China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Shrinivasan » 21 Nov 2011 03:27

This info was put out by PLA for propoganda purpose, GOI should encourage publication of such accounts to sensitise mango SDREs, many of these passes would be death traps for PLA infantry let alone Armor, if articles like these kickstart many zombie projects like ARTY purchase/upgradee, I say bring it on!!!

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby rajrang » 21 Nov 2011 13:03

Christopher Sidor wrote:
List of Himalayan passes which will see action in the 2nd Sino-India War, provided the assumption that LoC will not see any action by the PLA troops which have been deployed in Northern J&K, i.e. Gilgit. All the details given below are sourced from Wikipedia
  • Nathu La Pass. Sikkim-Tibet Border. Height=4310 meters.
  • Jelep La. Sikkim - Tibet Border. Height=4267 meters.
  • Dongkha la. Sikkim - Tibet Border. Height = 5486 meters.
  • Sela Pass. Arunachal Pradesh, Tawang District. connects Tawang District to Tezpur in Assam. Height = 4170 meters.
  • Bumla pass. Arunachal Pradesh - Tibet Border. Height = 5029 meters.
  • Bilafond La/Saltoro Pass. J&K on Siachen. Height = 5450 meters.
  • Sia La. J&K Near Siachen. Height = 5589 meters.
  • Changla Pass. J&K, Ladakh . Height = 5360 meters.
  • Gyong La. J&K, Near Siachen. Height = 5686 meters.
  • Khardong La. J&K, Near Siachen. Height = 5359 meters.
  • Sia La. J&K, Near Siachen. Height = 5589 meters.
  • Kongka La. J&K, Ladakh. Height = 5159 meters.
  • Marsimik La. J&K Ladakh. Height = 5582 meters.
  • Saser La. J&K Ladakh. Height = 5411 meters.
  • Shipki La. Himachal-Tibet Border. Height = 5669 meters.
  • Lipulekh Pass. Himachal-Tibet Border. Height = 5334 meters.
  • Mana Pass/Dungri La. Uttrakhand - Tibet Border. Height = 5608 meters.
  • Nama Pass. Uttarakhand-Tibet Border. Height = 5500 meters.
  • Sin La. Uttarakhand. Height = 5495 meters.


What about Karakorum pass?

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Singha » 21 Nov 2011 14:22

here is the arunachal pradesh map. http://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/arunach ... strict.htm

walong is in anjaw distt in a deep valley that is N-S.
vijayanagar where we just activated the ALG is in very tip of changlang distt , a bowl surrounded by hills on three sides. its runway is 4000ft long, only moving the town and creating the runway more in E-W would make it a 9000ft.

being surrounded on 3 sides and sticking out into yunnan, i see it as inevitable they will heavily attack it from multiple directions, with attendant pressure on walong also.

the mountains on google earth have some amt of snow but not like high himalayas...in this region the himalayas are already descending into the arakan hills.

you can check out walong and vijayanagar in g-earth, tilt your POV to the side to get the terrain.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Philip » 21 Nov 2011 21:21

Time to test again.As the great Helmsman said, "a loud fart is better than a long speech".

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Philip » 21 Nov 2011 21:40

China has again warned "outsiders" from interfering in the Indo-China Sea.This is another warning on top of earlier warnings about oil exploration with Vietnam.A "thrid warning in three weeks" says Times Now channel.The open info about exercises to capture passes in the Himalayas is another blatant warning to India.These warnings are also coming in thick and fast after the successful test of Agni-4 and the test early next year of India's first ICBM,Agni-5.The window of opportunity for China and Pak is from 2012 upto the run-up of thre next gen. election,where the UPA is increasingly embattled and losing steam due to the fast-fading star of our miniscule PM,whose writ runs in historical repeat,like that of Shah Alam...."from Delhi to Palam"! With the matriarch of the Cong. "hors de combat" due to ill health,and the crown prince yet to notch up a significant victory in the field, a stupor seems to have befallen UPA-2,which is paralysing decisions right across the spectrum,except on the issue of spectrum!

China watchers must be especially alwert to note any similar behaviour from the dragon,which were precursors to the great year of infamy,'62,and the "second lesson" that China wishes to teach India,this time with an assistant teacher in tow?

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Austin » 21 Nov 2011 22:53

China 'constructive' on South China Sea rows, says US

US officials have praised China's attitude on South China Sea territorial disputes after talks between Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao and President Barack Obama.

The two men met on the sidelines of an East Asia summit in Indonesia.

A senior US official described China's response as "constructive".

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby SaiK » 22 Nov 2011 10:13

The only way china can come to reality is when they take a democracy route to commerce.. which will never happen with unkill's politics.
the will keep showing their mil belligerence with no stone unturned.. only might can meet might. India is poised to show her strengths now.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby rajanb » 22 Nov 2011 10:30

SaiK wrote:The only way china can come to reality is when they take a democracy route to commerce.. which will never happen with unkill's politics.
the will keep showing their mil belligerence with no stone unturned.. only might can meet might. India is poised to show her strengths now.


SaiK ji. Am glad to see your optimism. With all the delays and setbacks in procurements, be it purchase or development.

One thing I have faith in is the attitude of our armed forces. Ultimately they will do the best as possible with what they have. That is regrettable "with what they have."

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Singha » 22 Nov 2011 11:36

the situation is global. no country is in perfectly comfortable state wrt mil sphere. you saw the gaping holes in EU nato in libya. the trillion $ F22 fleet serves no useful role in ongoing wars but soaks up money that could be used elsewhere. US soldiers were hurt by weak humvee armour in Iraq and until factory made kits could arrive they used local workshops to weld on "hajji armour" basic steel plates. UK's SA80 was a problem child. USMC harriers have a scary accident rate and replacement is nowhere in sight. Aus billions$ collins subs are mostly welded to the pier. UK Astor GMTI cancelled. A321 MPA cancelled. UK to mothball one CVF.

but they have the luxury of having multiple systems for same job, and the choice picking the right size of enemy (weak n small) to beat up.

for us enemies are predecided and both are powerful , and we lack in lavish resources.

dont think that Chinese dont have gaping holes or issues with eqpt. they do a good job of hiding it to save face and intl media for lack of anything better to project as the next big dog takes it at face value. do u really think a updated AN12 is comparable to P8I with top grade american systems? and this is their 'next gen' MPA.

I suspect a lot of chinese eqpt will show their true quality only in a high intensity/high cycle rate kind of war..... :mrgreen: we will give them that if they come looking for trouble in their glorified golf carts aka high mobility tibet plateau kamandu IFV wagons.... we will see when the water recedes who is naked and who has the jockey undies intact.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby rajanb » 22 Nov 2011 11:44

True Singhaji. But the sad part is our convoluted process of doing anything. Be it defence or the economy. The political freeze. And the list goes on.

If only we keep the MoD and the plans of the Armed Forces on track, I am sure we would be more efficient. As a fighting unit and also our money would give us more bang for the buck.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby kumarn » 24 Nov 2011 00:43

I have been wanting to say this for some years now. So hear it goes...When we talk of India re-capturing POK we are told that we need 1 to 9 kind of supremacy. That the lines of advances are limited. That the mountains eat up divisions. So on and so forth. But somehow the Chinese army with mythical powers doesn't have to deal with these issues when they are supposed to come calling in our hills. What gives? Not being a millitary man I do not have much knowledge. But looking at the terrain, and what I am told regarding POK on this forum, I see no reason to dhoti-shiver. But, somehow dhoti-shivering goes on.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby rohitvats » 24 Nov 2011 12:50

^^^Well, you see, we are SDRE - short, dark and rice eating - so, we need to cower in fear whenever the lizard so much as farts. All the logic and reasoning applies to only Indias...everyone else is a superman^10 and we're going to loose onleee...

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Marut » 24 Nov 2011 13:53

^ I'm looking forward to the discussion in DDM regarding the failure of Chinese to amass 500,000 troops within a month at the border and what measures they should take to achieve this target :mrgreen:

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby rajrang » 24 Nov 2011 21:32

kumarn wrote:I have been wanting to say this for some years now. So hear it goes...When we talk of India re-capturing POK we are told that we need 1 to 9 kind of supremacy. That the lines of advances are limited. That the mountains eat up divisions. So on and so forth. But somehow the Chinese army with mythical powers doesn't have to deal with these issues when they are supposed to come calling in our hills. What gives? Not being a millitary man I do not have much knowledge. But looking at the terrain, and what I am told regarding POK on this forum, I see no reason to dhoti-shiver. But, somehow dhoti-shivering goes on.


POK is about 30,000 square miles of mountainous terrain. Is 1 to 9 ratio always necessary? In 1962, I think PRC had much less than 1 to 9 ratio when they threw Indian forces out of Tawang. History is full of examples when numerically smaller forces have defeated numerically larger forces and occupied large areas. The 1967 Arab-Israeli conflict comes to mind. Obviously there are lots of other factors. I would argue it is prudent to overestimate the enemy rather than underestimating especially when we are not dealing with exact math or science.

Would anyone on this forum accuse the Indian army of dhoti shivering for: raising two mountain divisions recently, planning four more in the the next five years, basing Sukhoi squadrons in the East and more?


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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby ShauryaT » 24 Nov 2011 22:22

Now, China ‘raises concerns’ over India’s rise and military presence
Dr. Monika Chansoria

Instead of China expressing concern regarding Indian military presence and preparedness in the border areas, it is India that perennially needs to remain cautious in the backdrop of China’s ongoing military modernisation campaign for the past three decades. Increased Chinese deployments in and around the Tibet Autonomous Region, reportedly include placing of advanced Dong Feng-21 (DF-21) medium-range ballistic missiles, coupled with plans to shift airborne forces at short notice to the region – thus making it imperative for any nation to question Chinese military motives.

Today’s realism, by and large, is still determined by virtue of nations consistently pursuing their interests that can be interpreted as “power”. China will have to accept, sooner or later, that it alone cannot define the future of Asia's destiny, and would have to negotiate realistically on the politico-diplomatic front with other nations, most importantly, India. A spirit of barter, or for that matter, mutual understanding and sharing will be essential.


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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby sudhan » 24 Nov 2011 22:39

Panel urges US scrutiny of China military, firms

http://www.securityinfowatch.com/node/1323316?pageNum=1


The group also said that suspected Chinese cyber-intrusions remained high in 2011 and may have interfered with the operations of at least two U.S. space satellites.



"The PLA's military strategy is designed to provide the army with the means to defeat a technologically superior opponent, such as the U.S. military," the commission said. That strategy, it added, is aimed at "degrading an opponent's technological advantages and striking first in order to gain surprise."


This will surely get the media's attention :) Sounds to me like another bid to try and relieve the pressure to cut defence expenditure..

Since January, the commission noted, the Chinese military tested the latest model of its next-generation fighter jet, sent its first aircraft carrier on a maiden trial and is developing an anti-ship ballistic missile.


These 'Aircraft carrier killers' have caused a fair amount of pant-browning in the US media.. I believe a typical USN carrier battle group would have 2 to 8 destroyers/cruisers that carry the Aegis BMD system. Wonder how it would hold up against a swarm of these missiles..

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Christopher Sidor » 24 Nov 2011 22:43

The Dragon’s New Eyes: China’s Space-Based Surveillance Capabilities, Doctrine, Strategy, and Implications --- Secure World Foundation

The audio recording of the session is available over here.

A synopsis of the entire conference was posted in the Space Review and can be accessed from over here.

This conference was mainly on how cooperation could be done with Chinese in the Space arena. It was also about the implications of Chinese space capabilities. Further this conference had a narrow mandate on how Chinese development of space technologies impacts US and its predominance.

From the space review article some notable points are
  • Officially the Chinese state that they will not be the first to attack, but will actively defend themselves. But Pollpeter said that although this is commonly interpreted in the West as meaning that the Chinese will not attack first, what they say to themselves is something different. Their doctrine is “politically defensive and militarily offensive."
  • The Chinese have studied numerous examples of the United States attacking other countries such as the first Gulf War, the Bosnian action, and the 2003 Iraq invasion, and determined that if they wait for the United States to build up its forces it is already too late. They need to gain the initiative from the outset. Their strategy is to conduct targeted strikes against vital American targets.
    This is applicable for India too. If we wish to take the initiative, for say freeing Tibet from the oppression of the chickens, then this would apply to us too.
  • The Chinese consider American intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance satellites, and even meteorological satellites, to be “space weapons” and therefore legitimate targets.
    During the cold war both the sides, Soviets and the Amerikans had a clear demarcation on space assets that they would target. While satellites for armed forces were legitimate targets, their civilian counterparts were not. The reasoning was, that the civilian satellites were not to harmed as a matter of good faith because if there was a need to deescalate, then the only way to talk to the other side would be via satellites. Apparently this is not what chinese seem to think.
  • The Chinese have not yet seemed to recognize is that as they develop their own space systems they are inheriting the same vulnerabilities as the Americans.
  • China is currently investing heavily in electro-optical imaging systems and now synthetic aperture radar. However, imagery satellites are not very useful for finding ships because they have too narrow a field of view. “If you want to solve this problem on an ocean-wide basis you have to go to radar,” Dr. Owen Coté, Associate Director of the Security Studies Program at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said.
    The same technology can be used to pinpoint our naval assets in south china sea, bay of Bengal or in the Arabian sea. We should also factor in this capability being made available to the Pakis.
  • US Navy actually makes relatively little use of low Earth orbit. It’s not useful for anti-submarine warfare or missile surveillance. Low Earth orbit is essentially the domain that you use for peacetime intelligence collection and losing LEO assets would not dramatically cripple the US Navy. He also added that persistent surveillance—viewing a battlefield for long periods of time—is what the Navy considers most useful. But that introduces new vulnerabilities. The United States is increasingly exploiting unmanned aerial vehicles, particularly lower altitude ones. “Predators can be shot down,” he added, and the way to eliminate the vulnerability is to go to higher altitude. So the picture is always evolving, with new capabilities, opportunities and new vulnerabilities.
    For India it is clear we have to upgrade our Coast Guard. Eventually Indian Coast Guard will have to take the responsibility of anti-submarine warfare from IN initially in the whole of Bay of Bengal and Arabian sea and then eventually in the the entire northern part of Indian ocean, i.e. the entire ocean above the equator. For this we require to provide Indian Coast Guard with helicopter carrier.
  • United States increasingly sees Chinese space capabilities as a threat to the US. But the reverse is also true—Chinese satellites are also vulnerable to attack. The United States demonstrated an ASAT capability several years ago when it shot down one of its errant spy satellites with an Aegis weapon system aboard a Navy cruiser. The Chinese have to consider the Aegis threat to be real, even if the United States claims that it is not an operational capability.
    Deja Vu, we had a bomb in the basement, the Yanks have a naval variant of ASAT in the basement. Please note that the ABM that DRDO has proposed will all be land based and none of it will be Naval based or Air based. Also it is based on the capabilities of ABM that some have declared that we have ASAT capabilities.
  • “It is possible to have a dialogue with an adversary and you do get something good out of it,” Brian Weeden, Technical Advisor at the Secure World Foundation explained. Then he added “It’s a good way to collect intelligence.”
    This is applicable to all the posters from china which come over here. No matter how much opinionated their views maybe. They are an excellent source of info. Which should be mined to their fullest.
  • Chinese do not have good interagency coordination and various groups are unaware of what others are doing. Weeden also noted that one of the strengths of the American system is that there is constant churn between agencies, disciplines, and organizations—engineers go into policy, lawyers and policy people mix and trade jobs, et cetera. But in China they are restricted to “stovepipes” and do not trade jobs and intermix and, as a result, the engineers may not understand the policy groups and vice versa.
    Everybody seems to believe that authoritarian systems are more effective because decision making is centralized. But reality is something different. Under Nazi Germany, the worlds finest missile (V-2) and unmanned bomber (V-1) development programs, of their time, were instituted in Peenemunde. But the problem was that this was an Army facility. While the Nazi Air force and its chief believed that what ever flew was under its jurisdiction. Further the SS had a different program again devoted to missiles under it. Instead of having a single program, there were multiple programs competing for the same scant resources and men. The same happens in China too. While such competing programs are good because it spurs people to compete and innovate, the problem is that this also leads to duplication of effort and enormous utilization of resources.
Please note that the above points are view points held by the conference Speakers.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

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Mao was himself touting PRC clout from 1964 and earlier. Now why should they be worried about India and Indian reaction.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby rajrang » 26 Nov 2011 06:35

The coincidence between India's decision to raise 1 lakh troops for the Chinese border (dated November 2, 2011) and the news item below 23 days later in which TSP is threatening to move 1 lakh troops to the Indian border.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/pak-m ... an/392439/

There had been no serious problems between India and TSP in the last 3 weeks to motivate thinking of such a major shift of forces. Is this a hint to India from the TSP-PRC alliance?

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Singha » 26 Nov 2011 09:22

rajrang the article is from 2008.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Shankas » 26 Nov 2011 12:52

rajrang wrote:The coincidence between India's decision to raise 1 lakh troops for the Chinese border (dated November 2, 2011) and the news item below 23 days later in which TSP is threatening to move 1 lakh troops to the Indian border.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/pak-m ... an/392439/

There had been no serious problems between India and TSP in the last 3 weeks to motivate thinking of such a major shift of forces. Is this a hint to India from the TSP-PRC alliance?


This is a good think for us. Less troops at pakistan's western borders.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby vishvak » 26 Nov 2011 15:42

Shankas wrote:This is a good think for us. Less troops at pakistan's western borders.

juglees hunting in pairs?

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Pratyush » 26 Nov 2011 16:52

Guys that is an old article.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby rajrang » 27 Nov 2011 03:32

Singha wrote:rajrang the article is from 2008.


My apologies to everyone.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby anishns » 27 Nov 2011 05:27

Didn't know where to post this....if Bredators want, it can go to the humor thread :mrgreen: (There are 8 parts)

Behold the chini version of Top Gun



The first part has a J-10 doing a cobra and beating the shite of a following SU-30/J-11 (CGI ofcourse)....I am sure the other 8 parts are full of such magical acts as well!
Phor your pleasure...it is subtitled :)

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby shiv » 27 Nov 2011 08:32

anishns wrote:Didn't know where to post this....if Bredators want, it can go to the humor thread :mrgreen: (There are 8 parts)

Behold the chini version of Top Gun


The first part has a J-10 doing a cobra and beating the shite of a following SU-30/J-11 (CGI ofcourse)....I am sure the other 8 parts are full of such magical acts as well!
Phor your pleasure...it is subtitled :)


Well what can I say? Di chong me cha hu ma. As they say in China. If you think that is Chinese i have a white marble heritage building for sale in Agra. LOL

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby gnair » 27 Nov 2011 09:23

The subtitle is Vietnamese rather than a Chinese dialect.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby srai » 27 Nov 2011 10:59

anishns wrote:Didn't know where to post this....if Bredators want, it can go to the humor thread :mrgreen: (There are 8 parts)

Behold the chini version of Top Gun



The first part has a J-10 doing a cobra and beating the shite of a following SU-30/J-11 (CGI ofcourse)....I am sure the other 8 parts are full of such magical acts as well!
Phor your pleasure...it is subtitled :)


Except for some CGI aerial shots, the film has some great shots on the ground. It's a good intro to the PLAAF for the following:

  • Uniforms - Various types
  • Ground Equipments - shows a lot of different service vehicles
  • Airbase - shows Command Centre, briefing rooms, bar/lounge, runways, various infrastructure
  • Hierarchy - there is a post for Political Military Commissioner who is attached to the Division Commander and provides patriotic "sermons" and decision making
  • Aircrafts - J-10, Su-27/J-11, A-50, AAR
  • Armaments - bunch of aerial weapons (AAMs and PGMs)

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Philip » 27 Nov 2011 12:10

AEGIS equippes USN warships with Std.SM-3ER missiles have been officially certified as ABM assets.The missiles are meant to be deployed by naval assets ,"mobile",around the threatened region/state. For the PLAN to be able to successfully hit an enemy carrier task force for example,it would require real time targeting and then have at least a 1m CEP terminally guided missile to boot.This would require a huge dedicated maritime surveillance satellite network,which China does not possess,neither does it poossess the large AEW/AWACS assets,SIGINT assets which it is in the process of acquiring.Secondly,the USN also possesses a large number of 40-50,000t amphibious flat tops,which will operate the JSF.These flat tops will provide the USN with an extra number of platforms with which to sanitise the high seas,particularly in ASW.Any Chinese attempt to hit a US naval task force would also automatically invite an equal and opposite response from the US,missile strikes against Chinese missile launching facilities on the Chinese mainland.It wouldd be a massive loss of face for the Chinese to have their landmass attacked by the US,as their ability to hit back in similar vein is limited.The US could also with its vastly superior nuclear sub forces attack and destroy the entre PLAN naval base facilities and agreater part of the Chinese fleet.China could also be subject to a naval blockade that would cripple it.There is a limit that the PLAN is capable of achieving and a face-off with the USN would be suicide.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Shrinivasan » 27 Nov 2011 23:39

^^^ Since when has suicidal missions dettered chinkis and porkis from rushing headlong into it...

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby VinodTK » 28 Nov 2011 07:51

Eye on India? China plans to patrol Mekong
BEIJING: India's fears of increasing Chinese presence in the area around Myanmar took a new turn with Beijing announcing plans to patrol the Mekong river, connecting Thailand, Laos and Myanmar.

The move comes in response to the recent killing of 13 Chinese seamen in two cargo ships that were attacked by pirates near the Thai-Burma border.

Beijing managed to persuade the three countries, under immense pressure from China, to go for joint patrol of the Mekong to ensure such incidents are not repeated.

The headquarters of the joint patrol will be in China, with branches in the other three countries.

Indian experts were alarmed when China got a port construction contract in Myanmar recently, which will give Beijing considerable access to the Bay of Bengal area. China has also established strong presence in Sri Lanka.


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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby sudhan » 29 Nov 2011 19:21

http://chhindits.blogspot.com/2011/11/c ... te-90.html

Check out the clipping where the journo bitches about the MMRCA

::facepalm:: :evil:

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Christopher Sidor » 29 Nov 2011 20:48

VinodTK wrote:Eye on India? China plans to patrol Mekong
BEIJING: India's fears of increasing Chinese presence in the area around Myanmar took a new turn with Beijing announcing plans to patrol the Mekong river, connecting Thailand, Laos and Myanmar.

The move comes in response to the recent killing of 13 Chinese seamen in two cargo ships that were attacked by pirates near the Thai-Burma border.

Beijing managed to persuade the three countries, under immense pressure from China, to go for joint patrol of the Mekong to ensure such incidents are not repeated.

The headquarters of the joint patrol will be in China, with branches in the other three countries.

Indian experts were alarmed when China got a port construction contract in Myanmar recently, which will give Beijing considerable access to the Bay of Bengal area. China has also established strong presence in Sri Lanka.



:?: :?: :?: :?: How does joint patrolling of Mekong have anything to do with India ?

Consider the Mekong basin, as given in the political map below. The above image is courtesy Wordpress. India is in White in this image
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Now consider the Mekong Watershed given below. The image is courtesy of Wikipedia. Again see the position of India.
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Now with these two images, see where the three countries, Thailand, Laos and China will most likely do patrolling. What has that got to do with India? The article is completely silent in this regard. I am a bit skeptical, on the impact this so called patrolling will have on India.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby member_20067 » 01 Dec 2011 02:46

http://news.yahoo.com/digging-china-nuc ... 08319.html



Digging into China’s nuclear tunnels

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The Chinese have called it their “Underground Great Wall” — a vast network of tunnels designed to hide their country’s increasingly sophisticated missile and nuclear arsenal.
For the past three years, a small band of obsessively dedicated students at Georgetown University has called it something else: homework.
Led by their hard-charging professor, a former top Pentagon official, they have translated hundreds of documents, combed through satellite imagery, obtained restricted Chinese military documents and waded through hundreds of gigabytes of online data.
The result of their effort? The largest body of public knowledge about thousands of miles of tunnels dug by the Second Artillery Corps, a secretive branch of the Chinese military in charge of protecting and deploying its ballistic missiles and nuclear warheads.
The study is yet to be released, but already it has sparked a congressional hearing and been circulated among top officials in the Pentagon, including the Air Force vice chief of staff.
Most of the attention has focused on the 363-page study’s provocative conclusion — that China’s nuclear arsenal could be many times larger than the well-established estimates of arms-control experts.

(Graphic: Evidence of China’s nuclear storage system)
“It’s not quite a bombshell, but those thoughts and estimates are being checked against what people think they know based on classified information,” said a Defense Department strategist who would discuss the study only on the condition of anonymity.
The study’s critics, however, have questioned the unorthodox Internet-based research of the students, who drew from sources as disparate as Google Earth, blogs, military journals and, perhaps most startlingly, a fictionalized TV docudrama about Chinese artillery soldiers — the rough equivalent of watching Fox’s TV show “24” for insights into U.S. counterterrorism efforts.
But the strongest condemnation has come from nonproliferation experts who worry that the study could fuel arguments for maintaining nuclear weapons in an era when efforts are being made to reduce the world’s post-Cold War stockpiles.
Beyond its impact in the policy world, the project has made a profound mark on the students — including some who have since graduated and taken research jobs with the Defense Department and Congress............. More through the link

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Stan_Savljevic » 01 Dec 2011 04:33

More...
US varsity students shed light on China’s tunnel system for nuclear weapons
http://www.dnaindia.com/academy/report_ ... ns_1619546

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Cain Marko » 01 Dec 2011 06:25

^^ INteresting, considering that China plays the capitalism game better than most capitalist nations. IOWs, the thought of having 1000s of nukes just sitting there must rankle - why not make money off this asset, eh? Perhaps IRAN and some others have already secured said bums? Noko has already shown its stuff, i'd say it ain't the only one with the newkiller stuff (apart from the known arsenals of course)

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Kailash » 01 Dec 2011 19:45

Russia refuses to sell arresters for Chinese aircraft carrier

Kanwa reported referring to a source in the plant that the Chinese had visited it many times and declared intentions to purchase at least 4 arresters (the source used the term "purchase"). The talks took place in the office of Rosoboronexport; negotiators of Proletarsky Zavod presented their production, and the Chinese requested for technical information.

In 2011 the authoritative source told to Kanwa reporter that the negotiations were facing unexpected problems – Russian defense industry's authorities had decided not to sell arresters for China.


Kanwa repeatedly asked Russian defense and foreign ministries about China's purchase of Russian aircraft carrier construction technology. Official reply was the same: "it is prohibited to export strategic armament systems to China. Aircraft carriers, nuclear-powered submarines, nuclear weapons production technologies – all that are strategic arms".


Russia's discontent with China copying deck-based fighter Su-33. Take note, Marine Engineering Research Institute delivered two arresters for Indian aircraft carrier IAC and modernized Admiral Gorshkov. The institute also took part in construction of naval aviation training center built on Goa, India.


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