Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2010

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby surinder » 26 Jan 2011 21:21

^^^ This acronym thingie is also another myth. They had to have the word "Pak", meaning pure, meaning kaafeer-less place. Rest is just putting meaning post facto. For instance, NWFP was never called afghania, Pakjabis have resisted calling it Pakhtunwa and settled for Khyber-Pakthunkwa instead after decades of bitterness on part of Pathans. (If Afghania was the name, then the residents would be Afghanis, no?) Then there is nothing for Baloochistan or Bengal or for that matter Sindh or Mohajirs. One could say that "-stan" is for Baloochistan, but -stan is hardly a name for them. One could also say that "s" in stan is for Sindhis, then what do Baloochis get just "Tan"? Who in TSP wants to be Tanned? They are all fair-skinned.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby ramana » 26 Jan 2011 22:11

True. Its all humbug to fit the name they want.

Kalat was the major area of Balochistan at time of Partition.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby chaanakya » 26 Jan 2011 22:53

^^ From Wikipedia

The suffix -stan (-ston, -stān, spelled ـستان in the Perso-Arabic script) is Persian for "place of", a cognate to Pashto -tun, and the Indo-Aryan equivalent, -sthāna (pronounced [st̪ʰaːna]) (स्थान in the Devanāgarī script), a cognate Sanskrit suffix with a similar meaning. In Indo-Aryan languages, sthāna means "place", and is cognate to the Latin terms, state and status (meaning "to stand").


I would think Stan originally came from Sanskrit word Sthan meaning place or land.say Dharmasthan. Now if seen in this light Pakistan means Land of Pure. Pure meaning Followers of Quran. It was intended to have dual meaning. Second meaning being P for Punjab A for Afgania K for Kashmir\ Sindh and Baluchistan being other areas. Does not fit in the pattern.It gives split personality Striving to be seen as modern yet racing towards middle ages or stone ages.

Irony of their name is "i" in the middle. They think of too much of themselves i.e "i" factor and India is a constant in their thought process splitting pak in the middle with Stan which is derived from Sanskrit.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby Dipanker » 26 Jan 2011 22:57

Raghavendra wrote:Moscow airport bomb: suicide bombers were part of squad trained in Pakistan http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... istan.html



Here is President of Terroristan expressing solidarity with Russians on the same day. Mea Culpa ?

Pakistan expresses solidarity with Russia after attack
ISLAMABAD: President Asif Ali Zardari “strongly condemned” the suicide attack on a Moscow airport that killed 35 people, expressing solidarity on behalf of a country also hit by terrorism.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby nachiket » 26 Jan 2011 22:59

^^Well they have to project an image of being like everyone else. And they condemn terrorist attacks in India too. You can't get more two-faced than that.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby anupmisra » 27 Jan 2011 02:55

ramana wrote:Kalat was the major area of Balochistan at time of Partition.


Aha! The missing "K" in Pa'astan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby anupmisra » 27 Jan 2011 03:04

Pakistan opposes India's entry to nuclear commerce clubs

Pakistan warned major powers on Tuesday against granting India membership of four key multilateral export control regimes that allow trade in nuclear and other materials, as proposed by the United States.
The plan...would further destabilise the volatile nuclear-armed South Asian region, said Zamir Akram, Pakistan's ambassador to the United Nations in Geneva.


Is that the new paki strategy now? Oppose each and every deal that India is working on by threatening the other side(s) that the deal(s) would destabilize their beknighted land?

Lets assume that India is about to enter into a free trade agreement with Burundi (why, dont ask; just assume). In steps the pureland's TFTA representatives asking Burundi for a similar agreement or else. Or else what, ask the poor Burundians? Or else pa'astan and the South Asian region would destabilize, say the TFTA reps. Burundians, of course, not wanting to be the sole reason for a nuclear fallout in South Asia, would immediately back out.

Pakistaniyat at work.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby Anindya » 27 Jan 2011 03:19

Is that the new paki strategy now? Oppose each and every deal that India is working on by threatening the other side(s) that the deal(s) would destabilize their beknighted land?


Pakistan always needs something to threaten the rest of the world with, and get concessions from. Today it is using its control over terrorist forces active in the Af-Pak region, as a mechanism to keep its economy afloat, enrich RAPE families and get massive amounts of cheap high end weapons.

It also realizes that this control over Af-Pak resources will wear thin and it will need additional threats to get its way in the world (within a few years). In a globalized economy, the Pakistani people and economy do not have the wherewithal to compete and pull its economic weight. Pakistanis know this.

The next threat will be loose nukes - to succeed in this overall strategy. Pakistan, according to several reports published here, has expedited nuclear weapons production. What better way to get massive amounts of economic aid and concessions from countries like India, when you can threaten that you have 400 nukes (just a number) some of which may get into the hands of international extremists. This threat will most probably be shown as viable, through a brilliant tactical move of actually making such a nuke available to some terrorists.

Most countries beset with their own problems will provide concessions and ask India to be generous.

Expect this new threat strategy to take a few years to mature but looks like, it is already in the works. Placing impediments in India's path is just potential noise, unless as we see in Kashmir, our own government starts using pusillanimity as a larger strategy.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby sanjaykumar » 27 Jan 2011 03:35

It is civilisational only-what is Har and Ram on one side is haram for the other.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby Ashoka » 27 Jan 2011 03:58

anupmisra wrote:Pakistan opposes India's entry to nuclear commerce clubs

Pakistan warned major powers on Tuesday against granting India membership of four key multilateral export control regimes that allow trade in nuclear and other materials, as proposed by the United States.
The plan...would further destabilise the volatile nuclear-armed South Asian region, said Zamir Akram, Pakistan's ambassador to the United Nations in Geneva.


Is that the new paki strategy now? Oppose each and every deal that India is working on by threatening the other side(s) that the deal(s) would destabilize their beknighted land?

Lets assume that India is about to enter into a free trade agreement with Burundi (why, dont ask; just assume). In steps the pureland's TFTA representatives asking Burundi for a similar agreement or else. Or else what, ask the poor Burundians? Or else pa'astan and the South Asian region would destabilize, say the TFTA reps. Burundians, of course, not wanting to be the sole reason for a nuclear fallout in South Asia, would immediately back out.

Pakistaniyat at work.


My father tells me a story of a mentally unstable beggar who used to live in front of our house back in 80's. For some reasons he used to hate us with his life. He even used to threaten anybody who visited our house for business, he used to chase their cars in anger. Too bad nobody paid any attention to what he was asking. My father still did not harm the beggar, but only kept feeding him.

30 years on, my father has grown his business at least 20 times & the beggar is nowhere to be seen. Any guess where Pakistan's efforts are going?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby Prem » 27 Jan 2011 04:31

Dipanker wrote:
Raghavendra wrote:Moscow airport bomb: suicide bombers were part of squad trained in Pakistan

Pakistan expresses solidarity with Russia after attack
ISLAMABAD: President Asif Ali Zardari “strongly condemned” the suicide attack on a Moscow airport that killed 35 people, expressing solidarity on behalf of a country also hit by terrorism.


Wisdom of Godfather , the murderer takes the lead in bringing the biggest boquet of flowers to pay homage and show sympathy.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby Ambar » 27 Jan 2011 04:40

RajeshA wrote:Now comes the milking!

If Russia wants to check this menace, one measure would be to allow NATO to supply its troops the ISAF in Afghanistan through Russia and Central Asia (Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan/Turkmenistan).

Secondly Russia should join in in the fight - perhaps special ops in FATA, and in opium eradication.

By still wavering, the Russians are playing with the lives of their citizens. Pakistan should lose all sway they have regarding supply lines into Afghanistan.


Or reopen Gulags exclusively for N.Caucasus. Lets admit it, we did not have jihadis running havoc in Russia when commies were still in power. Russia joining NATO in Afghanistan would be a blackhole . But yes, they should open the supply lines to keep Pakis on a leash.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby Prem » 27 Jan 2011 06:18

The better analogy for Poakland.
A poor , ragged ,trashed ,proud Poakudllah and his 12th son from 4th wife were on scavenging hunt after Diwali , picking empty bottles, cans and leftover food near Wagha . They both noticed the women patrolling the border , bright lights as far they could see and loud noices of parties, daru,bhangra , firework, music and traffic jams with private vehicles. Old Poak laughed with pride and told his young Toad , look son, our Ghazi ancestors like Ghauri and Abdali looted these kaffirs many times in last few centuries . Young Toad was puzzled and his little pea brain got rare flash and asked ,Poakabbu , how come these kaffirs are still having so much fun , living the life and we the children of ghazis still looking for somthing to eat in the gutter or food thrown over the fence by Indian?.
Poakabbu sheepingly answered, Puttar, these kuufar will never get Khushbus in this world and 72s in other world and Say thanks to Qaid Djinna for separating us from Kuffar.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby arun » 27 Jan 2011 07:02

X Posted from the Mumbai Terrorist Attack thread.

More from Sebastian Rotella at Pro Publica on the Pakistani fomented 26/11 Islamic Terrorist attack of Mumbai:

Pakistan and the Mumbai Attacks: The Untold Story

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby arun » 27 Jan 2011 07:24

A blow struck for the freeing of Balochistan from the rapacious Pakistani Punjabi grasp:

Bridge blown up in Jaffarabad

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby shiv » 27 Jan 2011 07:57



<yawwwwn> Ho hum. Another meaningless article. The US will do nothing because the US itself is powerless. it has given the kotwal's job to the chor and is itself unable to be kotwal.

Of course that does not make India any more able to do the job. But I see a difference in the way we refer to the US and India. Indians are mocked as being unable to do anything about Pakistan. But the idea that the US also can do nothing about Pakistan is resisted by the idea that the US would be able to do magic if they only realised what Pakistan is doing.

In other words the commonly displayed attitude towards India is:
"India knows who is guilty but is weak and cowardly"

The attitude towards the US is:
"The US is powerful and brave and can take care of any problem. Only the Pakis have them fooled. If the US found out they would crush Pakistan"

This is of course nonsense, but it gives us a straw of hope hat we can cling on to for a few more years. The same "High hopes" attitude is shown towards Paki nukes. On this forum, I have sen, over the years - the opinion that Israel might have dealt with Paki nukes, then the view that the US "has contingency plans" for Paki nukes and more recently "China will reclaim its nukes from Pakistan". These thoughts are merely ways of comforting ourselves and believing that there is a god, or a godfather who will protect us from evil.

Nothing could be further from the truth. We are displaying cognitive dissonance by refusing to accept the obvious. The US, Israel, China etc are totally powerless in handling or checking Pakistan. Incompetent or not, cowardly or not, we have to do it ourselves. If we take a few nukes along the way - let us prepare for it. But we must not depend on the US, Israel or China to contribute even one photon's worth of positivity to the issue.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby SSridhar » 27 Jan 2011 08:44

A snippet from Davos
Martin Sorrell, Chief Executive of WPP, the world's second-biggest advertising group, pointed to other rising stars in the emerging markets.

“This is the decade of Latin America, with Brazil holding the World Cup and the Olympics,'' he said. “And in Asia, it isn't just India and China, but places like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Thailand.''

WTF is he saying ?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby SSridhar » 27 Jan 2011 08:54

Pakistan opposes India's entry into nuclear commerce clubs
Pakistan warned major powers on Tuesday against granting India membership of four key multilateral export control regimes that allow trade in nuclear and other materials, as proposed by the United States.

"These developments will amount to a paradigm shift in strategic terms," Akram said in a speech to the opening session of the UN-sponsored Conference on Disarmament.

"The message that such steps transmit is that the major powers can change the rules of the game if it is in their interest to do so," he added.

"Apart from undermining the validity and sanctity of the international non-proliferation regime, these measures shall further destabilise security in South Asia," Akram said.

"As a consequence, Pakistan will be forced to ensure the credibility of its (nuclear) deterrence," Akram added.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby skumar » 27 Jan 2011 09:27

shiv wrote:

In other words the commonly displayed attitude towards India is:
"India knows who is guilty but is weak and cowardly"

There is an element of truth there which has been demonstrated several times. We choose to be weak and impotent and we show it.

The attitude towards the US is:
"The US is powerful and brave and can take care of any problem. Only the Pakis have them fooled. If the US found out they would crush Pakistan"

There is an element of truth here also which has been demonstrated several times. The US is not acting against Pakistan not because it is afraid to but due to internal constraints which are forcing them to take this path. After Afghanistan and Iraq, the US intent cannot be questioned. If they can do that, what would they have done to Pakistan if a 26/11 happened in the US traceable to Pakistan in whatever form?



Regardless, your conclusion justifies itself. No one is going to do our work for us. But if we cannot deal with Sri Lanka / Bangladesh / Nepal, can we deal with Pakistan and China?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby Johann » 27 Jan 2011 09:35

SSridhar wrote:
Johann wrote:I doubt Tarar was intentionally killed by the Pakiban. If anything killed him, its the stress of realising how little his freedom mattered to the ISI and PA brass despite everything he had done for the cause of Pakistan and Islam. It is quite a devastating discovery late in life that you risked your life for years for a bunch of vultures.



Actually this Iman alias Tarar was even dragged out of his cell and subjected to a mock execution. See http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... rdeal.html
Yes, the others were even made to witness the mock execution. One doesn't subject a person held in esteem to such actions. Moreover,
A friend of the family said: "Asad was frequently whipped and beaten, as were the others. "
I presume that 'the others' would include Col. Imam as well. Also, note the following:
Since Mr Qureshi's release there has been no word of Colonel Tarar, who was last seen pleading for his life on a video released in July.


Tarar was not in the hands of the same people who kidnapped him - the original lot led by Usman Punjabi were a much more radical group than the TTP leadership that eventually got a hold of him. The Punjabi Taliban were more than willing to put a bullet in Tarar, even claiming to the press (AKI, 14 May 2010) that they had a fatwa declaring Tarar a kafir whose life was forfeit.

However Tarar was a valuable enough chip that there has been fighting and killing within the broad umbrella of the TTP over who got to hold him, and seems to have changed hands twice after that. First Usman Punjabi was killed in August, and then Punjabi's killer was himself executed by the TTP leadership in October.

From what I understood, the PA essentially made Tarar's non-execution a condition for maintaining the ceasefire with the TTP after Khwaja's execution. That's part of the reason the TTP denies executing him, and why some of the local residents deny he's even dead. The PA wasn't however willing to go far enough to offer the TTP what it would take to win his actual release.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby anupmisra » 27 Jan 2011 09:49

Sindh faces acute hunger: Unicef

Sindh province, hit hard by last year’s floods, is suffering levels of malnutrition almost as critical as Chad and Niger, with hundreds of thousands of children at risk, Unicef said on Wednesday
A survey conducted by the provincial government and the UN Children’s Fund revealed malnutrition rates of 23.1 per cent in northern Sindh and 21.2 per cent in the south. Those rates are above the 15 per cent emergency threshold set by the World Health Organisation and are on a par with some of the poorest parts of sub-Saharan Africa.
Six months later, many communities in Sindh are still surrounded by floodwaters.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby partha » 27 Jan 2011 10:47

anupmisra wrote:Sindh faces acute hunger: Unicef

Sindh province, hit hard by last year’s floods, is suffering levels of malnutrition almost as critical as Chad and Niger, with hundreds of thousands of children at risk, Unicef said on Wednesday
A survey conducted by the provincial government and the UN Children’s Fund revealed malnutrition rates of 23.1 per cent in northern Sindh and 21.2 per cent in the south. Those rates are above the 15 per cent emergency threshold set by the World Health Organisation and are on a par with some of the poorest parts of sub-Saharan Africa.
Six months later, many communities in Sindh are still surrounded by floodwaters.

Hunger -> Anger -> Revolution. Possible?
How might US react if a "revolution" brings in anti US govt like in Iran?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby vera_k » 27 Jan 2011 11:35

pakiness comes out sooner or later
Last edited by archan on 27 Jan 2011 21:31, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: pakiness flushed

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby Gagan » 27 Jan 2011 13:57

I wonder what Pakistan's intentions are displaying all this Pakistaniyat at the nuclear club meets.

Their opposition seems to be to development of Civilian nuclear development in India - that is what the 123 nuclear deal and the liberating india from the sanctions is all about. In return the pakis are threatening to destabilize the region by inducting more nuclear weapons - Duh! They are doing that already.

This public rona-dhona by them is not going to stop india's march into the NSG or the other multilateral fora. Even their tarrel than mountain fliend has probably resigned to seeing India present everywhere they themselves are.

The only conclusion one can derive is that the Gobernment of Pakistan has to do this because their moderately enlightened abduls / Jihadis expect and demand such Pakistaniyat from them.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby Lalmohan » 27 Jan 2011 15:01

^^^ jerk-e-knee, they can't help it anymore
its a bit like the frothing at the mouth on mention of blasphemy...

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby anupmisra » 27 Jan 2011 16:37

Prem wrote:Poakabbu sheepingly answered "Puttar, ......say thanks to Qaid Djinna for separating us from Kuffar".


And this evil Yindoo thanks another evil Yindoo infested organization called Indian Congress for accepting TFTA Djinnah's demand for a separate paki state.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby anupmisra » 27 Jan 2011 16:42

partha wrote:Hunger -> Anger -> RevolutionThreaten suicide -> Make West Feel Guilty -> Demand Western Alms -> West Pays Up -> My taxes increase :evil:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby anupmisra » 27 Jan 2011 16:47

Gagan wrote:I wonder what Pakistan's intentions are displaying all this Pakistaniyat at the nuclear club meets.


This behavior does not start and end at nuclear club meetings. It pervades other events where India begins to become the beneficiary of trade deals, transfer of technology, loan terms, and cultural exchanges. The day is not far when the pakis will ask, nay, demand for equal - equal recognition for the invention of Ayurved and Yoga.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby A_Gupta » 27 Jan 2011 17:20

FYI: The 1951 textbook of History issued by the Pakistan board of Education had the title "The History of Hind-Pakistan".

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby shiv » 27 Jan 2011 17:27

A video on Pakistan-China friendship
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWiwy_iRTwA

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby shravan » 27 Jan 2011 18:15

American national kills three in Lahore
Lahore, Jan 27 (PTI) An employee of the US consulate in this eastern Pakistani city opened fire and drove his vehicle at a high speed to evade an apparent robbery, killing three persons in a busy commercial area, police said.

The firing by the US national - identified by police as Raymond David, a member of the staff at the American consulate - killed two men who were apparently trying to rob him.

A third man on a motorcycle was killed when he was hit by David''s vehicle as he attempted to leave the Mozang area of Lahore. David''s car was intercepted by two alleged robbers, Lahore Police spokesman Niyab Haider told PTI.

..
The American spoke in Urdu and told people who surrounded his car that he had acted in self-defence, they said. People protested in the area after the incident and burnt tyres to block roads.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby Gagan » 27 Jan 2011 18:27

shravan wrote:American national kills three in Lahore
The American spoke in Urdu and told people who surrounded his car that he had acted in self-defence, they said. People protested in the area after the incident and burnt tyres to block roads.

What!
How inadequate a way to protest. The Ghazi people of Pakistan should have burned neighbouring vehicles, someone should have phyrred in the air, and soosai bummer should have tested their bums, and not to forget the national passtime - there probably was no KFC outlet in the neighbourhood.

:((

On a more serious note, the AMERICAN was speaking Fluent Urdoo!!!
Hint Hint pakistanis.
Cee Aie Yay agints everywhere.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby Dipanker » 27 Jan 2011 18:49

vera_k wrote:pakiness gone[/url].


This is not the thread for knee jerk ==. There are many other threads you could post above info to.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby anupmisra » 27 Jan 2011 19:58

vera_k wrote:flushed


Although out of topic, I must thank you, my 'glass-is-half-empty' poster friend for the bringing up this subject. The fact that 60% of Indians (equates to 700 miilion people) do not suffer from malnutrition is lost on you.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby Guddu » 27 Jan 2011 20:17

Raghavendra wrote:Moscow airport bomb: suicide bombers were part of squad trained in Pakistan http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... istan.html


The bombers were IIT graduates (International Institute of Terrorism).

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby A_Gupta » 27 Jan 2011 20:33

To Shiv's point above - following Amir Khan's lead, if India could give $2-3 billion a year to Pakistan in return for (relative) peace, it probably would. It can't, so it won't.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby arun » 27 Jan 2011 21:35

X Posted.

Story dating back 5 days to Jan 22nd.

PNS Alamgir, formerly Oliver Hazard Perry class frigate USS McInerney damaged:

Pakistani Ship Hits Pier Near Naval Station Mayport

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby Lalmohan » 27 Jan 2011 21:38

^^^ it was as soosai attack on USN facilities by PNS Ghazi masquerading as Alamgir

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2

Postby Johann » 27 Jan 2011 22:45

shiv wrote:


<yawwwwn> Ho hum. Another meaningless article. The US will do nothing because the US itself is powerless. it has given the kotwal's job to the chor and is itself unable to be kotwal.

Of course that does not make India any more able to do the job. But I see a difference in the way we refer to the US and India. Indians are mocked as being unable to do anything about Pakistan. But the idea that the US also can do nothing about Pakistan is resisted by the idea that the US would be able to do magic if they only realised what Pakistan is doing.

In other words the commonly displayed attitude towards India is:
"India knows who is guilty but is weak and cowardly"

The attitude towards the US is:
"The US is powerful and brave and can take care of any problem. Only the Pakis have them fooled. If the US found out they would crush Pakistan"

This is of course nonsense, but it gives us a straw of hope hat we can cling on to for a few more years. The same "High hopes" attitude is shown towards Paki nukes. On this forum, I have sen, over the years - the opinion that Israel might have dealt with Paki nukes, then the view that the US "has contingency plans" for Paki nukes and more recently "China will reclaim its nukes from Pakistan". These thoughts are merely ways of comforting ourselves and believing that there is a god, or a godfather who will protect us from evil.

Nothing could be further from the truth. We are displaying cognitive dissonance by refusing to accept the obvious. The US, Israel, China etc are totally powerless in handling or checking Pakistan. Incompetent or not, cowardly or not, we have to do it ourselves. If we take a few nukes along the way - let us prepare for it. But we must not depend on the US, Israel or China to contribute even one photon's worth of positivity to the issue.


You're right that the U.S. has limited options in handling Pakistan, and that is something the Americans are very candid about.

At the same time, the Americans did trust the Pakistanis thanks to bouts of cooperation during almost four decades over the span of the Cold War, and in to its immediate aftermath. Although US and Pakistani interests were often divergent during these times, they weren't in deadly conflict.

America is used to lazy and corrupt allied governments, they're used to anti-American factions within allied governments where power may see-saw, and they're even used to governments or factions whose attitude to the US may fluctuate between hostility and cooperation. What it is *not* used to is enthusiastic allies who also enthusiastically try to kill you at the same time - in fact its been a real challenge for them to wrap their heads around it, and they are still struggling to deal with it.

It has taken many years for distrust of Pakistan to spread through the American system, but it has become more and more pervasive through the intelligence community, the military, and the political class during the Pakistani supported Taliban resurgence of the last five to six years. The problem that remains is the nuclear factor, which no government, whether American or Indian can take for granted.


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