Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2010

[Gerard]

Do they give these Nobel baubles posthumously?

[Baikul]

Yes- I believe Pakistani scientists call it getting not one, not two, but 72 Nobles.

[Suppiah]

Rehman for changing pro-terror mindset

Interior Minister Rehman Malik Friday called upon the Muslim Ummah to condemn suicide attacks in one voice and declare them un-Islamic to eliminate the cancer of terrorism

Good fat chance of that happening...what Rehman actually means is do it where we tell you, not amongst us. But then that is what the entire ummah is saying, only they have different definitions of what 'they' and 'us' are - to the Saudibarians anything non-wahabi is fit to kill, to Iran anyone anti-Shia, to others it is something else and so on....

Recently Malaysia arrested and is prosecuting about 20 muslims...guess for what? For being Shia's. That is supposed to be a sparkling example of moderation and tolerance....now go figure what the rest are going to be...

[Suppiah]

Our aim is history...not headlines tells Mr.10%

http://www.dawn.com/2010/12/25/our-aim- ... rdari.html

Dont worry you jehadi terrorist pig, you keep making headlines like you are doing these years, you will soon BE history...

[Gerard]

PCB blames India for lack of players in IPL

[menon s]

A stable Pakistan, is not in India's interest
i think it has become well understood in the north block that a stable Pakistan , is not even possible, even, if a Patriotic Pakistani tries doing that.
1. In Sindh, the exploitation, has reached the level, that, Sindhis under Dr. Safdar Sarki, of the jeay Sindh Quami Markaz, was detained by agencies for 26 months without charges and then released. A follower of late G M Syed, he wants a non violent struggle of Sindhi rights, that are usurped by the Punjabis and of late the pashtoons of ANP.
the poor Sindhis are the worst suffers of Pan islamism, because, their ethnicity was usurped by both mohajirs and Pashtoons.
2. The major reason the Punjabi army does not want to fight the Taliban, is that, if Taliban and Pashtoon nationalism, mix, the Punjabis can say goodbye to the Durand line. In a way its true. no wonder that Kiyani wants Asfyandar Wali Khan to take the place of Zardari. People who call Pashtoons barbarians, need to look into history and reckon up names like Badshah Khan. his party khudai khidmatgars, refused accession to Pakistan. the plebiscite vote was a fracas. The in roads we have achieved in stroking Pashtoon nationalism, as of today, i know will not be appreciated by the Indians. But then, thats okay since we did our part.
3. Baloch; Small in number, their slogans are "Pakistan ka matlab, kya hai?, lund pe chade hame kya", having had so much troubles the blokes have sense of humor. We want the army camps out of quetta, zhob, khuzdar, loralai and ormara.

the break up of Pakistan, is near. And we as the song goes "did not start the fire". How can pan islamism work, if there are 26 nationalities in Muslim Arabia alone? the spark was there we only fanned it. Someone forgot that etno nationalities are more potent than religion. was it jinnah, the social climber? whose birthday falls on the day of the christ? what a social climber for islam?

[krisna]

Pakistan feigns hurt innocence

The sense one got from an annual India-Pakistan Track II conference hosted by Friedrich Ebert Stiftung, New Delhi, at Dubai earlier this month was that there’s a perception in Pakistan that India is not serious about reviving the dialogue ruptured since the Mumbai terrorist attack. Further, that New Delhi is happy keeping Islamabad out in the cold while engaging with big powers.

The sticking point to resuming dialogue has been Pakistan’s inability and unwillingness to demonstrate that it is serious about taking meaningful action against the perpetrators of 26/11. The question naïvely asked is what Pakistani actions will satisfy India in order to break the logjam. Since 2002, India has received written and oral assurances from Pakistani leaders that its soil will not be allowed to be used for terrorism against India. That pledge has been violated consistently without any consequences for Pakistan.

India’s astonishing tolerance and baffling restraint to repeated terrorist assaults have sent the wrong signals to jihadis. Further, India has been overly generous in reducing its demands on terrorism sourced from Pakistan -- from ‘dismantling of infrastructure of terrorism and disabling terrorist groups’ to just ‘punishing the culprits of the Mumbai attack’. A former Foreign Secretary of Pakistan attending the conference said that the perception in Pakistan is that India has set “impossible benchmarks and must be seen to be wanting peace to succeed”. And, he added, “Pakistan must make its actions on terrorism more credible.”

India-Pakistan relations at their best during the Musharraf era have dipped to their lowest since the Mumbai attack. A question that was not raised at the conference: Was 26/11 the repudiation by the Pakistani Army of the gains made during Gen Musharraf’s tenure, notably on Jammu & Kashmir? It is believed that this act was cleared by Gen Kayani who is intractably opposed to India. The incorporation of Gilgit-Baltistan, renamed from Northern Areas, into Pakistan and accessed by the Chinese military and business interests are part of a new Great Game.

Adding water to politics in Pakistan has given terrorist groups a new battle cry: Water wars. With no light at the end of the tunnel, both sides at Dubai hoped for a meeting of the two Foreign Ministers in 2011 though any breakthrough seems highly unlikely. Till then, India-Pakistan relations will have to be managed and fingers kept crossed over another Mumbai-like attack.

[brihaspati]

A stable Pakistan, is not in India's interest
i think it has become well understood in the north block that a stable Pakistan , is not even possible, even, if a Patriotic Pakistani tries doing that.
1. In Sindh, the exploitation, has reached the level, that, Sindhis under Dr. Safdar Sarki, of the jeay Sindh Quami Markaz, was detained by agencies for 26 months without charges and then released. A follower of late G M Syed, he wants a non violent struggle of Sindhi rights, that are usurped by the Punjabis and of late the pashtoons of ANP.
the poor Sindhis are the worst suffers of Pan islamism, because, their ethnicity was usurped by both mohajirs and Pashtoons.
2. The major reason the Punjabi army does not want to fight the Taliban, is that, if Taliban and Pashtoon nationalism, mix, the Punjabis can say goodbye to the Durand line. In a way its true. no wonder that Kiyani wants Asfyandar Wali Khan to take the place of Zardari. People who call Pashtoons barbarians, need to look into history and reckon up names like Badshah Khan. his party khudai khidmatgars, refused accession to Pakistan. the plebiscite vote was a fracas. The in roads we have achieved in stroking Pashtoon nationalism, as of today, i know will not be appreciated by the Indians. But then, thats okay since we did our part.
3. Baloch; Small in number, their slogans are "Pakistan ka matlab, kya hai?, lund pe chade hame kya", having had so much troubles the blokes have sense of humor. We want the army camps out of quetta, zhob, khuzdar, loralai and ormara.

the break up of Pakistan, is near. And we as the song goes "did not start the fire". How can pan islamism work, if there are 26 nationalities in Muslim Arabia alone? the spark was there we only fanned it. Someone forgot that etno nationalities are more potent than religion. was it jinnah, the social climber? whose birthday falls on the day of the christ? what a social climber for islam?

No, ethno-nationalism is just an excuse among Muslims to compete for scarce resources between factions. It is an internal factional fight - but there wil be no change in Jihadi attitude towards non-Muslims. Factional infights among paki muslmis did not prevent sending off volunteers to 1948 Kashmir conflict - from opposing sides of the factional fight. BD volunteers fought against the Pakis with Indian help, but that did not prevent continued atrocities on Hindus within liberated BD. There can be fights - but no reasons for non-Muslims to rejoice.

[krisna]

Wikileaks shows Saudi wild party with Alcohol, drugs, sex and prostitutes

An American diplomatic document reveals a secret party of a Saudi Prince with alcohol, drugs, sex and prostitutes. In yet another flurry of secret documents of U.S. diplomacy, the site WikiLeaks showed, in great detail, a Halloween party organized by a wealthy Saudi prince in the city of Jeddah (Jeddah in Arabic), with the highest quality drink, drugs and sex with prostitutes.

One of the secret documents, dated 18/11/2009, reported: "Behind the facade of Wahhabi conservatism on the streets, the nightlife for the young elite of Jeddah is thriving and throbbing. The full range of worldly temptations and vices are available - alcohol, drugs, sex - but strictly behind closed doors. "

The prince's name was omitted from the document, as the diplomats themselves acknowledge that their names should be withheld. The only clue is that this Prince belongs to the Al Thunayan huge family.

Alcohol is strictly banned in all of Saudi Arabia, which punishes the possession of drugs with long jail sentences and public flogging.

According to reports from the document of American diplomacy, there was no sign of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice at the party with 150 youths, all aged between 20 and 30 years. The discreet clothes that they use in the streets were removed at the door to reveal party clothes.

A young Saudi who was at the party told one of the American diplomats that "the increasing conservatism of our society in recent years only changed social interaction to the inside of people's homes."

news black out obviously in KSA.
wonder what will happen if more pious know about this rendezvous by the less pious.
---pakilurks spread this news in pakiland about your great benefactors.

[sanjaykumar]

news black out obviously in KSA.


The point is by whom?

Of course the drug-addled, unemployable westerners who 'run' the offices in the Middle East know first hand about these things, ergo so do the newspaper stringers-but no nooz with your Saturday funnies.

[Ambar]

This was posted a while ago,Krisna. The house and Saud and hypocrisy goes hand in hand.King Saud Abdul Aziz was notorious for his alcoholism and gambling. The architect of modern KSA - King Fahd was also a notorious womanizer,gambler ,enjoyed his expensive liquor and company of beautiful European women. The sight of KSA registered exotic cars outside some of London and Amsterdam's most expensive clubs suggests that the young princes are every bit as 'playboy'ish as their ancestors.

[disha]

Wikileaks shows Saudi wild party with Alcohol, drugs, sex and prostitutes

a Halloween party organized by a wealthy Saudi prince in the city of Jeddah (Jeddah in Arabic), with the highest quality drink, drugs and sex with prostitutes.

Quick question to gurus, how does the writer know that the quality was highest for the following drink, drugs and sex with prostitutes? Did the author had a party in Pakistan before attending a party in Jeddah?

[saip]

Wikileaksjj shows Saudi wild party with Alcohol, drugs, sex and prostitutes

a Halloween party organized by a wealthy Saudi prince in the city of Jeddah (Jeddah in Arabic), with the highest quality drink, drugs and sex with prostitutes.

Quick question to gurus, how does the writer know that the quality was highest for the following drink, drugs and sex with prostitutes? Did the author had a party in Pakistan before attending a party in Jeddah?

Heard ever since the causeway was built connecting SA and Bahrain, lot of Saudis visit Bahrain for drinking!

[Prem]

="krisna"]Wikileaks shows Saudi wild party with Alcohol, drugs, sex and prostitutes

a Halloween party organized by a wealthy Saudi prince in the city of Jeddah (Jeddah in Arabic), with the highest quality drink, drugs and sex with prostitutes.

If Saudis have invited Gashtis for the party then obviously Paki were present there serving one of the Holy Trinity.5 Auliyas.

[Narad]

UN food centers closed in Bajaur after attack



Now where will the Tall, Fair and Handsomes beg for food

[Suppiah]

This was posted a while ago,Krisna. The house and Saud and hypocrisy goes hand in hand.King Saud Abdul Aziz was notorious for his alcoholism and gambling. The architect of modern KSA - King Fahd was also a notorious womanizer,gambler ,enjoyed his expensive liquor and company of beautiful European women. The sight of KSA registered exotic cars outside some of London and Amsterdam's most expensive clubs suggests that the young princes are every bit as 'playboy'ish as their ancestors.

Many many years ago Playboy US interviewed a British hooker who used to fly down to (was it KSA?) ME and service her royal clients. She had credit cards with unlimited credit etc., thanks to her customers, and described their unhygienic and disgusting lifestyles in great detail...it was fun to read...

[Singha]

loking at the uniform blue colour of plastic buckets these are also likely UN handouts...imagine a begger whose begging bowl itself was given as a bheeksha,

[Suppiah]

^ OMG how did the pious miss that...it is a great conspiracy against the purity of Pakistan - blue is the color of jews..it should have been green buckets.

[Guddu]

Mr.Raman....catches up with BRF
"The fear of Pakistan becoming a failed State prevents the US from acting tough against it. Soft options have failed to nudge Pakistan into acting against the terrorists. Hard options such as the denial of military and economic assistance are avoided lest there be a collapse of the State of Pakistan. The time has come to examine whether the collapse of Pakistan is something to be dreaded. A collapse could lead to a spell of sectarian anarchy, but not necessarily to the triumph of Al Qaeda and the Talibans. The very fact that the international community is prepared to let Pakistan collapse could induce some good sense in the thinking of its army and intelligence establishment. The army thinks that the world cannot afford to let Pakistan collapse. It has to be told that the world is prepared to let it collapse if it does not act against terrorism emanating from its territory effectively. (26-12-10)"
http://ramanstrategicanalysis.blogspot.com/

[Brad Goodman]

Suicide bombers could target National Games in Pakistan: Intelligence report

Authorities in Pakistan's northwest today further heightened security arrangements after receiving an intelligence report that two would-be suicide bombers with explosives-laden vehicles could target athletes participating in the National Games.

The alert from the intelligence agencies said the would-be suicide attackers had entered Peshawar, the capital of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa province, where the Games began yesterday, official sources said.

[Brad Goodman]

Pakistan's rape victim who dared to fight back

Kainat Soomro should have stayed silent. After being battered and gang raped for four days her traditional, conservative village in rural Pakistan expected the 13-year-old girl to keep her story to herself.

She refused.

Since then her dark brown eyes and striking features have become a staple of the country's newspapers and television news channels, as she fights for justice and a new voice for women in a deeply conservative country.

Nothing has stopped her. Not the murder of her brother, threats from the men she says raped her or a death sentence imposed by the elders of her village, Dadu, in Sindh province.

"This is what happens in Pakistan," she said. "Poor women have no chance. These men set the rules and think they know how to deal with these issues. They don't." Instead of bowing to the local summary justice, her family fled to the sprawling port city of Karachi.

That was almost four years ago. Today Kainat is a vocal campaigner for women's rights as she struggles for justice in her own case and tries to overturn the traditional, conservative culture that expects rape victims to suffer in silence

[Brad Goodman]

Is Letting Pakistan Collapse An Option? by B Raman

[Mukesh.Kumar]

@SaiP

Heard ever since the causeway was built connecting SA and Bahrain, lot of Saudis visit Bahrain for drinking!

Can vouch from first hand information that this is the case. Bahrain depends on Saudi for oil revenues and anyway with the financial markets in the doldrums tourism is the only game in town.

Not only Bahrain, Saudi's frolicking in UAE, Oman, Qatar & Egypt is serious business. Though there is ill feeling and a dislike for them even in these countries.

[Muppalla]

Mr.Raman....catches up with BRF
"The fear of Pakistan becoming a failed State prevents the US from acting tough against it. Soft options have failed to nudge Pakistan into acting against the terrorists. Hard options such as the denial of military and economic assistance are avoided lest there be a collapse of the State of Pakistan. The time has come to examine whether the collapse of Pakistan is something to be dreaded. A collapse could lead to a spell of sectarian anarchy, but not necessarily to the triumph of Al Qaeda and the Talibans. The very fact that the international community is prepared to let Pakistan collapse could induce some good sense in the thinking of its army and intelligence establishment. The army thinks that the world cannot afford to let Pakistan collapse. It has to be told that the world is prepared to let it collapse if it does not act against terrorism emanating from its territory effectively. (26-12-10)"
http://ramanstrategicanalysis.blogspot.com/

What a change of mind and argument.

[Gerard]

Suicide bombers could target National Games in Pakistan: Intelligence report

But isn't suicide bombing the national game?

[CRamS]

Is Letting Pakistan Collapse An Option? by B Raman

It requires someone very resourceful, honest, objective, with lots of money, time to research, and a criticial mass international audience to write a policy paper exposing the several bold-faced lies that US has been perpetuating about GWOT and TSP:

1) So called Al Queda is so omni potent with OBL sitting in some cave is in complete command waging a 'global' war.
2) TSP's collapse means Al Queda will become even more powerful with nukes
3) Mighty USA is so beholden to TSP that USA is helpless
4) No such thing as TSP-sponsored 'global' terror against India, its only "dispute over Kashmir" or "proxy war" between India and TSP in Afganisthan
5) TSP faces an imminent "threat" from India and unless TSPA is pampered with India-specfic military aid and massive economic assistance, TSP will collapse

B. Raman's blowing hot one day, blowing cold another is not going to cut it. Leave aside international audience, even many of us on BR don't take B. Raman seriously anymore.

My candidate for writing such an expose would be Seymour Hersh of New Yorker (I assume he still works for them). But the problem is New Yorker is an an establishment rag for the most part. And so unless there is a huge, huge international audience for such an expose and New Yorker can make money, I doubt they will touch this with a foot long pole. They will go along with the prevailing wind.

TSP has to do something dramatic to hurt US, for e.g. had Faizal Shehzaad succeeded, some tough questions would have been asked by the likes of Seymour Hersh, and only then will he find some whistle blowers in the Pentagon/CIA who will reveal the real strategic intent for propping up TSPA. Till then, this circus will continue until either TSP collpases on its own, or the only country affected by TSP's malevolence, India, does something about it.

[CRamS]

Pakistan feigns hurt innocence

Very poor analysis by Mehta, almost bordering on equal equal quid pro quo: India is prepared to talk about J&K if TSP understands India's terror concerns.

Where India & TSP stand today can be summed up very succintly. TSP (and so are its 3.5) is telling India, we have nukes, we have terrorists (remember Mumbai?), and we have 3.5; not a damn thing you can do to us. We will continue to harass and humiliate you.

And what does TSP want? Again it is telling India (and so are its 3.5) that now that we are equal equal on the battle field, international court of opinion, and despite your famed IT prowess, you & us both are in the same boat in terms of economic indicators and even terrorism (to rub further salt: they will ask India to pay heed to ARoy, Pankaj Misra, INC who recently declared "Hindu terror" is a bigger threat than TSP-sponosred LeT), and so lets sit down and re-visit 1947, put all our problems in a common basket, and re-draw the entire map of the subcontinent to "mutual benefit".

This is the mindset of TSP today, and Kashmir, water etc are only symptoms of this perverted thinking. Furthermore, for a westerner who cares a fig leaf about digging a little deeper to undertsand TSP and India, such a prescription by TSP sounds eminently reasonable because India TSP equal equal onlee, and TSP is their loyal ally in taking on the mighty "Al Queda". And furthermore, someone like the late Honcho Holbrooke will take on the white man's burden and serve the Lord Almighty by acting as facilitator or mediator between India & TSP.

[GuruPrabhu]

TSP (and so are its 3.5) is telling India, we have nukes, we have terrorists (remember Mumbai?), and we have 3.5; not a damn thing you can do to us. We will continue to harass and humiliate you.

Ain't that the truth! But humiliation is a choice. Why do you feel humiliated by churlishness of another?

[asprinzl]

Here is the deal...you have the most powerful navy in the region but did diddly squat when you see North Korean ships delivering missile and nuke parts to Satan. Instead of interdicting the ships in the sea you just whine to the USA. You take 30 years to decide on a trainer plane and thus far had taken nearly 20 years to decide on a medium combat plane while your airforce is being depleted of fighter bombers. Mumbai could have been avenged but for the lack of fighter planes/fighter bombers in numbers. The next best thing is feel humiliated.
I can understand very well if sometimes folks feel like wanting to lynch the political class.
Avram Sprinzl

[GuruPrabhu]

Here is the deal...you have the most powerful navy in the region but did diddly squat

Didly squat is countered by "3.5+nukes". What would Israel do if Iran had the same number of nukes as Pakistan? Why is Israel whining to IAEA and Uncle instead of taking out Iran's nukes?

By the way, do you believe that bombing the crap out of defenseless palestinians is "avenging" something or the other?

[CRamS]

Here is the deal...you have the most powerful navy in the region but did diddly squat when you see North Korean ships delivering missile and nuke parts to Satan. Instead of interdicting the ships in the sea you just whine to the USA. You take 30 years to decide on a trainer plane and thus far had taken nearly 20 years to decide on a medium combat plane while your airforce is being depleted of fighter bombers. Mumbai could have been avenged but for the lack of fighter planes/fighter bombers in numbers. The next best thing is feel humiliated.
I can understand very well if sometimes folks feel like wanting to lynch the political class.
Avram Sprinzl

Boss, I completely agree with you that India claiming 3.5 as the only impediment is a lame excuse to hide its pussilanimity and the 5th columnists within. But the fact remains that post 9/11, the 3.5, especially the big ones: USA/UK could have separated out the TSP abomination from India, focused on reforming TSP (like the other bad guys: Iran, NK, Syria etc), but instead, as a deliberate, strategic choice, chose to continue the India TSP equal equal. And they went even further. They have pretty much endorsed TSP's use of pigLeTs against Indian "threat". This diabolical policy has really constrained India (assuming of course, Indian policitcal and military brass had a cogent game plane to take the fight to TSP that is) because right now TSP is this front line all-lie, and any legitimate retaliation by India will be viewed as hanky panky throwing a spanner in USA's war against the "mighty Al Queda". Thats why I said, some heavyweight western publication with a heavyweight journalists must expose the lies behind GWOT including TSP role.

[CRamS]

Here is the deal...you have the most powerful navy in the region but did diddly squat

Didly squat is countered by "3.5+nukes". What would Israel do if Iran had the same number of nukes as Pakistan? Why is Israel whining to IAEA and Uncle instead of taking out Iran's nukes?

Israel can and will take out Iran's nukes in a heartbeat. This whole Iran BS is about castrating Iran so it is rendered another tinpot in the region. USA is not going to allow Iran any semblance of nukes, but given that US objectives go beyond Iran, they are constraining Israel to the extent that USA's wider objectives in the Muslim world are not affected. But make no mistake about it, USA is not going to let Iran have nukes, not even a dream. Should Iran acquire nukes, and the capability to hit Israel, boy oh boy, that would not only be the end of Israel's overwhelming dominance in the region, it would signal the beginning of the end of USA's world dominance. So Israel is safe, Iran ain't going to get any nuke didly squat.

By the way, do you believe that bombing the crap out of defenseless palestinians is "avenging" something or the other?

Thats how the west deals with any semblance of a threat to its existance. India had the power post 1971 onwards to exercise that kind of dominance in the subcontinent, but was frittered away due to its own internal weakness. Today's India's power is only a mirage, especially post Mumbai, when TSP has the audacity to thumb its nose and demands Kashmir, while its 3.5 concur that its a legitimate demand.

[ramana]

^^^^

The very fact that the international community is prepared to let Pakistan collapse could induce some good sense in the thinking of its army and intelligence establishment. The army thinks that the world cannot afford to let Pakistan collapse. It has to be told that the world is prepared to let it collapse if it does not act against terrorism emanating from its territory effectively. (26-12-10)"

There is still cognitive dissonance here. The Pak Army will never act effectively on its jihadi terrorists for that is going against its dogma stated in its motto of Jihad in the name of Allah. Its a case of mild green against the dark green. The only time such tactic worked is when the rulers/sultan themselves acted to preserve their state as espoused by zawabit.
TSPA is not and cannot be the Sultan and thus cannot enforce Zawabit. Its higher than their aukkad.

[A_Gupta]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/27/world ... rachi.html
New York Times story: Necessity Pushes Pakistani Women Into Jobs and Peril

Ms. Sultana is part of a small but growing generation of lower-class young women here who are entering service-sector jobs to support their families, and by extension, pitting their religious and cultural traditions against economic desperation.

The women are pressed into the work force not by nascent feminism but by inflation, which has spiked to 12.7 percent from 1.4 percent in the past seven years. As a result, one salary — the man’s salary — can no longer feed a family.

“It’s not just the economic need, but need of the nation,” said Rafiq Rangoonwala, the chief executive officer of KFC Pakistan, who has challenged his managers to double the number of women in his work force by next year. “Otherwise, Pakistan will never progress. We’ll always remain a third-world country because 15 percent of the people cannot feed 85 percent of the population.”

Pakistan ranked 133rd out of the 134 countries on the 2010 Global Gender Gap Report’s list of women’s economic participation.

The women interviewed said they had to battle stereotypes that suggested that women who work were sexually promiscuous. Sometimes men misinterpret simple acts of customer service, like a smile. Fauzia, who works as a cashier at KFC, said that last year a customer was so taken with her smile that he followed her out the door and tried to force her into his car before she escaped.

[GuruPrabhu]

Israel can and will take out Iran's nukes in a heartbeat.

You missed my point entirely. No worries.

[asprinzl]

Pak Is Satan is a failed state the west refuses to acknowledge. Along the line I would also venture to say that the PA is not a unified military force but a failed force that is fragmented with all the regional "crore" commanders holding sway in their respective regions and paying only lip service to HQ. The only thing that would unify them would be the anti-Indianism or anti-Kafirism.....which is what the entire Pak Is Satan nation is anyways.

The way things are developing and from past incidents...there must be some form of low level warfare between PA units either directly or via proxy and sometimes open conflagration. Otherwise it is very hard to explain the whole scenario.

[Rangudu]

Israel can and will take out Iran's nukes in a heartbeat.

Not true. If what you say is credible, Iran's nuclear facilities would have been taken out long ago. The fact is that a dispersed nuclear program is hard to stop, especially when a country is as large as Iran is and has good bargaining chips like oil.

[jash_p]

CRamS wrote:
Israel can and will take out Iran's nukes in a heartbeat.


You missed my point entirely. No worries.

I don't think he missed your point, but he is looking from pure angle.

[shiv]

What a change of mind and argument.

That might be true - but it is the worst mistake in psy-ops to greet a person who has seen the light by saying "Ha ha ha - we knew it first. You are a latecomer". It is better to be gracious about it and welcome the new thinking. If we think we make a difference by our thoughts and ideas - then it would be equally true that we are creating needless opposition by triumphalism.

[vina]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/27/world ... rachi.html
New York Times story: Necessity Pushes Pakistani Women Into Jobs and Peril

The women interviewed said they had to battle stereotypes that suggested that women who work were sexually promiscuous. Sometimes men misinterpret simple acts of customer service, like a smile. Fauzia, who works as a cashier at KFC, said that last year a customer was so taken with her smile that he followed her out the door and tried to force her into his car before she escaped.

What a barbaric and backward place this Pakiland is. As always I am glad that Pakiland separated. If they had stayed inside, the forces of obscurantism, backwardness and basic cretinism would have gotten strengthened 100 fold and made the project of modernization of India and it's emergence that much harder. Good riddance I say.

Yes. Pakiland has lot more in common with Soddy Barbaria. Here , women work everywhere, from sweeping the roads to the board room as CEOs and then you have Pakiland. On top you have rank b*tches like Madame Jalebi who tries doing equal-equal with India with her head firmly stuck in some Jarnail's Musharraf!