Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 09, 2010

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 18 Aug 2010 08:21

^^^

It is an opportunity to be RAW and also be on BR.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 18 Aug 2010 08:24

Muppalluddin garu why send real docs, we can send some of our "certificate only" doctors to paikhasatan

Mauli · Post by **Mauli** » 18 Aug 2010 08:32

uppalluddin garu why send real docs, we can send some of our "certificate only" doctors to paikhasatan

There is one "Jhola Chap" in my village. He kills minimum 2-3 people every year. He gets thrashed at least once every year by the relatives of the deceased ones.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 18 Aug 2010 08:35

suryag garu,
absolutely. Pak lurkers should note the point. Along with India's help and aid comes the risk of RAW collecting a lot of knowledge of interior Pakistan. The raw-docs are coming and they are 400 (by the way 400% is what Mushy uses) in number.

In fact Pakistan is in a catch 22 situation. if they reject India's aid their marketing (begging) strategy will have a negative effect in the rest of the world. Otherwise they are inviting raa.

niran · Post by **niran** » 18 Aug 2010 08:37

400 Hakeems! and i thought India was suffering from acute shortage of Hakeems.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 18 Aug 2010 08:46

niran wrote:400 Hakeems! and i thought India was suffering from acute shortage of Hakeems.

Balls. Don't believe that Packee report. It just shows the power of propagandu that is instilled in us as school children. We are told "read the newspapers, don't read trash" Nobody tells us when the papers write trash or propaganda. Where will Pakis organise 400 Indian doctors from? Does anyone seriously think the GoI can pull out 400 docs from government service and send them to Pakistan? Or that doctors in private practice will drop their practice and run to Pakistan as many did when the Bhuj earthquake hit? And do you think Paqustan will let them in just like that? Without visas and without accusing them of being RAA agints?

Come on folks. Get real That is a Paki newspaper reporting a Paki saying that 400 docs are going. It is guaranteed bullshit - like Karachi's MagLev. The same guy will blame India for preventing those docs from going and score brownies in Pakiland saying ho kafirs are bad and break promises.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 18 Aug 2010 08:59

Pakistan asks India to block ‘fake’ kabaddi team’s visit

Sarwar, when asked to comment over the development, told Dawn: “We have learnt through a news item appeared in local press and after a probe initiated by the PKF, it was revealed that around 20 local amateur players will be travelling to India and appear in 15 kabaddi matches.”

He said the Pakistani citizens in guise of players were supposed to travel to Himachal Pardesh, Haryana, New Delhi and few other cities.

Answering a question, he said: “We have informed the Pakistan Sports Board and requested them to convey their concerns to the Foreign Ministry and the departments concerned.”

Sarwar claimed that if the immature kabaddi players were allowed to travel to India it would have a negative impact on the registered sports bodies.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 18 Aug 2010 09:00

If I was a cartoonist, I would draw an accompaniment to Prof. Walter Russell Mead's article as follows:

The last bubbles of breath coming from a hapless, emaciated, nearly naked mango abdul, deep in the water, drowning, with a boat anchor and an anvil chained to his legs, one titled "Army" and the other titled "Feudals".

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Aug 2010 09:14

I think India has to be ready for a stream of flood victims/refugees crossing the border in a couple of months time. The TSPA has failed the state.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 18 Aug 2010 09:21

Tweet from BrookingsFP FWIW:

Stephen Cohen discusses the challenges posed by Pakistan's recent floods on U.S. policy in South Asia. http://brookin.gs/V04a

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Aug 2010 09:28

The Pakistani Cricket team for the 3rd Test could be purely a Punjabi team

At last, Pakjabis have achieved a notable milestone in the progress towards disintegration of rump Pakistan.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 18 Aug 2010 10:20

Islamic nations snub UN plea to help flood victims

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 18 Aug 2010 10:35

ramana wrote:I think India has to be ready for a stream of flood victims/refugees crossing the border in a couple of months time. The TSPA has failed the state.

hope ordinance factories are working three shifts

Sudip · Post by **Sudip** » 18 Aug 2010 10:42

live donor countries list by IBM

If they accepted our offer we would have been the 7th largest donor country (and the largest with less than 12,000 pakistani diaspora), higher than any of their all weather allies. Add in the hourly salaries of the 400 hakims and other trinkets that would take us to top 3 and they still cant see the light.

rahuls · Post by **rahuls** » 18 Aug 2010 10:48

Sanjay M wrote:Islamic nations snub UN plea to help flood victims

I suspected western countries wouldn't give much money, but I am surprised why islamic countries aren't much helpful, especially the gulf countries with oil revenues. And whats with cheena, a paltry $1.5 m ? Any theories for such apathy towards fellow ummah birathers and tallel than evelest fliends?

RajeshG · Post by **RajeshG** » 18 Aug 2010 10:57

Looking for something else ran into this

http://www.pide.org.pk/pdf/PDR/1997/Volume4/791-808.pdf

This paper mentions another paper Oren, Ido (1994) The Indo-Pakistani Arms Competition: A Deductive and Statistical Analysis. The Journal of Conflict Resolution June. Is this available somewhere ? TIA

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 18 Aug 2010 11:00

A_Gupta wrote:If I was a cartoonist, I would draw an accompaniment to Prof. Walter Russell Mead's article as follows:

The last bubbles of breath coming from a hapless, emaciated, nearly naked mango abdul, deep in the water, drowning, with a boat anchor and an anvil chained to his legs, one titled "Army" and the other titled "Feudals".

Another cartoon suggestion - 'rage boy' abdul, gnashing teeth, torn pyjamas, "Death to YYY" sign tucked under arm, grenade tucked in belt, Begging bowl ini one, AK-47 in other hand...

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 18 Aug 2010 11:01

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ze5fEiYWTsw

AHMADIYYA - FLOODS IN PAKISTAN 2010 - WRATH OF ALLAH -

How it is all coming back

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 18 Aug 2010 11:07

saip wrote:It was sugar before and now potato(e)s! They dont need eat grass anymore. They can eat sugary potatos.

India-imported potatoes to be auctioned today

http://thenews.com.pk/latest-news/205.htm

Please post full news, newspk wont show me the news

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 18 Aug 2010 11:08

a pic speaks a thousand words...

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... hammad-880

the sight of abdul forgetting his jehad and hatred struggling to find his village walking like monkey on rail track is something we have to keep for long time...

With so much rain you would expect temperature to cool down...look like varun + surya have joined this evil yindoo conspiracy...

With temperatures soaring to almost 50degrees Celsius, a large number of displaced people living in the open suffered from sunstroke.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 18 Aug 2010 11:11

Taller mountain is not sleeping...he is teaching valuable techniques to Pakis...

Fake relief camp again...

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 18 Aug 2010 11:19

About Prof.Mead's blog,although i agree with most of his understanding about Pakistan and Pakis,i strongly disagree with his statement about India being hostile and aggressive towards Pakistanis.Aggressive and hostile in what? Throwing at them tons of high-bond paper in the form of endless array of dossiers?

rajpa · Post by **rajpa** » 18 Aug 2010 11:55

Ambar wrote:About Prof.Mead's blog,although i agree with most of his understanding about Pakistan and Pakis,i strongly disagree with his statement about India being hostile and aggressive towards Pakistanis.Aggressive and hostile in what? Throwing at them tons of high-bond paper in the form of endless array of dossiers?

i agree. appears like some poak was asked to proofread parts of his blogpost.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 18 Aug 2010 12:06

Pakistan: A Trade Deal to Help Rebuild

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/18/opinion/18wed2.html

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 18 Aug 2010 12:20

The floods and Pakistan’s future

Some have speculated that these floods will be a critical event in Pakistan’s political history. Like the 1970 Cyclone, which turned many East Pakistanis against the military-dominated government, this wave of floods could trigger massive resentment against the present regime of Asif Ali Zardari, who notably was visiting family properties in Britain and France as the floods hit. A dramatic change in leadership is still possible, but as a recent Brookings study of Pakistan found, this is a country that has both considerable resiliency, and is under pressure from so many directions that it is very hard to predict its future over the next few weeks, let alone the next few months. Pakistan is under attack from at least two insurgencies (Balochistan and Waziristan), the state has lost control over huge tracts of territory, sectarian discord is growing in the major cities, suicide attacks against the very core elements of the state are growing, and, as far as its army is concerned, India remains the chief military threat.

Sudip · Post by **Sudip** » 18 Aug 2010 12:24

Acharya wrote:The floods and Pakistan’s future

Some have speculated that these floods will be a critical event in Pakistan’s political history. Like the 1970 Cyclone, which turned many East Pakistanis against the military-dominated government, this wave of floods could trigger massive resentment against the present regime of Asif Ali Zardari, who notably was visiting family properties in Britain and France as the floods hit. A dramatic change in leadership is still possible, but as a recent Brookings study of Pakistan found, this is a country that has both considerable resiliency, and is under pressure from so many directions that it is very hard to predict its future over the next few weeks, let alone the next few months. Pakistan is under attack from at least two insurgencies (Balochistan and Waziristan), the state has lost control over huge tracts of territory, sectarian discord is growing in the major cities, suicide attacks against the very core elements of the state are growing, and, as far as its army is concerned, India remains the chief military threat.

We should start a new thread:- the pakistani refugee crisis and preventing its future spillover/reverse-migration to india

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 18 Aug 2010 12:52

SSridhar wrote:The Pakistani Cricket team for the 3rd Test could be purely a Punjabi team

At last, Pakjabis have achieved a notable milestone in the progress towards disintegration of rump Pakistan.

Read this too: There's more to Pakistan than Punjab and Karachi
http://www.cricinfo.com/magazine/conten ... 72508.html

But consider the second point, of far graver concern. The great conceit of the two great cities is to act as if nothing exists beyond them, that the roughly 150 million people outside don't matter.

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 18 Aug 2010 13:17

When the nation drowns, the PM`s wife gets loan waiver?

We in India are very thankful to Mrs.Fauzia Gilani, for her strenuous efforts (shopping till u drop at the Harrods) , and thereby helping us destroy our enemy Pakistan. In due regard of your efforts you are herewith invited to India. Mr. kishore biyani of Future group, wants to appoint you as a consultant here. Our sympathies are with you, shopaholism is indeed the only way to sooth your frayed nerves. Being a Gropers wife, is really depressing.

"According to the document and media reports, two firms of Mrs Gilani obtained two separate loans of Rs200 million from ZTBL. The loan amount with interest surged to Rs570 million because of default on payment for over a decade. However, she got the case settled by giving only Rs45.521 million."

http://www.thestatesmen.net/news/pm%E2% ... itten-off/.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 18 Aug 2010 13:29

Mead's article posted by JJ is spot on.

To most informed American observers, this is a country committing national suicide and these statistics show an elite concerned to pillage and loot rather than to teach and to serve. Americans look at this astonishing situation as a failure of political and social culture so profound, so immense, that it is hard to see how anybody or anything can help unless Pakistan can summon up the will to make some wrenching changes.

As someone posted,it is as if Allah has sent this flood of Biblical proportions to "cleanse" Pak,at least cleansing the cobwebbed minds of its elite and ruling clique.But will the Pakis revert back after the crisis to their old well-trodden deviant ways? This appears to be the grave doubt in the minds of the global community,which is why they are so lethargic at alleviating the suffering of Pak.This is a heaven sent opportunity for the global community/UN/aid donors to now demand a price for saving the sinking ship.The price should include the foll:

1.Handing over AQK and other Paki scientists also responsible for trial for N-proliferation.
2.Handing over the accused responsible for 26/11 and other terrorists enjoying Paki protection like Dawood,etc..
3.Closing down of all terrorist entities in Pak and banning them ,with on-the-spot verification by an international team.
4.Freezing Pak's nuclear weapons and ballistic missile production.International inspections of all Paki Nuclear and missile production plants.
5.Reduction in the Paki defence budget by 50%.
6.All aid given to Pak to be administered by an international team of administrators.
7.The Paki military to return to barracks and give up heading all civilian and non-military institutions.
8.Freezing building of military bases on Paki soil for foreign powers like China's Gwadar naval base.
9.Pak to sever all links with the Afghan Taliban and any Pakis found doing so to face trial as war criminals.Paki warmongers like Gen.Bandicoot to also face trial for their crimes.

To achieve this,the Paki govt. must hand over the reins of government to a UN force for a few years ,during which time all political activity will be banned,after which time genuine UN monitored elections will be held.If Pak refuses,then let it drown.

PS: I liked that quote that the Paki military still finds India its chief threat when the floods are drowning the nation!

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 18 Aug 2010 13:32

arunabh wrote:
If they accepted our offer we would have been the 7th largest donor country (and the largest with less than 12,000 pakistani diaspora), higher than any of their all weather allies. Add in the hourly salaries of the 400 hakims and other trinkets that would take us to top 3 and they still cant see the light.

These are also the largest donor countries for military and grants before

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Aug 2010 13:39

Philip wrote: . . .But will the Pakis revert back after the crisis to their old well-trodden deviant ways? This appears to be the grave doubt in the minds of the global community,which is why they are so lethargic at alleviating the suffering of Pak.This is a heaven sent opportunity for the global community/UN/aid donors to now demand a price

Absolutely.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 18 Aug 2010 14:34

500 flood survivors from Ahmadiya community denied shelter, relief goods

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 18 Aug 2010 14:48

I watched this story on CNN-IBN (originally CNN internationals story) in which the correspondent is embedded with pak "marines" on a hovercraft going to an inundated area distributing "aid" and "rescuing" people(may be the whole thing was staged but anyway).
They reach a group of people about 100 in number (mostly SRDE with a greater no. of wimmen, kids and old folk as I recall, though I dint get the name of the place) seemingly stranded on a very small island(maybe a 100 feet across ) with not even a sliver of land anywhere else in sight. Then the "marines" go on to distribute the relief material which consists of a handful water bottles and a few packets of food stuff. Here is the interesting part, when they offer to take them (to some sort of relief camp i suppose) they refuse to leave replying that "if we leave then people from neighboring villages will take over(kabza) our land". And remember the people saying this are standing on a small island with most of there land in multiple feet of water. The nonchalance way in which the paki officer translates this to the correspondent makes an impression of this being completely normal or reasonable and of course the correspondent parrots the same to the viewers .
Are most paki farmers or villagers squatters? I found this most bizarre.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 18 Aug 2010 14:54

^^^ Shows how pathetic the trust of mango abdul is towards law of state. He is willing to die, but not move out of the land temporarily to save his life. "leaving" the land means relinquishing the land.. How much more tribal can a system be which force abduls to behave this way.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 18 Aug 2010 15:30

There were some reports of Pakis refusing to leave their "land and homes" as "armed gangs" were stealing and looting their belongings left behind! This speaks volumes for the humanity of some Pakis,the equivalent to stealing from a blind man.Anarchy seems to be prevailing and I seriously wonder what authority the already weakened Paki army-after the Red Mosque affair,etc.,will have once the crisis eases.

PS:Has there been any study of what Paki military bases,airfields,etc,have been affected by the floods? The Russians admitted that theri secret nuclear centre was in grave danger from their forest fires.

PPS:Hari,the looters were making merry with those Paki who were being evacuated before the flood aters reached their dwellings/villages,hence they were refusing to leave in many instances.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 18 Aug 2010 15:36

^^^ I found it very weird that submerged land could be encroached and stolen only. Only in the land of the poor, err, pure.

Its time Yindia exported the talents of the likes of kobad ghandy, kishenG, the late Azad and party to TSP to spread the noble message of maoistm , marxism and etc there.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 18 Aug 2010 16:44

Pakistani bashing Manmohan Singh
http://www.razarumi.com/2010/08/18/manm ... ignorance/

Manmohan Singh whom I have always held in high regard, disappointed millions in South Asia with his distastefully ill-timed hard talk during his Independence day address. As if Pakistan’s current misery was a time to blow India’s trumpet.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 18 Aug 2010 16:50

Kunwar Idris on saving Pakistan from itself
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... itself-580

The saddest of all thoughts however is that the donors are being cagey or wary not because they do not realise the gravity and scale of the problem. It is Pakistan’s reputation for corruption and mismanagement that holds them back. And there we are stuck.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 18 Aug 2010 16:51

Suppiah wrote:a pic speaks a thousand words...

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... hammad-880

the sight of abdul forgetting his jehad and hatred struggling to find his village walking like monkey on rail track is something we have to keep for long time...

With so much rain you would expect temperature to cool down...look like varun + surya have joined this evil yindoo conspiracy...

With temperatures soaring to almost 50degrees Celsius, a large number of displaced people living in the open suffered from sunstroke.

Looks like its Amerrkhan's djinn technology which is to blame,
http://www.daily.pk/is-the-cia-playing- ... tan-19785/

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 18 Aug 2010 17:09

BLAME THE FLOODS ON INDIA, PROJECT BY ISI, BEGINS?
our dear friend at dail mail.pk is at it. Zaid rabid Hamid has also said the same. Indian water wars.
Now see the manipulation happening.

http://dailymailnews.com/0810/18/Editor ... torial.php

"It has been brought about that the Sarobi Dam on the River Kabul close to the Pak-Afghan border, is being maintained by India

. The sudden flow of water in the River Kabul could have only occurred if Afghanistan had been hit by the same level of torrential rains as Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. However, meteorological data indicates that neither was there unprecedented rainfall in Afghanistan this summer, nor any glacial melting contributing to the flooding in River Kabul. That leaves only one option available, that the flood gates of Sarobi Dam were deliberately opened to cause extreme flooding in River Kabul bringing devastation in the Pakistani province of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa but none in Afghanistan. Simultaneously, carefully synchronizing the Kabul River’s flooding, the over a dozen dams built by India in Indian occupied Kashmir, release their water, flooding Chenab and Indus, causing maximum damage in Punjab and Sindh"

CAN WE GET SOME INFO ON THE EDITOR MAKTHOOM BABAR?