Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 2010

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby svinayak » 18 Oct 2010 21:29

SSridhar wrote: Ms. Clinton frequently refers to the unfairness of the US walking away after the successful execution of the Bear Trap, but then, Pakistan also wanted it that way because it thought it could then unleash the same jihadi forces on India. The US knew what was about to happen did not want to be overtly part of that so it walked away.

It was therefore a mutually beneficial and well-planned divorce in c. 1989. The US continued to clandestinely deliver arms for two years even after the Geneva Accord when Zia promised to 'lie for a good Muslim cause'. The Pakistanis have cleverly turned the table on the Americans now by claiming this as 'abandonment' and justifying the present-day proliferation of 'non-state actors' to this American policy.

There was a mutual beneficial relation in that withdrawal from Af Pak after the Afghan war.
US objective of keeping Pakistan as a strong hold in the region and even Pak creating problems in the region was their policy for long term domination.

This mutual tacit understanding between the military was long term and Pak understood the goals of the US in the region very well. So it is not a "abandoned" region or failed policy. It was a deliberate policy of encouragement to anarchy/chaos for long term geo political advantage.

First time recently an American friend asked me if India would consider helping US in the Af Pak region.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby ramana » 18 Oct 2010 21:38

We await new leaks from US that reveal the details of 1989 "abandonment" if they demand more bakshseesh from the US. But then again maybe not!

It might be useful to see who in US makes that "abandonment' arguement for later correlation. Its mostly the Mike Schuer type operatives.

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Postby Pratyush » 18 Oct 2010 21:44

ramana,

If that is the case then what is the source of legitmacy for the Judges themselves. What is the source of their power in TSP.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby pgbhat » 18 Oct 2010 21:57

SSridhar-ji as usual very educational posts. 8)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby ramana » 18 Oct 2010 22:16

^ Are you talking about the power in Islamic state. They are the counterparts of kazis. There power is due to the residual Indic meme of nayaya in the TSP, when the rule against the brute power of the elite. BTW invariably like the kazis of yore they always rule with the State except on the rarest occasion.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby RamaY » 18 Oct 2010 22:22

ramana wrote:In a true Islamic state the Parliament etc are kabuki theater for the law is Shariat and is already given. The Parliament only enacts laws that are outside the Shariat and therefore not legitimate.


Parliament etc are there for show to Wastern states that prop up the TSP to soothe their (Wastern) collective conscience.


A Paki-parliament (oxymorn by definition) also serves another purpose Ramanaji. It allows other "secular" world (mainly Indians. Nations like USA and PRC know what pakistan truly means) to think Pakis are similar to them.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby A_Gupta » 18 Oct 2010 23:14

Blocked NATO trucks in Pakistan : satellite photos
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/10 ... -pakistan/

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Dipanker » 19 Oct 2010 00:23

A_Gupta wrote:Blocked NATO trucks in Pakistan : satellite photos
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/10 ... -pakistan/


It is back to normal now. Pakis are back to doing what they do best, GUBOing to Amirkhan!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby g.sarkar » 19 Oct 2010 02:10

Acharya wrote:First time recently an American friend asked me if India would consider helping US in the Af Pak region.

Acharyaji,
I am sure the Amrikhans would love to get help from India. But in the old istyle of British Indian Army. Where the Gora Officers fought to the last Indian soldier, and when things got tough they abandoned and ran. The Raj then paid with some measly pensions for the widows and some medals for the fallen as lip service. And even this was financed by money earned from India. Those days are gone forever. If India helps, she will want to be paid with things that Amrikhans will loath to part with. So, they will deal with Pakis, money paid to them gets invested in the West, so no loss, it has been cheaper that way.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Nandu » 19 Oct 2010 02:37

^^^Regarding India "helping" in Af-Pak. Of course we are already helping. Infrastructure development and training in Afghanistan is crucial and we are doing it.

As for sending troops, didn't the US already request this pretty early during Bush's term and India made a high level (Cabinet Committee Meeting, IIRC) decision not to?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby ramana » 19 Oct 2010 02:51

That was for Iraq not Afghanistan.

TSP rules for cooperating with US is that no combat role for India in Afgahnistan even peacekeeping.

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Postby Nandu » 19 Oct 2010 04:06

My mistake.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby ramana » 19 Oct 2010 04:28

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Want to be a successful TV anchor and talk show host in Bakistan? The following is what you need to know …

Amreeka

A modern-day Babylon. Run by evil men whose bloodlines are linked to epic, evil characters such as Sodom & Gomorra and Gog & Magog. Can be a nice place to visit though, for a personal trip.

Amreeka has a very powerful Jewish lobby that constantly plots against Bakistan. This wicked lobby’s members have just one motive in their sorry lives: the destruction of Bakistan, thus Islam, thus Haji Zion Hamid.

Amreeka is also the diabolical modern embodiment of the medieval Christian crusades against innocent (but brave Muslims); using drones instead of horses, dollars instead of swords, Mickey Mouse instead of the Pope and Marlboro Reds instead of ritual burnings. Not a bad place though, for your close relatives working (or living on welfare) there.

Amreeka is at the centre of whatever goes wrong in the Islamic Emirate of Bakistan. Everything coming from them, including financial aid, needs to be judged, denounced and rejected. That being said, advertising from Amreekan banks and multinationals on your channel is fine.

All political analyses should begin with the words: ‘Amreeka kya chahta hai?’ (What does America want?) – even if the analysed issue has to do with the vanishing lids of manholes in Lahore’s Anarkali area.

Bad mouthing Amreeka is a must – a prerequisite of becoming a TV news anchor and talk show host. Those who fail to do this should be suspected of being part of the modern Christian crusade against Bakistan, thus Islam, thus famous tarot card reader, Dr. Shahid Fasaad.

However, it is okay, to borrow some of their helicopters to help flood victims in Sindh and the Punjab. Nevertheless, you must insist that the government – usually full of Amreekan slaves – be careful. These ’copters may actually be shape-shifting Free Masons spying on the breeding cycle of the blind dolphins of River Indus. Any dolphin seen cooperating with the Amreekans should be turned into halaal sushi.

Aafia Siddiqui

Below is the objective bit with which TV anchors/hosts should begin their analysis of Aafia’s case:

A harmless, petite Bakistani woman who went to Afghanistan on a bird-watching trip where she was kidnapped by Blackwater agents for attempting to kill two birds with a rock. She was then handed over to Amreekan slaves in Bakistan who sold her to Amreeka, who sold her to the Jewish lobby who put her in jail (a filthy bird cage) and sentenced her for 1,886 years in jail,. Oh, the outrage, the outrage, revolution, revolution, Allah-ho-Akbar, Allah-ho-Akbar … :rotfl:

For the subjective bit however, we recommend you bite and swallow some cyanide capsules live on air.


Army

A usurping monolithic institution that can be criticised on TV for its deeds in the 1960s. You will have to wait another 20 years though, to criticise it for its deeds between the 1970s and 1990s. However, as a TV anchor/host, freedom of media in Bakistan demands that you stick to Zardari’s ‘corruption’ and Amreeka’s conspiracies.

Aqal

An Urdu word for wisdom/intelligence/reason. Usually used by slippery secularists and atheists to soften their Godless tripe. Should be rejected outright.

The rejection of aqal is really good for ratings too. The famous religious scholar, Jahil Liaquat’s show, Dunce Online, is a good example. He is right. Aqal is a clever ploy by secularists to turn manly Muslims into pansy vegetarians and persuading women to move out of the kitchen and join offices or worse, the gym. Only his wife can do that, in Dubai.

Bakistan

The true name of what we incorrectly call, Bakistan. Since all Bakistani Muslims have Arab ancestry and the Arabs cannot pronounce ‘P’, make sure you don’t either. Those who do, their tongues should be flogged by miniature whips made with the skin of male baby camels.

Bhutto
A family name that is to be praised – but only if he or she is dead. Otherwise, to be castigated just for the heck of it.

Benazir

Be sure to put Shaheed (martyr) in front of the name of this late former prime minister of Bakistan, in spite of the fact that you were calling her a ‘sell-out’ and ‘corrupt’ only a few hours before her assassination in December 2007.

Blackwater

The notorious Amreekan security firm which is responsible for each and every suicide blast in Bakistan in the last five years. It might also be behind the spread of Congo and dengue fevers in the country, and the death of your neighbourhood cat.

You must talk about the cat on your show. Especially if you are Namehram Bokhari.

‘Tell me, Mr. Rehman Malik, why has the government remained quiet about the death of the cat?’

‘It’s just a neighbourhood cat!’
‘No, you are saying this because Blackwater is now killing all our stray cats!’
‘Not really.’
‘How can you say that?’‘Well, you’re still here.’

Constitution

The more illiterate you are about the constitution the more you should talk about it. Makes you sound democratic.

Dance

Something only for Muslim males to do on Bakistani channels. But if performed by a woman should be instantly analysed by you on your show. You can always put the blame of this cultural transgression on Blackwater, secularism, or better still, on Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy’s physics classes at the Quaid-e-Azam University.

Drone

Unmanned Amreekan planes that bomb and kill militants and terrorists in northern Bakistan. Your line as TV anchor/host however should be: How dare they? If we can’t (or refuse) to do that, how can the filthy Amreekans? These attacks are an attack on our sovereignty. Those dying in the drone attacks are our brothers (albeit, with a short fuse and an unnerving tendency to blow themselves up every now and then in our mosques, shrines and bazaars). Yeah well, brothers, nevertheless.

Dr. A.Q. Khan

Bakistan’s favourite scientist and father of the country’s nuclear bomb. Was accused by Musharraf and the Amreekans for selling nuclear technology to rogue states. TV anchors/hosts should defend him to the hilt. Because in reality, he is an old, harmless petite Bakistani who went to Holland on a harmless tulip-farming course when he was kidnapped by Blackwater agents for attempting to steal uranium-laced fertilizer. He was then handed over to Amreekan slaves in Bakistan who put him under house arrest for 11,000 years and took away all his gardening tools which he was about to sell to harmless gardeners in Iran, North Korea and Libya. Oh, the outrage, the outrage, revolution, revolution, Allah-ho-Akbar, Allah-ho-Akbar …

English

Language of the Amreekans and other farangies. Fanatical and bigoted Bakistani televangelists should use it to sound ‘educated’ and so should rabid, right-wing TV anchors to sound ‘objective.’

Entertainment

Since entertainment in Bakistan means watching loud mudslinging matches on talk shows, you as an anchor/host should make sure there is as much entertainment in your show as possible – preferably at the expense of someone else’s reputation.

F-16s

Deadly fighter jets expensively bought from Amreekans but converted to Islam by late mujahid, Zia-ul-Haq.

Freedom of the Media

The freedom to say 2+2=5 and ridiculing, and attacking those who think otherwise. Damn those anti-media punks!


Hamid Gul

A retired, senile reactionary Army man and ISI sleuth who has gained more recognition by appearing on TV talk shows than he did for taking part in the mujahidin war against the Soviet Union.

Hindus

Scheming vermin who are oppressing Muslims in India and always planning to break up Bakistan. However, it is okay if a channel blasts these idol-worshiping pests, following that by the latest news from Bollywood

Imran Khan

Every TV anchor/host should make sure to have Imran Khan on his/her show at least thrice a week. Apart from the fact that this very busy politician seems always to be available, his political knowledge and animated rants can make even the most idiotic talk show host sound like a genius. Also, this brave anti-West and anti-imperialistic revolutionary can help you get a UK visa faster than you can say ‘down with the Queen!

Jihad

A jihad is how the present-day Bakistani TV journalist/anchor/host sees his duty. Especially a jihad against ‘corruption’ (ala Aaj Drama Khan kay saath). Such a jihad will not only book your place in paradise and make you popular, but it will also raise the ratings of your show and land you a big fat salary. See this as God’s (tax-free) blessing. By God, I mean God and not your saith.

Judiciary

A Bakistani political party formed by the media. Expected to eradicate corruption, crime, obscenity, secularism, politicians, polio, malaria and petty traffic violations.

Kerry-Lugar Bill

An Amreekan aid bill no Bakistani host/anchor has read but readily and negatively comments upon. Which is fine, since it was the Army generals who didn’t like the ‘tone’ of the bill. TV anchor Namehram Bokhari found it particularly rude, and in protest sent imperialistic Amreekans Kerry and Lugar the bill for her latest Louis Vuitton handbag. Yeah, baby.

Lal Masjid

A red-coloured mosque in Islamabad that was brutally stormed and attacked by Musharraf’s Army. There was nothing unusual in the mosque. It had what most such mosques and madrassas usually have – i.e., civilians, ulema, students, clergymen, militants, guns, bombs, danda-carrying burqa-clad women, etc.

It was a tragedy that TV anchors/hosts must never forget. According to Sansar Abbasi 4,777 people were killed in the action. Though he was blinded by tear gas while counting the dead, but that did not affect the gallant journalist’s counting abilities.

‘1, 2, 10, 100, *cough* … 277, 1001, *cough, cough* …1,779 … outrage, outrage!’

Musharraf

An amicable military man who became a blundering dictator and then de-evolved into becoming a babbling buffoon. The babbling buffoon part would have been best served had he become a TV talk show host instead.

Muslim

News anchors who say ‘Allah hafiz’ instead of ‘Khuda Hafiz.’

Opposition

An animated alliance of bold hosts/anchors who find the conventional parliamentary opposition parties too soft (on Zardari that is, not the Taliban). They are our brothers, y’know.

PML-N

Opposition political party headquartered in various ‘objective’ news channels. It’s motto: Jeeo aur jeenain doh.

Secular

Anyone who did not take Junaid Jamshed and Sahir Lodhi’s Ramzan shows seriously.

Taliban

As a talk show host, be sure to be as contradictory and vague about the Taliban as possible.

‘Taliban are Zionist/Amreekan/Hindu implants. No wait, actually they are our brothers. No wait, they are Bakistanis seeking revenge for drone attacks. No, actually they are foreigners posing as Muslims. No, they are just misguided Muslims. No wait, they are uncircumcised anti-Islam brutes. No wait, they are men whose families got killed by Army operation. No wait, they are Blackwater agents. No wait …

However, be sure to be totally single-minded, focused and constant about the following guy … he doesn’t bite back.

Zardari




i gave up bolding the interesting parts.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby putnanja » 19 Oct 2010 05:34

Just a bunch of US should do this, India should do that etc. Nothing much on what Pakistanis should do. Same old crap ...

A game changer for US-Pakistan relations - Manzoor Ijaz

Monte Carlo, Monaco – President Barack Obama has characterized Pakistan as the “cancer” inhibiting US progress in Afghanistan. Pakistani leaders openly wonder whether America is an ally or an enemy. US taxpayers ask why Washington is giving billions to a country they see as a breeder of terrorism. Pakistanis, having been burned by America’s fair-weather friendship before, expect their fragile trust in the US to be shattered again. That is the grim context for this week’s high-level meetings between Pakistani and US leaders in Washington. It will be tempting to push for a diplomatic divorce. Yet the strategic alliance between Pakistan and the United States remains too vital to global security interests to fail. The modernization of Pakistan’s government, economic infrastructure, and social fabric is a crucial bulwark to keep Muslim radicalism from taking root, or being exported, so easily. Pakistan’s fundamental problem is lack of good governance. Politicians remain self-serving and greedy, unable to deliver even the most basic of government services when tragedy strikes, as it did with this summer’s historic floods. Nobody seems able to account for the billions in aid that the government has received. Donor fatigue is at all-time highs. The Taliban and Al Qaeda stand ever ready to fill the void left by government to provide safe, structured ways of life to millions of Pakistan’s poor and needy.
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Peace talks with India3) External relations. When Mr. Obama visits India in November, he must urge Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to rekindle peace talks with Pakistan. He should explain that while Pakistan may have given birth to and nurtured South Asia’s extremist groups, they are now everyone’s problem. India must take the lead in managing the metastasis of South Asian extremism. Mr. Singh should invite Zardari to New Delhi for a summit. Trade is the easiest subject to tackle. Kashmir and nuclear arms are the most difficult. Kayani, who would be charged with implementing any peace accord concluded by Zardari, would get support from his Army hawks if the tangible benefits to Pakistan’s national security and economic revitalization outweigh lingering perceptions of threats from New Delhi. Singh should also assure Obama that India has no nefarious designs against Pakistan by assisting in Afghanistan’s rehabilitation. Fears of this East-West squeeze have driven hawkish sentiment inside Pakistan’s Army command structure since 2001; these must be alleviated if Kayani is to succeed in co-opting his hawks. Pakistan can also play a constructive role in calming unrest in Muslim Kashmir, where separatists were once bankrolled by Pakistan’s intelligence services. Instructing their former proteges to engage in peace dialogue with New Delhi would reap great dividends for Pakistan in the larger regional peace equation. The Obama administration’s bet on a good outcome in Afghanistan has no meaning if America loses substance in its relationship with Pakistan. The problems that beset this nuclear-armed nation are overwhelming on any scale. But that’s no reason to replace smart policymaking with fear and cynicism. It takes a president with skill, strategic vision, and some guts to eradicate the cancer without killing the patient. It is time for Obama to demonstrate just how good a surgeon he is.

Mansoor Ijaz, an American of Pakistani origin, is a venture capitalist who jointly authored the blueprint for a cease-fire of hostilities between Indian security forces and militant Islamists in Kashmir in July and August 2000.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby shynee » 19 Oct 2010 07:31

U.S. finalizing aid {ransom} package to help Pakistan fight extremists
Washington (CNN) -- The Obama administration is putting the final touches on a security assistance package totaling as much as $2 billion over five years to help Pakistan fight extremists on its border with Afghanistan, senior U.S. officials and diplomatic sources tell CNN.
The aid is expected to be announced later this week when Pakistani officials are in Washington to hold high-level talks.

The package aims to address Pakistan's insistence it does not have the capability to go after terrorists and needs more support from the United States, the sources said. The aid will help the Pakistanis purchase helicopters, weapons systems and equipment to intercept communications.
It falls under the U.S.'s Foreign Military Financing (FMF) program, which provides grants and loans to countries to purchase weapons and defense equipment produced in the United States.
The $2 billion package is on top of billions of dollars the United States already gives Pakistan in military aid and a $7.5 billion aid package over five years in non-military counterterrorism assistance approved by Congress last year.

"They key is to beef up their ability to go after militants, it can't be diverted to other threats," one senior U.S. official said.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Naidu » 19 Oct 2010 08:22

Uncle cannot stop coddling the munna. They deserve each other!

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/world ... lo.html?hp

Among the sweeteners on the table will be a multiyear security pact with Pakistan, complete with more reliable military aid — something the Pakistani military has long sought to complement the five-year, $7.5 billion package of nonmilitary aid approved by Congress last year. The administration will also discuss how to channel money to help Pakistan rebuild after its ruinous flood.


While Pakistan is grateful for the strong American support after the flood, Pakistani officials said, it remains frustrated by what it perceives as the slow pace of economic aid, the lack of access to American markets for Pakistani goods and the administration’s continued lack of sympathy for the country’s confrontation with India.


And a final bit of strategic brilliance:
Mr. Qureshi blamed the United States for the situation, saying Washington signed a civilian nuclear accord with India that discriminated against Pakistan. “You have disturbed the nuclear balance,” he said in a recent interview in New York, “and we have been forced to develop a new strategy.”

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Naidu » 19 Oct 2010 08:40

This is a video from the NY Times about the tax-free haven known as Pakiland. (This is from July 2010, so it might have been already posted and discussed here.)


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Ambar » 19 Oct 2010 10:09

Yeaa! Christmas is early for Pakis this year! With the current US administration, Gilani/Kiyani might as well order a bigger begging bowl (ofcourse,Made in China!) :

The Obama administration is putting the final touches on a security assistance package totaling as much as $2 billion over five years to help Pakistan fight extremists on its border with Afghanistan, senior U.S. officials and diplomatic sources tell CNN.

The aid is expected to be announced later this week when Pakistani officials are in Washington to hold high-level talks.

The package aims to address Pakistan's insistence it does not have the capability to go after terrorists, and needs more support from the United States, the sources said. The aid will help the Pakistanis purchase helicopters, weapons systems and equipment to intercept communications.

It falls under the United States' Foreign Military Financing (FMF) program, which provides grants and loans to countries to purchase weapons and defense equipment produced in the United States. It also includes more counterinsurgency assistance to Pakistani troops and a program allowing members of the Pakistani military to study at American war colleges.

The $2 billion package is on top of billions of dollars the United States already gives Pakistan in military aid and a $7.5 billion aid package over five years in non-military counter-terrorism assistance approved by Congress last year.

"They key is to beef up their ability to go after militants, it can't be diverted to other threats," one senior U.S. official said.

Pakistan has long claimed its military is geared toward defending itself against threats from countries like India, and does not have the kind of equipment it needs to fight insurgents. U.S. officials said they recognize Pakistan's current military hardware is not perfectly suited toward such operations, but made clear the new aid must be directed toward fighting extremists, rather than India
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"We recognize they need different kinds of capacities and more of them to handle extremists form within their own border," one official said. "They do need more capacity and the kinds of capabilities that are geared toward fighting extremists, rather than a major land conflict."

U.S. officials acknowledge the Pakistani military is stretched thin since this summer's devastating floods, and has had to divert resources from the fight against extremists to conduct relief efforts. They hope the new security assistance will address the military's resource limitations so they can redouble efforts to go after militants.

"There is an expectation with that capacity comes a greater effort," a senior official said.

The aid comes on the heels of a White House report sent to Congress earlier this month which uses unusually tough language to suggest the ally is not doing nearly enough to confront the Taliban and al Qaeda, despite repeated Obama administration claims in public that Pakistan is working hard to crack down on militants

The White House assessment, obtained by CNN, is particularly tough on Pakistan's inability to make gains in South Waziristan, where many analysts believe key al Qaeda leaders have gained a safe haven to use as a base to plot terror attacks against Western targets.

The report notes that from March to June, the Pakistani military "continued to avoid military engagements that would put it in direct conflict with Afghan Taliban or [al Qaeda] forces in North Waziristan. This is as much a political choice as it is a reflection of an under-resourced military prioritizing its targets."

"The capacity issue is very real," another senior official said. "It's not like they could just go into North Waziristan if they wanted to and succeed. There is an issue of political will but the capacity issue remains extremely important."

The official said the multi-year assistance package is designed to provide the Pakistanis with "an issue of predictability and consistency" in U.S. military assistance, which has typically been done on a year-to-year basis. Pakistan has long voiced concerns the United States is not going to remain engaged with the region over the long term.

"We need to demonstrate we are in it for more than six months to a year. This offers a time horizon and allows them to chill out about that," the official said.

Even with the harsh White House report, U.S. officials do acknowledge that Pakistan has made some progress in combating terrorism, noting the country has suffered thousands of casualties as a result of its campaign against extremists in its tribal areas bordering Afghanistan. Suspected U.S. drone strikes have also increased in Pakistan, killing dozens of high-level militants in the tribal areas. Although the U.S. does not comment on drone strikes, Pakistani officials have said they could not be done without Pakistani cooperation.

While in Pakistan in July, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the Pakistani government has become "very serious" about fighting the violent extremist organizations within its borders.

At the time, Clinton alluded to the security assistance being announced this week, while telling reporters the United States was "working on a multi-year package with the Pakistanis."

Pakistan Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi and Pakistan's military chief, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, are leading a Pakistani delegation arriving Tuesday for the U.S.-Pakistan Strategic Dialogue, three days of meetings starting Wednesday with Clinton, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

The talks address all facets of the relationship between Washington and Islamabad, but counterterrorism cooperation will be a major aspect of the talks.

"Pakistan has taken aggressive action within its borders. But clearly, this is an ongoing threat and more needs to be done," State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said Monday. "That will be among the issues talked about."

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Pratyush » 19 Oct 2010 10:12

ramana wrote:^ Are you talking about the power in Islamic state. They are the counterparts of kazis. There power is due to the residual Indic meme of nayaya in the TSP, when the rule against the brute power of the elite. BTW invariably like the kazis of yore they always rule with the State except on the rarest occasion.



I was talking about the TSP.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Philip » 19 Oct 2010 10:29

Tx Ramanna! I see how the Pakis can dissolve their national debt and boost exports,by turning their antics into a comedy show and exploding....sorry,exporting it worldwide!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby SSridhar » 19 Oct 2010 10:34

On why the ISI planned the 26/11 Mumbai terror attack
Headley reportedly claimed that a key motivation for the ISI in aiding the attacks was to bolster militant organisations with strong links to the Pakistani state and security establishment who were being marginalised by more extreme radical groups.


From my own post here dated July 21,
LeT is absolutely capable of launching an attack all on its own. It could have perfectly launched the 26/11 all by itself. Look at the the PA involvement in 26/11 - training at Mangla and possibly outskirts of Karachi, supply of maritime charts and GPS waypoints, arranging a boat for PNR 2.5 million, providing satellite phones, handling the terrorists and motivating them through every step for three days, and setting up communication. Some of these can be handled by LeT itself and there are any number of retired PA, PN officers available to do the rest. I therefore believe that rather than LeT initiating the Mumbai attack, it was completely a PA initiated attack and foot soldiers were supplied by the eastern-allies of the PA, namely the LeT. That was the same in the two bombings in Kabul where the western-allies of the PA, namely the Haqqani Group, supplied the suicide bombers. However, there is an assault going on the LeT to wean away its cadres to the Punjabi Taliban (or Wahabandis). LeT (and the PA) cannot remain impervious to this development. The only way to survive this threat is by LeT increasing its stock among the rural masses, particularly in Central and South Punjab. And, the only way of increasing the stock is to mount an even more audacious attack on India. Attractive opportunities are presenting themselves with upcoming events in India. The Kabul attacks and the 26/11 left tell-tale evidences linking to the PA and the were messages to India and also to the US that it is PA that determines India policies in Pakistan and nobody can do anything about that. Having conveyed that message, the PA may choose to be more careful in covering its tracks in the immediate future.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Pratyush » 19 Oct 2010 10:41

Naidu wrote:Uncle cannot stop coddling the munna. They deserve each other!

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/world ... lo.html?hp

Among the sweeteners on the table will be a multiyear security pact with Pakistan, complete with more reliable military aid — something the Pakistani military has long sought to complement the five-year, $7.5 billion package of nonmilitary aid approved by Congress last year. The administration will also discuss how to channel money to help Pakistan rebuild after its ruinous flood.


Can some one tell this unnwashed abdul the meaning of the bold segment.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby SSridhar » 19 Oct 2010 11:00

Pratyush wrote:
Naidu wrote:. . . complete with more reliable military aid — something the Pakistani military has long sought


Can some one tell this unnwashed abdul the meaning of the bold segment.

Will know within a week or two. The Americans are playing both sides in military hardware. One of their aims is to avoid a nuclear exchange. To that extent, they will try to give Pakistanis early-warning systems or even some 'eye in the sky' under the garb of remote sensing satellite to monitor glaciers, river flows in light of recent floods and to monitor agricultural produce.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby abhishek_sharma » 19 Oct 2010 11:59

^ Probably they want sanction-proof military hardware.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby abhishek_sharma » 19 Oct 2010 11:59

Crowd in India during CWG was abusive: Pak hockey captain

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cwgarticleshow/6772926.cms
:(( :((

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Pratyush » 19 Oct 2010 12:04

Abhishek,

You beat me to it. :(( :P

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby chetak » 19 Oct 2010 12:27

abhishek_sharma wrote:Crowd in India during CWG was abusive: Pak hockey captain

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cwgarticleshow/6772926.cms
:(( :((



This does not sync with the alleged "welcome" given to them during the opening ceremony.

What gives?

Or was the opening ceremony "welcome" a work of media fiction??

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Lalmohan » 19 Oct 2010 12:28

the opening ceremony welcome was real, but during the hockey match it was a very partisan crowd - which is only to be expected. the takleef is coming from not cheering for the paquis

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby SSridhar » 19 Oct 2010 12:37

abhishek_sharma wrote:^ Probably they want sanction-proof military hardware.

That is something no US Administration can offer. That takes away the sovereignty of the donor, if one remembers that almost all the US military hardware comes to Pakistan as donation, or war excess or at a throwawy price.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Hari Seldon » 19 Oct 2010 13:00

TSP is wasting its time demanding what unkil cannot deliver - J&K from India.

Instead IMHO TSP should demand what unkil can deliver - Afghanistan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Neela » 19 Oct 2010 13:00

Lalmohan wrote:the opening ceremony welcome was real, but during the hockey match it was a very partisan crowd - which is only to be expected. the takleef is coming from not cheering for the paquis



Pacquis complaining about partisan crowd eh?
Does anyone remember the 1980s and the Indian cricket tour of TSP.
Does anyone remember one particular banner in the crowd?
It read :
"Indian dogs, quit Kashmir!"

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Rajdeep » 19 Oct 2010 13:02

The baki nostradamus on crack is at it again ,


http://www.pakistankakhudahafiz.com/201 ... -scenario/

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Lalmohan » 19 Oct 2010 13:16

Neela wrote:
Lalmohan wrote:the opening ceremony welcome was real, but during the hockey match it was a very partisan crowd - which is only to be expected. the takleef is coming from not cheering for the paquis



Pacquis complaining about partisan crowd eh?
Does anyone remember the 1980s and the Indian cricket tour of TSP.
Does anyone remember one particular banner in the crowd?
It read :
"Indian dogs, quit Kashmir!"


the real real takleef apparently is the crowd always reminding them that 'they were pakistani'... now is that such a bad thing??!! ;)

and also, it seems that the 'abuse' has been getting worse since the mumbai attacks...

gee, i wonder why that is?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Pratyush » 19 Oct 2010 13:33

Just goes to show, regardless of the WKK in the media, the population of India has not forgotten or forgiven Mumbai.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby kmkraoind » 19 Oct 2010 13:36

Gunmen kill 37 in Karachi

Image

Lol, the patrolling paramilitary solders for me looks like members for a mafia with stolen bikes of different variants and by their appearance they seems to be more like goons rather than soldiers.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Pratyush » 19 Oct 2010 13:36

The count is on for the dhaga to reach its 72.

IB4TL onlee.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby saket » 19 Oct 2010 14:24

NDTV reported earlier that Obama is planning to visit pakistan this week, but I havent heard this anywhere else and its not on NDTV anymore.
Seems an odd timing if true, since the pakis are trooping into DC soon ...

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby CRamS » 19 Oct 2010 16:43

Pratyush wrote:Can some one tell this unnwashed abdul the meaning of the bold segment.


It means in the eyes of foggy bottom & Co, its India TSP equal equal onlee.

TSP wants more sympathy from US in its confrontation with India (from NY time above). So TSP picks a fight with India over imaginarfy grievances and everybody has to be sympathetic to it.

Next, nuke deal. Quereshi says this tipped the balance. Once again why the need for equal equal. Can't MMS point out to his US interlocuters that Israel has nukes, US does not want Iran to have the same. Regional imbalance there, so whats wrong with regional imbalance in "South Asia". Why should there by any balance between between a terrorist,l nuke-peddling, Islamo fascists state with the world's largest democracy? Where is Bakara when you need her? This drumbeat should be her job.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby A_Gupta » 19 Oct 2010 17:07

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oc ... or-attacks

Pakistan's powerful intelligence services were heavily involved in preparations for the Mumbai terrorist attacks of November 2008, according to classified Indian government documents obtained by the Guardian.

A 109-page report into the interrogation of key suspect David Headley, a Pakistani-American militant arrested last year and detained in the US, makes detailed claims of ISI support for the bombings.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Postby Lalmohan » 19 Oct 2010 17:16

^^^ this 'leak' is part of the calibrated turning up of heat on TSPA and Kiyanahi
but it also is pushing TSP towards an end-game with few options to climb down
increases JDAM risks


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