Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 2010

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Johann » 16 Oct 2010 20:40

ramana wrote:Taleban is an ISI supported Pashtun movement in Afghanistan.

Pakiban is a Paki Pashtun movement in TSP which is against Islamabad. It might or might not have ISI support.

The common thing is both have ethnic Pashtuns as the main members.



Ramana,

They have much more in common than being Pashtuns.

The word Taliban is in the name of both the Afghan and Pakistani wings of the movement. They share that name in common for a reason. It means students in Farsi and urdu and it was chosen because both the leadership cadre and the willing, committed cannon fodder in both came out of the same madrasas, and respected the same ulema.

These are not Barelvi madrasas and ulema. They are not Ahle Hadith, or Nadatul Islam, or any other Sunni sect or tendency. They are all part of the Pakistani branch of the Deobandi movement which is centred in Karachi and to a lesser extent Akora Khattak in Khyber-Pakhtunwa.

The Pakiban has taken a more radical turn in its ideology, but that does not come from the Pashtun side as much as the enormous so called "Punjabi Taliban", which is what Pakjabi sectarian groups like the SSP and LeJ have turned in to.

The SSP and LeJ have spent most of their career killing Pakistani Muslims for being Shia, or Ahmedi or even Sunni Barelvi and MQM types. They were initially encouraged in Zia's day, but were some of the first Islamists to have faced state repression under the Sharif brothers and Musharraf when their violence began to threaten internal Pakistani stability.

The Deobandi movement and its madrasas are what allowed for the cross-fertilisation between Pakjab and Pashtun areas. Even though the SSP is and was 90+% Pakjabi, the PA's most dangerous Pakiban enemy, Qari Husain Mehsud, the man who runs the Pakiban's suicide bomber production and targeting (and who has hit both the ISI, SSG and GHQ) is a Pashtun who studied in Karachi at the Farooqia madrasa and like many of his classmates joined sectarian Deobandi tanzims in Pakjab, in this case the LeJ. These kinds of links allowed the leadership of the "Punjabi Taliban" to relocate to the safety of FATA when they faced pressure from the PA. These are the same guys who kidnapped and executed ISI wheeler-dealer and fixer Khalid Khwaja and are still holding one of the ISI's old stars, Col. Imam.

The Pakistani Deobandi tanzims, whether the Afghan or Pakistani wings have produced as far as I know *all* of the suicide bombers that have hit targets in Afghanistan, Pakistan and India. The Afghan Taliban uses the same indoctrination, and more importantly recruits from a pool that is based in Pakistan (i.e. Afghan Pashtun refugees), and educated in Pakistani Deobandi madrasas. That is why at the operational level you have so much ideological cross-contamination.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Guddu » 16 Oct 2010 22:21

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/LJ16Df02.html
Pakistan has freed the supreme commander of the Taliban in Afghanistan, Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, so that he can play a pivotal role in backchannel talks through the Pakistani army with Washington, Asia Times Online has learned.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby chetak » 17 Oct 2010 00:14

Liberal use of herbal products?


http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?697570


'Good News' on Kashmir Soon: Gilani
Lahore | Oct 16, 2010
Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani today said the international community had accepted Pakistan's stand on the Kashmir issue and people would soon hear "good news" in this regard.

Gilani made the remarks while addressing a meeting after a briefing on the Kashmir issue by the "Prime Minister" of Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, Atique Ahmad Khan, on his return to the country after a visit to Brussels.

He did not say what the "good news" would be.

Pakistan is very concerned about the solution of the Kashmir issue and it will never step back from its principles, he said.

Khan told Gilani that it was a great achievement for the Pakistan government that the parliament of the European Union had accepted the Kashmir issue as an international matter and initiated a hearing.

He claimed the UN, EU and the Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC) had included the issue in their official documents by adopting a common mechanism.

He further claimed it was a great success for Pakistan's foreign policy that the EU parliament's standing committee on Kashmir had restarted its work on the issue.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Anujan » 17 Oct 2010 00:56

CRamS wrote:I didn't do a scientific poll or anything, but I did talk about this Nobel Prize with a number of my Chinese friends & colleauges, both men & women. I can tell you without a doubt that 99% of Han Chinese dismiss this award with the contempt it deserves in their mind. In fact, many of them just wave it off like a fly swatter. Now thats nationalism to me. (Chinese don't have Pankaj Misras or A'Roys etc etc). No wonder TSP has signed onto the same with alacrity.


You mistake Paki propensity for GUBO as an indicator of strength of Chinese nationalism. Pakis will GUBO to Timbuktu if they have money.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Theo_Fidel » 17 Oct 2010 07:28

ramana wrote:Taleban is an ISI supported Pashtun movement in Afghanistan.

Pakiban is a Paki Pashtun movement in TSP which is against Islamabad. It might or might not have ISI support.

The common thing is both have ethnic Pashtuns as the main members.


This is an interesting conversation.

Where do Punjabi's fit into all this. Arn't they the ones bank rolling and pulling all the strings?
How come they get a free pass.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Raghavendra » 17 Oct 2010 09:25

13 killed in violence ahead of Karachi by-polls http://sify.com/news/13-killed-in-viole ... idget_news

Islamabad: At least 13 people were killed and 40 injured in various incidents of violence hours ahead of the by-poll being held for an assembly seat in Karachi, capital of Pakistan's Sindh province, on Sunday.

Most of the killings are believed to be the result of political enmity between Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) and Awami National Party (ANP), both contesting in the by-election for PS-94 assembly seat.

ANP Sindh chief Shahi Syed addressed a press conference Saturday evening and announced to 'boycott the polls in protest'. 'The provincial government has failed to control the law and order and we don't think it is advisable to go to polls in such an environment', he argued.

MQM central leader Wasim Aftab said that 'PS-94 seat belonged to MQM as our candidates have been winning from there with thumping majority'. 'ANP wanted to run away from the contest fearing defeat and are raising a storm in a tea-cup', he remarked.

Soon after such fiery statements, clashes broke out in various parts of the city and supporters of both parties resorted to indiscriminate firing in a bid to take control ahead of the polling.

Both the ANP and MQM have been battling for political supremacy over Karachi for the last several years and over 1,800 people have lost their lives in countless incidents of target killing in the last decade or so.

A mob torched two vehicles Saturday night and markets started closing early due to the deteriorating law and order situation. The city roads wore a deserted look and the turn-out in Sunday's polling is also expected to remain thin.

The by-poll is being held at the provincial assembly seat vacated after the murder of MQM legislator Raza Haider in July this year. MQM had alleged that ANP was behind the murder. More than 100 people were killed in the aftermath of his killing within a fortnight.

Police officer Fayyaz Leghari said that three people had been arrested for firing gunshots in orangi town and raiding parties had been deputed in sensitive areas to track down the miscreants.

Earlier, the spokesman of Sindh Rangers said that 'firing and suicide attack is feared on the polling day'. Sindh government has called in rangers to maintain law and order. However, ANP's demand to depute army for election duty was denied.

Despite violence and terrorism threats, election commission said that 'the polling will go ahead as scheduled'. 'Since no candidate has withdrawn his papers, legally the polling has to take place', said the EC spokesman.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Raghavendra » 17 Oct 2010 09:58

Ex-Pak Army major trained terrorists for CWG attack http://www.indianexpress.com/news/expak ... ck/698592/

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Juggi G » 17 Oct 2010 10:45

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Ameet » 17 Oct 2010 14:06

Haroon hopes India will support Pakistan’s bid for UNSC seat next year

http://www.app.com.pk/en_/index.php?opt ... 0&Itemid=2

Pakistan’s UN Ambassador Abdullah Hussain Haroon said Saturday he hopes that India will support Pakistan’s bid for a non-permanent seat in the Security Council for the years 2012-13.The 192-member General Assembly will vote in October next year to fill five seats to be vacated by Lebanon, Bosnia Herzegovina, Brazil, Gabon and Nigeria at the end of 2011.“Next year we’re trying for a Security Council seat and I believe that the Indians have said that they will support us there,” Ambassador Haroon said in an interview.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby SSridhar » 17 Oct 2010 16:16

26 killed & 52 injured in Karachi
The polls for the Provincial Assembly seat PS-94 (Orangi town) was seen as a direct contest between the MQM and the ANP which represents the Pasthun speaking migrants in the city.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Suppiah » 17 Oct 2010 17:18

Charles Darwin would see this as proof of his theory if he lived...when animals kill each other, the fittest survive. Which is good because in the context of pakbarian animalistan, the fittest means the purest who can then go on and kill more impure...AOA....

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby shiv » 17 Oct 2010 17:30

SSridhar wrote:26 killed & 52 injured in Karachi
The polls for the Provincial Assembly seat PS-94 (Orangi town) was seen as a direct contest between the MQM and the ANP which represents the Pasthun speaking migrants in the city.


The Indian government itself suffers from Americanitis - or perhaps "internationalitis".

Pakistan is a seriously dysfunctional area of land. The west and China don't even blink when they speak of Pakistan merely as a "troubled nation" - a nation that is undergoing some temporary strife. Pakistan is not a functioning country at all. Which country would allow such barbarianism to continue without trying to put a halt to it? But India too toes the "international line" in referring to Pakistan as just another country.

We should be the first people off the mark pointing out that "Pakistan" is not a coherent nation. No wonder the "international world order" is going :rotfl: when Indians beg for things like UNSC seat. Indians are mental slaves. Until our slave buddhi goes we will not be able get anywhere beyond Pakistan in our own status.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Dipanker » 17 Oct 2010 17:48

^^ I fail to see the connection between Sridhar post and your response even though there is a semblance of truth in your post. Wrong thread perhaps?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby shiv » 17 Oct 2010 20:16

Dipanker wrote:^^ I fail to see the connection between Sridhar post and your response even though there is a semblance of truth in your post. Wrong thread perhaps?



No No. This is a serious post. It was meant to be in the Pakistan thread. 28 people killed in violence in one city - Karachi. Forget a western city and look at the reaction in India. Go back to incidents in India where 20 or 30 people have been killed in violence in an Indian city and tell me if there is any similarity in the way this is handled in India and in Pakistan. I will eat my words in public if similarities are there. Violence in Karachi is as out of control as it is in Waziristan.

For me the take home lesson is something that is well known on BRF. Pakistan is not a functioning nation. It is an area of land under incomplete control of various power centers. What is so great about recognizing this and saying it out loud? It's like this: What does it mean when an area of land in this world is given the name "nation state"? It means that the world recognizes that this "nation state" has a functioning government, and that the borders indicated on the map against the name of that "nation" are not disputed and belong to that nation and under the control of that government. Friggin heck - even India is not given that courtesy. And once the "nation state" is recognised, the grievances and bluffs of the government of that state are recognized and attended to as genuine - in a big pretence, a big international charade that the government of that state is somehow behaving responsibly towards its own people. And this friggin nominal state is the one India is "competing" with for a non permanent place in the UNSC. Tell me who's stupid.

It is Pakistan's luck and Pakistan's karma that it is still recognized as a functioning nation when things are actually badly wrong. I believe that the Indian government needs to point this out openly and without any inhibition. If the GoI does not know this it is a shame and if the GoI knows it but hesitates to say it - it can only be because of a slave mentality that follows the lead of all the idiotic nations of the world who gain something by describing Pakistan as a nation state.

If we don't say it like it is - no one else on earth is going to say it.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby archan » 17 Oct 2010 21:36

Thats a long way to no. 1 spot...

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby chetak » 17 Oct 2010 21:46

Ameet wrote:Haroon hopes India will support Pakistan’s bid for UNSC seat next year

http://www.app.com.pk/en_/index.php?opt ... 0&Itemid=2

Pakistan’s UN Ambassador Abdullah Hussain Haroon said Saturday he hopes that India will support Pakistan’s bid for a non-permanent seat in the Security Council for the years 2012-13.The 192-member General Assembly will vote in October next year to fill five seats to be vacated by Lebanon, Bosnia Herzegovina, Brazil, Gabon and Nigeria at the end of 2011.“Next year we’re trying for a Security Council seat and I believe that the Indians have said that they will support us there,” Ambassador Haroon said in an interview.



We should vote for ourselves just like they did and play innocent :wink:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Prem » 17 Oct 2010 23:43

SSridhar wrote:26 killed & 52 injured in Karachi
The polls for the Provincial Assembly seat PS-94 (Orangi town) was seen as a direct contest between the MQM and the ANP which represents the Pasthun speaking migrants in the city.


Few Poakroaches a day, keep the terrorism away !~
Did they forget Friday was day before? Who and what kuffar caused the delay in such peaceful killing !!l

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Airavat » 18 Oct 2010 07:22

No relief for landless farmers
The floods have affected an area of 3.3 million acres of cultivated land, according to a joint report by the World Bank and the Asian Development Bank. The government has approved a time-bound financial assistance package. Small farmers – those having less than 25 acres of land – would be eligible for receiving a grant of Rs2,400 per acre with a maximum limit of 12.5 acres, bringing the total benefit to Rs30,000. An owner of more than 25 acres would be entitled to obtain a concessionary loan at a discounted rate of eight per cent.

The land determination would be done under Martial Law Regulations of 1972, which uses an equivalence model by virtue of which Sindh’s 61 acres are equivalent to 25 acres in Punjab.


British proposal to allow free access for Paki textile exports in Europe
Italy is the country in the European Union (EU) that is holding up a British proposal to open up access to the world’s biggest trading bloc for Pakistani textile exports but there are fears in Rome that up to 40,000 jobs could be lost amongst the EU’s main textile producers.

The unilateral suspension of EU duties, available for the next three years, is intended to be applied as of January 1 next year. The European Commission has offered to lift nearly all tariffs on 75 separate product lines but the deal requires the approval of the World Trade Organization (WTO) and Italy is concerned about Indian demands for equal treatment. An EU official admitted on Friday that “getting this through the WTO is already going to be a challenge.”

Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said that “under certain circumstances”, Italy could allow a deal to pass EU hurdles. “My country believes that it can be done,” he said, adding that, “of course it depends on the list of products and on the guarantee that any kind of offer will not be extended to any other country in the region except Pakistan.”

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Prem » 18 Oct 2010 07:26

Karachi violence claims 36 lives ( onlee half of 72, i think its half kuffar and half halal)

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... s-36-lives
KARACHI - Despite red alert by the Rangers, dozens of people were killed and over 50 others got injured in political violence in Karachi, bringing the death toll to 36 in two days of violence.
According to some sources, the violent incidents started taking place as ANP announced to boycott the by-poll for the vacant constituency of Sindh Assembly, PS-94. Following the announcement of Black Day by the ANP, the violent incidents started taking place in some areas, killing 11 people till late Saturday night. The continued violent incidents raised the death toll to 34 till Sunday

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Prem » 18 Oct 2010 07:28

'The twitch in my eye'
(And Chinese Vasleen in Musharraf)
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... -in-my-eye
My left eye is twitching once again ( Must be the first cousin paying visit) as I hear of US President Barack Obama’s visit to India in November 2010. Sources say that the visit will focus on enhancement of the Indo-US relationship in areas of defence and economy, including acquisition of C 17 and F 35 aircraft, that would be a major US facilitated step towards setting up India as the South Asian Watchdog. As the clock to this high profile event winds down, I wait with bated breath for New Delhi to generate another ‘terror’ incident, put the blame squarely on Pakistan and present it as another piece of irrefutable evidence to the US team. Resultantly, Pakistan’s credibility as a coalition ally takes another severe beating and India moves a step closer to achieving its long sought aim of becoming the power that calls the shots in South Asia.
To India’s neighbours this scenario is nightmarish. Perhaps, Pakistan is the only South Asian state that can withstand Indian coercion and that too because it has a credible deterrence in place. It is this deterrence that irks our traditional adversary the most. To undo Pakistan, India must first neutralize our nuclear military capability and it is here that the Indo-US convergence of interest manifests itself.
India’s hegemonic mania is there for everyone to see in the cases of Bhutan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Nepal and any attempt to establish India in a regional watchdog status will be like setting ‘the wolf to guard a flock of sheep’. Only Pakistan stands in the way of this grand design and that puts us squarely in the line of fire.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Mort Walker » 18 Oct 2010 07:29

Just finished Bob Woodward's book "Obama's War" and in a few places it mentions India, more notable about 26/11, but that's already been discussed here. The main emphasis of the Obama administration is to seek "peace" between India and TSP, but NOWHERE does anyone in Obama's cabinet mention the terrorism that TSP has conducted on India in terms of life and loss of property. Even if one accepted TSP's argument about India's influence on Baluchistan still doesn't hold up to the level of murder and mayhem inflicted on India.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Prem » 18 Oct 2010 07:33

Prime Minister, army chief meet President
( Failue to do MUC at CWG calls for another terror plan by Zara Gilla-ni Kiya)

NA-V-EED BUTT
ISLAMABAD (October 17, 2010) : President Asif Ali Zaradri, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani and Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani have decided 'tit for tat' response if Nato forces again violate Pakistan's territory. Sources told Business Recorder that the troika also decided that Nato supply line into Afghanistan would be closed, again, if Nato forces violated western boarder of the country.
The decision was taken in a meeting of the Prime Minister and the Chief of Army Staff with the President here at Aiwan-e-Sadr on Saturday. Sources said that it was also decided in the meeting that in the next round of strategic Pak-US dialogue, the government would also demand of America to provide drone technology to Pakistan to counter the menace of terrorism.They said that various issues, including security, defence, socio-economic projects, enhancement of power generation capacity and infrastructure, would be discussed in the forthcoming Pak-US strategic dialogue. Defence Minister Ahmed Mukhtar and Finance Minister Abdul Hafeez Sheikh were also present in the meeting, besides Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir and Finance Secretary Salman Siddique.Sources said that various issues, including terrorism, recent suicide incidents, US drone attacks in tribal area, on-going military flood relief activities, increasing of defence budget, Pak-Afghan relations, and forthcoming Pak-US strategic dialogue were discussed during the meeting. Briefing the media, spokesperson to the President, Farhatullah Babar, said that the meeting was held to deliberate upon the forthcoming Pak-US strategic dialogue, scheduled to be held in Washington soon.

http://www.businessrecorder.com/section ... ident.html

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby A_Gupta » 18 Oct 2010 08:11

More on possible EU trade concessions to Pakistan:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/LJ14Df01.html

ritain, Sweden and Germany reportedly pushed for the trade benefits to Pakistan, while France, Italy, Portugal and other EU states with large domestic textile and clothing industries
were reticent at a time of economic stress. Some experts believe the concessions will do most harm to Bangladesh.

"This is robbing Peter to pay Paul," Reuters quoted a trade expert from one EU country as saying. "The only reason it will go through is because of political relations in the region."

"We don't believe our textile and clothing industry should have to pay for what Europe is giving to Pakistan," Reuters reported Luisa Santos, head for international trade issues at Euratex, a textile industry body, as saying, "This will not help regular Pakistanis. This will help a couple of companies that already have turnover of more than 200 million euros."

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Raghavendra » 18 Oct 2010 09:36

SSridhar wrote:Qari Hussain killed ?

Qari Hussain is aka Ustad-e-Fidayeen. He was the master trainer of the suicide bombers and ran successful schools in FATA.

Zinda hoon mein :mrgreen:

Pak Taliban commander denies reports of his death http://www.zeenews.com/news661788.html

Islamabad: Key Pakistani Taliban commander Qari Hussain Mehsud, best known as the master trainer of suicide bombers, has denied reports about his death in a US drone attack in the restive tribal belt bordering Afghanistan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Raghavendra » 18 Oct 2010 09:39

Gilly fail hogaya?

Pak PM, 400 lawmakers have fake degrees? http://www.zeenews.com/news661785.html

Islamabad: Pakistan Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi are among over 400 lawmakers whose graduation degrees are yet to be verified by the Higher Education Commission (HEC).

If enough lawmakers are found ineligible, there are rumblings that a midterm election may be needed.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Anujan » 18 Oct 2010 10:44

Sense of Entitlement: Definition:

Pakistan feels US has let it down

Pakistani authorities are getting irritated over the lack of US interest in resolving the country’s long-term regional issues and in providing economic support...They also grumble that Pakistan has not been given market access for its products they believe it deserves in comparison to other countries...The US actions and assurances do not match when it comes to Pakistan’s role and returns it should get... US cooperation with Pakistan for resolving the energy sector problems had also remained limited to lip-service

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Pratyush » 18 Oct 2010 11:04

WTF, is happning in land of the pure. This month in every fridin i have been waiting por great performances by the mesud brothers bhat have only see ducks. Bhat the hell has happned.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby ArmenT » 18 Oct 2010 11:55

Anujan wrote:Sense of Entitlement: Definition:

Pakistan feels US has let it down

Pakistani authorities are getting irritated over the lack of US interest in resolving the country’s long-term regional issues and in providing economic support...They also grumble that Pakistan has not been given market access for its products they believe it deserves in comparison to other countries...The US actions and assurances do not match when it comes to Pakistan’s role and returns it should get... US cooperation with Pakistan for resolving the energy sector problems had also remained limited to lip-service


The real reason why Pak exports of goods to the west went down was because of their inability to deliver goods on time, which made people wary of re-ordering anything from Paki manufacturers ever again.

From what I gather (based on a couple of acquaintances who are in the business), the common perception is that ordering from Paki manufacturers is a massive gamble. Deadlines were often missed because of frequent power cuts. And then there was the problem of shipping out of Karachi: worker strikes, containers got burned, trucks carrying goods got hijacked etc. If the goods arrived safely, they were often not the same quality promised. In the end, people just got fed up and stopped doing business with Pakland.

Giving Pakis special market access is not going to change anything, because someone has to convince western buyers to buy Paki goods in the first place.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Sudip » 18 Oct 2010 12:59

This time its NATO official confession. pata nahi kitne baar bolenge yaar ye loog eek hi cheej baar baar. like dog chasing his own tail :roll:

NATO official: Bin Laden, deputy hiding in northwest Pakistan

"Nobody in al Qaeda is living in a cave,"

Osama bin Laden and his deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri are believed to be hiding close to each other in houses in northwest Pakistan, but are not together

Mullah Omar, the leader of the Taliban, has moved between the cities of Quetta and Karachi in Pakistan over the last several months.

The official would not discuss how the coalition has come to know any of this information, but he has access to some of the most sensitive information in the NATO alliance.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby SSridhar » 18 Oct 2010 13:55

The usual threat from Pakistan
At the same time, it is imperative that the FoDP help the Pakistani economy in the short-term and medium-term. If they fail to do this, for whatever reason, the advances made in the war on terrorism will be undone, as poverty is the ideal soil for terrorist recruitment.


The above is from the DT Editorial. Pakistanis are united in unabashedly threatening the rest of the world for what truly are their own mega failures.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby SSridhar » 18 Oct 2010 14:09

If we can work with the Army, why not with the judiciary ? - Gilani
This is what the Prime Minister of a nuclear-weapon state says. Truly banana.
If we can work with the army :lol: and create consensus among the political forces, then certainly we can go along with the judiciary as well,” he {PM Gilani} said.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Suppiah » 18 Oct 2010 14:38

SSridhar wrote:If we can work with the Army, why not with the judiciary ? - Gilani
This is what the Prime Minister of a nuclear-weapon state says. Truly banana.
If we can work with the army :lol: and create consensus among the political forces, then certainly we can go along with the judiciary as well,” he {PM Gilani} said.


Shamelessly confirming the well known fact - Army does not report to him or to his cabinet, it is equal and beyond control like the judiciary (is supposed to be)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Pratyush » 18 Oct 2010 15:00

These guys need to be out out their misery. The moron does not seem to understand that the Judiciary is subservient to the laws passed by the parliament. Thus the super authority in TSP ought to be the parliament. Under a law passed by the parliament the judiciary can be brought under control.

Do these morons understand this.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Suppiah » 18 Oct 2010 15:50

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2010\10\18\story_18-10-2010_pg1_4

20 more impure washed out...

One of the bodies had several bullet wounds, while the other had its legs and head missing.


Lakki Marwat....unLakki purity

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 768366.cms

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby CRamS » 18 Oct 2010 16:47

SSridhar wrote:The above is from the DT Editorial. Pakistanis are united in unabashedly threatening the rest of the world for what truly are their own mega failures.


Thats not the way TSP looks at it, and many in the US too. After US abandoned Afganisthan & TSP, declaring victory post Soviet withdrawl, the argumet pushed by TSP RAPE goes that the terrorist culture that US helped nurture is the reason for TSP's mess, and so it is US responsibility to fix it.

Now wait a minute, an objective observer should then ask, did you guys not gain from that, namely, using those terrorists against India, not to mention acquiring nukes? How can you claim to be the victim when you you yourself did nothing to reverse the trend, on the contrary harnessed the disease to spread far & wide. Where is your effort in combating the disease? To which the standard answer would be, 7000,000,000,000 ... + Indian army is commiting rapes, slaughter, you name it in Kashmir and hence there is public support in TSP to fight India. So from TSP's vantage point, they are not at fault at all, the rest of the world is. Solution: debt write off, billions more, nuke deal, Kashmir valley, and of course Afganisthan. For a start that is. More demands will follow after that. Now the west will meet these demands to the extent that India is compromised in an equal equal framework, sometimes even going beyond as we saw in Mumbai and the soft-peddling TSP role post Mumbai. TSP of course want the US-led west to go far beyond that and hence the tug of war continues.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby SSridhar » 18 Oct 2010 16:53

Pratyush wrote:These guys need to be out out their misery. The moron does not seem to understand that the Judiciary is subservient to the laws passed by the parliament. Thus the super authority in TSP ought to be the parliament. Under a law passed by the parliament the judiciary can be brought under control.

Do these morons understand this.

Since the reinstatement of the deposed judiciary in c. 2009, Gilani has been saying bravely that the power was being shared among the Parliament, the Judiciary and the Army, the so called troika. This is in itself is laughable when the PM says he shares power with the other two.

Be that as it may, there is a huge power struggle going on with the PA, PML-N and the Judiciary ganging up to oust Zardari from Presidency. The PML-N is disinterested, and wisely so, in taking over the reins of governance but it doesn't want to see Zardari in occupation of the Presidency.

But, look at the way the judges of the Supreme Court have behaved. They hear a rumour in a news channel at the dead of the night that the restored judges could be deprived of their power and convene a full bench immediately and ask for a signed letter from either the Prime Minister or higher up (Who is this higher up, President or Kayani ? The SC carefully avoided spelling it out while it did explicitly say Prime Minister !) that no such action would be taken. The hearing in this issue are still going on even as the PM went on TV networks to say that asking for a written letter from the PM while disbelieving his words was an insult to the chair of the Prime Minister ! The SC even claimed it had proof that the Government was contemplating the ouster move. The behaviour of the learned judges of the SC is childish as well as churlish.

Everybody in Pakistan is a consummate believer in Conspiracy Theories, just like everybody in the Land of the Purest is a jihadi terrorist and everybody there 'lies for a good Muslim cause' and so on and so forth. The Learned Judges of the SC are no exception to this mutated genetic predisposition.

All this judiciary drama is in the midst of a bigger drama of the Government simply refusing to re-open the Swiss bank cases and the SC insisting on and even ordering that. Nawaz Sharif is, for his part, needling the issue secure in the belief that he has the ears of the PA, a dramatic turnaround for him vis-a-vis the PA after the Musharraf interregnum.

The judiciary never had a smooth relationship with the Prime Minister or the military dictators of the country in the last four decades. They were either subservient or beaten into submission.

Earlier, in 1976, the civilian Prime Minister Z.A.Bhutto had passed the Sixth Amendment that limited the tenure of the CJ of the Federal Court to five years and that of a Provincial High Court to four years because he was uncomfortable with the then CJs of the Lahore and Peshawar High Courts and used this as a ruse to get rid of them. On other occassions, the military threatened the Judges as happened involving Gen. Mirza Aslam Beg in the case of State Vs. Haji Saifullah Khan. Gen. Mirza Aslam Beg admitted to reporters on Feb. 4, 1993 that he had sent the dissolved National Senates’ Chairman Wassim Sajjad in 1990 to warn the judge not to restore the Assembly and the Senate. Upon this admission three years after the events, a contempt case was initiated against Gen. Beg and he was found guilty but the Court refused to punish the General. During her second term, Ms. Benazir Bhutto dismissed the Supreme Court judge Saad Saood Jan, who anyway had not been confirmed in his position as the Chief Justice, when he rejected the names suggested by her for filling up vacancies of judges in the Supreme Court. She then appointed Sajid Ali Shah who was later forced out by Nawaz Sharif. A violent mob of his PML-N partymen stormed the Supreme Court on Oct. 28, 1997 making the Chief Justice, Sajid Ali Shah, flee for his life and handover his resignation which effectively scuttled the on going contempt of court case against the Prime Minister. The entire episode of the assault was recorded in the cameras of the Supreme Court. The ex-CJP also described, in his autobiography, how Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif tried to induce him through the office of the President to drop corruption cases against him. Sajid Ali Shah appealed to the PA for support but it refused to come to his help.

This country lives true to the prescient predictions of the Spanish Ambassador made in the 1960s: “. . . this country will drift from crisis to calamity, from calamity to catastrophe, and from catastrophe to disaster.”

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby SSridhar » 18 Oct 2010 17:24

CRamS wrote:Thats not the way TSP looks at it, and many in the US too. After US abandoned Afganisthan & TSP, declaring victory post Soviet withdrawl, the argumet pushed by TSP RAPE goes that the terrorist culture that US helped nurture is the reason for TSP's mess, and so it is US responsibility to fix it.

Oh yes, that's the standard line of argument by the Terrorist State. Everybody, including the 3½ Friends, must be having a hearty laugh when they hear it even if they do not display visible signs of it. But, then, for their own different reasons, they may appear to agree with Pakistan and proceed with the game. Ms. Clinton frequently refers to the unfairness of the US walking away after the successful execution of the Bear Trap, but then, Pakistan also wanted it that way because it thought it could then unleash the same jihadi forces on India. The US knew what was about to happen did not want to be overtly part of that so it walked away. It is something like the US now claiming that they had forewarned about likely Mumbai terror attack. No doubt that a lot of blame must go the US way for these jihadi forces especially when we know the great lengths to which DIA went to corrupt young minds and the society. It was therefore a mutually beneficial and well-planned divorce in c. 1989. The US continued to clandestinely deliver arms for two years even after the Geneva Accord when Zia promised to 'lie for a good Muslim cause'. The Pakistanis have cleverly turned the table on the Americans now by claiming this as 'abandonment' and justifying the present-day proliferation of 'non-state actors' to this American policy.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby ramana » 18 Oct 2010 21:24

Pratyush wrote:These guys need to be out out their misery. The moron does not seem to understand that the Judiciary is subservient to the laws passed by the parliament. Thus the super authority in TSP ought to be the parliament. Under a law passed by the parliament the judiciary can be brought under control.

Do these morons understand this.


In a true Islamic state the Parliament etc are kabuki theater for the law is Shariat and is already given. The Parliament only enacts laws that are outside the Shariat and therefore not legitimate.


Parliament etc are there for show to Wastern states that prop up the TSP to soothe their (Wastern) collective conscience.


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