Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 2010

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby abhishek_sharma » 07 Oct 2010 09:20

From MEA's website

Official Spokesperson on General Musharraf's statement on Pak training for terrorism in J&K

October 06, 2010


In response to a question on General Musharraf's reported statement that Pakistan trained militant underground groups to fight against India in Kashmir, the official spokesperson stated that this is a widely accepted fact and General Musharraf's assertion only confirms the veracity of what we have been repeatedly saying over the years. This is precisely why India has sought a firm and abiding commitment from Pakistan that it will not allow its territory and territory under its control to be used for the aiding and abetting of terrorist activity directed against India and for providing sanctuary to such terrorist groups.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby shravan » 07 Oct 2010 10:25

Nowshehera rocket attack destroys 54 NATO supply tankers

NOWSHEHRA: More than 54 tankers and containers have been destroyed in rocket and firing attack by unknown miscreants in Khairabad area near Nowshehra.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby manish » 07 Oct 2010 10:56

The headlines are becoming pretty harsh - apologies if posted already.
WSJ: Pakistan Urges On Taliban
Members of Pakistan's spy agency are pressing Taliban field commanders to fight the U.S. and its allies in Afghanistan, some U.S. officials and Afghan militants say, a development that undercuts a key element of the Pentagon's strategy for ending the war.

The explosive accusation is the strongest yet in a series of U.S. criticisms of Pakistan, and shows a deteriorating relationship with an essential ally in the Afghan campaign. The U.S. has provided billions of dollars in military and development aid to Pakistan for its support.

Note the title says 'Pakistan' instead of the usual ISI/spy agency, although the body of the article again sticks to 'ISI prodding militants' angle - very subtle but very important shift.

So are they threatening napaks that they will shift to an ISI==Pak Army==PakiNation line wholesale?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby arun » 07 Oct 2010 11:15

^^^ The Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, via the Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI), by keeping up with its institutional motto of “Iman, Taqwa, Jihad Fi Sabilillah” exhorting the Afghan Taliban to indulge in a spot of “Jihad Fi Sabilillah” or translated “Jihad in the path of Allah” targeting US forces in Afghanistan, I see.

Will the ISI operatives indulging in the spot of Jihad Fi Sabilillah conveniently be anointed “Rogue Agents” as was the case for the Mumbai terrorist attack by the US defense and intelligence establishment?

Any way alternate report for the same story from Fox News:

Report: Pakistan Spy Agency Urging Taliban to Fight U.S.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby RajeshA » 07 Oct 2010 11:35

ramana wrote:
RajeshA wrote:^^^

Why are the threats not credible?

The threat is always there. Sometimes when the intelligence agencies notice some heightened activity and get some hints from their HUMINT or COMINT sources, they put out such public announcements.

We have seen 9/11 (NYC), 11/3 (Madrid), 7/7 (London), 26/11 (Mumbai), etc., so for what reason should one doubt these warnings?


A key differentiator/marker in all those and Mumbai was the active role of David Headley who was an American agent (who got US immunity later to prevent him from falling into Indian hands) working with and for the ISI/LET in active scoping of the targets and even selecting targets. This aspect is what made Mumbai attack so deadly. A US-ISI/LET double agent who got US protection after the attack. Why we don't know.

So when the West screams hoarse of Mumbai like attacks on itself, its just self-falgellating like a Shia dervish and fooling its own citizens.


True, there are grounds for suspicion of American hand in Mumbai due to Headley. But the work that he did for LeT can be done by any one of the millions of Islamists who live in France or Germany and know the ways of the Europeans.

Not considering the motivations and leadership of the Mumbai terrorists, technically speaking it must be feasible. The details of the terror attacks certainly became known to many groups. In fact, by now, they must have learned of better and more secure ways to communicate.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Vinod Ji » 07 Oct 2010 12:22

Food for thought :: Is what ombaba talking about defining moment of 21st century really something credible enough, to deter, Pakistan is taking a confrontational approach with west?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Philip » 07 Oct 2010 14:05

First Uncle Sam 'shafted' Pak,now Pak is 'shafting' Uncle Sam! Truly they both deserve each other.The daily destruction of NATO convoys should be met in turn by US B-52 strikes in the Taliban/jehadi heartland,plus drone strikes of any ISI centres of opportunity.I can't undertsand why Obama cannot rad Pak the riot act,cutting off all arms supplies to it,stopping all aid and placing many of the paki military persona-non-grata worldwide,fixing them with war crime/terrorist charges which would prevent them from (like Mush-a-rat) enjoying the fleshpots of the West.What you sow,you shall reap and the US invested so much in its rent-boy Pak who is now doing unto Uncle sam what was done to it.What a disloyal catamite.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Lalmohan » 07 Oct 2010 14:30

note the posters on ambar's picture... central poster manufacturing unit #420 in action once again
same font
same colours
same sizes
same messages
same author?
i can't believe that this is the new gandharva school of art style?!?!


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Hari Seldon » 07 Oct 2010 15:48

^^^Wow. Now, am starting to think that maybe, perhaps, just maybe there's a qualitative change in the pak-unkil rishta taking shape. Perhaps. Time will tell, of course and I'll certainly be watching this space.

Someone should also remind Mushyrat holed up in Londonistan that dicktators who fall out of favor with the west may end up getting prosecuted for past 'forgotten' crimes like Gen Pinochet did, eh?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby abhishek_sharma » 07 Oct 2010 16:06

Outdated stereotype
Dawn Editorial

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/editorial/outdated-stereotype-700

Clearly, extremism is an issue that is no longer confined to minds that have been rendered susceptible by poverty, or the lack of awareness and education. This aspect of the matter merits attention, because the new breed of terrorists comes not from the tribal areas but from cities, including western ones. The West must ask itself why increasing numbers of people are succumbing to extremist ideologies and quoting perceived western inequities as their motivating force. Faisal Shahzad told the court that he had acted in reaction to US military action in Muslim countries; why is this becoming an oft-repeated statement in the context of terrorism?


See, this is not the fault of Pakis! The target countries should introspect, change their behavior and not offend the Pakis!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Pratyush » 07 Oct 2010 16:20

Hari,

Interpol notice has no meaning as long as the two remain in TSP. Even Dawood Bhai has an Interpol notice on him and ij enjaing 72 grapes with the ISI.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby chetak » 07 Oct 2010 16:55

Ambar wrote:Image

A picture speaks a thousand words! Not for the first time have Poakis placed our flag upside down, and this time by the "beloved" Paki RAPEs whom our desi "aman ki aasha" crowd so adore!



Even here they cannot resist the needle!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby sbangera » 07 Oct 2010 18:10

^^ isn't flying the flag upside down means a state of crisis.
Therefore these RAPEs are sub-consciously telling us, talking to paks is never good.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Venkarl » 07 Oct 2010 18:17

its about green on top of saffron......our DDM is lobotomized to not decipher this....and btw...why isn't anyone groping that chashmawaali motorma? or is the PAKI flag blocking my view?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Lalmohan » 07 Oct 2010 18:30

left hand chacha has hand missing (in action)... you never know

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Dilbu » 07 Oct 2010 18:32

Interpol notice only has PR value. It is toothless to get things done on the ground. Just another one of our fetishes like UNSC seat.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Satya_anveshi » 07 Oct 2010 18:36

So folks, at the cost of a few tankers and public *display* of spat between US and Pak, Pak is being made to settle all scores with Taliban and other sorts of jihadis.

Increased drones strikes by US on the militants and appearance of displeasure with Pak Army are more clearly indicating the strategy being employed than any book/columns/opinions.

IMO, this is the end game and the direction, to me, is clear. Unlike what I said earlier, it is *we* we have been had.

Am I totally off here?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby sanjeevpunj » 07 Oct 2010 19:04

Satya_anveshi wrote:So folks, at the cost of a few tankers and public *display* of spat between US and Pak, Pak is being made to settle all scores with Taliban and other sorts of jihadis.

Increased drones strikes by US on the militants and appearance of displeasure with Pak Army are more clearly indicating the strategy being employed than any book/columns/opinions.

IMO, this is the end game and the direction, to me, is clear. Unlike what I said earlier, it is *we* we have been had.

Am I totally off here?
End Game? Do you mean disintegration of TSP?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby shravan » 07 Oct 2010 19:14

Karachi: 10 people injured in 2 explosions at Abdullah Shah Ghazi Shrine.


Eight people have been killed as a result of the blast. Police have cordoned off the area.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Charlie » 07 Oct 2010 19:20

Blast from the past. Pakistaniat in Australia.

4 Pakis go on a raping spree in Aussiland (2001)
The Ashfield gang rapes were a series of attacks involving indecent assault and rape of possibly as many as eighteen women which occurred in Ashfield, New South Wales, Australia in late 2001 and over a six month period in 2002. The perpetrators were a group of four Pakistani brothers and a Nepali student, while the victims were all female teenagers of varying ethnic backgrounds.

The four K brothers are the children of a Sydney general practitioner, Dr Hasan K, of Pakistani origin. They had grown up in Pakistan and had been brought to Sydney in 2000 by their doting father, who provided them with a house in Ashfield. He unsuccessfully attempted in court to provide an alibi for his sons, and was facing perjury charges at the time of his death in November 2006


And the Pakis get their ass whipped in jail
On 9 February 2007 it was reported that the two eldest brothers had been assaulted in Goulburn Correctional Centre by a gang of eight other inmates. One was taken to Canberra Hospital suffering critical head injuries.[11] Seven convicts appeared in court via videolink in March 2009 to face charges over the assault.


Ashfield Gang Rapes

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Venkarl » 07 Oct 2010 19:48

Lalmohan wrote:left hand chacha has hand missing (in action)... you never know

:lol: :lol:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Lalmohan » 07 Oct 2010 19:50

in phact lady looks like she is swatting the chachajaan's hand away from musharraf region (sharam sharam)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Anujan » 07 Oct 2010 20:13

More than 50 injured and death toll climbing in Abdullah Shah Ghazi shrine blast.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby ramana » 07 Oct 2010 20:26

Satya_anveshi wrote:So folks, at the cost of a few tankers and public *display* of spat between US and Pak, Pak is being made to settle all scores with Taliban and other sorts of jihadis.

Increased drones strikes by US on the militants and appearance of displeasure with Pak Army are more clearly indicating the strategy being employed than any book/columns/opinions.

IMO, this is the end game and the direction, to me, is clear. Unlike what I said earlier, it is *we* we have been had.

Am I totally off here?


After the US apology expect the TSPA to file damages in a Paki Court to show their legal skills. They will use the apology as a confession and get more demanding of compensation.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby arun » 07 Oct 2010 20:28

Anujan wrote:More than 50 injured and death toll climbing in Abdullah Shah Ghazi shrine blast.


For a country self-claimed to have been created to provide a safe haven for the Muslims of the Indian Sub-Continent the Islamic Republic of Pakistan has been adept at conjuring up arcane differences in the practice of Islam that results in frequent Muslim on Muslim blood letting.

Any Idea which variant of Muslim on Muslim bloodletting this act of violence is?

Sectarian Shia Muslim vs Sunni Muslim blood letting or Sub Sectarian Sunni Deobandi vs Sunni Brelvi bloodletting or some other variant of violence?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Anujan » 07 Oct 2010 20:42

^^^
Glorious purification ritual in the tradition of Rahman Baba shrine and Data Darbar.

BTW Abdullah Shah Ghazi is the "Patron Saint of Karachi", the shrine is over 1400 years old.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Gus » 07 Oct 2010 20:50

Charlie wrote:Blast from the past. Pakistaniat in Australia...The Ashfield gang rapes


I remember this case when it came out. This is an excellent example of Pakistaniyat.

from wiki

It has been alleged, and indeed claimed by the rapists themselves, that the rapes originated in the clash of Pakistani and Australian cultures, that the rapists did not understand the notion of consent, or that they saw their victims as consenting on the basis of behaviour which Pakistani girls would not engage in. The judge in their trial explicitly reprimanded their lawyer in the trial for attempting to use this argument.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Satya_anveshi » 07 Oct 2010 20:55

sanjeevpunj wrote:End Game? Do you mean disintegration of TSP?


You wish!! That may be one of the prime objectives to prevent from happening. I was implying handing off Afghanistan to Paki loving jihadis. The character assasination of Karzai should not be surprising to give a sense of TINA factor too (BTW: that theater is absolutely blank when it comes to alternative to Karzai). It has to be by design.

The one last surprise, and I am sure it will be for many, is how US is going to call the whole thing a "victory." What would be that one last maneuver that will give them that leverage? Obviously something to do with Mullah Omar and banishment of AlQ from Afghanistan and all will be hunky dory. When we see articles painting Mullah Omar as a messiah, expect that we are very close to that point.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby svenkat » 07 Oct 2010 21:05

Amirkhans are itching to hand over and make mullah omar as a messiah but it is not going to happen.There are non-pashtuns and nationalist pashtuns like Karzai and a resurgent India.Why are jingoes underestimating the wise elephant? we are tolerating the needle in the banana because US is in Afghanistan?

The US will see a charging elephant if they cross the redlines in Afghanistan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Amber G. » 07 Oct 2010 21:08

WSJ piece quoted a few times above has also been quoted in Pundita's blog:
WSJ Report: Pak ISI officers pressing Taliban field commanders to fight ISAF in Afghanistan
A Pakistan official is hotly denying the claim: "Honestly, they see ISI agents behind every bush in Afghanistan."

Of course they're not behind every bush; that's ridiculous. They're behind every tree.

As to who ratted out the ISI this time -- from the Wall Street Journal report, it seems the ISI is now making enemies right and left among its puppets:
Some Taliban commanders and U.S. officials say militant leaders are being pressured by officers from Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency not to surrender.

"The ISI wants to arrest commanders who are not obeying [ISI] orders," said a Taliban commander in Kunar province.

U.S. officials say they have heard similar reports from captured militants and those negotiating to lay down their arms.
[...]

The Taliban commander in Kunar, like others interviewed in recent days, said he remained opposed to the presence of foreign troops in Afghanistan and had no plans to stop fighting them. But "the ISI wants us to kill everyone -- policemen, soldiers, engineers, teachers, civilians -- just to intimidate people," the commander said.

He said he refused, and that the ISI had tried to arrest him. "Afghans are all brothers; tomorrow we could be sitting together in one room."
[...]
As to what the U.S.-ISAF command plans to do about the Pak military/ISI war against NATO forces in Afghanistan -- again, from the WSJ report, there's split opinion between the ostriches and those who have faced up to reality:
[T]he U.S. has generally muted its concerns about ISI cooperation, in part because senior U.S. officials remain divided on whether it is coming from rogue elements within the intelligence agency or is fully sanctioned.

Some U.S. officials say the top levels of the ISI are committed to trying to reform the agency. "It is difficult to know how much the lower levels of ISI answer to senior leadership," said a military official.

Other officials are more skeptical, saying such work couldn't go on without sanction from the ISI's top officers. "I haven't seen evidence that the ISI is not in control of all of its parts," said a senior U.S. defense official.

U.S. officials say Pakistani pressure on midlevel Taliban leaders is part of Islamabad's effort to make sure it has significant leverage in peace efforts.
There's lots more in the WSJ report Pakistan ...
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby abhushan » 07 Oct 2010 21:37

Mr Zardari insisted this week that the “victory” of his reconciliatory approach to politics was that “no one wants an undemocratic act” now. Certainly it is hard to see Pakistan’s army stepping in, even to install a new civilian government of technocrats, a favourite theory in Islamabad. But another, perhaps more accurate way of understanding the president’s comment is that he has made such a mess of running the country that nobody—not even the armed forces—wants to take it over. Except, of course, the Pakistani Taliban.

http://www.economist.com/node/17202331? ... 1&fsrc=rss

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Postby arun » 07 Oct 2010 21:45

High Commissioner of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to the UK, Wajid Shamsul Hasan, attacks the US President, Barack Obama:

Barack Obama accused of exaggerating terror threat for political gain

Pakistani diplomat launches scathing attack on White House
European intelligence claims raised terror alerts 'nonsensical'

The Guardian

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Postby arun » 07 Oct 2010 22:02

rgsrini wrote:LOL: SDRE Indian toying with TFTA Paki

Hussain lost to India’s Rajender Kumar in the final of the 55-kilogram event.

Reigning champion Kumar successfully defended his title without conceding a single point in the tournament, making it four wrestling golds for the hosts.

He dominated Hussain in a one-sided final of two sessions, winning 11-0 to roars of approval from the home crowd.
Kumar had taken just 46 seconds


Another case of an SDRE toying with a TFTA in an "martial" sport.

In the 56Kg weight class for Boxing India’s Akhil Kumar prevails with a 7-0 score.

CWG: Akhil beats Pakistan’s Qadir
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Anujan » 07 Oct 2010 22:03

^^^
To jog your memories, The honorable high commissioner is the same "Mumbai attack was planned in a ship in international waters, so Pakistan not responsible" guy. He is also "400% going to sue ECB for defaming Amir (followed by a rapid downhill ski)" guy.

Funny thing is, when a reporter asked him "Why dont you sue for Asif" his priceless reply "Asif ke bare mein to aapko pata hai....."

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby vijayk » 07 Oct 2010 23:49

arun wrote:High Commissioner of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to the UK, Wajid Shamsul Hasan, attacks the US President, Barack Obama:

Barack Obama accused of exaggerating terror threat for political gain

Pakistani diplomat launches scathing attack on White House
European intelligence claims raised terror alerts 'nonsensical'

The Guardian


The non-specific US warning, which despite its vagueness led Britain, France and other countries to raise their overseas terror alert levels, was an attempt to justify a recent escalation in US drone and helicopter attacks inside Pakistan that have "set the country on fire", said Wajid Shamsul Hasan, the high commissioner to Britain.

Hasan, a veteran diplomat who is close to Pakistan's president, suggested the Obama administration was playing politics with the terror threat before next month's mid-term congressional elections, in which the Republicans are expected to make big gains.

He also claimed President Obama was reacting to pressure to demonstrate that his Afghan war strategy and this year's troop surge, which are unpopular with the American public, were necessary.

"I will not deny the fact that there may be internal political dynamics, including the forthcoming mid-term American elections. If the Americans have definite information about terrorists and al-Qaida people, we should be provided [with] that and we could go after them ourselves," Hasan said.


Pukes really want to piss of White House and US. I think they want to use the strike and deaths of 3 soldiers for a couple of Billions and may be F-16s.

Unfortunately, the guy in the WH has no guts. He will fold and grant their wishes. I wish Regan was the President. He would have sunk in a couple of Puke ships and send them a message.

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Postby Satya_anveshi » 08 Oct 2010 00:15

There was some discussion here on Bob Woodward's book "Obama's Wars" so perhaps this post can go in that context.

Yesterday Bill Maher invited Bob Woodward to his HBO Realtime talkshow (I don't know when the show was recorded but I've seen the show yesterday):

First question from Bill (which I thought was a great one): Economy in dumps and Obama/his team don't miss an opportunity to say they inherited "Bush's economy". Even Iraq/Afghan wars were started by Bush, so why are they "Obama's Wars"?

Response: Well, he has taken over, he is commander-in-chief and so they are his wars now.

That clearly is less than honest answer. BTW:I have not read the book and don't think will buy it.

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Postby Raja Bose » 08 Oct 2010 00:21

"The government does not want to go down this road," he said. "But people feel abused. If they [the Americans] kill someone again, they will react. There is a figure that there are 3,000 American personnel in Pakistan. They would be very easy targets."


Who wanna bet this guy is going to disappear one day quietly. :mrgreen:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Satya_anveshi » 08 Oct 2010 00:22

svenkat wrote:Why are jingoes underestimating the wise elephant? we are tolerating the needle in the banana because US is in Afghanistan?
The US will see a charging elephant if they cross the redlines in Afghanistan.
SA garu,
Have faith in Satyam as the Vedas and Puranas extol.

svenkat ji, thanks for the reminder. Were we elephant too back in mid-late 80s and early 90s? Was Punjab, J&K etc were red lines or not?

Clearly, the militants demonstrating spectacular attacks in Pak has come to a complete naught. This was common at least a day of the week not few months ago. The change is perceptable is my take but have been out of touch lately - catching up.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Amber G. » 08 Oct 2010 00:52

x post (in reaction to WSJ story)
Headline from the Fox must be quoted here (or may be in bositive thread)
Pentagon: Pakistani Intelligence Agency Is Not Supporting Terror
Pay the attention to what follows:
The Pentagon acknowledged Thursday that some parts of Pakistan's intelligence agency are cooperating with terrorist groups as a new report suggests Inter-Service Intelligence agents are working to undermine U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan.

[figleaf] Spokesman Col. Dave Lapan said the Pakistan intelligence service as an organization does not support terrorism, but some elements within the ISI are providing assistance to terrorists. [/figleaf]
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