Indian Military Aviation

ranjithnath · Post by **ranjithnath** » 28 Apr 2011 13:13

Neshant wrote:Excellent documentary on the Mig-27

India is mentioned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUHsx0aFx6c

gr8 find!!but cant help to ask one thing,did the guyz in te beginning of the video just kiss each other??

rajkumar · Post by **rajkumar** » 28 Apr 2011 14:41

gr8 find!!but cant help to ask one thing,did the guyz in te beginning of the video just kiss each other?

Yes and no, its a peck on the cheek. It is the standard way in which Russian men greet each other. Nothing strange about it.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 28 Apr 2011 18:42

IJT crash - pilots safe
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 3#p1078263

narayana · Post by **narayana** » 28 Apr 2011 22:48

shiv wrote:IJT crash - pilots safe
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 3#p1078263

It was the first prototype (S-3466)
http://livefist.blogspot.com/2011/04/da ... ainer.html

Megh · Post by **Megh** » 30 Apr 2011 01:19

Test flight of MiG-29UPG 2011-04-27 (Gromov Flight Research Institute)

from here

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 30 Apr 2011 01:55

Quite a few additions from the plain vanilla Mig-29. I see additions on the side below the cockpit, wingtips and aft of the landing gear. All ECM sort of stuff I presume. Any details on what they are?

Also looks like testing on the earlier addition to the right fin base is complete? They've painted it over with the normal paint.

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 30 Apr 2011 02:59

Megh wrote:Test flight of MiG-29UPG 2011-04-27 (Gromov Flight Research Institute)

from here

Good to see the IFR probe - a feature missing on MiG-27UPG and sorely needed for both aircraft

MN Kumar · Post by **MN Kumar** » 30 Apr 2011 16:43

Guess the Il 76 MDs are undergoing some kind of repairs and repainting in Russia. Here are a few snaps of K3000 in 3 diff states:

Old Paint
Undergoing Painting
Out after new paint

MN Kumar · Post by **MN Kumar** » 30 Apr 2011 16:56

Not directly related to military aviation but good info anyway.

India Sees 100 Seaplanes In Next 10 Years

India wants to introduce 100 seaplanes into service in the next 10 years to support tourism and essential services to its coastal and island territories.

The federal government has allowed 100% foreign direct investment in the seaplane sector and has urged foreign operators to take advantage of the offer. India looks at more foreign direct investment in this sector so seaplanes can be introduced on a large scale not only for tourism, but also to provide essential services and medical aid during floods and other emergencies.

“The international market for seaplanes over the next decade is 1,000 units. I think 10% of that must come to India. That is our target,” says S N A Zaidi, India’s civil aviation secretary.

India has a long coastline and there is a need for strong efforts to promote seaplane operations, he says, as such services are significant to improving the economy of the Anadaman and Nicobar islands and Lakshadweep. India’s Civil Aviation Ministry has created a separate department to oversee seaplane-related infrastructure, safety, security and regulatory issues, he adds.

The ministry is also close to commissioning a study on key issues concerning the seaplane operations in the country.

To encourage waterfront tourism, Pawan Hans Helicopters Ltd., in association with the Andaman & Nicobar Administration, introduced seaplane service to those islands in January, with an eight-passenger Cessna Caravan 208A.

India has a long coastline and there is a need for strong efforts to promote seaplane operations, he says, as such services are significant to improving the economy of the Anadaman and Nicobar islands and Lakshadweep. India’s Civil Aviation Ministry has created a separate department to oversee seaplane-related infrastructure, safety, security and regulatory issues, he adds.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 04 May 2011 21:08

Not directly related to this thread. However, there were reports earlier about Russia charging exorbitant prices for its spares. Guess what, the US isn't that far behind. Greed has no borders

$645 for $12.51 spare part? Boeing gives US Army refund

Boeing charged the Army excessive prices for helicopter spare parts, including $644.75 for a tiny, black plastic motor gear that cost another Pentagon agency $12.51, according to a report by the Defense Department's Inspector General.

Earlier this year, the company refunded $556,006 on the "spur gear" after an audit draft was issued.

The second-largest defense contractor also issued a $76,849 Army refund for a dime-sized, plastic "roller assembly" that costs $7.71. Boeing charged the Army $1,678.61 apiece.

Both parts are installed on the CH-47 Chinook.

The refunds were among $1.6 million Boeing made during the auditing phase or after the draft was issued. The audit cites excessively priced parts or costs based on pricing data that wasn't current, complete or accurate from Boeing's two Corpus Christi, Texas, Army depot contracts valued at about $970 million.
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Overall, based on a sample of 18 "high-dollar parts" used to maintain Army helicopters at Boeing's facilities in Philadelphia and Mesa, Ariz., "we calculated that Boeing charged the Army about $13 million, or 131.5 percent more than fair and reasonable prices," on $23 million in orders, according to the audit.
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I hope the C17/C130 spares don't cost such inflated prices !!

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 05 May 2011 08:36

IAF Chief on a two day visit to Pathankot Air Force Station

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 05 May 2011 08:39

The ceremonial last visits (before he retires in July) will begin soon. You will see a lot of that in the news now. I am going to miss ACM Naik Sir. Straight speak, with a no nonsense attitude and brimming with confidence. He has been an amazing chief.

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 05 May 2011 08:43

Rakesh wrote:The ceremonial last visits (before he retires in July) will begin soon. You will see a lot of that in the news now. I am going to miss ACM Naik Sir. Straight speak, with a no nonsense attitude and brimming with confidence. He has been an amazing chief.

True, thats why 26 Sqn.

JTull · Post by **JTull** » 05 May 2011 20:48

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/index ... le&id=1091

Fun article!

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 07 May 2011 23:46

Lack of heli lift capacity in IAF should be another reason why the government should resurrect the AAF ..

http://www.business-standard.com/india/ ... ds/434820/

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Among the first to be affected is the crucial road being built from Thingbu towards the 18,000-foot Tulung La Pass on the border, so far just a mule track on which the Chinese infiltrated in 1961 to outflank Indian troops ensconced on the mighty Sela Pass. Since BRO was using a Pawan Hans Mi-172 helicopter to carry a dismantled bulldozer to Thingbu, building has been stalled until it flies again. The Indian Air Force has already expressed its inability to support the BRO road building, since its helicopters are fully committed in provisioning the army’s remote border outposts.

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Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 08 May 2011 06:13

^^ when did we have an auxiliary air force??? Don't recall reading about them, ever...

Abhibhushan · Post by **Abhibhushan** » 08 May 2011 19:37

when did we have an auxiliary air force?

We had an auxiliary air force in the late fifties. Five Squadrons based at Delhi / Mumbai (Bombay) / Chennai (Madras) / Kolkata (Calcutta) / Bhubaneshwar were raised. They were absorbed into the regular Air Force in 1962.

For anecdotal reference you can visit
http://tkstales.wordpress.com/2010/03/06/farewell-roxy/
http://tkstales.wordpress.com/2010/03/0 ... oimbatore/
http://tkstales.wordpress.com/2010/03/0 ... tis-delux/

aniket · Post by **aniket** » 10 May 2011 13:57

Instead of resurrecting the auxiliary air force , we can follow the Soviet or American idea.
Establish a contract with private companies and establish a civil auxiliary air force to serve and pitch in when called upon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Reserve_Air_Fleet
OR
Use AirIndia in a role like the USSR used Aeroflot.

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 10 May 2011 14:44

^^Apart from pawan hans, are there any other private operator of medium to heavy heli's that can be used to form the civil airlift reserves??

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 10 May 2011 14:59

i'd worry about civvi helis flying the last mile logistics into mountain bases... dangerous and highly skilled/experienced pilots required. different kettle of fish to flying B737's between major airports (full of materiel and troops)

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 10 May 2011 15:55

the pilot shortage can be worked around.. lack of heli's at a time of emergency cannot, so having a bunch of heli's and some civy pilots trained to fly the safer and easier routes should at least reduce the burden on the entire fleet and giving us more pilots and birds to fly in the tougher location...
JMO...

karan_mc · Post by **karan_mc** » 12 May 2011 07:37

IAF against creating CDS ‘in present format’

Kailash · Post by **Kailash** » 12 May 2011 11:55

Coast guard cancels Rs 1,100 cr marine aircraft RFP

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 12 May 2011 12:47

This Orchestra is a Force to Reckon with

IAF's Air Warrior Symphony Orchestra to Perform in Cubbon Park, Bangalore on Saturday

The Performance will Begin at 5 p.m. Entry to the Concert is Free

In Tune : The Air Warriors create a Feeling of Patriotism through Music.

andy B · Post by **andy B** » 14 May 2011 05:40

Article on Dhruv:

http://ifile.it/208ljif

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 14 May 2011 19:43

andy B wrote:Article on Dhruv:

http://ifile.it/208ljif

Andysaan..
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NRao · Post by **NRao** » 14 May 2011 22:36

Bala Vignesh wrote:
andy B wrote:Article on Dhruv:

http://ifile.it/208ljif
Andysaan..
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Stealth Dhruv.

And we thought the SEALS had the best helo!!!

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 14 May 2011 23:00

Bala Vignesh wrote:
andy B wrote:Article on Dhruv:

http://ifile.it/208ljif
Andysaan..
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Same here.

andy B · Post by **andy B** » 15 May 2011 04:51

Try this one lads dunno what happened with the first one...what to do we are like this onlee

http://ifile.it/hem6ogv/DHRUV%20ALH.zip

NRao wrote:
Stealth Dhruv.

And we thought the SEALS had the best helo!!!

Glad at least somebody picked up the stealth bit

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 15 May 2011 05:26

link works fine for me

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 15 May 2011 12:03

andy B wrote:Try this one lads dunno what happened with the first one...what to do we are like this onlee

http://ifile.it/hem6ogv/DHRUV%20ALH.zip

Thanks for the reupload andy bhai. Your effort in providing us with scans on a regular basis is much appreciated.

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 15 May 2011 12:31

What Stealth?

One of the key points of dhruv is that it is presidential helio for Equador. Wish to see Indian president doing the same (simply a wish).

andy B · Post by **andy B** » 15 May 2011 12:40

chackojoseph wrote:What Stealth?

One of the key points of dhruv is that it is presidential helio for Equador. Wish to see Indian president doing the same (simply a wish).

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Aiyooo Chacko saan...Rao saar was merely poking a stick at the raid in our dearest neighbour's backyard!

The Dhruv being the Pres. Helo for Equador is indeed an achievement.

You forget though it will be nearly impossible for the Indian Pres. Imagine where will the endless entourage of unneeded babus sit hain?

Gaur saar always a pleasure onlee!

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 15 May 2011 12:46

Lol, i was searching the text "stealth" in the pdf

But, Stealth Dhruv did cross my mind after the raid. We make it, we can modify it.

andy B · Post by **andy B** » 15 May 2011 12:49

chackojoseph wrote:Lol, i was searching the text "stealth" in the pdf

But, Stealth Dhruv did cross my mind after the raid. We make it, we can modify it.

This would be an interesting excercise...however IMHO it is the LCH that it should be experimented with given it already has the narrow relatively angular fuselage....JMT

I would think that the Dhruv's radar signature would be relatively less given the high use of carbon composites ityadi...?

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 15 May 2011 12:59

^^^^ One of the other things. it was so glamorous that the helicopter could not lift off, so they blew it up. If it was Dhruv, then poor third world country cannot make choppers that can fly.

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 16 May 2011 00:51

Hunters At Dawn - The Air Battle Of Longewala

[youtube]Y2rh8Qn-iwE&feature=youtu.be&hd=1[/youtube]

© Copyright Rohan Cowasjee

Courtesy = Shiv Aroor

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 16 May 2011 06:58

MiG-29UPG picture cross-posted from keypubs forum

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 16 May 2011 07:21

Latest addition seems to be to a part of the leading edge of the tail?

This picture is clearer than the earlier one, showing protrusion below the cockpit is the refueling probe assembly.

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 16 May 2011 09:56

Prasad wrote:This picture is clearer than the earlier one, showing protrusion below the cockpit is the refueling probe assembly.

Thinking aloud, the probe looks very close to the fuselage. Isn't that a problem?

The M2Ks, Rafales and MKIs have the probes farther away from the fuselage minimising the chances of friction between the hose and the fuselage. Plus, the pilots can see it happening in front of their eyes. Not sure about Mig UPGs though, unless the pilots make make an effort to lean out of the canopy

. JMT.