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shiv wrote:A sudden thought. I'm no engineer, but I am told that one way of building certain structures is to "pre stress" them. A "pre stressed structure" is under stress even before it is utilized. It has a potential springiness that is ready and waiting to counteract opposing force that it is designed to oppose. The pre stressed material is "comfortable" and performing what it was designed for when that opposing force is applied.

\SNIP.......... SNIP..............
The "pre stressing" of Islam starts in childhood with the indoctrination "We are good-others are bad". But we have been though all his in years past. Sorry. OT

But for a non Islamic society to survive it is essential to oppose Islam. The only other alternative is to bend. So conflict is inevitable and necessary. No way around it. No point being squeamish or apologetic. If this called Islamophobia, so what? No point being squeamish or phobic about being called names.
Taking the exapmpe further to the TSP society. It is clear that it is the stress created by the Indian threat that keeps it together.

But in engineering even a pre-stressed structure can crash down when the stress goes beyond its ability to bear.

What is the level of stress that can be brought to bear on the TSP society to make sure that it breaks down to an extent that it can be rebuild in a way desired by us. Sort of Maculasation(??) of TSP society.
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NUGGETS

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Taliban stone woman to death

Reported in Nawa-e-Waqt, the Taliban of Orakzai stoned a local woman to death after accusing her of roaming around with a na-mehram (non-relative) which they adjudged as enough to prove that she had committed fornication. The local clergy oversaw the killing and determined when to stop hitting her head with big stones. Earlier they had cut the hands of two men for theft and thrown them in a street in Kohat.

Killed for criticising ‘stoning’

Reported in Nawa-e-Waqt, Dr Muhammad Farooq Khan, a medical doctor and Islamic scholar from Mardan, who was recently appointed vice-chancellor of Swat University, was killed in his clinic in Mardan after he denounced the stoning to death of a woman by the Taliban in Orakzai. He was a frequent guest on TV talk shows representing moderate opinion in Islam.

Court awards cutting of leg

As reported in Jinnah, a sessions judge in Hafizabad in Punjab awarded the cutting of leg to a man found guilty of cutting the leg of another person. In addition, he will spend 37 years in jail. The convicted person was involved in a vendetta in which a bullet fired by him caused a man to lose his leg.

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Swap Aafiya with a Briton!


Daily Nawa-e-Waqt reported that Taliban had come to the help of Dr Aafiya Siddiqi, saying they would release a British lady in their custody if the Americans would release Aafiya. The family of Dr Aafiya had denied that she was in any way connected with the Taliban. The Taliban said that they had captured the British lady in Kunar after hearing that Dr Aafiya had been sentenced.

Allama Turabi’s killers given death sentence

According to Express, Allama Hasan Turabi, the Shia scholar killed by a suicide-bomber in 2006, were given death sentence by a terrorism court judge in Karachi after four hears of litigation. The paper abstained from naming the organisation the three belonged to. (Not even the English newspapers could dare to name the organisation.)

Iranian pipeline only 50 km from Pakistan!

Daily Nawa-e-Waqt reported that the Iranian Oil Company had told Pakistan that the gas pipeline that will bring gas to Pakistan was complete up to 900 km and was only 50 km from the Pakistani border. Soon the Iranian gas would be available to Pakistan.


‘India not stopping our water’


Quoted in daily Pakistan, federal minister water and power Pervez Ashraf said that India was not capable of stopping Pakistan’s river water and has not committed any violence of the Indus Treaty. He said that India was entitled to take some water from rivers apportioned to Pakistan by the Treaty, but it was not even taking the water it was entitled to.

America against Pakistan

Writing in Jang, Irfan Siddiqi quoted American writer Bob Woodward from his book Obama’s wars stating that a briefing told Obama that Pakistan was a particularly dishonest ally in the war against terrorism. It tells us lies and, with two billions dollars every year its army, the ISI secretly helps the Taliban in Afghanistan to kill Americans. The ISI has many internal cells led by many powerful individuals. Some were bought off by the CIA but one directorate called ‘S’ is actively organising the Taliban.

NGOs run by Qadianis

Peshawar-based newspaper, thought to be the organ of banned jihadi organisations, Al Qalam stated that NGOs were working for enemies of Pakistan. Pak India Forum led by IA Rehman and Asma Jehangir were working for non-Muslims and badmouthing Islamic laws while living in an Islamic state. Human Rights Commission of Pakistan officer bearer in Karachi Haider Zaman was a Qadiani. In Lahore, IA Rehman and Hussain Naqi are Qadiani. The leader of Shirkatgah, one called ‘Farida’ is Qadiani. It said two office-bearers of Islamic Human Rights Forum Pakistan were researching the case: Hafiz Abdur Rehman Madni and Muhammad Ataullah Siddiqi.

Wukla violence reaches chief justice

Daily Pakistan reported that the wave of wukla violence that spread among the lawyers of Pakistan reached the court of the chief justice of Lahore High Court where strange-looking creatures called wukla broke the window panes of the chamber and made the chief justice escape along with other judges. Police came and did hatha-pai (wrestling) with them and arrested a hundred of them. The wukla wanted the chief justice to transfer a sessions judge. The Lahore High Court judges wanted to go on strike in protest against the wild lawyers but the chief justice persuaded them to carry on their work.

Black sheep giving birth

Punjab law minister Rana Sanaullah was quoted by Jinnah as saying that lawyer trouble in Lahore was instigated by federal law minister Babar Awan who had given money to the rebellious Lahore Bar lawyers. He said Babar Awan was a black sheep among lawyers who was busy giving birth to more black sheep :) as it wandered around the country. In retort, PPP secretary Information Fauzia Wahab said that Rana Sanaullah was a vendor of tooth-paste :D interested in only spreading mischief.

Ulema divided over ‘hello’

Reported in Jinnah, a majority of the clerics in Pakistan decided to support the fatwa of the clerics of Saudi Arabia that saying hello over the telephone was forbidden because hello contained the word hell which the West had invented to make Muslims send each other to hell. But Jamia Naeemia, whose leader was killed by the Taliban, stood firm by its opinion that hello was simply a way of attracting attention and had nothing to do with hell. Most maulanas however thought that saying salam-o-alaikam was better for Muslims.
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Five women buried alive in Balochistan for selecting their partners in marriage-Animal planet in action-

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SSridhar wrote:NUGGETS

Ulema divided over ‘hello’

Reported in Jinnah, a majority of the clerics in Pakistan decided to support the fatwa of the clerics of Saudi Arabia that saying hello over the telephone was forbidden because hello contained the word hell which the West had invented to make Muslims send each other to hell. But Jamia Naeemia, whose leader was killed by the Taliban, stood firm by its opinion that hello was simply a way of attracting attention and had nothing to do with hell. Most maulanas however thought that saying salam-o-alaikam was better for Muslims.
Maulana has the word 'lan' in it and that means BENIS is chinese. So is that a conspiracy by taller mountain to defame the pure? Perhaps they should stop using that word...
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saying hello over the telephone was forbidden because hello contained the word hell which the West had invented to make Muslims send each other to hell.


:lol: You fools, it is a simple statement of fact hello ie hell is low.

What do they make of Muhammad?
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DG, Naval Intelligence (Retd) willing to spill the beans
The Agosta submarine deal which led to the ISI killing 11 French engineers in Karachi.
As public pressure in France mounts on President Nicolas Sarkozi to testify over alleged corruption in the sale of French submarines to Pakistan in the mid-90s, the then Director General Naval Intelligence (DGNI) of Pakistan Navy has offered help to Islamabad and Paris to book the corrupt and bring back the looted money to Pakistan.

Talking to The News, former DGNI Commodore Shahid Ashraf, who by his own account was tortured, harassed and put under illegal custody by the sleuths he once commanded and prematurely retired from the service “for knowing too much about the commission mafia in defence forces”, said that he was willing to cooperate with the Pakistani as well as French authorities. “I have a lot to share with them about the kickbacks in the Agosta submarine deal,” he insisted.

Ashraf, in a recent interview with this newspaper, disclosed certain details of the Agosta submarine deal and revealed while the deal had led to the removal of the then Chief of Naval Staff (CNS) Admiral Mansurul Haq and the framing of a corruption reference against Benazir Bhutto and Asif Ali Zardari but those mighty and powerful in the navy, who made millions of dollars from the deal, were never held accountable. The cover-up in the submarine deal, according to the former DGNI, was meant to save the skin of many in the Pakistan Navy.
To force his silence, he said, he was maliciously charged for getting Rs1.5 million from a naval officer, who was alleged to have got illegal gratification and kickbacks from foreign suppliers of the naval vessels, etc., but was ‘interestingly’ made an approver against the DGNI. On the contrary, a list of naval officers, who were alleged to have received kickbacks, were never touched. Instead, they were promoted as rear admirals.


It is pertinent to point out that a Feb 17, 1995 letter, issued by SOFMA (the French company that was involved in the Agosta deal), talked of making payment of $40,000 to each of the four naval officers whose names were mentioned in the same letter. Instead of probing the four officers, however, each one of them was later elevated as a rear admiral while the DGNI was taken to task for alleged corruption of Rs1.5 million. Interestingly, he was alleged to have received this money from a naval officer, who was getting money from foreign suppliers of the defence deals. As being the DGNI, he had even sought permission of his high command to catch an agent, who was giving bribe money to naval officers but was not allowed to do so.

Besides the then DGNI, the former naval chief Admiral Abdul Aziz Mirza has recently also given credence to the French investigative report that talked of almost $49 million kickbacks in the Agosta-submarine deal allegedly received by President Asif Ali Zardari and others, including the naval officers.

Recently, in an interview with The News, Aziz Mirza had also disclosed that the then Benazir government had urged the Pakistan Navy to go for the French subs. Mirza, while quoting the then Naval Chief Admiral Saeed Khan, had revealed that Benazir Bhutto’s Defence Minister Aftab Shabaan Mirani had clearly indicated to the Pakistan Navy’s high command the Benazir’s government’s preference for the induction of the French submarines.

Despite these clear verbal directions from the defence minister, the naval top command, according to Mirza, had again met and deliberated upon the subject and decided to recommend two options to the government namely the British Upholder and the French Agosta. The government later approved the induction of Agosta. Mirza, who led the Pakistan Navy from Oct 1999 to Oct 2002, said that the Navy first formally came to know about the kickbacks in the Agosta deal in 1998 following which it had proceeded against three officials of the ranks of captain and commodore for taking bribes and they were removed from service.
“My hunch is that besides the politicians, some top ranking naval officers even above the rank of commodore might have also received kickbacks as reflected in the recent French media reports, however, they (the top Naval officials) remained undetected for want of proof or witnesses,” Mirza was quoted to have said, claiming that even the condemned former naval chief Masoor Ul Haq was not convicted of Agosta kickbacks but for the bribes that he had pocketed in the other defence deals.
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Is the former DGNI trying to shift his residence from Pakistan to France?

For British vija one has to be Islamist, for Canadian vija one has to be a rape victim, for French vija may be one has to be a bean-spiller!
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US delivers six F-16 aircraft to Pakistan
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Saturday received six new F-16 C/D Block 52 high tech aircraft from the United States.

The six new F-16s have brought the number of such fighter aircraft in the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) to 12.

Pakistan had signed a contract with the United States in 2005-2006 for the acquisition of 18 F-16 C/D Block 52 planes.

Under the agreement, the PAF would receive the 18 aircraft from the US in staggered batches.

Another batch of six F-16 C/D Block 52 aircraft is expected to be delivered to Pakistan in December 2010. — DawnNews/Agencies
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Pakistan denies receiving new proposals from India
Basit said that 'Pakistan is eager to resume the process of dialogue but is not willing to do it just for photo-sessions'.
that they do in amreeka in guise of strategic dialog
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Mystery surrounds Shoaib Malik's Asian Games village stay sans 'accreditation card'
Pakistan cricketer Shoaib Malik's conspicuous presence at the Guangzhou Asian Games athletes' village has surprised his country's contingent there, as the Pakistan Olympic Association (POA) has denied issuing him any accreditation card- a prerequisite for his stay.

Only those athletes are allowed to stay at the Games village, who are either representing their respective countries or have been issued special passes by the Olympic committee, The News reported.

A POA official in Guangzhou said, "When we spotted Shoaib Malik in the Asian Games village, we were also surprised as being a Pakistani he should have contacted us for issuing him a necessary card to visit the Village. It is not clear whether he is staying in the Village or whether he turns up every day to meet his wife."

Shoaib's wife, Sania Mirza, is representing India in the Games' tennis event, and is one of the favourites to win the ladies' single title. On Thursday, Sania had dedicated her opening Asian Games win to her husband, Malik.

The POA official confirmed that Malik was seen regularly at the Games Village, and that could not be possible without staying there. "We have no idea how he manages to spend so much time in the village," he said.

"He must be having accreditation card and that is the reason why he is here. However, the POA has nothing to do with his accreditation," he added.

He pointed out that they had also noticed the former cricket captain turning up either earlier or late for dining, probably in a bid to avoid being seen by Pakistani sportsmen.

Days before Eid-ul-Azha, Malik was spotted regularly in the athletes' village, dining and passing time. However, it is not clear whether he returned to Pakistan to celebrate Eid, or is still in the Games village in China. (ANI)

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Jamaat-e-Islami Leader: US Plotting to Split Pakistan into 3 Parts
"The ultimate goal of the US is splitting Pakistan into three geographical, ethnic and religious parts and eventually divesting the country of its atomic weapons in order to make India a small superpower (in the region)," Siraj ul Haq told FNA.
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Five shot, injured in Pakistan over ludo game dispute


A Pakistani policeman was fighting for his life, while four other people were also hospitalised after they were shot at Saturday when they got into a dispute while playing a game of ludo in Faisalabad city, a media report said.

A man opened fire after he lost a bet while playing the game in Faisalabad in Punjab province, the Online news agency reported. A bullet hit the policeman in the head, and he and the other injured were rushed to a hospital.The condition of the policeman was serious, hospital authorities said.
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shiv wrote:A sudden thought. I'm no engineer, but I am told that one way of building certain structures is to "pre stress" them. A "pre stressed structure" is under stress even before it is utilized. It has a potential springiness that is ready and waiting to counteract opposing force that it is designed to oppose. The pre stressed material is "comfortable" and performing what it was designed for when that opposing force is applied.

...
Maybe a simpler explanation: ODD—Oppositional Defiant Disorder

http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides ... classifier

Fits the Pakis to a P

A subset of this disorder is 'strategic defiance' :)
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shravan wrote:Five shot, injured in Pakistan over ludo game dispute


A Pakistani policeman was fighting for his life, while four other people were also hospitalised after they were shot at Saturday when they got into a dispute while playing a game of ludo in Faisalabad city, a media report said.

A man opened fire after he lost a bet while playing the game in Faisalabad in Punjab province, the Online news agency reported. A bullet hit the policeman in the head, and he and the other injured were rushed to a hospital.The condition of the policeman was serious, hospital authorities said.
Wow! Pullet hit Baki in the head and he is still alive! Proves the theory that Bakis have no brains. I think GOI should immediately air drop about 40 million Ludo kits to Pakistan
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Editor of Financial Times: Visit to India and Pajistan
Posting parts of the visit to pakhanistan (the Indian part is the usual billionaires and poverty diatribe).

Seven days in south Asia

Saturday: Delhi-Amritsar-Lahore
A private security guard looks on. He will be a permanent presence during our 48-hour whistle-stop tour of the country.
Salman Taseer, the governor of Punjab, receives us in his official residence, another relic of the Raj featuring stunning gardens (mini golf courses?) and spacious rooms with high ceilings. The governor is a slightly louche individual with slick black hair and an imperious tone. His opening statement lasts 10 minutes and can be reduced to one sentence: Pakistan is not Afghanistan. Louche is defined as dubious; shady; disreputable
Pakistan is a vibrant democracy. It has an educated middle class, a civilian government and a free press,” says the governor :rotfl:
“Swat was a watershed,” says the governor, echoing Hillary Clinton’s comment that the insurgency is an existential threat to the Pakistani state. The governor labels the insurgents a mixture of foreign fighters, smugglers and bandits with no links to Islam: in his words, “brainwashed, illiterate tribes”.
We turn to the floods, the worst for almost a century and a hammer blow on top of the insurgency. The governor rejects charges that the authorities were slow to respond. He himself was a regular visitor to the frontline in the poorest areas of the Punjab. When aid workers handed out 1,000 rupee notes (£14), the victims were baffled. “They’d never seen a thousand rupees,” the governor explains. “They had nothing to lose.”


Sunday: Islamabad
We are holed up in Islamabad at the Serena Hotel, a walled fortress with a gym, defended on all sides by armed guards with rifles and sub-machine guns, checkpoints, cinder blocks and barbed wire.

Our final stop is a private dinner with President Zardari himself in his own concrete fortress compound. At least 10 heavily armed bodyguards stand by as we ascend to the private quarters.
Known as “Mr Ten Per Cent” for his business proclivities, he constantly invokes his beloved Benazir. Questions are politely deflected or ignored, until I press him on the widely held official view that Pakistan needs “assets” in Afghanistan to influence a final power settlement. The president starts momentarily before breaking into a forced smile: “When you wear gold earrings and they are too heavy, you take them off.” :roll:
At the end of a stupendous seven days in South Asia, I am left with an unnerving thought. It just may be too late for Pakistan – and that is why the fate of this poor, Islamist, nuclear-armed country carries such importance for India, the region and the rest of the world.
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anupmisra wrote:Editor of Financial Times: Visit to India and Pajistan

I press him on the widely held official view that Pakistan needs “assets” in Afghanistan to influence a final power settlement. The president starts momentarily before breaking into a forced smile: “When you wear gold earrings and they are too heavy, you take them off.” :roll:
I think he means that Pakistan's assets in Afghanistan are causing more trouble to Pakistan, then they are worth, and Pakistani Army should forget about trying to gain control over these assets.

Indeed a very wise man!!! :)
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anupmisra wrote:Editor of Financial Times: Visit to India and Pajistan
Posting parts of the visit to pakhanistan (the Indian part is the usual billionaires and poverty diatribe).

Seven days in south Asia
When I read tripe like this, it is all the more lamentable that India is a banana republic. First of all, why is it that the PM of India has to meet a pipsqueak reporter from a western rag? He has nothing better to do than pay obeissance to a gora Sahib?

Next, I wonder if all those students and elites who were sucking up to him in various metros in India recall how the FT rag covered the Mumbai attacks the morning after: you guessed it, FT joined the elite grouping that includes TSP's rag Nation, comics like Shirleen, Zahid Hamid who were unanimous in declaring that the barabarity was unleashed by "Hindu extremists", and the unequivocal "proof" of this caricature of what was an act of war by TSP were the saffron bands allegedly worn by the terrorists.
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CRamS wrote: When I read tripe like this, it is all the more lamentable that India is a banana republic.
I am sorry, I do not know how to be more polite than this, so here it goes.
When I read crap like your post above, I am naturally inclined towards the warning button. You sir are a serial whiner and most users simply tolerate your crap day in and day out. Let me tell you this in simple words - don't push it.
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archan wrote: I am sorry, I do not know how to be more polite than this, so here it goes.
When I read crap like your post above, I am naturally inclined towards the warning button. You sir are a serial whiner and most users simply tolerate your crap day in and day out. Let me tell you this in simple words - don't push it.
Sir, no whining. Let me ask this? Do you think an Indian reporter, even an editor of a premier Indian newspaper can go on a tour of UK, and get a one on one meeting with David Cameron? Thats my point. An Indian PM should not dignify talking to a western reporter, however elite he/she might be, especially a rag like FT who blamed "Hindu extremists" for Mumbai.
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I am sorry that the PM of India does not take your permission on who he should meet and who he should ignore. However adjectives like "banana republic" carry a meaning, and should not be thrown about lightly. Your criticism reeks of a frustrated political agenda when you start calling a functioning democracy as a banana republic. Of course, no one is claiming it is a perfect democracy, but tell me which one is? self goalitis is a disease and I intend to make sure it does not become an epidemic here. What how you vent your frustrations in the future. Having watched you for years, I of course don't expect anything other than whines in your posts, but make sure your don't cross the line.
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FIA submits report on CID blast to Interior Ministry

Here's the part that should raise red flags all over the sub-continent:
Moreover, 400-500 kilograms of TNT was used in the attack, sources quoted the report as saying. Furthermore, the report stated that Karachi has several groups that can stage an attack of this kind.
Add LaWhore, Pindichana, Slamerbad, Quitter, Swatter and Pissahour to that list and you have a country ready to implode.
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archan wrote:I am sorry that the PM of India does not take your permission on who he should meet and who he should ignore. However adjectives like "banana republic" carry a meaning, and should not be thrown about lightly. Your criticism reeks of a frustrated political agenda when you start calling a functioning democracy as a banana republic. Of course, no one is claiming it is a perfect democracy, but tell me which one is? self goalitis is a disease and I intend to make sure it does not become an epidemic here. What how you vent your frustrations in the future. Having watched you for years, I of course don't expect anything other than whines in your posts, but make sure your don't cross the line.
OK, I take back back the banana republic statement. And yes, there is no perfect democracy. But come on, its not a question of my permsssion or approval. A country's PM, aspiring to be a superpower should not give the time of the day to a pipsqueak reporter of a rag like FT on an equal equal mission to "South Asia". Can we agree on this much? A few years ago, I could not believe the arrogance of a local TV station reporter in NYCwho was demanding a one on one interview with PM Vajpayee. Aceeding to such requests brings India down to the level of TSP. Look at Mush running around US and giving an interview to anyone who would give him 5 minutes.
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I think CRamS has a valid general point. But what the aam junta don't realise is that the political class in India can be very hard-headed. I know of a certain dignitary from India who was very frank and very offensive in remarks to an academic in Canada-of course never a word in the press.

Two recent examples-one is from the same article, the F.O. lady peremptorily suggesting Britons introspect on the mess they left in India. Another is the remark during the MMS visit and nuclear negotiations in Japan-a spokesman actually went on record to state that it would be inconceivable to offer Japan anything more than India gave to the US. This is unheard of for diplomats from 'respectable' countries.
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Crams Ji certainly has a valid point. Just remove the 'banana republic' part, coz as mentioned by Archan India indeed is a functioning democracy and the chaos (demands for corrective action/ hungama in parliament) in all the scams shows just that. Crams Ji, i think if the ET did say Hindu terrorists or for that matter India itself were/ was behind 26-11, i completely agree with you that not just the PM but any Junior State Minister should not be granting any exclusive interview to these folks. It;s really a very good point IMHO. Request please if you could post that piece/ article that said so. Thanks as i would like to get that point across some other places too.
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CRamS wrote:
archan wrote:I am sorry that the PM of India does not take your permission on who he should meet and who he should ignore. However adjectives like "banana republic" carry a meaning, and should not be thrown about lightly. Your criticism reeks of a frustrated political agenda when you start calling a functioning democracy as a banana republic. Of course, no one is claiming it is a perfect democracy, but tell me which one is? self goalitis is a disease and I intend to make sure it does not become an epidemic here. What how you vent your frustrations in the future. Having watched you for years, I of course don't expect anything other than whines in your posts, but make sure your don't cross the line.
OK, I take back back the banana republic statement. And yes, there is no perfect democracy. But come on, its not a question of my permsssion or approval. A country's PM, aspiring to be a superpower should not give the time of the day to a pipsqueak reporter of a rag like FT on an equal equal mission to "South Asia". Can we agree on this much? A few years ago, I could not believe the arrogance of a local TV station reporter in NYCwho was demanding a one on one interview with PM Vajpayee. Aceeding to such requests brings India down to the level of TSP. Look at Mush running around US and giving an interview to anyone who would give him 5 minutes.
It's not the reporter. It's the audience. FT is an important audience (CEOs) for FDI
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HarbansJi,

I did some googling, but couldn't locate the specific article from FT. But believe me, FT did have such a report and was beng circulated with glee by TSPins soon after Mumbai. Perhaphs others can chime in if they have a copy of this FT report?
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Harbans et. all, I found it. Only problem is that FT is a subscriptions only (you can register free of charge), and they say no cut & paste of entire article. So here is the URL I get after I search usng the phrase: "mumbai terror Hindu", and apply the date filter 11/25/08 through 11/30/08. The second search return:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b77572d0-bcbc ... z15rIVY1jT

Both Islamist and Hindu extremists have been bombing their way across India in an attempt to polarise opinion, especially ahead of general elections next year. Some of these appear to have been “false flag” attacks, including by Hindu supremacists masquerading as jihadis. One of the Mumbai attackers, presumed to be Islamists, was photographed wearing a sacred Hindu thread around his wrist.
Should an Indian PM dignify the editor of such a rag?
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Crams JI thats Ok. Will try and locate that myself and other News media that did do so. It's in India's interests that we be wary of such.

It's not the reporter. It's the audience. FT is an important audience (CEOs) for FDI

And have you read that report '7 days in South Asia'? Everything about it is disgustingly condescending including his distaste of another Englishman who he thinks has the Delhi Belly. In the middle i was thinking hey he's not got India's toilets in at least, but a paragraph more he did bring that in with India's telecom revolution. Made for disgusting reading. CRamsji is right. This reporter and ET should not have been dignified by MMS even for an exchange of views. Completely a 3rd rate crappy, condescending report. Any Indian with a semblence of self respect would indeed nail the report as 3rd rate condescending Crap.

Added Later: Thanks Crams Ji for the find. I am in agreement with your take. That (article) does certainly suggest that the Mumbai event was False Flag. No better than Paki media reporting really.
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Cosmo_R wrote:It's not the reporter. It's the audience. FT is an important audience (CEOs) for FDI
I get the part about the audience. But like the PRC, rules can be set so as to encourage good behavior. FT needs access just as much as any other publication.
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-self edited, no point in venting on corruption in the thread, will be OT-
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harbans wrote:Crams JI thats Ok. Will try and locate that myself and other News media that did do so. It's in India's interests that we be wary of such.

It's not the reporter. It's the audience. FT is an important audience (CEOs) for FDI

And have you read that report '7 days in South Asia'? Everything about it is disgustingly condescending including his distaste of another Englishman who he thinks has the Delhi Belly. In the middle i was thinking hey he's not got India's toilets in at least, but a paragraph more he did bring that in with India's telecom revolution. Made for disgusting reading. CRamsji is right. This reporter and ET should not have been dignified by MMS even for an exchange of views. Completely a 3rd rate crappy, condescending report. Any Indian with a semblence of self respect would indeed nail the report as 3rd rate condescending Crap.

Added Later: Thanks Crams Ji for the find. I am in agreement with your take. That (article) does certainly suggest that the Mumbai event was False Flag. No better than Paki media reporting really.

I am confused. Is this (excerpt) that is being referred to:?

"Both Islamist and Hindu extremists have been bombing their way across India in an attempt to polarise opinion, especially ahead of general elections next year. Some of these appear to have been "false flag" attacks, including by Hindu supremacists masquerading as jihadis. One of the Mumbai attackers, presumed to be Islamists, was photographed wearing a sacred Hindu thread around his wrist. "

There is no byline on that story. Who did MMS give the interview to? James Lamont?

The reason I ask is without a byline, that 'comment' could have been an FT Editor in UKistan (read a paki editor). It does not sound like Lamont. I have googled for Lamont and "Mumbai comes under siege" and nothing turns up.

For the moment, I think it is Farhan Bohkari (paki) who wrote that piece. Appreciate a heads up on whether he wrote the story and if he was the one who interviewed MMS.

The dengue story is probably amplified by the fact that (he claims) his family caught dengue.
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harbans wrote:Crams JI thats Ok. Will try and locate that myself and other News media that did do so. It's in India's interests that we be wary of such.

It's not the reporter. It's the audience. FT is an important audience (CEOs) for FDI

And have you read that report '7 days in South Asia'? Everything about it is disgustingly condescending including his distaste of another Englishman who he thinks has the Delhi Belly. In the middle i was thinking hey he's not got India's toilets in at least, but a paragraph more he did bring that in with India's telecom revolution. Made for disgusting reading. CRamsji is right. This reporter and ET should not have been dignified by MMS even for an exchange of views. Completely a 3rd rate crappy, condescending report. Any Indian with a semblence of self respect would indeed nail the report as 3rd rate condescending Crap.

Added Later: Thanks Crams Ji for the find. I am in agreement with your take. That (article) does certainly suggest that the Mumbai event was False Flag. No better than Paki media reporting really.
Just a point. When people give interviews to western reporters they often don't have any inkling of how the eventual story gets written. MMS may have thought of it as a good way to get India's agenda (more) out in front of western business honchos. It is probably the case that there is no systematic procedure in place, to control access to media. And after listening to some of the G2 tapes I think that principle and policy usually take a back seat to controlling and selling access to the "big people."

I don't think all that adds up to banana republic but things aren't properly on the rails either.
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OK, I get it you're talking about Lionel Barber who is the Editor of the FT. The 7 days article was condescending. I agree. But then Barber is that certain kind of Brit who revels in being obnoxiously offensive.

A word about MMS' decision to talk to him: He didn't know what the tenor and tone of the article would be. That Barber was obnoxious can be gauged by Nirupama Rao's excoriation of Britain's role in partition.

I doubt Barber will get a second shot at interviews in India.

I am more interested in that Mumbai under siege story. Any one know who wrote it?
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Cosmo_R:

You are nit-picking and hair splitting. It does not matter whether it was Lamont or some other monkey who wrote that FT report blaming "Hindu extremists" for Mumbai. The point is that through that report, when it comes to India, FT has shown that it is no different from TSP rags in which comic Shirleen and Jihadi Sethi, Lodhi ete write such crap. Will a UK PM or US president sit down on a one-to-one interview with the editor of Paki rag Nation? Likewise, I know the need for India to attract FDI etc, and an Indian PM do his/her best on this count, but there are certain Laksham Rekhas you don't cross.
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Cosmo_R wrote: I am more interested in that Mumbai under siege story. Any one know who wrote it?
It was an editorial the morning after Mumbai. Makes it all the more offensive.
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CRamS:

You are hyperventilating. Take Archan's advice. Please. The whines are getting hard to bear. It does matter who wrote what when.

The FT is not The Nation and you should know better than that.
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It was an editorial the morning after Mumbai. Makes it all the more offensive.

OK, I'll be in touch with them.
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Pakistani products selling like hot cakes at trade fair
New Delhi, Nov 16 (IANS) Buyers are thronging the Pakistan pavilion at the 30th India International Trade Fair which has over 15 stalls ranging from fabrics to chandeliers to jade and marble products.

Currently open for business visitors only, the trade fair kickstarted Sunday and will open for the public Friday. Hall 18, which houses the international stalls, sees the maximum people at the Pakistan pavilion.

'Buyers are showing keen interest for painted glass chandeliers and lamps with bronze finish, wall hangings and decorative pieces in painted glass. The prices range from Rs.600-10,000. Some more expensive pieces are also there,' Hussain, one of the stall owners, told IANS.
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