held by soldiers. The military stamp, says former foreign secretary Kanwal Sibal, "tends to make Pakistanis brash and overbearing at talks. They look at complex issues without nuance and behave with a certain swagger."

It also means that, unlike in India, Pakistani negotiators contend with two centres of power. This muddies their ability to focus on the long term.

"When negotiating with them, it is necessary to first ascertain which principal they are answering to," says an Indian diplomat who handled talks with the Pakistanis for years.

"Except for three brief periods, there has only been one centre of power in Pakistan, the other was a façade."

A certain geopolitical environment has encouraged Pakistan in its curmudgeonly ways.

"Their experience has been that they can get away with this sort of behaviour," says Sibal.

For much of its history, Pakistan has been able to count on more international support than India — whether it has been the West, the Islamic world, East Asia or even the rest of the subcontinent. This has given Pakistan the leeway to break the diplomatic rulebook, something that has now become a habit.

"Foreign assistance allowed them to play a role greater than their actual capabilities," says G Parthasarathy, former high commissioner to Pakistan.

The result: a nuclear-armed spoilt kid of a nation.

The support from US and then from PRC is what makes the TSP so arrogant. There are others govts that have military but they are not this arrogant.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Jul 2010 06:04

CRamS wrote:So the honorable PM and his brigade are upset with Pillai for speaking the truth about ISI. So next what? The honorable PMJi is going to be upset at someone in his cabinet mentioning Mumbai 26/11 as prepares to embrace TSP?

Are they really upset? This whole drama could have been planned and now the GoI is washing its hands off. "We are talking but our people want action. What can we do?"

Did you notice how the "leak" about ISI paying a few lakhs to buy the boat to Mumbai came the same day as the talks disagreement spat broke?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Jul 2010 06:13

satyam wrote:Diplomacy by dirty deeds

Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was famous for using four-letter words when he spoke to an Indian across a negotiating table. His daughter Benazir Bhutto's unparliamentary language when she talked of the then Prime Minister Narasimha Rao still rankles with Indian diplomats.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Diplomacy ... 74327.aspx

This is an excellent and archivable article.

For the first time - the existence of a degree of insight and sophistication in the Indian camp is being revealed in public

After Krishna's defence, a senior Indian diplomat, asked if Qureshi's decision to let loose even before Krishna had left the country was an unprecedented act.

The diplomat responded: "They've done this before."

Boorish behaviour has been remarkably common in Pakistan's official interactions with India.

and

The Islamabad talks foundered when Qureshi tossed aside weeks of preparatory talks and, after lunch, suddenly asked India to sign up for a time-bound solution to Kashmir and two other issues (peace and security, and Siachen).

This is another Pakistani speciality: ambush diplomacy.

Pervez Musharraf had tried the same tactic at the Agra summit, personally scrawling off-the-cuff proposals and demanding Atal Bihari Vajpayee sign the dotted line.

and

The years have also seen a coarsening of the Pakistani polity. Islamic fundamentalists and the military have an outsize role in the national discourse. Neither group puts much store in the rounded corners of diplomacy, with its culture of compromise seeking and emotional restraint.

Pakistan's politicians and bureaucrats earn brownie points if they play to these two galleries. Qureshi's antics were largely for a domestic audience he felt needed appeasing. But Pakistan also believes it can exploit India's social fissures.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Jul 2010 06:30

From the same issue of Hindustan Times

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 19 Jul 2010 06:38

This is the Idea Exchange talk with the Home Secretary

G K Pillai took over as Home Secretary in difficult times, months after the Mumbai attacks. He has had his hands full ever since: following the 26/11 trail to Pakistan, dealing with Naxal attacks and monitoring the situation in J&K. In this Idea Exchange moderated by Ritu Sarin, Editor, Investigations, Pillai speaks about Headley’s ‘Bombay Project’ and the ‘Naxal-activists’ link.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Jul 2010 06:43

One positive thing we can say after this round is the Pillai test.

Anyone who thinks he spoke out of turn is sure on Qureshi's side!

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 19 Jul 2010 06:52

Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was famous for using four-letter words when he spoke to an Indian across a negotiating table. His daughter Benazir Bhutto's unparliamentary language when she talked of the then Prime Minister Narasimha Rao still rankles with Indian diplomats.

PVNR Vs. Benazir - This was a classic even for those who are not in diplomatic circles. During that time, I spoke to couple of jawans of Punjab regiment while travelling from Delhi to Mumbai. The informal comment is "old man who lost half of his teeth gave a mooh-thod jawab to !@#!@$! ". This is not yet cell-phone/accessable internet age. I was surprised to see how our jawans keep up to date with the current affairs. Regarding TSP they definitely watch and read any news.

From that informal chat, I am convinced that as far as TSP is concerned whatever our leaders and babus do, it has direct impact on the psyche and morale of the jawans. From that aspect, irrespective of hawk Vs dove or coordinated effort, the jawans will love Mr.Pillai in this round.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 19 Jul 2010 06:58

Couple of RAPEttes getting their nails done.

LINK

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Much of Pakistan’s capital city looks like a rich Los Angeles suburb. Shiny sport utility vehicles purr down gated driveways. Elegant multistory homes are tended by servants. Laundry is never hung out to dry.

“This is a system of the elite, by the elite and for the elite,” said Riyaz Hussain Naqvi, a retired government official who worked in tax collection for 38 years. “It is a skewed system in which the poor man subsidizes the rich man.”
The problem starts at the top. The average worth of Pakistani members of Parliament is $900,000, with its richest member topping $37 million, according to a December study by the Pakistan Institute of Legislative Development and Transparency in Islamabad.

While Pakistan’s income from taxes last year was the lowest in the country’s history, according to Zafar ul-Majeed, a senior official in the Federal Board of Revenue, the assets of members of Parliament have nearly doubled, the institute study found.

The country’s top opposition leader, Nawaz Sharif, reported that he paid no personal income tax for three years ending in 2007 in public documents he filed with Pakistan’s election commission. A spokesman for Mr. Sharif, an industrialist who is widely believed to be a millionaire, said he had been in exile and had turned over positions in his companies to relatives.

Then there are the tax-free goods supposedly meant for Afghanistan. Mr. Zaidi said much stayed in Pakistan illegally, including 50,000 tons of black tea that were imported last year. Afghans drink green tea.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 19 Jul 2010 07:01

IS BRF got hacked????

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Jul 2010 07:02

The fact that Qureshi does a public drama for a domestic audience was clear from the way he behaved with Hilary and this only adds to that.

The Pakistani army, whom Qureshi speaks for - has to suck up to the US and has to have India as an enemy. Doing anything different will finish them off.

About Pakistan and Indian Jawans morale - I think the Indian armed forces have not been too stressed by Pakistan for years now. Saying that they feel happy when a politico trashes Pakistan is a case of handing Pakis and equal equal on the platter.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Jul 2010 07:03

ajit_tr wrote:IS BRF got hacked????

Not BRF. The BR news section - by your brothers. Check their language.

arun · Post by **arun** » 19 Jul 2010 07:04

chaanakya wrote:Blasting welcome to madam Clinton

One dead, 18 injured in Sargodha Imam Bargah blast

In the Islamic Republic of Pakistan being an adherent of the dominant religion Islam, grants no immunity from being killed by fellow Muslim’s on religious grounds.

Meanwhile the death toll in this demonstration of the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan at Sargodha in the Punjab Province targeting the minority Shia Muslim sect has climbed to 4:

4 killed, 26 injured in mosque blast in Sargodha, Pakistan

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 19 Jul 2010 07:19

shiv wrote:
ajit_tr wrote:IS BRF got hacked????
Not BRF. The BR news section - by your brothers. Check their language.

Silver-lining is that guys are not illiterate if molded properly their talent can be used for the betterment of the SA community.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 19 Jul 2010 07:23

ajit_tr wrote: Silver-lining is that guys are not illiterate if molded properly their talent can be used for the betterment of the SA community.

Absolutely. It may take some 1000 years to mould. We also need to find techincal experts who have succeeded in moulding the dog's tails and bring them to forefront to mould them. Good luck dude.. Sorry we don't have either patience or interest. I only want a big and huge coleteral damage inside the pure land. I want it a 1000 times.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 19 Jul 2010 07:25

ajit_tr wrote:Silver-lining is that guys are not illiterate if molded properly their talent can be used for the betterment of the SA community.

Not our problem. India should focus on illiterate Indians first.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Jul 2010 07:30

ajit_tr wrote:
shiv wrote: Not BRF. The BR news section - by your brothers. Check their language.
Silver-lining is that guys are not illiterate if molded properly their talent can be used for the betterment of the SA community.

Why is this guy, who is defending Pakistani hackers even here?

Did you see the language of that hacker? It's a pity I did not do a screen grab of that hacked news page. One of them was "Shiva's dick in space" Would you or would you not ban me if I supported the right of someone to call a Prophet a pedophile and said he needs molding to help "SA"

Or do I now have licence to push the envelope?

I think this man is harmful to peace on BRF. He is no dumbass. It is we who are the dumbasses. He takes his time to put his finger up BRF backside and I am now squirming. Thanks to track pee diplomacy on BRF.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 19 Jul 2010 07:34

pgbhat wrote:
ajit_tr wrote:Silver-lining is that guys are not illiterate if molded properly their talent can be used for the betterment of the SA community.
Not our problem. India should focus on illiterate Indians first.

India has capacity to focus on whole SA community.If indian focus in whole SA can be its stepping stone into the bigger stakes at the world stage.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 19 Jul 2010 07:37

ramana wrote:One positive thing we can say after this round is the Pillai test.

Anyone who thinks he spoke out of turn is sure on Qureshi's side!

The pakis seem paranoid when someone uses the very same tactics as they do?

Do they think that they have patented the technique?

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 19 Jul 2010 07:37

ajit_tr wrote:India has capacity to focus on whole SA community.If indian focus in whole SA can be its stepping stone into the bigger stakes at the world stage.

Nope I give rats musharraf about "world stage", I want India to focus onlee on Indians.