Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2010

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby abhishek_sharma » 14 Dec 2010 06:54

What to do with Pakistan's High Enriched Uranium (HEU) ?

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/12/13/what_to_do_with_pakistans_heu

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby shiv » 14 Dec 2010 07:12

CRamS wrote:
Rangudu wrote:RIP. Holbrooke was an influential figure, despite his abrasiveness.


I agree, sad to see him go. As much as I hated his "Cashmere and AfPak are related" BS, he was brilliant and could be persuaded through reason and logic, unlike many cold war slime balls.


Well sorry if I sound abrasive myself but this guy could not be persuaded in his lifetime which is as much time as anyone can get - so while hope springs eternal - the persuasion bit was futile and it is just as well that he has vacated his seat.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Ambar » 14 Dec 2010 07:17

Any news on who'll take his place? I sincerely hope none of the future Af-Pak Czar's come from Brezezinski school of 'diplomacy'.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby abhishek_sharma » 14 Dec 2010 07:48

ISI man on Delhi ‘suicide op’ is martyr on Pak Army’s website

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/isi-man-on-delhi-suicide-op-is-martyr-on-pak-armys-website/724425/

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Dipanker » 14 Dec 2010 08:27



If only he had made the right recommendation about AfPak such as caprpet bombing of North Waziristan etc, he would be still alive. Dealing with the Paki duplicity took its toll on him.

Hopefully the person who replaces him, does the right thing.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby abhishek_sharma » 14 Dec 2010 08:42

India links Siachen demilitarisation to progress on Mumbai attacks

http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=2656&Cat=13

Is this another fake PakLeaks? Or something else?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby sum » 14 Dec 2010 08:44

abhishek_sharma wrote:ISI man on Delhi ‘suicide op’ is martyr on Pak Army’s website

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/isi-man-on-delhi-suicide-op-is-martyr-on-pak-armys-website/724425/

Picked up from BR?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby ArmenT » 14 Dec 2010 09:33

sum wrote:
abhishek_sharma wrote:ISI man on Delhi ‘suicide op’ is martyr on Pak Army’s website

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/isi-man-on-delhi-suicide-op-is-martyr-on-pak-armys-website/724425/

Picked up from BR?

Perhaps the Pak Fauj website has been hacked as well.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Pratyush » 14 Dec 2010 09:44

It got picked up from BRF no doubt about that we started discussing it and it shows up in media.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Pratyush » 14 Dec 2010 09:47

The resident WKK of Hindustan times goes on about the Paki leakes

Agent Provocateurs

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Prem » 14 Dec 2010 09:58

Merkel’s cheek http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/Opinions/Editorials/14-Dec-2010/Merkels-cheek
Germany’s Angela Merkel has joined England’s David Cameron and France’s Nicolas Sarkozy – and all three in dutiful compliance with the wishes of the US – to berate Pakistan on that account. They all feel pained at what happened in Mumbai, though they are neither bothered about the leads that show Hindu terrorist hand behind the incident, nor the atrocities that the Indians are perpetrating on the beleaguered Kashmiris who have lost over 80,000 of their kith and kin in the struggle for their legitimate rights. The role of the mastermind that they along with the US had played in bringing into being the terrorist menace stands whitewashed by the blitzkrieg of propaganda. To Ms Merkel, the treatment of minorities in Germany, particularly the second largest, the Turkish, does not appear to be of much concern. Nor the country’s past when gangs like Baader-Meinhof were playing havoc has any place in her reckoning. But the game of putting the blame on Pakistan is motivated by considerations other than the reality on the ground. For one thing, her remark shows, unmistakably, Germany’s readiness to go along with the policies that Washington chalks out to further its plans of global dominance. With the US dominating the world and providing cover for the exploitation of resource-rich, but underdeveloped nations, the allied imperialist thinking powers feel their concerns are well looked after.
For another, the expanding Chinese influence is giving them sleepless nights. India, which for well over half a century sided with the Soviet Union while the US was arraigned against it, quickly shifted its loyalties and joined the Western camp overnight, has been selected to be pampered to take on Beijing should the Western interests are affected. Our leadership should, therefore, not be misled by verbal overtures of US friendship and seriously think of devising an alternative course of action. It should know that Pakistan’s future rests with China.


( Poaks prove the dictum , Khanee Kheere, Maarnia "guppa" te bhaa pushna Badama da) :twisted:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Singha » 14 Dec 2010 10:12

where are zalmay khalilzad and shireen-tahir-kheli these days? I had heard their names wrt AfPak during Bush2 era. also the infamous robin raphael.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby CRamS » 14 Dec 2010 10:26

abhishek_sharma wrote:India links Siachen demilitarisation to progress on Mumbai attacks

http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=2656&Cat=13

Is this another fake PakLeaks? Or something else?


What kind of a crappy quid pro quo is this? The correct position should be no talks, none, until the Mumbai pigs are handed over. No concessions for doing what is required.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Pratyush » 14 Dec 2010 10:31

CRS,

It is another example of Paki leaks unless it is confirmed by the Indian leadership.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby ramana » 14 Dec 2010 10:31

The mofo Digvijay Singh is aiding and comforting the enemy.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby CRamS » 14 Dec 2010 10:50

Dipanker wrote:


If only he had made the right recommendation about AfPak such as caprpet bombing of North Waziristan etc, he would be still alive. Dealing with the Paki duplicity took its toll on him.

Hopefully the person who replaces him, does the right thing.


No doubt about it. The pressure of the job took its toll. But then again, he was dealt a deck of cards, and he had to work within those constraints. During the Balkan crisis, the bombing of Serbia option was always on the table, and hence he could play hard ball with Milosevic. But on AfPak, the carpet bombing of TSP was not even on the horizon, not a chance, and there is no way he could have suggested that to Obama. I think where he erred, in tune with US thinking is believing that TSP is a normal country, and the right inducements (economic aid, political/diploamtic support etc to help it), TSP will see reason. But TSP wants nothing short of India's head on silver platter, and I doubt Holbrooke realized that, or even if he did, he was duty bound not to say so in public. The stress did the poor guy in, no doubt about it.

But belive me, I watched him a lot during the Balkan saga, and the guy is simply brilliant. Lets give him his due. Wish India had diplomats of that caliber. But then again, a diplomat can only be as effective as the power the country he represnets brings to the table. But surely a Holbrooke representing India would be more steadfast with TSP than one of our top guys who was thrilled that the mere admission by TSP that the Mumbai pigs were from TSP was "great progress".

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Prem » 14 Dec 2010 10:59

Wikileake 6972 claim that Deal for Pakistan is they get Kashmir but must commit suicide to last Poak to proove their sincerity for the cause. Kashmir is Jannat. Poaks must be Jannat nasshen to get the entry.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby ramana » 14 Dec 2010 11:01

Boss at the core he wanted India to give Cashmere for TSP to solve US Af-Pak problem. India has good diplomats that they made it clear they don't want any Envoy to Af-Pak-India.


Do you ever think how to break into a club with closed membership?

After 1968 with NPT closing the club, India did break the silence in 1974 and didn't weaponize. The US and PRC thought it was weakness and armed TSP. After this was very clear, India did POKII. Yes the club members were outraged and their poodles barked angrily but after TSP enabled 9/11 and the stalemate in Iraq, the very same club members admitted India while claiming i was to the verandah only.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby SSridhar » 14 Dec 2010 11:13

Pakistan's IT industry, once again
Now, let us take a quick look at where the Pakistan IT industry stands. According to P@sha President Jehan Ara, the Pakistani IT industry’s total size is around $ 2 billion, out of which half accounts for exports. There are 1,100 IT companies and 90,000 professionals employed by them. Humayun Bashir, head of IBM, and Salman pointed out that Pakistan is way ahead in IT infrastructure; compared to many other regional countries it has parallel optic fibre links with the world and the advantage of having a low average per hour rate of $ 4. Talking about the security perception, both physical and data protection, Humayun said that there are companies that go through the data protection audit regularly by international clients. And, as far as personal security is concerned, he explained that the perception is bad internationally, otherwise the ground situation is different. “Last year 140 foreign visitors of the multinational corporations (MNCs) who are members of the Overseas Chamber came to Pakistan and not a single untoward incident happened,” he highlighted.

So where can the IT industries of both countries collaborate to begin with? As Rahul Mohod said, “Let us do the doable first or, as Amin Hashwani, who moderated the meeting is fond of saying, let us get the low-hanging fruits first.” The following good initiatives emerged from the meeting, which can give the Pakistan-India IT industry opportunities to move ahead: global delivery platforms can be established where Pakistani partners take on financial risk and provide for infrastructure, while the Indian IT companies can provide intellectual capital, training and client relationship; Pakistan needs to build its human resource pool and upgrade its existing universities’ IT education. In this regard, India can share its best practices and assist in curriculum development; India is spending something like $ 9 billion on e-government. Pakistan also has some achievements on the ground such as the National Data Registration system, which has provided computerised identity cards to almost 90 percent of the population. This gives both an opportunity to learn from each other’s experiences and best practices. Pick up three or four universities and help them in developing an outsourcing curriculum.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Ambar » 14 Dec 2010 11:46

I fail to fathom what drives the likes of a low level IT chap like Rahul Mohod to billionaire CEO like Anand Mahindra to these Paki organized forums? What are they trying to achieve ? Why not a investment forum on NE states or central states? And our spineless government lets these jokers get away with all this! From AMD to Siemens and Nokia have invited the ire and wrath of western governments for dealing with Iran, but not in SDRE land..no matter how often we are blown to smithereens by Paki piglets, our WKKs from all walks of life are only too happy to do 'gup-shup' with their Paki brothers.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Rajdeep » 14 Dec 2010 11:56

Richard Holbrooke Dead: Diplomat Dies At 69

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/13/richard-holbrooke-dead-dies_n_796235.html

As Holbrooke was sedated for surgery, his final words were to his Pakistani surgeon, family members said: "You've got to stop this war in Afghanistan."

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Philip » 14 Dec 2010 12:31

...and the Paki surgeon "stopped" him! No tears from me for Herr Heil-Brooke.He was the one who linked Pak and Afghanistan,two separate entities and tried to legitimise a permanent Paki suzerainity over Af.,to Indian and Afghan detriment.

His replacement is going to indicate which way the mind of the Mess-iah is tilting."Retreat"...sorry,"disengage with honour" is what the US wants as the ungodly do not wish them to leave with dignity.The Pakis are (to the US) ,the sword with which this Gordian knot can be cut. Thw W-leaks have exposed the US admin's frustration with the Pakis.Past time to send in the B-52s,what?!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby CRamS » 14 Dec 2010 12:37

Ambar wrote:I fail to fathom what drives the likes of a low level IT chap like Rahul Mohod to billionaire CEO like Anand Mahindra to these Paki organized forums? What are they trying to achieve ? Why not a investment forum on NE states or central states? And our spineless government lets these jokers get away with all this! From AMD to Siemens and Nokia have invited the ire and wrath of western governments for dealing with Iran, but not in SDRE land..no matter how often we are blown to smithereens by Paki piglets, our WKKs from all walks of life are only too happy to do 'gup-shup' with their Paki brothers.


Lack of self respect & sense of nationalism, and not to mention cowardice. Nothing else characterizes this kind of stockholm-syndrom induced behavior in the face of brazen attacks on India by Paki piglets.

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Postby CRamS » 14 Dec 2010 12:41

I tried calling into NPR talk of the nation but couldn't get through. The guests were Bob Woodward & Ted Koppel. Ted Koppel repeatedly asked the question as to why there is no aggressive focus on TSP when its obvious they are the villians in the plot, but got no good answers. I would have provided some, but couldn't get through :-).

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Gagan » 14 Dec 2010 12:47

Well,
His final words do say it all don't they. The pakis have created this war and are now sustaining this war in Afghanistan, and with US's own money!
Although the US finally de-hyphenated India from munna, and rightly Hyphenated Af-Pak together, the undying wish of the honchos was always to dump the paki problem on to India. Pakistan is eager to do that, and the working premise has always been, to weather it out in Af-Pak so that they may attack India with their Jihadis once they are done with Afghanistan.

Kiyani is the guy in munna-land who is directing his jihadi forces to first ride the US out in af pak and then has all the plans to direct them to J&K.

So Richard Holbrooke did what he could within the boundaries that he was allowed to act. From the Indian POV, it would appear that there was a malicious intent on J&K, which it seems manifests in MMS's J&K deal that BRFites so worry about. With Holbrooke gone, MMS must be somewhat relieved. I wonder who is going to replace holbrooke.

I hope it is not Robin Raphel.

Well Richard Holbrooke served the US's interests well as a true patriot, so RIP.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Gagan » 14 Dec 2010 12:55

CRamS wrote:I tried calling into NPR talk of the nation but couldn't get through. The guests were Bob Woodward & Ted Koppel. Ted Koppel repeatedly asked the question as to why there is no aggressive focus on TSP when its obvious they are the villians in the plot, but got no good answers.

Massa is not a fool.
It is not possible that massa is having his soldiers attacked in afghanistan, its homeland a target of Jihadis, and there isn't going to be a payback.

The 3000 man strong afghan strike team set up by massa which is operating in FATA is the tip of the iceberg. Pakistan is being paid back in the same currency that it used on others.

The thing to understand is that, Pakistan is too big, and has N bums - even if of doubtful capability, to be carpet bombed with B-52s. Won't happen.

BTW, should that happen, who do the brfites think will the pakis attack?

The answer is not cyanide, but arsenic.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby r_subramanian » 14 Dec 2010 13:24

The online versions of Dawn and News International report that 'Blast reported in DI Khan'. No details are provided


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby SSridhar » 14 Dec 2010 14:12

Rajdeep wrote:Richard Holbrooke Dead: Diplomat Dies At 69

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/13/richard-holbrooke-dead-dies_n_796235.html

As Holbrooke was sedated for surgery, his final words were to his Pakistani surgeon, family members said: "You've got to stop this war in Afghanistan."


RIP, Mr. Holbrooke. You have served quite well for your country and that must be recognized.

I used to debate within myself if the Americans were chankian personified or were dumb as far as Pakistan went. I could never come to a conclusion. I am sure this question has dogged several minds here as well. However, I am now convinced that the Americans have absolutely no clue at all.

Mr. Holbrooke probably knew that he was having a serious health problem and so it is reasonable to surmise that the words he spoke before the surgery came from the bottom of his heart. If he truly believed that somehow Pakistanis could stop or help stop the mad war in Afghanistan, then he hasn't understood Pakistan at all. Why was Pakistan so deeply involved in Afghanistan willing to go to extraordinary lengths and staking everything ? If he thought it was Cashmere, he didn't understand the problem at all. May be, the Indian diplomats haven't presented their assessment of Pakistan clearly. If the Viceroy himself was clueless, what about the minions ? And, what sort of advice would have gone back to the American President ?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby SSridhar » 14 Dec 2010 14:14

abhishek_sharma wrote:Pak owning 'suicide bomber' makes its intentions clear: Army Chief

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Pak-owning-suicide-bomber-makes-its-intentions-clear-Army-Chief/articleshow/7098242.cms

I hope the Army Chief investigated the matter closely before making the above statement.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby shiv » 14 Dec 2010 14:19

CRamS wrote:But belive me, I watched him a lot during the Balkan saga, and the guy is simply brilliant. Lets give him his due.


Speak for yourself. You give him what you owe him boss. Please do not include me in your admiration. I think Holebrook was more hole than whole. I am glad to see him gone. Good riddance.

Sridhar nobody can know that he is going to get an aortic dissection. It is usually totally without symptoms before is starts and it kills quickly so no point making a martyr out of a person who was damaging to India.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby jerry » 14 Dec 2010 14:21

Breaking News...
Pakistan ambassador to the US Hussian Haqqani has resigned from his post as the ambassador and has accepted the position of President's Obama's special envoy to Pakistan & Afghanistan.
The former ambassador said this is a dream come true and it all because of shaheed Banazir Bhutto. only a two timing slimball can say this
confirms sridhar's statment :D
I used to debate within myself if the Americans were chankian personified or were dumb as far as Pakistan went. I could never come to a conclusion. I am sure this question has dogged several minds here as well. However, I am now convinced that the Americans have absolutely no clue at all.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Narad » 14 Dec 2010 14:23

WTF??

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby abhishek_sharma » 14 Dec 2010 14:24

Is he a citizen of Pak or US?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Kritavarman » 14 Dec 2010 14:34

Jerry:: source?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby JE Menon » 14 Dec 2010 14:47

Ah... the wagons are being circled back in Pindi.

Expect momentous news in the weeks ahead gents.

Building a global consensus takes time, effort and sagacity. We are getting there.

Do not assume that these comments coming from the various leaders, including all the P5 except one, are random occurrences.

But, it is not the end game. Not yet.

Pakistan's state managers will have to decide whether they will change, from within, the way the country operates, based on their assessment of whether the country itself can be "changed" from without. I am not optimistic about their capacity for such assessment.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Ambar » 14 Dec 2010 15:06

I couldn't find anything about Hussain Haqqani being the next Af-Pak envoy. It is an absolute no brainer to select yet another Pakistani national as a US front-man when there are tons of other Pakis doing the janitor's job without being driven around in black,US flag clad Chevy Tahoes. If by some freak accident this news is indeed true, then it just adds another feather to Obama's hat made up of monumental blunders.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby jerry » 14 Dec 2010 15:07

Kritavarman wrote:Jerry:: source?

sorry no source but that's the buzz

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby amit » 14 Dec 2010 15:11

jerry wrote:
Kritavarman wrote:Jerry:: source?

sorry no source but that's the buzz


The Paki Amby to the US is going to be appointed US Amby to solve the AF-Pak problem? Boss some real potent stuff is creating the buzz. I suggest you forget about Haqqani and instead try to find that stuff and share the joy with your fellow BRFites! :)


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