PratikS,
I am hardly interested in a mudslinging match with you. So, this will be my last reply to you even though I personally think that your statements are totally ridiculous. Case in point, the following statement of yours which started the discussion.
Also note that manufacturing and maintaining engines and other stuff is easy and India has done it in the past and I can't think why India can do it with the GE-414.
You said that for the hypothetical situation in which India would be under sanction from US.
Now to your latest post.
A country like Pak is today manufacturing reasonably good fighters.
I assume that you are referring to JF-17? If you think that assembling and manufacturing is the same thing then all the power to you. Pakistan is in that case indeed manufacturing JF-17s.
But there is a little part of it called RD-93 which Pakistan (or anyone else for that matter) would find very difficult to "manufacture".
Also, the PAF F-16 were nearly operationally crippled before the Sanctions were lifted. Even during the Kargil War, they were hard pressed for spares.
Iran with absolutely no aviation background was able to maintain their fleet of F-14's for decades which "if i am not wrong" had engines. They were also able to develop so called indigenous fighter based on the F-5.
And how many of F-14s are operational now? And how sparingly are they used to keep them that way?
As for the indigenous fighter "HESA Saeqeh", no performance issues have been issued till date other than the rather "dubious" figure of 3000km range. We do not even know whether it is a supersonic fighter. So your comparison of HESA Saeqeh to modern fighters like MMRCA contenders is baffling to say the least.
Example of India could also be taken over here, after American sanctions the Tejas program was able to maintain GE engines on whom the ToT was not received. There was a article on it a while ago praising the efforts of the engineer's who did a great job with limited know how.
Maintaining a handful of engines is not similar to maintain a large fleet. But leave alone maintaining, you have repeatedly asserted how "manufacturing" them is "easy".
Also HAL was able to develop some major components of MiG-27 without the help of Russian's who were more interested in selling their expensive components. Read BR history archives.
While the upgrade program of Mig-27 by HAL Nasik and DARE deserves high praise, I do not see the connection of that particular program with engine manufacturing. Again, another irreverent point.
Israel was able to manufacture Nesser by stealing the blue prints from France. It is basically Mirage-5 which Israel funded and later France didn't supply it to them.
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You seem to have a habit of basing your claims on programs which have little open source info and a lot of mystery and rumour around them.
Nesser's development is shrouded in mystery. The original order of 30 Nessers was paid for by Israelis. Now we go into the rumour territory. Some say that the Israel stole the blueprints, some say that they were secretly given to them by France while some say that they were given whole aircrafts in parts that were meant for French Air Force. Take your pick, neither of the cases prove your point.
Even your theory of stealing "blueprints" does not support your claim. What exactly do you mean by blueprint? 3 view diagrams of the aircraft and engine?
China is probably the prime example of manufacturing. Look at them, they are manufacturing Su-27/30/33's without the help of Russians. But struggling with their own R&D.
Look up the internet for the number of tubofan and turbojet programs they have had for decades. It was hardly "easy". In spite of all the reverse engineering and espionage, it took decades of experimenting for them to reach this level.
Exactly, and India has managed to maintain and manufacture those engines without issue but struggled with developing Kaveri. This proves that manufacturing and maintaining is easy. Also your claim that India isn't manufacturing TF engines isn't supported by HAL Korpat which claims it manufactures from nut bolts to blades and shaft.
AFAIK, the full absorption of AL-31FP technology by HAL Koraput has been delayed to 2014. Unfortunately, I am not able to find the interview where I read that.
But even if you are correct and HAL Koraput does indeed manufacture AL-31FP ingeniously, we did so with full support and TOT from Russians whose technicians were present at every stage of manufacturing. And even then it took us nearly a decade. You find this situation the same as that of manufacturing GE-414?
You have made a stupid and uninformed statement and now you are simply not being a man enough to accept that. Instead, like a child, you are throwing even more bizarre and unrelated "logical statements".
I have exhausted all the patience that I have on this post. Please do not expect another reply from me on this matter. You want to believe that "maintaining and manufacturing engines and other stuff" is easy without the co-operation of OEM? Fine with me.
