Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 09, 2010

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 19 Aug 2010 08:03

The flood in Pakistan and U.S. strategy

http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/201 ... s_strategy

Some WKK-ism.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 19 Aug 2010 08:07

Excuse me if I'm wrong, but in most cases pertaining to natural disasters, international new reports generally focus on destruction, reconstruction efforts, tales of survivors etc. But in Pakistan floods case, most news reports focus on flow of aid (or lack of it) and how Paki terrorism is playing a part . Is it because of my news sources limited to this forum only ?

BajKhedawal · Post by **BajKhedawal** » 19 Aug 2010 08:13

Did anyone hear the press briefing today on C-Span with Assistant Secretary Philip J Crowley? One paki journalist made an absurdly outlandish statement that everyone in Pakistan knows that all current floods in pak are caused by India and USA. Crowley was so amused that he simply laughed off that journo’s next question in a very obscene manner. (I was so tickled that I couldn’t stop laughing all the way drive back home, it was hilarious)

Man, this papi’s are so demented! Don’t they even vet who they send off to such briefings?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 19 Aug 2010 08:14

abhishek_sharma wrote:The flood in Pakistan and U.S. strategy

http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/201 ... s_strategy

This guy brings in India into every thing
[EDIT : this is a comment from someone claiming to be from lalqila.wordpress.com, not the article]
Check this guy

Climate Change and Noah's Floods are now our constant partners
Firstly, these strong monsoon rains are a direct result of Climate Change / Global Warming. These strong monsoons are affecting a very large area from Pakistan through India, China and all the way to Korea with torrential rains, mud slides and Noah's Floods.

Climate Change is now our constant partner, so will these torrential rains, mud slides and Noah's Floods.

This strong weather system has affected Pakistan this year but it is bound to affect India and Bangladesh in the next year or two, again and again, and will wash away all the investments Americans have made in India. To be forewarned is to be forearmed.

Secondly, no half measures or pittance in aid will control the problem. We need real civil and environmental engineers to suggest large scale ways to control and manage this new menace to construct anew in over-populated and very poor Pakistan, India and Bangladesh etc. And these may include re-building villages on higher ground, dredging of rivers and canals, building more dams and water catches and innovative ideas like building a space shield over the Tibetan plateau from heating up too much and thus drawing too much moisture laden air from the Indian Ocean.

Third, none of these poor Asian countries can manage disasters of such large scale brought about by Climate Change which is a direct result of West’s over industrialization and is the primary cause of Climate Change. The UN or some other body has to be built with adequate number helicopters, airboats, blimps, cargo planes that can be brought into action on short notice.

20 million people are affected in Pakistan alone in an area the size of Italy or England. Next year 200 million people will be affected in India and these disasters are going to continue to unfold again and again for the foreseeable future.

Fourth, the 20 million have lost their houses, their crops and their entire livelihoods. They are hungry, they are thirsty and they are angry. A French revolution is brewing in Pakistan. The miniscule 1% middleclass of Pakistan may have to migrate en masse if the great unwashed reach the cities of the rich.

Are there any statesmen, with clarity of thought, left in this world?

lalqila.wordpress.com

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 19 Aug 2010 09:23

^^^ This has to go into the psy-ops and media watch thread as well. Classic psy-ops onlee. How can he say with so much certainty that 200 million will be affected?

sum · Post by **sum** » 19 Aug 2010 09:25

BajKhedawal wrote:Did anyone hear the press briefing today on C-Span with Assistant Secretary Philip J Crowley? One paki journalist made an absurdly outlandish statement that everyone in Pakistan knows that all current floods in pak are caused by India and USA. Crowley was so amused that he simply laughed off that journo’s next question in a very obscene manner. (I was so tickled that I couldn’t stop laughing all the way drive back home, it was hilarious)

Man, this papi’s are so demented! Don’t they even vet who they send off to such briefings?

It good if Pakis of all hues show their true IQ and Pakistaniyat in public so that people aren't fooled by the usual Taqqiyya that they( Poaks) are masters in...

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Aug 2010 09:37

Rahul Shukla wrote:103 photos of flooding in Pakistan: MSNBC

Most of the photos are of human interest angle. and show the rescue efforts. Not many pics of the destruction. Looks like NWFP is cut-off from the rest of Pakjab. How come Hakimullah etc are not taking advantage?

niran · Post by **niran** » 19 Aug 2010 09:40

Here is a time line of events since floods hit Pakistan on July 29

D1_ July 29: Flash floods and landslides caused by monsoon rains hit northwestern Pakistan and POK.( the monsoon not Dam water)

D5_ August 2: The UN says that nearly 980,000 people have been left homeless or have been displaced.
D6_ The Red Cross appeals for aid.

D7_ August 4: Pakistan's Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani calls on his administration to speed up the delivery of aid. There is a growing backlash against the civilian government and President Asif Ali Zardari over failures to provide food, water and sanitation to the victims.

D9_ August 6: Pakistan declares a red alert as the flooding worsens, reaching the south and leading to the evacuation of half a million people.
The floods have affected 12 million people in Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa provinces, the national disaster management agency says.

D10_ August 7: Flooding in the south, notably in the densely populated province of Sindh, brings to 15 million the number affected across the country according to the local authorities.

D11_ August 8: Landslides in Gilgit-Baltistan province in the far north.
Gilani visits flood-hit areas of Sindh province.

D12_ August 9: Around 13.8 million people have been affected by the floods in Pakistan, making the scale of the disaster worse than the 2004 tsunami, and the 2010 Haiti earthquake, a UN official says. (scare mongering )

D13_ August 10: Six million people need humanitarian aid in order to survive, according to the UN.(13.8-6=7.8, what happened to the 7.8 million from the previous day announcement. Madarssa math by UN perhaps)

D14_ August 11: The UN appeals for 460 million dollars in emergency aid.
The United States triples the number of helicopters helping Pakistan's flood relief effort.

D16_ August 13: Aid agencies warn of a potential "second wave'' of deaths due to disease.

D17_ August 14: Gilani says 20 million people have been affected and the floods have destroyed standing crops and food stores worth billions of dollars.(so who is lying, UN or Gilli? my guess both)
President Zardari makes his second visit to affected regions, after being heavily criticised for his absence.

D18_ August 15: UN chief Ban Ki-moon pledges to speed up international during a visit to Pakistan.

D19_ August 16: The United Nations warns that up to 3.5 million children are at risk from water-borne diseases.(What about wimmens? i do not see even their photos among the various photo essays)
The World Bank says it has agreed to provide a 900-million-dollar loan to Pakistan.

D20_ August 17: A senior World Health Organization official declares that the death toll is much higher than the 1,400 reported by the government. (of course it is, but who counts poor laborers, ahmadiyas, yindus, Sikh, Xtian? eh? BTW who will not die after 20 days of starving?)

D21_ August 18: The European Union nearly doubles its aid to Pakistan to 90 million dollars as those affected continue to criticize their government.

vina · Post by **vina** » 19 Aug 2010 09:41

abhishek_sharma wrote:A Lifetime, Washed Away
By Daniyal Mueenuddin

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/19/opini ... uddin.html

Dainayl Mueenuddin a "Mango Farmer"

who writes books and Op-Ed in NYTimes, Drives in his hotshot SUV to cast his lordship's eyes over the unfortunate peasants crowded onto a levee to escape floods, the lordship who hunted for partridges as a young man!.

It looks like a RAPE, it quacks like a RAPE, IT IS A RAPE. Of course, the kind readers in NYT will never ever ask about the role of the feudal RAPES like Daniyal Moieenuddin about the role of his ilk in getting Pakistan to the state it is, the near slave like conditions of the peasantry, the careful fanning of the flames of hate and extremism, the total and absolute corruption , not to mention fail to ask, why such hotshots like him NEVER pay taxes.

And of course, the huge sense of entitlement and shameless begging that follows. Give me money or we will become "more exteremist". Give us money, because it is the "world's" problem. The "world" would be better placed if they rid the Pakistani society of perpetual parasites like the RAPE ilk and liberate the peasantry. What Pakistan needs is a peasant/Maoist rebellion that will change the society for good.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Aug 2010 10:32

Now, fear of water-borne diseases - Anita Joshua, The Hindu

cholera cases in the Swat Valley that has been cut-off from the country because all the bridges have been washed away.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Aug 2010 10:34

Pakistan to fight terrorism jointly with Afghanistan, Tajikistan and Russia

The four countries will intensify joint efforts in combating terrorism and narcotics in the framework of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) and the Collective Security Treaty Organisation (CSTO)

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 19 Aug 2010 11:04

I have a question here - see the pic here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38488205/fr ... ginSlide=1. This is in NW Pakistan. How can a hilly region get flooded? Where has the water (in the pic) come from? It clearly looks like a pretty steep gradient - as if that market/place is in the river path?

Now, as some one from the hills, I know that rivers flow through channel/path cut into the mountain and population/residential areas are generally at a heigh vis a vis this channel. Unless, something like an artificial dam burst or cloudburst happens (and you can huge amount of water released in short span of time), rivers cannot simply enter the town. Yes, developments along the banks may be swept away - but not the whole goddam town. Have these retards played with the course of river(s) in these NW Areas - which is river is now claiming back?

PS: The way Paki mango abduls are behaving around the food/aid convoys, it reminds me of the scenes from African Continent.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 19 Aug 2010 11:05

Another myth in the making for future (Just like Djinnah wanted pakistan to be a secular republic)

Almost whole of Pakistan went under water during floods of 2010

In fact I want to compile a list of all the myths that are associated with TSP.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 19 Aug 2010 11:25

Almost whole of Pakistan went under water during floods of 2010

This is true. Check this

Sudip · Post by **Sudip** » 19 Aug 2010 11:30

Asian Development Bank to help Pakistan with $2 bln

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 19 Aug 2010 12:00

Klaus wrote:^^^ This has to go into the psy-ops and media watch thread as well. Classic psy-ops onlee. How can he say with so much certainty that 200 million will be affected?

stupid infidel, he is the one that forewarned noah. of course he knows.

never mind acharya ji's misleading post though, this is a comment to that article by lalqila.something which is AFAIK another outlet for that moeen dude's rupeenews, not from the article itself.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 19 Aug 2010 12:01

The pics are really funny...good job MSN. For a change these barbaric animals are busy protecting themselves and not blowing up others.

Come what may TSP RAPEs cannot claim they are 10 for 1 and far superior to India for a while now..

GOI should issue daily statements warning aiding nations to supply purely humanitarian materials and that too direct to Abduls so that Pakbarian govt does not spend them on terror.

US marines forced to 'rescue' these terrorists must be laughing to death at the sight, especially if any of their comrades in Afghan had been killed by terrorists paid and armed by TSPA/ISI and cheered on by Abduls.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 19 Aug 2010 12:06

Guys should we have a caption contest on the 103 pics from MSN...

#36 look at the size of the lotas these terrorists bring to beg for food - and they are supposed to be fasting...

R Vaidya · Post by **R Vaidya** » 19 Aug 2010 12:43

http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 581988.ece

Pakistan not in Obama’s itinerary to Asia: White House

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 19 Aug 2010 12:43

Floods are a blessing and Pakistan will become a fisheries superpower

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Aug 2010 13:04

R Vaidya wrote:http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 581988.ece

Pakistan not in Obama’s itinerary to Asia: White House

IIRC, it was the same case when Clinton came for a 5-day visit to India and ended up with a 5-hour visit to the Land of the Purest where he refused photo-ops and addressed the nation from Chaklala Airbase.

Obama might be tempted to have a short un-announced trip from New Delhi to humour the H&D. Clinton and Bush's visit later were marked by extraordinary security precautions. Rather than Airforce One, it was an unmarked Gulfstream, with lights off, decoy planes etc. etc.

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 19 Aug 2010 14:06

^^^
Diplomatically it will be great relief to India as it will show FINALLY we out of the Pakistani equal equal quagmire.

But for Americans, it will tough to explain the rebuff to Abduls. I can foresee great talk show hosts taking the issue up with vengeance.

Gut feeling is, he will go there... but it will NOT be a full fledged state visit. Something lil more than Clinton guru's stop.

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 19 Aug 2010 14:10

Airavat wrote:Floods are a blessing and Pakistan will become a fisheries superpower

It will also sort out the loss of Livestock in the short term as Pakistan will now eat fish....

Who's fish and rice eating kaum now?

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 19 Aug 2010 14:11

Suppiah wrote:Guys should we have a caption contest on the 103 pics from MSN...

#36 look at the size of the lotas these terrorists bring to beg for food - and they are supposed to be fasting...

#26 : Hyderabad biryani on the house...

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 19 Aug 2010 14:16

chinese have 1.4 Trillion dollars of black money, that could rehabilitate all of pakistan flood victims http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/1 ... 81068.html future superpower china should give atleast 10% of this money to taller than mountain friend

R Vaidya · Post by **R Vaidya** » 19 Aug 2010 14:52

SSridhar wrote
"Obama might be tempted to have a short un-announced trip from New Delhi to humour the H&D. Clinton and Bush's visit later were marked by extraordinary security precautions. Rather than Airforce One, it was an unmarked Gulfstream, with lights off, decoy planes etc. etc."

I think Obama will not do the Pak trip if his India trip is before US mid term elections--given the NY mosque heat plus one in five Americans think he is Muslim [ recent PewPoll] he will keep far away from Pakistan--Reason will be not to affect flood Rehab efforts. Plus before November there could be regime change in Pak to contain local civil war and that can also be an excuse. I am sure Obama chamchas are reading comments column on pak floods in leading US /Canada News papers.

Surprises are in store for many of us BRF--ites

R Vaidya

derkonig · Post by **derkonig** » 19 Aug 2010 15:11

^^^
Prof Vaidya,
Hussain Obama will most likely visit the Packees. If he was that concerned about the public opposition to Ground Zero mosque, he would have stayed away from commenting on it. May be the rumours about him are not false. Also, IIRC, Obum had spoken in glowing terms of his vacation in Packeestan back in his college time.

derkonig · Post by **derkonig** » 19 Aug 2010 15:46

MMS continues to pander, but thankfully paki tactical brilliance saves the day for India...
http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/aug/ ... ays-no.htm

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 19 Aug 2010 15:48

for once i think this really was a chankiyan move to stick ungli into unkil's musharraf... 'see we're doing everything... but those ungrateful mlechcha's are not playing...'

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 19 Aug 2010 15:52

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RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 19 Aug 2010 15:53

derkonig wrote:MMS continues to pander, but thankfully paki tactical brilliance saves the day for India...
http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/aug/ ... ays-no.htm

Raand bhauv barha rahi hai!!! The whore wants more! MMS should wait till her boobs hang a bit!

This is how the Pakistani State asserts its strength against Hindu India - willing to play Beggar Number One and GUBO to rest of the world but depriving India of the satisfaction - Pakistan's again been victorious!

Pakistan's Agenda 2010 -
Duniya ki Raand, per Hindu ke Beyond!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Aug 2010 15:58

derkonig wrote:MMS continues to pander, but thankfully paki tactical brilliance saves the day for India...
http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/aug/ ... ays-no.htm

From the above,

In response, Pakistani Foreign Office spokesman Abdul Basit said although Pakistan appreciates India's offer, it cannot accept it in the current circumstances.

This is really funny, this 'current circumstances'. Really, how much worse should it get before 'current circumstances' would allow Pakistan to accept Indian aid ? Pakistan was probably waiting to see if more donors were contributing and more aid was coming its way. Now that there seems to be an upswing in the aid, Pakistan has, in a tactically brilliant move, decided to get two things in one go. It has proved to its own Abduls that Pakistan never begs from the Hindu kafir and it conveys a message to the US that Pakistan considers India and India alone as its enemy.

amit · Post by **amit** » 19 Aug 2010 16:10

SSridhar wrote:
derkonig wrote:MMS continues to pander, but thankfully paki tactical brilliance saves the day for India...
http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/aug/ ... ays-no.htm
From the above,
In response, Pakistani Foreign Office spokesman Abdul Basit said although Pakistan appreciates India's offer, it cannot accept it in the current circumstances.
This is really funny, this 'current circumstances'. Really, how much worse should it get before 'current circumstances' would allow Pakistan to accept Indian aid ? Pakistan was probably waiting to see if more donors were contributing and more aid was coming its way. Now that there seems to be an upswing in the aid, Pakistan has, in a tactically brilliant move, decided to get two things in one go. It has proved to its own Abduls that Pakistan never begs from the Hindu kafir and it conveys a message to the US that Pakistan considers India and India alone as its enemy.

Current circumstances could also mean that India has conveyed to the TFTAs that it will not channel the aid through the UN as demanded. Once it goes through UN then it doesn't remain "Indian aid of X amount" for news headlines purposes, one reason why the Pakis wanted it to that way.

That would tie into the US statement that Pakistan should accept India's offer of aid and also to the PMs latest message to Gillani.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Aug 2010 16:20

amit, there can be several reasons behind 'current circumstances'. I know them. I am trying to play on the 'flood situation' which is what must matter to a normal country. Let us therefore highlight how abnormal this Pakistan is.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 19 Aug 2010 16:25

interestingly, saudi is only giving $5m cash, and $100m in relief goods, wonder where they will be purchased from?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 19 Aug 2010 16:29

Lalmohan wrote:interestingly, saudi is only giving $5m cash, and $100m in relief goods, wonder where they will be purchased from?

May be India can offer the Saudis some good pricing! Of course, the "Made in India" Label can stay.

amit · Post by **amit** » 19 Aug 2010 16:30

SSridhar wrote:amit, there can be several reasons behind 'current circumstances'. I know them. I am trying to play on the 'flood situation' which is what must matter to a normal country. Let us therefore highlight how abnormal this Pakistan is.

Certainly Sridhar. My point was not to contradict what you wrote but to point out the kind of bind that the Pakis have put themselves in with the US publicly telling them they should accept the Indian offer and as if on cue MMS offers to give "more" aid.

Your point stands, this is not a normal country.

amit · Post by **amit** » 19 Aug 2010 16:33

May be India can offer the Saudis some good pricing! Of course, the "Made in India" Label ~~can~~ must stay.

Rajesh,

I'm quite certain that at some point of time India will be asked to provide material assistance which will either be purchased by the UN or India would send them directly. I just hope our babus don't again commit the mistake that they did during the earthquake of taking off all "made in India" labels.

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 19 Aug 2010 16:39

SSridhar wrote:amit, there can be several reasons behind 'current circumstances'. I know them. I am trying to play on the 'flood situation' which is what must matter to a normal country. Let us therefore highlight how abnormal this Pakistan is.

Sridhar Sir,

Could it be that Pakistan establishment is planning really really well in advance and may be they want us to save the $5m to ensure that when things go really really down to wire, we have enough to keep feeding millions of refugees at wagah?

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 19 Aug 2010 17:19

India accuses Pakistan over border firing