Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2010

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby SSridhar » 25 Jan 2011 20:25

Ambar wrote:About Col.Imam, when Khalid Khwaja was killed last year the general opinion on BRF was that he was taken away by ISI . . .

From my post of April 11, 2010
Militants in no mood to talk

"For us Colonel Imam was not a mujahid. If he was assumed in the past as the father of the Taliban, he did that as a government employee - being an army officer. He still receives a pension from the Pakistan army. To us he is their man," said Usman Punjabi.




This is jihad, pure and simple. The PA knows what has been coming. It wants desperately to retain control of the remaining assets such as LeT and possibly some individual leaders in other tanzeems. Otherwise, it has lost everything for now. If Sultan Tarar (Col. Imam) is killed by the Punjabi Taliban, it would confirm this. What a change of fortune !

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby Gus » 25 Jan 2011 20:42

shiv wrote:Islam clearly puts a man's worth above that of a woman despite protestations to the contrary.


This thinking is there in all cultures to varying degrees, but Islam has it institutionalized.

Males can marry women from 'people of book' without converting them. But females are not allowed to marry those who are not converted. it's really a tribal behavior made global.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby ramana » 25 Jan 2011 21:27

Tarrar aka Col. Imam wont get the 72 raisns. he was hallaled by more purer than him. So no dice.

Need to edumacate MKB on the 72 algorithm

One gets 72 only when the executed is purer than the executors.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby Johann » 25 Jan 2011 22:32

I doubt Tarar was intentionally killed by the Pakiban. If anything killed him, its the stress of realising how little his freedom mattered to the ISI and PA brass despite everything he had done for the cause of Pakistan and Islam. It is quite a devastating discovery late in life that you risked your life for years for a bunch of vultures.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/MA25Df03.html

Late last week, Imam spoke to family members on the phone. Militants, too, spoke to the family and were very respectful. "Colonel Imam is a respected elder to us. We have put certain demands to the government. It is our compulsion that as long as our demands are not fulfilled, we cannot release him. Try to understand our position. Otherwise, he is at home. He is getting all medicine and care," the militants said. Imam also sounded as if he was comfortable and in a friendly environment.

He was abducted by a group of Punjabi militants in March 2010 along with a British journalist, Asad Qureshi, and another former ISI official, Khalid Khawaja, who was subsequently killed.

Most militant groups denounced the abduction. Taliban leader Mullah Omar sent a message to the militants calling for their release. However, the ringleader, Ali Imran alias Usman Punjabi, would not listen and killed Khawaja. Qureshi was released, allegedly after paying a huge ransom. On what to do with Imam, the militants were divided in two groups. Those led by Sabir Mehsud killed Usman Punjabi along with five of his accomplices. The issue was then brought to the leader of the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP - Pakistan Taliban) Hakimullah Mehsud, who took Imam into his custody and executed Sabir Mehsud for killing Usman Punjabi.

Since then, the Pakistani security forces have tried to establish a channel of communication with Mehsud for the release of Imam. The mediator has been Maulana Fazlur Rahman Khalil, a chief of the banned Harkatul Mujahideen. Khalil took guarantees on behalf of the militants that Imam would not be killed.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby ramana » 25 Jan 2011 22:36

Doesn't matter. He isn't getting his raisins and that should count for a fake Islamist.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby Brad Goodman » 25 Jan 2011 23:12


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Postby Brad Goodman » 25 Jan 2011 23:14

Pakistan warns against India nuclear support

GENEVA: Pakistan warned on Tuesday that growing international support for rival India’s nuclear programme would force Islamabad to bolster its deterrence and destabilise the region

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby Johann » 25 Jan 2011 23:16

Ramana,

The presentation of his death in Pakistan matters a great deal in terms of public narratives.

Khalid Khwaja's body was dumped on the roadside with a note, the way that the Pakiban treats all traitors. He was forced to make a confession video (something borrowed from Hamas, but anyway) as an agent of the kafir CIA, etc, etc before his execution.

Tarrar's body is *not* being given the same treatment. His video was an indictment of the Pakistani government rather than himself.

To me that suggests that the highest levels of the Pakiban do not want to burn all their bridges its semi-sympathetic audience within the Pakistani security establishment, the people like Gul. Lower level commanders are a different story, but that is not unusual.

What that means in turn is that the informal cease-fire between the PA and the Pakiban that held for most of 2010 because neither side has the appetite for what would come next.

It remains to be seen if it can hold up under US pressure, and the tide of events in Af-Pak. The PA is wagering just about everything that the Americans are going to leave Afghanistan over the next year. The truth is they can not. The Predator drone program can't work without US and NATO troops to provide cover for the Afghan paramilitary forces operating in FATA that provide the intelligence for the strikes.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby darshhan » 25 Jan 2011 23:29

Guys I had a question regarding Pakjab.Do Pakjabis still speak some variant of Punjabi or they have moved enmasse to urdu?

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Postby Virupaksha » 25 Jan 2011 23:34

darshhan wrote:Guys I had a question regarding Pakjab.Do Pakjabis still speak some variant of Punjabi or they have moved enmasse to urdu?

urdu in Pakistan is the "official" as well as only mohajir language

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby ramana » 25 Jan 2011 23:35

Pakjabi speak Punjabi in Persian script.
Urdu is mohajir language. The new generations speak Urdu and look down on the other language.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby saip » 25 Jan 2011 23:56

Like a dog biting a man is no news, I know Six Pakistanis getting arrested for terrorism is no news. But anyway, CNN is reporting just that (scrawling text on the screen)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby surinder » 26 Jan 2011 00:20

darshhan wrote:Guys I had a question regarding Pakjab.Do Pakjabis still speak some variant of Punjabi or they have moved enmasse to urdu?


50% of Pakis have Punjabi as mother toungue; they can easily speak it and understand it. Many Sindhis, Mohajirs and Pathans also speak or understand it. Most Pakjabis would want to run away from this language as fast as they can. They speak Hindi (called Urdu) and english. Speaking Hindi/Urdu is considered sophisticated; speaking Punjabi is cnsidered either uncouth or eneducated or lower class. Educated Pakjabis use Punjabi either to to talk to lower-class Punjabis (supposedly who are not educated enough to speak in Urdu/Hindi), or they speak it when either they (a) tell jokes, (b) general street fighting and bravado, and (c) shooting the breeze with friends.

Why they look upon their own mother toungue is something bizzarre. (For what it is worth, many in Indian Punjab also do.)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby anandsgh » 26 Jan 2011 00:48

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nqjGJ57cUY

Gola Mushy objects on clubbing Pak with Afghans and jumps to == with us. As I understood him he said Terrorism in Kashmir is fuelling terrorism in Pakiland.
(2:50-3:00). Radicalised Indian Muslim youth -- drone attacks -- Indian Nuclear Deal -- Khujli in Musharraf -- Gola pulls all causes on earth in response to Kargil.

Is the media not bored of listening his rhetoric and repeatd answers?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby darshhan » 26 Jan 2011 01:13

surinder wrote:
darshhan wrote:Guys I had a question regarding Pakjab.Do Pakjabis still speak some variant of Punjabi or they have moved enmasse to urdu?


50% of Pakis have Punjabi as mother toungue; they can easily speak it and understand it. Many Sindhis, Mohajirs and Pathans also speak or understand it. Most Pakjabis would want to run away from this language as fast as they can. They speak Hindi (called Urdu) and english. Speaking Hindi/Urdu is considered sophisticated; speaking Punjabi is cnsidered either uncouth or eneducated or lower class. Educated Pakjabis use Punjabi either to to talk to lower-class Punjabis (supposedly who are not educated enough to speak in Urdu/Hindi), or they speak it when either they (a) tell jokes, (b) general street fighting and bravado, and (c) shooting the breeze with friends.

Why they look upon their own mother toungue is something bizzarre. (For what it is worth, many in Indian Punjab also do.)


Surinder ji.I was also thinking the same.The reason I asked this question was because in all the TV programs and interviews Pakjabis are speaking Urdu and are fairly fluent in it.So it means that number of urdu speakers(as the first language) in Pakistan must have increased since the time of partition.

There might be another reason for this in addition to being perceived as sophisticated.It might be the case that punjabi is considered to be an infidel language and urdu an islamic one.Hence Pakjabis are ditching this language.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby KJo » 26 Jan 2011 02:17

surinder wrote:Why they look upon their own mother toungue is something bizzarre. (For what it is worth, many in Indian Punjab also do.)


This is present in other communities in India also. I see it in Kannada and Konkani communities. Tamil, Gujarati and Andhra communities have a lot fo pride.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby Prem » 26 Jan 2011 03:17

KJoishy wrote:
surinder wrote:Why they look upon their own mother toungue is something bizzarre. (For what it is worth, many in Indian Punjab also do.)


For Poaks , its all about Father and they know onlee one thing about mother and mother's mother and that is not about tongue. Even though this man is good
Rahat Fateh Ali Khan - Maa part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nelb36KUMsY

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby surinder » 26 Jan 2011 04:09

^^^

darshhan wrote:Surinder ji.I was also thinking the same.The reason I asked this question was because in all the TV programs and interviews Pakjabis are speaking Urdu and are fairly fluent in it.So it means that number of urdu speakers(as the first language) in Pakistan must have increased since the time of partition.
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It is true that number of Urdu/Hindi speakers have been increasing. It also means that in the limiting case of 100% literacy + few generations, Punjabi would vanish. It is considered a crude, obsence language of the village bumpkins and the illeterate and the unsophisticated. Even pathans have picked up Hindu/Urdu, and it has gained penetration even in A'stan.

As you well know, the national language of Izaslam in India is Urdu. Urdu is basically Hindi, a stylistic variant of Hindi. it is in reality no more closer to Arabic than Punjabi is. It is associated with Mughal rule, while in reality it is only related to the declne of it. This language thing is also a myth. The whole concept foundation of TSP is full of Myths, and this is just one of them.

PS: Regarding the pan-subcontinent status uf "Urdu" for IM's is seen by the fact that Kashmiris have that as their state language, not Kashmiri. Non-Gangegetic bel IM's use it with pride, even when they stammer in it. Hyderabadi IM, Tamil IM's, etc. A Marathi IM will marry with vows in Urdu, not Marathi or Araabic.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby GuruPrabhu » 26 Jan 2011 05:18

Brad Goodman wrote:Pakistan warns against India nuclear support

GENEVA: Pakistan warned on Tuesday that growing international support for rival India’s nuclear programme would force Islamabad to bolster its deterrence and destabilise the region


The implication is that Paquis have been thus far unilaterally holding back on bolstering their deterrence. :lol:

but, bhaat eej thees?

“As a consequence Pakistan will be forced to take measures to ensure the credibility of its deterrence. The cumulative impact would be to destabilise the security environment in South Asia and beyond,” he told the conference.


is it currently not credible or incredible? :rotfl:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby krisna » 26 Jan 2011 05:44

Balkanizing Pakistan: A Collective National Security Strategy
The argument for Balkanizing Pakistan or, more specifically, fragmenting the Islamic Republic so it's easier to police and economically develop, has been on the table since Pakistan's birth in 1947 when the country was spit out of a British laboratory. And lately, the concept is looking more appealing by the day, because as a result of flawed boundaries combined with the nexus between military rule and Islamic extremism, Pakistan now finds itself on a rapid descent toward certain collapse and the country's leaders stubbornly refuse to do the things required to change course. But before allowing Pakistan to commit state suicide, self-disintegrate and further destabilize the region, the international community can beat them to the punch and deconstruct the country less violently.

To quell any doubts about Pakistan's seemingly uncontrollable spiral into darkness, just recently, Foreign Policy Magazine ranked Pakistan as the tenth most failed state on earth and it would seem its leaders are hell bent on securing the number one slot - an honor it can add to their already dubious distinction as the world's largest incubator of jihadist extremism.
:P
The most popular approach to fragmentation is to break off and allow Afghanistan to absorb Pakistan's North-West Frontier Province (NWFP) and the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), which would unite the Pashtun tribes(derecognise durand line which SS saran-durand line had suggested in sept 15 2010 article) . In addition, the provinces of Balochistan and Sindh would become independent sovereign states, leaving Punjab as a standalone entity.

Balkanization is based on the premise that the weak central government in Islamabad is incapable of governing Pakistan's frontiers, which have become the number one source of regional instability.

Punjabis who represent 40% of the population constitute 90% of the armed forces. Pakistan's own history provides a prime case study of what happens when an ethnic group can no longer tolerate political and economic disregard. After a quarter century of strife the Bengalis rebelled, seceded and founded Bangladesh in 1971.

Pakistan's birth
Pakistan's problems began when the British drew its boundaries haphazardly, which was primarily a product of incompetence and haste than maniacal design. According to an article in the New York Times last year, British colonial officer, Sir Cyril Radcliffe was given six weeks to carve a Muslim-majority state from British India although he had never even been there before. Radcliffe's private secretary was quoted as saying that Sir Cyril "was a bit flummoxed by the whole thing. It was a rather impossible assignment, really. To partition that subcontinent in six weeks was absurd." It would be a comical anecdote except for the fact that hundreds of thousands of people died in the ethnic cleansing that followed as a direct result of British carelessness.

Pakistan's border with Afghanistan - the poorly-marked Durand Line - had been drawn in 1893, also by the British, but it was never meant to be a long-term legally-binding boundary.

Hitchens also said the country was doomed to be a dysfunctional military theocracy from day one - beginning with the very name of the country itself:

what is in a name.
But then, there is a certain hypocrisy inscribed in the very origins and nature of "Pakistan". The name is no more than an acronym, confected in the 1930s at Cambridge University by a NW Muslim propagandist named Chaudhri Rahmat Ali. It stands for Punjab, Afghania, Kashmir, and Indus-Sind, plus the suffix "-stan," meaning "land." In the Urdu tongue, the resulting word means "Land of the Pure."

Pakistan is one of the clearest demonstrations of the futility of defining a nation by religion, and one of the textbook failures of a state and a society.

Yet, based on its strategic decision to foster extremism and its recent public support for Taliban rule in Afghanistan, it appears the biggest existential threat to Pakistan is its own political and military leaders.
(gun to its own head syndrome)
I contacted an Afghan intelligence analyst about this and he assessed General Kayani's claim with one single word: rubbish. The Pakistan army consists of 500,000 active duty troops and another 500,000 on reserve. If Pakistan truly wanted to capture the Haqqani Network they would be able to drag them out of their caves by their beards within a few days.
:wink:
However, there is a higher probability of General Kayani converting to Hinduism than there is of the Haqqani Network ever being decoupled from Al Qaeda.
8)
An Institute for the Study of War analysis concluded that Haqqani was "irreconcilable" and negotiations with him would actually strengthen Al Qaeda and would undermine the raison d'etre for U.S. involvement in Afghanistan over the past decade.

Nine years, nearly $300 billion dollars and 1900 dead coalition soldiers later, the U.S. has officially verified that the entire war effort has been focused on the wrong side of the mountains.
:oops: :oops:
A stable Afghanistan is in Pakistan's best interests, but this message has been preached time and again with little to no results, and the U.S. has waited long enough for Pakistan's leaders to uproot the extremists that orchestrated 9/11. But now, it appears as if the international community will have to do it for them.


Looks like the end result of balkanisation is good for everyone but the reason west wants -- protection from TSP attacks on the west onlee.
India will not complain if TSP commits suicide helped by west in the process.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby arun » 26 Jan 2011 08:10

The BBC on the religious doctrine inspired intra-Mohammadden bloodletting in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Truly amazing that a nation that touts itself as having been created to provide a safe haven for the Mohamadden’s of the Indian sub-continent has so frequently instances of her citizens being killed purely for being Mohammadden’s of what is perceived as a deviant variant by yet another set of Mohammadden’s :roll: :

Pakistan's evolving sectarian schism

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby krisna » 26 Jan 2011 08:31

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Pakistan has eight million addicts of narcotics and drug users. Not only are many of these addicts a burden in terms of economy, they also pose a danger to society when they take to crime in order to sustain their addiction. Drug production for Pakistan's domestic market is estimated at close to $1.5 billion. It appears that only three percent of the gross profits from the illegal opium industry remain within Pakistan. Afghanistan tops the Poppy Cultivation countries. Along side the Pak-Afghan border cultivation of Poppy has increased despite ongoing war against terrorism in that area, adding anti narcotics department of Pakistan has rooted out the poppy cultivation from tribal areas. Pakistan is today notorious for many things, but in the last 20 years, drug production and addiction has increasingly become just one of them. The issue of drug addiction is often overshadowed by the many of the country's other human development problems, such as poverty, illiteracy and lack of basic health care. But the fact is, drug abuse is rapidly growing in Pakistan and in South Asia in general. While Bangladesh, India, Nepal and Maldives all suffer from this, Pakistan is the worst victim of the narcotics trade in South Asia. Today, the country has the largest heroin consumer market in the south-west Asia region. It wasn't always this way. Pakistan became a major exporter of heroin in the 1980s, following the influx of Afghan refugees. The major consequence of this has been a significant increase in domestic consumption of heroin in Pakistan. Heroin was once upon a time a drug which was virtually unknown in the country until the late 1970s. Today, Pakistan is not only one of the main exporters of heroin, it has also become a net importer of drugs. It is estimated that about 50 tons of opium are smuggled into Pakistan for processing heroin for domestic use. Almost 80 percent of the opium processed in Pakistan comes from neighboring countries. Widespread drug abuse may be indicated by the fact that almost five percent of the adult population is using drugs in Pakistan. As a proportion of drug abusers, heroin users have increased from 7.5 percent in 1983 to a shocking 51 percent a decade later in 1993. Although almost all South Asian countries have enacted strict laws for fighting drug trafficking and drug use, these measures have produced very disappointing results. One problem is that corruption has also touched the fight against drug abuse in Pakistan and other South Asian countries, since drug traffickers often escape punishment by giving bribes to get out of being held accountable for their actions. Teenage girls are likely to abuse substances in order to lose weight, relieve stress or boredom, improve their mood, reduce sexual inhibitions, self-medicate depression and increase confidence. Women who seek treatment for alcohol and drug problems report a connection among domestic violence, childhood abuse, and substance abuse. One woman said she had suffered from physical, mental and financial abuse before turning to drugs. "I don't know why I didn't realise it", the woman, 42, said of her addiction, but "I didn't deserve what my husband put me through". Drug addiction has increased steadily among girls and women. The youth of today are a pathetic sight. Greater attention is being paid to create awareness among the people about the dangers of narcotics abuse and the ways to avoid it. Women, especially young girls belonging to "elite backgrounds", are becoming addicts. Some women are not aware of the narcotics they are taking. Written By Aziz Sanghur

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Postby krisna » 26 Jan 2011 08:41

X post from India-US thread
How US glosses over the truth
In January 2000 Congressman Frank Pallone introduced a House Resolution seeking to designate Pakistan as state sponsor of terrorism. The Resolution listed specific charges against Pakistan and its promotion of cross-border terrorism. The draft was sent to a sub-committee where it died. The State Department marked its copy ‘What a bunch of crap!’

Perhaps out of curiosity, Ms Barbara Elias, the Director for the Afghanistan, Pakistan, Taliban Documentation Project at the National Security Archive of the George Washington University, filed an appeal with the Department of State’s Appeals Review Panel. She asked what American diplomacy had to hide. Two years later, Ms Elias finally won her appeal. To her surprise, she found the words: “What a bunch of crap!”
Ms Elias commented in her blog at the National Security Archives: “I had a hearty chuckle, finding it quite funny that a person employed by the Department of State (I don’t know who) would write ‘bunch of crap!!’ on a copy of a House resolution, and that the Department of State had tried so hard to prevent the public from knowing it had ever happened.”

Nineteen months before 9/11, the Resolution tabled by Democrat Pallone and one of his Republican colleagues was quite visionary. It is worth quoting some of their points:


* Whereas reliable reports from Western media sources have cited Pakistan as a base and training ground for terrorist groups, and the Pakistani Government’s demonstrated reluctance to halt the use of its soil for terrorist organisations;

* Whereas media reports have implicated Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence directly in terrorist activities, as well as the international drug trade;

* Whereas a large number of terrorist organisations, such as the Harkat-ul-Ansar (later re-named Harkat-ul-Mujahideen), Lashkar-e-Tayyeba, Hizbul Mujahideen, Hizbe Wahdat, Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Sipah-e-Mohammad Pakistan, and Al Badr are based and receive support from Pakistan;

* Whereas Pakistan has hindered US and international efforts to apprehend Osama bin Laden;

* Whereas in November 1979, according to the US Department of State, the Government of Pakistan allowed for the US Embassy and the American Cultural Center in Pakistan to be destroyed by fire, which led to the death of two Americans;

* Whereas Pakistan has acknowledged its ‘political and moral’ support of the separatist movement in Kashmir...

This is what someone in the US State Department called “crap”!

In the wake of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, improving relations with Islamabad became top priority for Washington, DC. According to CIA documents, Pakistani officials knew that Washington was “reconciled to a Pakistani nuclear weapons capability”.

Another briefing of National Security Archives points out: “China’s role as a leading provider of sensitive technology to Pakistan has repeatedly strained US-China relations, and has complicated efforts to expand US-China trade.” Business may have been more ‘complicated’ for the Americans, but the fact remains that China has been Pakistan’s main support to acquire the bomb.

Another declassified document admits that during the 1980s, “the US was criticised for providing massive levels of aid to Pakistan, its military ally, despite laws barring assistance to any country that imported certain technology related to nuclear weapons. President Ronald Reagan waived the legislation, arguing that cutting off aid would harm US national interests”.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby anupmisra » 26 Jan 2011 10:04

Altafbhai wants a revolution
Altaf calls for martial law in Punjab
Yeah, right!

Altaf Hussain said on Monday that martial law should be imposed in Punjab since crimes against women and kidnappings for ransom were rife in the province.
Mr Hussain said a “revolution is unavoidable”
if necessary, he would return to the country to make it truly independent and self-reliant and provide better living condition to people
“If the armed forces do not act now, they would also be put in the dock in case of a revolution by people,”
He said the MQM did not believe in ethnicity
“If the military or the judiciary tries to obstruct my way, I will not bow before them and stand by the people.”


There you have it. Altafbhai el Salahuddin.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby Singha » 26 Jan 2011 11:00

100 mil people in PAk will kill or drive out the rest 100 mil as unfaithful/kafir/not faithful enough
then the remaining 50 mil will fight the other 50 mil
and so on until only 2 people are left
the Survivor will be declared as the most faithful and the Mahdi...but there will be nobody left as camp follower and soldier...

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby Himalay » 26 Jan 2011 11:24

But then, there is a certain hypocrisy inscribed in the very origins and nature of "Pakistan". The name is no more than an acronym, confected in the 1930s at Cambridge University by a NW Muslim propagandist named Chaudhri Rahmat Ali. It stands for Punjab, Afghania, Kashmir, and Indus-Sind, plus the suffix "-stan," meaning "land." In the Urdu tongue, the resulting word means "Land of the Pure."


Why Bangla was not included in the acronym, did they foresee splitting of East Pakistan, back then in 1930s??

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby ramana » 26 Jan 2011 11:40

East Bengal was bonus.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby abhishek_sharma » 26 Jan 2011 12:16

Six things that worry the former director of the CIA, Gen. Michael Hayden

http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/01/25/six_things_that_worry_the_former_director_of_the_cia_gen_michael_hayden

No. 6: South Asia (namely Afghanistan and Pakistan)
Hayden believes that the United States has a winnable strategy in Afghanistan and needs to stay the course. He argued that the two main things that unify Pakistan are Islam and the fact that it is not India. The unifying principle of Islam becomes more powerful when other elements of statehood appear more fragile.

His AfPak bottom line: America's willingness to commit to at least 2014 in Afghanistan is positive and political and economic stability are needed in Pakistan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby abhishek_sharma » 26 Jan 2011 12:21

Pakistan's war against polio

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/01/25/pakistans_war_against_polio

Polio remains endemic in four countries - Afghanistan, India, Nigeria and Pakistan. Of these four, Pakistan has accounted for 60 percent of cases this year, and it is likely, that any road to polio eradication passes through Pakistan, especially the restive war-torn tribal areas abutting Afghanistan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby Pratyush » 26 Jan 2011 12:56

RajeshA wrote:
partha wrote:I am for Big Boss 5 with Paki chicks and Yindoo men. That will put whole of Pak on fire.


Perhaps time for catalog RAPE brides from Pakistan, hand delivered to an address in India, all pretrained in Gayatri Mantra!


Mail order paki brides. This is L&M material. :rotfl:

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Postby Pranav » 26 Jan 2011 13:48

Johann wrote:I doubt Tarar was intentionally killed by the Pakiban. If anything killed him, its the stress of realising how little his freedom mattered to the ISI and PA brass despite everything he had done for the cause of Pakistan and Islam. It is quite a devastating discovery late in life that you risked your life for years for a bunch of vultures.



Actually this Iman alias Tarar was even dragged out of his cell and subjected to a mock execution. See http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... rdeal.html

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Postby SSridhar » 26 Jan 2011 16:01

arun wrote:. . . Truly amazing that a nation that touts itself as having been created to provide a safe haven for the Mohamadden’s . . .

Which Mohammedans ? That is the question that is at the core. Slowly, we got the answer as the haze lifted and visibility improved. For now we know, it is for the Mohammedans of the Sunni/Salafi/Wahhabi/Deobandi variety until such time they begin to start fighting among themselves as to who is even purer.

Leaving that aside, Jinnah (who was also THE Muslim League), never had a vision for the Pakistan that he wanted. He made compromises everywhere to create his personal dream of a nation that would equate him with Mahatma Gandhi. He gave all kinds of promises to ulema, pirs, landed gentry, nawabs, industrialists, socialists etc. All these came back to haunt Pakistan, tearing it asunder. Jinnah thought that pandering to reactionary forces was better than compromising with the Congress. Economic agenda was never part of the Muslim League. It can only be conjectured why it was so. Probably, Jinnah and his cohorts thought that Britain and the US would come to Pakistan's support as they needed Pakistan more than it was the other way. This lack of attention to economy also added to the ire of the Deobandi Islamists as they wanted the agenda to be compliant with their version of Islam. So, in every way, Jinnah created the mess that is today's Pakistan.

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Postby SSridhar » 26 Jan 2011 16:16

Pranav wrote:
Johann wrote:I doubt Tarar was intentionally killed by the Pakiban. If anything killed him, its the stress of realising how little his freedom mattered to the ISI and PA brass despite everything he had done for the cause of Pakistan and Islam. It is quite a devastating discovery late in life that you risked your life for years for a bunch of vultures.



Actually this Iman alias Tarar was even dragged out of his cell and subjected to a mock execution. See http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... rdeal.html

Yes, the others were even made to witness the mock execution. One doesn't subject a person held in esteem to such actions. Moreover,
A friend of the family said: "Asad was frequently whipped and beaten, as were the others. "
I presume that 'the others' would include Col. Imam as well. Also, note the following:
Since Mr Qureshi's release there has been no word of Colonel Tarar, who was last seen pleading for his life on a video released in July.

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Postby RajeshA » 26 Jan 2011 16:43

RajeshA wrote:
partha wrote:I am for Big Boss 5 with Paki chicks and Yindoo men. That will put whole of Pak on fire.


Perhaps time for catalog RAPE brides from Pakistan, hand delivered to an address in India, all pretrained in Gayatri Mantra!
Pratyush wrote:Mail order paki brides. This is L&M material. :rotfl:

Pratyush ji,
The Indian Economic Juggernaut should keep on rolling, as Pakistani economy tanks. Give it another decade, and we will see, Pakistani families willing to give away their daughters to Indian men, and not just Muslims, but to the most kaffir of men, so that some monthly "stipend" back to their families in Pakistan, keeps them afloat.

If India can ensure, that the Islamists in Pakistan do not succeed in closing off all avenues of Bollywood entertainment coming in into Pakistan, and the people-to-people contact can continue, then that is the logical conclusion. Once it becomes a trickle, it becomes a stream. Once it becomes a stream, it becomes a flood. All Pakistanis are about to become our saale.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby Raghavendra » 26 Jan 2011 17:09

Moscow airport bomb: suicide bombers were part of squad trained in Pakistan http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... istan.html

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Postby RajeshA » 26 Jan 2011 17:30

Raghavendra wrote:Moscow airport bomb: suicide bombers were part of squad trained in Pakistan http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... istan.html

Now comes the milking!

If Russia wants to check this menace, one measure would be to allow NATO to supply its troops the ISAF in Afghanistan through Russia and Central Asia (Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan/Turkmenistan).

Secondly Russia should join in in the fight - perhaps special ops in FATA, and in opium eradication.

By still wavering, the Russians are playing with the lives of their citizens. Pakistan should lose all sway they have regarding supply lines into Afghanistan.

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Postby A_Gupta » 26 Jan 2011 18:10

http://www.dawn.com/2011/01/26/na-bill- ... uages.html

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan will have up to eight national languages — not just Urdu — if a private bill introduced in the National Assembly on Tuesday without any government objection is passed by parliament as a constitutional amendment.

The introduction of the long-pending and potentially divisive bill came after the government said it had no objection to the process, but there was no immediate indication if the ruling Pakistan People`s Party (PPP) would actually back the draft, most of whose 22 authors are its members, with Nawab Mohammad Yusuf Talpur on the top of the list, along with some well-known members of the opposition Pakistan Muslim League-Q.


What is called the Constitution (Amendment) Bill 2011 — a nomenclature that could be changed by the house standing committee on law and justice during its scrutiny — seeks to replace the Article 251 of the constitution that specifies only Urdu as the national language with a new one that says: “The national languages of Pakistan are Balochi, Punjabi, Pushto, Shina/Balti, Sindhi, Saraiki and Urdu.”

The inclusion of `Shina/Balti` — actually two languages cited in one entry — in the list was a surprise oddity as they are among some five major dialects spoken in the Gilgit-Baltistan region which has not been cited in the Constitution as a part of Pakistan, and there are several other dialects spoken by even larger populations such as Hindku in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Brahvi in Balochistan and Gujrati in Sindh.

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Postby abhijitm » 26 Jan 2011 18:42

Raghavendra wrote:Moscow airport bomb: suicide bombers were part of squad trained in Pakistan http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... istan.html

Expected. Porkistan has once again proved its tag of 'epicenter of global terrorism'. But the question remains on how to deal with this menace?
I think let them rot in the hell called pakistan is the best punishment.

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Postby Narad » 26 Jan 2011 20:25



As expected, the targets were less purer breed- the shia'tes and hence wajib-ul-qatl as per pakdulla logic.

Lahore Attack:-

The human bomb went off sometime before the procession to mark the Chehlum of Hazrat Imam Hussain was to pass by the Mori Darwaaza-Urdu Bazaar square, approaching the spot from the north, through the narrow lanes of the walled city.


Karachi Attack:-

The blast took place near a medical centre in Darakhshan Society on the Sharea Faisal, between Malir Halt and Malir 15, at a time when mourners were returning to their homes in Malir after taking part in a Chehlum procession.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby A_Gupta » 26 Jan 2011 20:28

Himalay wrote:
But then, there is a certain hypocrisy inscribed in the very origins and nature of "Pakistan". The name is no more than an acronym, confected in the 1930s at Cambridge University by a NW Muslim propagandist named Chaudhri Rahmat Ali. It stands for Punjab, Afghania, Kashmir, and Indus-Sind, plus the suffix "-stan," meaning "land." In the Urdu tongue, the resulting word means "Land of the Pure."


Why Bangla was not included in the acronym, did they foresee splitting of East Pakistan, back then in 1930s??


If we want to be precise - Pakistan was Chaudhry Rehmat Ali's scheme, that existed along with Bangistan and Osmanistan and other such Muslim areas carved out of India.

In an atmosphere where the Pakistan idea was becoming popular among certain classes of Muslims, the Muslim League came along with the Lahore Resolution, calling for sovereign, independent Muslim states. They explicitly did not call their scheme Pakistan. The press, and virtually everyone however, dubbed the Lahore Resolution as the Pakistan resolution. Jinnah in fact recorded his objection to that, while accepting the use of the name.


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