Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2010

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby anupmisra » 12 Nov 2010 18:21

Brad Goodman wrote:He said Italy was offering 81 million euros in aid, but for that Pakistan needed to identify priorities for utilisation.


Italy is on record being against India's entry into the UNSC and its (UNSC) expansion. Not sure why. I dont have the link handy but I remember reading it somewhere several months ago.

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Postby Brad Goodman » 12 Nov 2010 18:42

anupmisra wrote:
Brad Goodman wrote:He said Italy was offering 81 million euros in aid, but for that Pakistan needed to identify priorities for utilisation.


Italy is on record being against India's entry into the UNSC and its (UNSC) expansion. Not sure why. I dont have the link handy but I remember reading it somewhere several months ago.


Anup I dont think Italy is against India in UNSC their takleef is against Germany getting a seat. So just like India- Japan-Germany & Brazil formed a group for unified lobbying for expansion of UNSC. Pakis, Italians & Chinese formed a counter group since these are directly threatned by these member states. I mean italy is maika for our maharani why should they feel takleef when we are trying to get rome rajya in dilli

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Postby Brad Goodman » 12 Nov 2010 19:57

Pakistan's bomb fatigue has set in By Imran Khan

Resilience that seems to be turning to acceptance. Acceptance that bombings are now part of the country's every day.

My driver Maqbool actually heard the blast. Chain smoking and without a hint of nervousness, he tells me what happened.

"The noise was like a thunderbolt going off inside my head. I was asleep kilometres away from the site, but I heard it. I thought the bomb had gone off in my street. I ran outside and only saw others as confused as me," he recalled.

"In the end it's only God that decides who lives and who dies. We live our lives and put our faith in God. It was not my turn to die last night."

His words were echoed by many of the people I spoke to at the site.


One thing has struck me. In four years of covering Pakistan for Al Jazeera, I have noticed a change in peoples' attitude. It's a sense of weariness at yet another bomb, yet another devastating attack.


Walking in the streets around the blast site, you can see small children playing in the wreckage.

You have to wonder about the effect a sustained campaign of violence will have on their generation. What effect will it have on the nation's psyche?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Brad Goodman » 12 Nov 2010 20:00

meanwhile bum or no bum life for rapes continues as it is. No break in party

Pakistan fashion week: Show goes on in terror hit Karachi

Karachi, Nov 12 (IANS) Pakistan's best known fashion week was on, there were smiles on the ramp and banter among organisers. That's when the latest terror blast hit Karachi, killing at least 19 people, changing the atmospherics in seconds.

In a show of resilience, however, everyone put up a brave face and went about business.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Brad Goodman » 12 Nov 2010 20:04

more on Wagah tamasha

Tale of creaking joints at Wagah

Often, our western neighbour just doesn’t see sense. What, after all, is the point of all that aggressive posturing and hurly-burly? However, the Pakistanis seem intent on letting a few more of their soldiers break their legs. And, the daily parade, said the Rangers spokesman , will continue in the “traditional enthusiastic style”. We should refuse to take the bait. The BSF should, accordingly, make the ceremony of lowering the tricolour a simple, straight, dignified affair. The other side, running around like a mad cockerel would end up looking decidedly silly indeed.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Brad Goodman » 12 Nov 2010 20:19

Extremists in Pak warn drivers attached with girls' schools

Extremists in Pakistan's northwestern Peshawar city have warned drivers of girls' schools of dire consequences if they do not stop taking students to schools in two days' time.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby surinder » 12 Nov 2010 20:21

shiv wrote: Ony 21 out of 390 (5%) were in Punjab and Sindh ....


The thing that I have found puzzling is that Pakjab has been spared so easily, especially since it is Pakjabi army & politicians which cut deals with Khan to sell the tailbums cheaply. It cannot be but a short train ride, or road travel to reach pakjab. Places like Pindi are but 4-5 hours from nwfp capital.

One explanation has been that Pakjabis have very carefully not allowed the pashatoons to not settle in Pakjab, but instead have directed them to B'stan and Karachi, but still if some of the disgruntled groups who seeth at the Pakjabi for his 2-facedness and forked toungeness, then the obvoius thing for them would seem to be make Pakjab unlivable, which they haven't seriously done.

Anyone wants to guess? If Johann is reading this, can he shed light?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Kati » 12 Nov 2010 20:25

Now this is serious,.....unkil is clearing the decks for Gola......no wonder
he stopped by NPR studio recently to belch his hot air...........

http://www.npr.org/2010/11/11/131254768 ... his-future

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Lalmohan » 12 Nov 2010 20:41

gola may have promised to get things done, as he used to do before kiyanahin took over and stonewalled

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Postby Kati » 12 Nov 2010 20:43

^^^
So, Kiyanahin's days are numbered? Very soon he'll perish in some plane crash?.....just wondering.....

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Lalmohan » 12 Nov 2010 20:50

no... i think as others have pointed out, that there is a pro mushy faction in the US junta just as there is a pro-kiyanahin faction

i dont see mushy getting far, he was regime_changed by unkil and therefore is not going to make a comeback

i remember bebe's words before her comeback tour rdvz with the sun roof lever, she had made all the right noises... and look what it got her?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby ramana » 12 Nov 2010 20:52

Badmash will wait for him to settle hisab.

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Postby Lalmohan » 12 Nov 2010 21:03

actually, the shias might get him too... especially if he remains abroad... maybe he thinks its safer in paquistan?

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Postby arun » 12 Nov 2010 21:04

Donors Seek Assurances for Pakistan Flood Aid

Donor scepticism about the intent of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to make sacrifices in order help its own flood affected population is not incorrect.

No cut in defence expenditure: Kaira

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby svinayak » 12 Nov 2010 21:49

SSridhar wrote: If America insists on looking at the Taliban and Al Qaeda as the joint problem, then the war in Afghanistan will drag on, exhaust and demoralize America and even conceivably spill over at any time into an Indo-Pakistan conflict. But if America and Pakistan were to join hands in prying apart the Afghan Taliban from al-Qaeda by giving the Afghan Taliban a hot seat in Kabul and then going after Al-Qaeda and the TTP, there may be light at the end of the tunnel for everyone.

Check how this India Pakistan is brought into this Af Pak situation cleverly and then connected.
This is due to 40 years of Pak dialogue with US where it has insisted India as their focus point and India Pakistan as the final conflict of any changes in the region. It is kind of a brainwashing on US elite which has taken this completely bluff that India Pakistan war would happen if any change in Pak policy is done forcefully or Pakistan interest are not taken into decision. This is a very clever psy ops which Pakistan has done on US policy makers in the last 40 years very successfully.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Lalmohan » 12 Nov 2010 22:07

^^^ and this is why india is always forced into in-action following every terrorist outrage

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Rangudu » 12 Nov 2010 22:08

Unkil is NOT clearing anything for Musharrafs musharraf. He is bad news in DC. The reason he is getting the press is due to his PR firm, all paid for by his accumulated wealth. Of course Gola has a network of close friends in DC, like Al Quolin, Zinni etc. but as far as officialdom is concerned - Gola is yesterdays used newspaper.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby surinder » 13 Nov 2010 00:15

Mushy's interview on NPR today was hilarious. The interviewer asked basic questions and it was one of the funniest interviews. Mushy mentioned, Nawaz Sharif. The interviewer (in all sincerity and wanting to clarify to his audience who Sharif is) says, "... he is the one you deposed in the coup ...". Mushy is not to take it lightly says, " ... no no he deposed himself ...".

Inteviewer says that you came riding on top of the army to power. Mushy says, no I was chief, I *was* the army.

Mushy is a delight to hear talk. I would love to see him take power in TSP.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby CRamS » 13 Nov 2010 00:16

R-man,

I was wondering about the same thing the other day. Who is paying for all his kushy lifestyle including jet setting around the globe giving useless speeches? He actually says so in one of his interviews, namely, that he is compensated handsomly. What is the name of this PR firm, and whats in it for them to promote this scum bag?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Rangudu » 13 Nov 2010 00:20

CRS,

No idea who the PR firm is but Musharraf's "sambandhi" made a lot of cash during his rule and is partly funding his revival. I'm talking about the father of his son Bilal's wife.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Jayram » 13 Nov 2010 01:18

From the musharaff of mushraaf himself
I am on my lecture circuits, being managed by Harry Walker Agency. I am very happy. (Laughter.) So you have invited me here, and I'm traveling all over the world, I am going to Nigeria, I went to Hong Kong, then to Stockholm; so what is my problem? I am very comfortable. (Laughter.)

dont know who is paying for it though...
taken from here
http://www.cfr.org/publication/23355/conversation_with_pervez_musharraf.html

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby kenop » 13 Nov 2010 01:19

I too was wondering about it.
Found some info here
May be the account is extended (the report above is from 2002)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Prem » 13 Nov 2010 04:37

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2010\11\13\story_13-11-2010_pg3_4
Between the military and militants —Farhat Taj
Recently, there has been news in the national and international media that Jalaluddin Haqqani’s network, based in North Waziristan, is being shifted by the military establishment of Pakistan to Kurram to flee the relentless US drone attacks that have considerably damaged the group. Most media discussions about this development focus on external factors, like how difficult it may become for NATO and US forces to gather intelligence and strike the Haqqani group in Kurram, and the possibility of an extension of the US drone attacks to Kurram. The last possibility is also claimed as leading to more anti-Americanism in the wider society of Pakistan, which, unlike tribal society, seems to oppose the drone strikes as a violation of Pakistan’s sovereignty.
No due attention is being paid to the impact of the arrival of the Haqqani fighters on the people in Kurram and the areas close to it. With the Haqqani network in North Waziristan, all the nearby districts were destabilised. D I Khan, with its mixed Sunni and Shia population, was rocked by sectarian attacks, the people in Tank and Bannu were attacked and the civilians in all frontier regions came under repeated terrorist actions.
This is also precisely the reason why the people in FATA favour drone strikes on the militants instead of military operations; the former never miss their target, the latter always kills civilians in large numbers and have been unable to kill any leading Taliban commander in so many military operations. Despite the relentless drone attacks in North Waziristan, there is no mass scale displacement from the area. There would be large-scale human displacement from North Waziristan if a military operation begins in the area.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby chetak » 13 Nov 2010 05:14

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/pak-parl-passes-motion-against-us-support-for-indias-unsc-bid/710317/


Pak parl passes motion against US support for India's UNSC bid
Fri Nov 12 2010

Pakistan's parliament unanimously passed a resolution expressing concern at US President Barack Obama's support for India's bid for permanent seat on the UN Security Council, with the government saying such a move would affect the balance of power in the region.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby krisna » 13 Nov 2010 05:27

Pakistan divides U.S. and India-Selig Harrison
Washington should stop providing Islamabad with weaponry that can be used against India and take a realistic view of the reasons for Indian-Pakistani tensions.

Obama Mission: Billions to Pakistan, Billions From India"(nice one) — This screaming headline in the Times of India ahead of President Obama's visit to New Delhi explains why a quiet crisis is developing in what seems, on the surface, to be an increasingly promising relationship between the world's two largest democracies.

But the full potential of U.S.-Indian cooperation, including naval cooperation in the face of an increasingly ambitious China, will not be realized until Washington stops providing Islamabad with weaponry that can be used against India and takes a realistic view of the reasons for Indian-Pakistani tensions.
Since 9/11, the U.S. has showered $13.5 billion in military hardware on Islamabad, and it pledged another $2 billion last month. The Pentagon justifies this buildup in the name of combating terrorism. But the big-ticket items have all strengthened Pakistani air and naval capabilities needed for potential combat with India, not for counterinsurgency mountain warfare against the Taliban.
well known here

The message from Islamabad is that Pakistan's "insecurity" in the face of Indian power explains why it aids the Taliban in Afghanistan, and that a settlement over the disputed Kashmir region would lead Pakistan to abandon support for Islamist forces. Bob Woodward's book, "Obama's Wars," shows in detail that the U.S. intelligence community has accepted this argument uncritically and that it has impressed the president.
But the reason Pakistan supports the Taliban is that it wants to counter Indian influence in Afghanistan with its own surrogates. This objective would not be altered by a Kashmir settlement.

Blast from the past
More important, the underlying reason for Pakistan's feelings of insecurity is that it is an artificial entity hastily patched together by the British Raj in the 1947 partition.The Muslim League movement that campaigned in then-undivided India to create Pakistan had limited mass support in the areas that were to constitute the new state. Recent historical studies have conclusively established that Pakistan came into being primarily because league leaders had agreed to give Britain military bases there, while India's Jawaharlal Nehru had declared his intention to pursue a nonaligned foreign policy.No state had ever combined the four incompatible ethnic regions that make up Pakistan today, encompassing the dominant Punjabi and large Baluchi, Pashtun and Sindhi minorities, each with their own ancestral territory. The minorities had fought throughout history to resist domination by the Punjabi, but it was a Punjabi-dominated army that took over the new state.

Role of Uncle
The U.S. has held Pakistan together for the last half-century by pouring billions in military aid into a series of military dictatorships, initially in return for intelligence-monitoring facilities to spy on Soviet missile sites, later for helping to aid the Afghan resistance and, since 2001, to compensate for cooperation in the "war on terror."
(along with other 2.5 friends)
Role of TSPA
Apart from their dominant position in real estate, current and retired generals run army-linked business conglomerates with net assets totaling $38 billion.


Zardari is often dismissed as a corrupt playboy incapable of governing, and he has indeed been a weak administrator. But he has demonstrated surprising courage and consistency in seeking to downgrade the Kashmir issue and to jump-start trade with India as the key to easing Indian-Pakistani tensions.
some spine for duspercenti
This reversed Pakistan's policy of deliberate ambiguity on the first use of nuclear weapons and outraged military leaders. Was this the last straw for the army? Was the Mumbai attack instigated by Islamist hard-liners to wreck Zardari's peace campaign, as one of his closest advisors suggested to me? In any case, the army has largely succeeded in silencing him.

what can uncle do to improve relations with India
To demonstrate sensitivity to Indian concerns about Pakistan, Obama should make clear that the United States accepts the findings of an Indian intelligence probe of the Mumbai attack.
(will this happen)

Most of the above is known here.
At least He is written about in media unlike others.
He was the one to raise alarm regarding the panda soldiers in POK few weeks back.

Edited: Changed gender!!Thanks Nandu.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Nandu » 13 Nov 2010 05:52

krisna, "Selig" is not a mohtorma.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby shiv » 13 Nov 2010 06:30

CRamS wrote: Who is paying for all his kushy lifestyle including jet setting around the globe giving useless speeches? He actually says so in one of his interviews, namely, that he is compensated handsomly. What is the name of this PR firm, and whats in it for them to promote this scum bag?


Look at the other possibility. Musharraf may have stowed away something like US$ 2billion in his own name. If he says he is spending his own money every expatriate Paki in opposition (eg PML-Nawaz supporters) will rise up against Mushy. He simply says he is getting paid. 2 billion well invested should earn Mushy several million dollars a year - enough for a luxurious lifestyle.

Apart from that - I think one of the less well recognised aspects of Pakistan (and many other turd world nations including India) is the role of the expatriate. If you read accounts of many Pakis who visit various nations - you find that they are hosted by and stay in private homes of rich expatriate Pakis. So it is not as if they incur hotel and local travel expenses on the way. It's a friendly "you scratch my back, I scratch yours relationship" that is unknown to SDREs like us who work to earn and stay in hotels when we travel. I know many wealthy Indians - including actors and musicians who stay in private homes when they are in the US. They are hardly seen living in hotels.

The expatriate community of many nations is a useful "tool" used by foreign governments to have a say in internal politics of that nation and the "private citizen" hosting a controversial figure does not raise hackles. Canada served as base for Khalistani politics. The UK has served as base for Kashmir separatists and the LTTE. So Pakistanis with money will get a political base in the West if they can be milked in some way. I was tickled from head to butt to see one BRFite in the Ombaba thread suggesting that NRIs should play exactly the role played by Kashmir separatists or LTTE in UK - i.e sit in phoren but play politics in their country of origin. It's very tempting and it should be easy to collect funds and get some media support. Politics is a funny game - every man and his uncle is allowed to join - but success is different matter. In an oligarchy it is more easy to tweak key power figures than in a democracy. In the former all you have to do is bribe the top people. In the latter, the top people will accept bribes but may still get voted out of power.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Kati » 13 Nov 2010 06:53

Who is paying's for Mushy's oil?.......
Well it is possible that Bilal's in-laws are paying for the oil...
but don't forget that Mushy's brother lives in Chicago area
(and in medical profession, isn't it???)......rumors say that
he may have helped stash a handsome amount........

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Postby arun » 13 Nov 2010 07:12

Excerpt from the US State Department daily press briefing regarding the reaction of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to the recent US endorsment of India's bid for a permanent UN Security Council seat:

Philip J. Crowley
Assistant Secretary
Daily Press Briefing
Washington, DC
November 12, 2010 ……………….


QUESTION: Has Islamabad officially, unofficially, formally expressed their resentment or concerns on President Obama’s endorsement of India’s bid for a UNSC permanent seat?

MR. CROWLEY: We have briefed the Government of Pakistan on the President’s announcement. I’m not aware that there was any particular concern expressed.

QUESTION: Just a follow-up. But in the media reports, their – at their cabinet level and in general in Pakistan, they have expressed. So they have not given any –

MR. CROWLEY: We – I think they understand what we told them, and beyond that, I’ll leave it to the Government of Pakistan to describe its own reaction.

QUESTION: Do you feel that this endorsement will make Pakistan less motivated to support your efforts in the war on terror?

MR. CROWLEY: Again, no one should see this in zero sum terms. And first of all, understand that there is a process, it involves the Security Council and many countries that will have a say in the possible reform of the UN Security Council. But this is a reflection of the growing importance of the region to the rest of the world, and Pakistan should not see this as something that comes at their expense. It does not.

US State Department

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby shiv » 13 Nov 2010 07:15

Kati wrote:Who is paying's for Mushy's oil?.......
Well it is possible that Bilal's in-laws are paying for the oil...
but don't forget that Mushy's brother lives in Chicago area
(and in medical profession, isn't it???)......rumors say that
he may have helped stash a handsome amount........


The USA is too much of a financial police state for people to stash illegal funds. There are lots of overseas places - including but not restricted to Swiss banks. A wealthy doctor in the US would be a poor man compared to the wealth acquired by the richest Pakis. I small time arms dealer/middlemen who manages to facilitate an arms deal will make more money in one deal than an average doctor in the US will save in a lifetime.

Here is a quote from my review of Nosey Haider's book
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/index ... cle&id=812
Haider tops off his book with an expose of the extreme corruption that has gripped Pakistan. The first hint of kickbacks to middlemen in Pakistan comes early on in the book when a wealthy Pakistani middleman was present for the trials of Hispano-Suiza rockets by the PAF in the late 1950s. But Haider singles out the Zia ul Haq regime and the period after that for its extreme corruption where kickbacks were “received on every commercial deal” (page 388). A US $ 890 million deal with France for Submarines was inflated to US$ 1.2 billion for the kickbacks. In a later deal shoulder fired Mistral SAMs were hurriedly acquired on the pretext that an Indian and Israeli attack was imminent on the Kahuta nuclear complex, despite the fact that such missiles would be useless in the event of such an attack.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Sriman » 13 Nov 2010 07:35

Gola has been recently spouting off on the GDP growth when he was the president. Here's an old analysis on the economic policies under him by Kaiser Bengali:

http://teeth.com.pk/blog/2008/01/27/kai ... aukat-aziz

I can't make sense of it beyond a level, may be some one like Hari can.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Kati » 13 Nov 2010 09:08

Gola is now wooing amriikan business circles......
tauba tauba...many of them are jews though.....

http://www.prlog.org/11067277-musharraf ... -2010.html

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Raja Bose » 13 Nov 2010 09:56

chetak wrote:http://www.indianexpress.com/news/pak-parl-passes-motion-against-us-support-for-indias-unsc-bid/710317/


Pak parl passes motion against US support for India's UNSC bid
Fri Nov 12 2010


Was it loose motion (as prescribed by Lt. Col. Isab Gul)?

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Postby svinayak » 13 Nov 2010 11:07

SSridhar wrote: There is another thing which is also noticed. These Pakistanis consider themselves 'Indians' in the sense they are not inside India but they are entitled to all the good things which given to Indian elite. They complain and demand from US as if they own India and Indians.
Acharya, that sense of entitlement comes from the 'ruling class' mentality that is claimed to stretch back for a thousand years. It was the reason that Pakistanis feel that the British, who usurped India from the Mughals, should have handed over India back to the Muslims who were the rightful heirs rather than to a bunch of political leaders almost all of whom were Hindus. Jinnah even contested referring to India as 'India' because the Indus belonged to the Pakistanis and they were the Indians.

There is no way a Pakistani mind can be made to see reason. It is a sheer waste of time doing that. Pakistan will remain implacably inimical to us.

Sridhar Garu, This is a narration and I know that but I am saying as is in TSP mind. It is unique only inside the TSP mind
I know that, you know this material and this is for the rest of the folks.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby SSridhar » 13 Nov 2010 11:20

Pakistan used terror as a hedge against India: Ms. Clinton
“They (Pakistan) have in the past hedged against both India and an unfriendly regime in Afghanistan by supporting groups that will be their proxies in trying to prevent either India or an unfriendly Afghan government from undermining their position,” she said.

Ms. Clinton said now things are “changing”, but she cannot confirm whether Pakistan has stopped the use of terror against India and Afghanistan. “That is changing... Now, I cannot sit here and tell you that it has changed, but that is changing,” she told ABC News in an interview, the transcripts of which was released by the State Department.


The word 'hedge' bestows respectability to the use of terror by a nation-state. Hedging is an honourable way of protecting oneself against losses. But, terrorism and violence, can, by no stretch of imagination, be termed as honourable tools by a state against another. Besides, Pakistan has used terror aggressively as a first option unless such use is also defended as 'aggression is the best form of defence'.

Also, one can see a fine play of words here by Ms. Clinton. By characterising the Afghan regime as unfriendly and thus to an extent condoning Pakistani terror therefore, an impression can be created in American minds, which in any case know next to nothing about India's suffering under Pakistani terror, of an equally 'unfriendly' Indian regime and thus a justification for use of terror.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Prem » 13 Nov 2010 11:27

IF you still doubt Poakstan =Islam. Here is Poakaducation .
Is this education?
Inbreeder .Al Rehman
It is easy to see what kinds of half-truths and distorted facts are dinned into children`s ears. The attempt at converting and reconverting Muslim children to Islam, and putting each hero in religious clothes can induce boredom or worse reactions. Introduction to religious belief is one thing. An obsession with religiosity is far less creditable. Apart from undermining the purpose of education such exercises confuse impressionable minds and cause a huge waste of time, to use an expression favoured by great religious authorities such as Aurangzeb and Sir Syed.
— Democracy and dictatorship have seven merits and eight demerits each. A merit of dictatorship is that under it “the whole nation is inspired by the will to progress and each citizen considers honest labour as his duty and therefore the pace of creativity and progress is fast”. Another merit of dictatorship is that “because of the absence of opposition political parties the people are rid of partisan politics and factionalism; the people`s solidarity and national unity are assured and this makes the country prosperous”. (Civics, Classes 9-10)
— “One merit of Urdu language is that it upholds Islamic civilisation and culture: therefore, its promotion is one of our important obligations from the religious and national point of view, too.” ( Ibid )
— “Provincialism is a curse that undermines national unity. Some opportunist elements fan provincial and regional affiliations; we should eradicate such trends.” ( Ibid )
— The Khilafat movement is discussed over four pages in the textbook for class 12 but there is no reference to what the Quaid thought of it.
— A demerit of the federal system: “Dictatorial attitude of the judiciary”… “the central government and the governments of the units often quarrel with one another and this, on the one hand, weakens the federation and, on the other, the judiciary, as the superior guardian of the constitution, gets an opportunity to intervene”. (Book for class 12)
When a student reads that it is necessary to practically enforce the divinely ordained system in Pakistan so that the Islamic revolution prevails across the globe (book for classes 9-10), he might wonder as to what is wrong with the Taliban. More objectionable are omissions such as the absence of any reference to the havoc caused in Pakistan by authoritarian regimes and war-mongers.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Ashley Kravitz » 13 Nov 2010 11:37

In a Business Plus programme, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf Sindh President Naeemul Haq threw a glass towards Sindh Chief Minister Qaim Ali Shah's adviser Jamil Soomro. During the programme 'The Pulse', Haq strongly criticised Soomro's leadership, alleging the government had failed to rule. But on receiving a defensive statement from the CM's adviser, the PTI leader hurled a glass of water towards him. Both the political leaders got furious and started arguing with each other, while the audience was amazed at watching such an 'action-packed' show.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Theo_Fidel » 13 Nov 2010 11:43

Wow! Action packed is right.

I feel for Nehru and Patel who had to deal with these feudal types first hand! :eek:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby svinayak » 13 Nov 2010 11:56

Theo_Fidel wrote:Wow! Action packed is right.

I feel for Nehru and Patel who had to deal with these feudal types first hand! :eek:

All the Ashrafs in the sub continent are like this.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

Postby Arjun » 13 Nov 2010 13:22

SSridhar wrote:Pakistan used terror as a hedge against India: Ms. Clinton
The word 'hedge' bestows respectability to the use of terror by a nation-state.

Appalling language from Clinton. She is the one who seems to be hedging...while it is good that she is explicit regarding Pakistan's intentions, she feels the need to qualify it in the same breath. Unless the US moves to unqualified denunciation, India should use similar qualified language with regard to terrorists attacking the US.


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