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There is a 4-star general in that photograph. Why do they need to send such a senior guy for this induction? It appears that they want to sell more, more, more weapons to the Yindoos.
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abhishek_sharma wrote:Why do we need so many firangis for C-130J induction?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/usembassyn ... 421111680/
Caption this :-)

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Here too, full of goras...

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There were plenty of Russkies during MiG-29, Su-30MKI inductions as well..nothing really amiss here.
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Cross posting from the AI-11 thread
rahuldevnath wrote:First Pics from the Aero India
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It is interesting to see the wing fences on S3466. One can see the same more clearly in the following pics from Broadsword.
Click on image for higher resolution.
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None of the other IJTs have the same. In fact S3466 did not use to sport these earlier. Is this going to be a permanent feature?
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abhishek_sharma wrote:Here too, full of goras...

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5179/542 ... fb88ef.jpg
is it just me or do the 2 gentlemen from IAF on extreme left in 2nd row appear to be twins ?
at first glance I thought how come the same person appears twice in one pic. :-?
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Clone Army? One way to resolve the officer shortage!
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Flightglobal World Airforces directory 2010 .. http://rapidshare.com/files/446684947/W ... es2010.pdf
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thanks for posting this. the PAFs future shape looks fairly pathetic unless they get more F_solahs and J20 comes up to the bar height.

but when in gods name did they acquire 80 Mi17 helis ?
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Most were gifted by US i think
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Singha wrote:thanks for posting this. the PAFs future shape looks fairly pathetic unless they get more F_solahs and J20 comes up to the bar height.

but when in gods name did they acquire 80 Mi17 helis ?
Doubtful Pakistan has that many Mi Helicopters.

The Military Balance 2010 lists an inventory of 10 Mi-8 and 13 Mi-17.
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thats a more reasonable number - refurbished stock picked up from russia, ukraine and CAR states...the Rus got around our complaints by saying its the civilian version - though its the PA that uses it. but thats a small thing vs selling IL76 midas and engine for the bandar. even the J20 use russian engine.

soon the pakis might have more russian kit than India :eek:
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Yesterday a fighter was flying close to ground near ORR around 5PM. think its an LCA, thrice it came close to the ground. at the end it did went up and slid and turned away. couldnt take a photo since I was in the company shuttle
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soon the pakis might have more russian kit than India
India has MROs!!
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Singha wrote:thanks for posting this. the PAFs future shape looks fairly pathetic unless they get more F_solahs and J20 comes up to the bar height.

but when in gods name did they acquire 80 Mi17 helis ?
They didn't- its one of the mistakes that Flight Global's database has made.
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Any news on the Mirage 2000 upgrade? Was the deal signed? I recall a lot of hullaballooo in Dec last when Sarko & Co were in town. What came of it?

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'price negotiations we on' - the technical specification is done. it will be a cost contained upg and use cheaper RDY3 radar vs the full spec RDY2 sported by the mirage2000-5
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Singha wrote:'price negotiations we on' - the technical specification is done. it will be a cost contained upg and use cheaper RDY3 radar vs the full spec RDY2 sported by the mirage2000-5
Wouldn't be a bad idea at all....invest the rest into something far more viable, the MRCA (Rafale anyone?).

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Aero India takes off today - BS
Business Standard has learned that the IJT has just overcome a major setback, in which the aircraft cracked into two during structural testing. In this demanding ground test, the fuselage is subjected to heavy loads to ensure that it can bear more stress than it could encounter during flight. Due to this failure, HAL lost months in strengthening the IJT’s fuselage.

“The reinforced aircraft cleared all the structural tests just a couple of weeks ago. Now it is ready for an air display during Aero India,” said Nayak.
This is a news to me. Did anybody know about this?
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Not in public. news of the IJT testing has been scarcer than giraffes in greenland.
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HTT-40, IMHO as important as any other project

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2011/02/ae ... tt-40.html
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More photos from Aero India Day 1 .. https://picasaweb.google.com/1106149587 ... 1120110209#

Highlight - LCH in flight
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woops wrong thread..
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Vic,

it doesn't matter. AF is importing the basic trainer from outside.

HAL will only have a role in maintaining the bird. this model is just a capability/intent demonstration.
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vic wrote:HTT-40, IMHO as important as any other project

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2011/02/ae ... tt-40.html
Looks like a beauty.............. too bad that the IAF is interested in an imported design due to an urgent requiremt to replace the HPT 32
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As far as I can remember 80 will be imported and we will have 120 HTT-40. HAL had sent an RFI for 130 engines for the HTT-40 around April

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2010/04/ha ... e-for.html
The RFI states that HAL intends to acquire 130 engines, including those for the prototypes. Contenders have been asked to respond to the RFI by June 15 this year. According to the RFI, "The engine and propeller should should form a proven combination which is cleared for operation of aircraft in aerobatic category." HAL is looking for a FADEC engine with a ~700-820 kW power rating, a service ceiling of 22,965-feet and a max sea-level speed of 475-kmh.

Firms expected to bid include Pratt & Whitney, Rolls Royce and Lycoming.
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HAL cannot say no and it is way overextended.

While it stings - the IAF has no option but to urgently fill this requirement now
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Surya wrote:HAL cannot say no and it is way overextended.

While it stings - the IAF has no option but to urgently fill this requirement now
Pratyush wrote:
vic wrote:HTT-40, IMHO as important as any other project

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2011/02/ae ... tt-40.html
Looks like a beauty.............. too bad that the IAF is interested in an imported design due to an urgent requiremt to replace the HPT 32

Both things are parallel...

IAF needs basic trainers immediatly and the "identified way" is to acquire some..

We will need more than what we acquire and the identified way is to have HAL design & build them.. so that ultimately we have a trianer of our own.. the HAL trainer is atleast 5-6years away from induction.. we might be able to get the foreign trainer in 2years..

So both are parallel paths...
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yes and no.

At the moment HTT-40 is a low priority thingy.
5-6 years ... let's see.
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why GoI is not approaching private Defense companies for manufacturing HTT-40 when HAL is filled & over booked and private player are in a position to manufacture them.
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Why do we not ask the private sector to pitch-in? If Mahindra can come out with Airvan, we can certainly ask the tatas/mahidras or l&t to design and build a basic trainer? Seems to be a low risk option for these guys to enter into IAF.

Oops! Saw Chacko's posting belatedly - the same point, though!
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The airvan (GA-8) is not designed or manufactured by Mahindra. They inherited it from when they bought controlling stocks in Gippsland Aero.

The NM5 designed by MM and NAL was to have the first prototype flying by Dec-2009. This was with the engine, propeller and certified seats of the aircraft being imported. Raw material like aluminum alloy sheets and hardware such as, nuts, bolts, washers and rivets were to be imported too.

This only proves that getting the private sector in is not the panacea of delays in India atleast in terms of aero tech.
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Well in all this AI and MRCA jazz, the humble Baaz upgrade seems to have hardly gotten much attention, but it is interesting to say the very least:

http://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php?p=473646

Hi res image suggests that this SMTII upgrade will mean tremendous increase in fuel cap - 5000kg + imho, giving the bird a range of about 2000km on internal fuel, far cry from the original baaz. The fatback is back!

Looks ugly as sin, but menacing at the same time ala the Hind.

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Cain sir, take a bow. This is the first (only) pic of the MiG-29 Upgrade. Wow.
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I thought the Baaz was already capable for A2A refuelling. Is it not so? Ref - http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Aircr ... iG-29.html

That Mig looks as visually pleasing as a python after swallowing a goat! :mrgreen:
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Prasad wrote:I thought the Baaz was already capable for A2A refuelling. Is it not so? Ref - http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Aircr ... iG-29.html

That Mig looks as visually pleasing as a python after swallowing a goat! :mrgreen:
Errr Prasad mamu jan I believe this particular python would have a reall affinity towards having birds as its primary diet....skewred falcons any one? :mrgreen:

CM you beauty that pic is 400% brilliant. I reckon the mix of the primer with the worn paint gives a nice looksie only in very menacing way as mentioned by you.

This upgrade is gonna be the comeback of the orginal IAF air to air fighting kid...and the kids growing up now..... :D
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Well birathers - the credit for that pic goes to a certain Mack8 at Keypubs, he did find it first, although there are low rez pics of the same (AWST report I think). But yes, that Baaz looks the sort nobody wants a piece of - 100% certified poison!

Should be good enough to tackle JF17, F-16, J10, and even some flanker types methinks.

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Should be good enough to tackle JF17, F-16, J10, and even some flanker types methinks.
Wot? No J-20s? I think we should get a refund.
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I know the link was posted, but this image has GOT to be posted. MiG-29UPG !

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