Neither do rants ad nauseum make a post!!!
Also Russia can no longer be held as a standard for Indian PSUs to follow. Soviet may have been.
It is rather simple. Indian GoI/IA/IAF/IN did not come to the conclusion of issuing an international tender for Russian products in the Indian inventory over night. I too have posted an article (in the armour thread) that India has started building gun barrels for the T-90 because Russia has been an unreliable source. None of these are NRao's creations. BUT, one thing is for sure, 2011 has been the "prefect storm" year for India when it comes to Russian support for Russian products.
I am not sure why simple data points are not being picked up:
* India moving to non-Russian sources for assistance (yes I have heard of not putting all the eggs in the same basket - just that India did for decades with the SOVIETS and seem to have a bad experience with the RUSSIANS)
* Russians themselves going out of the country to buy products. Yes, it is a trickle. But it is a dent in the Russian capabilities
* Russia is pouring monies into ................. Yes, I have read those reports too. BUT, for the size of Russia, I just do not see the products they need to buy, to sustain the growth, being bought (I had mentioned SUs as a comparison and someone posted that RuAF has some 200+ SUs. On further investigation I found about 30-45 being the range of what Indian MKIs are, the rest were pedestrian Su-27. I would like better research to assist me). One product I am trying to track is how many jet trainers they actually induct. My feeling is not as many as they need to
* Over a period of time the complains against Russia, in India, has ONLY increased - culminating in the international tender for spare for Russian products in Indian inventory
*Finally, PLEASE place ALL events on a timeline. IT DOES HELP. So:
1) Russian help on Arihant nuclear reactor. YES, Russia did help. PM ALSO said so, in no uncertain terms. In public. Yes, I did read that too.
BUT, when did that happen? I do not know, but I suspect somewhere around 1990-95 the help came around. It should take about 10 years for such assistance to mature. Now fast forward to 2011: India has having problem acquiring one of two Akulas and per one report (at least - I KNOW it does not make a thesis
) IN has declined to pay for the second one. So, what gives MC? I do not know about others. The only decent conclusion I can come to is that "Russia" in 2009+ is NOT the same as the Russia of 1990-95. Simple. Then, if it is not the same, what is the diff? Russia has degraded is my conclusion. It is that simple. Nothing more nothing less.
Now ask the question: can the Russians be relied
upon TODAY to provide the SAME assistance they did provide a decade ago? I think not. And this is NOT a knock on them - JUST AN OBSERVATION on my part. When they cannot supply tires for the MKI ...........
2) Some Indian PSU has started building gun barrels for the T-90, because - as the article states - Russia is not a dependable supplier. Now, THINK. For an INDIAN PSU (most of whose management should be fired!!! for being inept - granted) to make a substitute gun barrel takes TIME (chalta hai). For that PSU to make a gun barrel and supply it to the IA in 2011, I would think the thinking/effort started in 2009, if not earlier. So, my conclusion is that the Russians became a problem around 2005-2007, it took Indians about 2 years to wake up and another 2 years to make these barrels and announce what a great achievement it is
So, MC, next time please place the data point you want to post on a time line. Thx.
In a way I am very, very, very glad that the Russians are being a problem. This is a Kargil of sorts, and, as I have said many a times, India NEEDS such events for India to wake up. And, as we can see India is reacting. And, for that we have no one else to thank but the Russian friends.
Perhaps, IF it were not for the Russians India would not have bought the C-17 or the C-130s. Or the P-8I. Or ............
Perhaps, IF it were not for the Russians India would not have bought the Arjuns. Or a substitute gun barrels for the T-90. Or ..........
I collect data points and am not swayed by emotions. I have always said that India will NOT get what she wants in the FGFA. Let us see. Hope I am wrong. But I doubt that. Russia has been on a slide lately and she normally does not disappoint.
(I have a 5 hour drive. Will see ya on the other side.)