China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby VinayG » 23 Dec 2011 13:38

@ Chicom & peoples min chin cho daily and what ever

India felt pleased by America’s strategic focus shift toward the Asia-Pacific region and began to get close to America, but thinking this move will contain its imaginary enemy would be naive.


strategic focus shift toward pukis , arming pukis with M11, AWE&c ,al katham tanks and bundhars and deploying troops in POK thinking that it will contain india is also niave

In the context of the eastward shift of global economic power and the changing Asian geopolitical pattern, India should cooperate with the neighboring countries instead of being hostile to them and should reduce its own “persecution mania" to play a role on the world stage in the future


well you should also co-operate whatever instead of using pukis as proxies
they should also let go the Tibet and tawang mania

There is no real winner in wars and peace opportunities must not be wasted. This is the wise judgment.

yea definitly a wise judgement

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Boreas » 23 Dec 2011 13:40

shiv wrote:I find it interesting that the Chinese troll Chicom representative posted to BRF stated in that this fireworks shipment was bound for S. Korea even before the news media announced it? I saw the post yesterday and today its official.

Odd innit?

What I found interesting is why a ship starting from Dusctheland and (as claimed) headed towards Pacific china/korea wherever... has to go via Finland?

Another intersting fact the missiles were haistly kept in wooden containers and even explosives weren't properly packed. (which could be because they weren't prepared for a long world tour but a short inter-europe journey)

Next if somebody has sent "such a substantial package", without any proper documents, then most certainly this wasn't there first try. And certainly these people (whoever organised the trip) are not the kind to be outsmarted by finish polis and custom.

So I have a feeling it was package meant - for europe - from europe - courtesy unkil - against ruskies but some bitch spoiled the party, and then everybody started saving there face.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Aditya_V » 23 Dec 2011 14:06

Boreas-> Could it be N Korean leaders death has caused some panic and as precaution additional Patriots from stocks in Germany are being shipped to S. Korea.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby krishnan » 23 Dec 2011 14:08

Why hide them??? They can just transfer them openly

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Austin » 23 Dec 2011 14:27

May be covertly build up the number of Patriot batteries available over time other then the declared sale of such system to SoKo , NoKo might not be happy or will build up its offensive system of BM if they anticipate far greater numbers of Patriot batteries available then what is declared.

NoKo-SoKo relationship are very sensitive and beyond a certain point SoKo does not see it wise to annoy them while the American have no such issue but is restrained by SK.
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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Boreas » 23 Dec 2011 14:28

Planning -> Ordering -> Manufacturing/Assembling -> Shiping :: should be 6+ months job atleast. So it would have been in process from quite some time.

North Korea has nuclear weapons since 2006/09 so SoKo should have there defense mechanism in place, despite of who is leading north. Also his son is expected to intiate some reforms and losen up old hardliner approach of Jong-il.

SoKo feared power transformation may not go smooth, hence some panic. But so far things are on line in north.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Boreas » 23 Dec 2011 14:30

krishnan wrote:Why hide them??? They can just transfer them openly

IF sending to SoKo then they can and they would have.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby krishnan » 23 Dec 2011 14:33

Customs inspectors found the missiles and explosives when the m/s Thor Liberty, owned by Danish firm Thorco, docked at Kotka in southern Finland on Dec. 15 to pick up a cargo of anchor chains and an old paper machine. The ship came from the German port of Emden.


from some forum

Imho this whole thing stinks. The explosives load, which was there in addition to the missiles, was so badly loaded that it posed a huge hazard to the crew and the ship - basically loaded in a way that inspectors simply could not ignore it. It's like they were meant to order a more thorough investigation of the cargo after discovering the crappy loading of explosives. Somebody wanted these missiles to be found.


One more
My guess is Germany sold them to Finland, for a secret deployment and extension of the missile defense systems encircling Russia. It makes no sense to ship them around Denmark, through the Baltic and to Finland, only for them to go back again for the long Haul to China.

Sending them directly for less chance of accidental discovery is the obvious choice. Therefore Finland IS the destination, and now they will be confiscated by authorities and disappear.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Singha » 23 Dec 2011 14:55

the Finns are known to be adept at playing with both hares and hounds. their military uses some rus origin reqpt, but they have fought major war with russia also. sometimes they are neutral.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby sudhan » 23 Dec 2011 16:23

Singha wrote:the Finns are known to be adept at playing with both hares and hounds. their military uses some rus origin reqpt, but they have fought major war with russia also. sometimes they are neutral.


They got severely GUBO'd by the Soviets (not before giving the Soviets a major hiding) and were seen as a part of the German axis after the WWII.. IIRC, the Soviets forced them to sign treaties that forbid them from having a decent sized standing army.

But after they managed to turn around their economy post WWII, they are largely neutral but they had quite some pacts with the Soviets. Now they are a Non-NATO ally contributing troops to the ISAF and other UN missions...

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Austin » 23 Dec 2011 17:00

Russia will supply China three military transport aircraft Il-76

Russia signed a contract with China to supply three military transport aircraft Il-76, are in the presence of the Russian Defense Ministry said on Friday,

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Singha » 23 Dec 2011 22:12

so 35 became 3 now?

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby akimalik » 23 Dec 2011 22:19

sudhan wrote:a part of the German axis after the WWII

Finland was a German Ally during WWII. In fact they used to have a blue swastika as the insignia painted on their aircraft. All this was meant to counter the Russians ... with whom they have fought many wars.
Mannerheim was the Finnish General (of German descent) who rose against the Soviets. Helsinki has its main street named after him ... quite like our own MG Road(s).


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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Hiten » 25 Dec 2011 22:31

Chinese jingo animation video featuring the J-20. The Naval engagement shown had me cracking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4t-spUJlc0

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby arnabh » 26 Dec 2011 00:39

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why exactly is this claptrap, that too by a grade A moron like bhadrakumar in the china military thread ?
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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Don » 26 Dec 2011 21:54

J-10B radar

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Singha » 26 Dec 2011 22:04

it might help if you post the specs of the radar rather than just a photo. we will dhoti shiver and wail more in a show of respect :)

my rough count puts it around 1480 'nodes'

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Don » 26 Dec 2011 22:09

Singha wrote:it might help if you post the specs of the radar rather than just a photo. we will dhoti shiver and wail more in a show of respect :)

Oh come on, I am no expert when it comes to those things. I can't even read or speak Chinese. There are better people here who can explain or give the specs. Those damn commies are not very cooperative when it comes to those kind of things. :wink:

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby atma » 27 Dec 2011 07:26

Don wrote:J-10B radar

Image


Boy.. Shivering and wetting my dhoti. :rotfl:

Nice model made out of white plastic/resin chair (white frame), Old audio/video reciever, and orange doormat (modules), some black ventilation ducting, and some clothespins or other plastic. Nice work!!! Love it.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby atma » 27 Dec 2011 07:39

See how well illuminated the model is, with a perfect white background in a box, that is used to make pictures for selling on ebay? ( see telltale vertical line, the corner of the illumination box, middle, top of this "radar") Just as good as all the stuff they sell on ebay, that arrives , maybe after 3 weeks, if at all.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Don » 27 Dec 2011 16:20

What new emerging technology ? Does anyone know what he is talking about ?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/china-beg ... 48384.html

China begins using new global positioning satellite

Reuters – 1 hour 9 minutes ago

BEIJING (Reuters) - China took a further step on Tuesday toward ending its dependence on U.S. satellites to provide navigation and positioning services with the start of trial operations of its homegrown Beidou system.

China started a drive to end its reliance on the U.S. global positioning system in 2000, when it sent an experimental pair of positioning satellites into orbit.

Ran Chengqi, spokesman for the new system, told reporters that Beidou, or "Big Dipper," would cover most parts of the Asia Pacific by next year and then the world by 2020.

China has already launched 10 satellites to support Beidou and would launch another six next year, he said.

State media have said the system will eventually comprise 35 satellites, which will be used for a variety of sectors including fisheries, meteorology and telecommunications.

China has ambitious plans for space, including a space station and a manned trip to the moon.

While China has vowed never to militarize space, experts say it is ramping up the military use of space with new satellites.

The successful missile "kill" of an old satellite in early 2007 represented a new level of ability for the Chinese military, and last year China successfully tested emerging technology aimed at destroying missiles in mid-air.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby VinodTK » 28 Dec 2011 05:38

'China increasing presence in Pakistani Kashmir'
JAMMU: Causing concern in the Indian Army, China has increased the presence of its military engineers in Pakistan-administered Kashmir, a senior army officer said.

Although the exact number of Peoples Liberation Army men and engineers engaged in building infrastructure across the Line of Control is not known, their number has increased in recent months, the senior commander said.

The LoC divides Jammu and Kashmir between India and Pakistan.

"Our intelligence reports about the presence of PLA (men and engineers) have been authenticated now, and their number is on the rise," Maj. Gen. K.H. Singh told reporters in Rajouri, a border town 160 km north of Jammu, Monday evening. He was speaking to reporters on the sidelines of a function.

The Indian army had the knowledge of the deepening Chinese presence in Pakistan- administered Kashmir, especially after the 2005 quake, when many construction works were given to Chinese companies. New York Times had published a report of the presence of 15,000 Chinese troops in Pakistani-controlled Kashmir, including Gilgit and Baltistan.

Gen. Singh said the Indian army was trying to ascertain the motive of such heavy presence of Chinese troops and engineers in the territory under the control of Pakistan.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Guddu » 28 Dec 2011 06:16

akimalik wrote:
sudhan wrote:a part of the German axis after the WWII

Helsinki has its main street named after him ... quite like our own MG Road(s).


Asutko suomessa ?

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby member_20021 » 28 Dec 2011 10:11

PLA is upgrading armed forces in Xizang/Tupan China (Tibet in contemperary/aciant Chinese):
http://www.wenxuecity.com/news/2011/12/27/1581215.html
Title of the report: PLA deploying new mountain MBT in high altitude regions. Catch phrase: China is determined to meet the challenge of any militant adventurism.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby tsarkar » 28 Dec 2011 13:19

^^ Swastika was Finnish AF emblem before Nazi Germany adopted it. Mannerheim was a patriot and nationalist, he allied with Germany only to regain Finnish territories lost to Russia in 1939. His prudence is shown by the fact that he didnt occupy Russian territory even when Russians were their weakest. His not occupying Northern Russia allowed Leningrad to be supplied, and US/British convoys resupply Russia through Murmansk.

BTW, swastika is the base design for basket and cloth weaving, that was important for early civilizations, hence depicted on ancient stone carvings and other data storage devices of the ancient world, so following generations could see and remember. All that bloodshed for basket weaving technique!!!

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Singha » 28 Dec 2011 16:34

the finns and germans did try a two pronged attack via north finland and norway to cut the land route to murmansk and directly take over murmansk as well. both attacks failed. the soviet general in charge was later given the charge for russian attack on manchuria in closing stages of ww2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Silver_Fox

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Singha » 28 Dec 2011 16:48

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16337648

China GPS rival Beidou starts offering navigation data

China's satellite navigation system has become operational, according to an official.

Beidou now offered location, timing and navigation data to China and surrounding areas announced the project's spokesman Ran Cheng.

China has been working on the system since 2000 to provide an alternative to the US government-run Global Positioning System (GPS).

The move should make China's military less dependent on foreign technology.

A launch earlier this month delivered the tenth of Beidou's satellites into orbit.

Beijing plans to send a further six satellites into space by 2012 to extend the system to most parts of Asia, and then expand the network to a total of 35 satellites offering global coverage by 2020.

Interested parties are invited to study a test version of the project's Interface Control Document which has been placed online
Missile guidance

Beidou - which translates as the Big Dipper - promises to offer civilian users positioning information correct to the nearest 10 metres, measure speeds within 0.2 metres per second, and provide clock synchronisation signals accurate to 0.02 millionths of a second.

The Chinese military will be able to obtain more accurate data.


A 2004 study by Geoffrey Forden, a researcher at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, suggested that Beidou could be used to target cruise missiles against Taiwan if a war broke out over the territory. Having its own system would protect China against the risk that the US could turn GPS off.

A 2011 report for the website defensepolicy.org suggested the network could also be used to guide drones to destroy foreign naval forces were China to come under attack.

However, Beidou's developers also stress day-to-day benefits for the public.

They told China Daily that the system could create a 400 billion yuan ($63.2bn, £40.4bn) market in related applications for the automotive, telecommunications, fishing and other industries by 2020.

Alternative systems

Mr Ran also noted that the system is compatible and interoperable with the world's other navigation systems.

Beyond GPS, Russia operates the Glonass network. It recently launched a series of satellites to cover gaps in its system and reported earlier this month that it once again covered 100% of the Earth's surface.

The EU is also developing its own system - Galileo. The first of its operational satellites entered orbit in October. The European Space Agency said the network should be completed in 2019.

Meanwhile, defence developer Lockheed Martin is working to upgrade the US's system to GPS III.

The firm has begun constructing a prototype next-generation satellite in a facility near Denver.

The US Air Force said the new system would have more power, making it harder for enemies to jam it, and allowing the signals to penetrate deeper into built up cities and dense foliage.

The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that the project will cost $25bn by 2025.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Singha » 28 Dec 2011 16:49

here is the 13-page Beidou ICD placed online. perhaps someone like SSSalvi who understands such matters might read and translate into plain english for us?

http://www.beidou.gov.cn/attach/2011/12 ... 1d1363.pdf

p.s. so now its a matter of the time before the Pakis get hold of chinese JDAM kits in bulk , with beidou mil-grade signal.

we had best plan for glonass guided gps munitions in parallel...

efforts need to be stepped up how gps signals can be confused or jammed
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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby pankajs » 28 Dec 2011 16:51

China’s Noisy Subs Get Busier http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/12/china-submarines/
The military’s latest secret assessment of China’s rapidly modernizing submarines has good news and bad news for the U.S. Navy. On one hand, the roughly 60 submarines in the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) fleet are spending more and more time on combat-ready patrols — signaling China’s increasing naval competence and growing seriousness about influencing the western Pacific Ocean.

On the other hand, the flurry of undersea activity gives American forces more opportunities to tail and examine Chinese subs. And U.S. analysts discovered a silver lining in the gathering strategic storm clouds. Chinese submarines are a hell of a lot noisier than anyone expected. The sound you hear is the Pacific balance of power tipping in Washington’s favor.

The assessment’s biggest surprise: Leaving aside the PLAN’s dozen imported Russian subs, new Chinese submarines can be detected at what’s known as the “first convergence zone,” a ring approximately 25 miles from an undersea vessel where outward-traveling sound waves pack close together.

During the Cold War, the U.S. Navy would arrange its own submarines in lines where each boat was 25 miles from the next, forming a sort of net to catch Soviet subs. With the introduction of the latest generation of quiet Russian diesel subs in the 1990s, the Americans thought that convergence-zone detection was no longer possible. But the Navy’s just discovered that China’s homemade subs are even louder than 20-year-old Russian boats. “Apparently they [U.S. subs] are making first convergence zone detections and holding them,” the analyst reports.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Singha » 28 Dec 2011 16:54

lets not take that at face value. could be just psyops to goad the chinese into something rash like sending out some of their more classified kit. the chinese have a vested interested right now in appearing weak and noisy until such time as it suits them.

in any case we have no means to form a 25mile gap picket in the south china sea! so we have a 60-sub threat heading our way :roll:

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby pankajs » 28 Dec 2011 17:01

Sure, With little information to go on, if we had to guess we should guess conservatively. The Chinese may also have been exposed to the French sub tech via Pakistan's Agosta 90B project.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Singha » 28 Dec 2011 17:13

Rubin themselves are said to have consulted for the Yuan design and ofcourse china would respect no copyright on the Kilos themselves. the powerplants for the Yuan are I believe either russian, ukrainian or german the usual chinese sources of big diesel engine and propulsion gear.

the Song class is probably pretty bad, but the Yuan and its improved Yuan cousins should be taken up seriously imo.

even a noisy sub can cause plenty of damage if left undetected though...so 7 Song class appearing at widely separated points in anyone's backyard is again a issue.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby member_20067 » 28 Dec 2011 23:01

Chinese Army Rookie Grenade Throw Fails... .







Grenade Flies Backward in the Chinese Marine Corps - Another one!
This happend in the marine. Again life was save by the sarge.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=55a_1325081075

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Austin » 29 Dec 2011 10:46

I&A Volume 1 Number 11

Table of Contents
Strategic Warfare
The PLA’s 2nd Artillery Corps (Sean O’Connor) 1 ; Strategic Warfare ;PLA BM Launch Sites (Sean O’Connor) 52 ;Strategic Warfare ; The PLAN SSBN Force (Sean O’Connor) 57 ; Air Defense PLA SAM Modernization (Sean O’Connor) 62

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby pankajs » 29 Dec 2011 11:08

Chinese Military Gun Accident Reported by State Media
In a rarely-seen admission, Chinese state media recently reported an accident at a military base in Jilin Province. During the testing of a new machine gun model, the bullet became stuck and exploded in the chamber, resulting in serious facial injuries to a PLA soldier.
The Chinese regime considers weapons testing a national secret, and it is unusual to see reports of military accidents in Chinese media.

Voice of America said it generally takes many years for a Chinese military test failure report to be declassified, even if the equipment is close to retirement.
China Youth Daily recently also revealed a Chinese Air Force testing failure of a new giant ground-drilling bomb weighing several tons.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby abhischekcc » 29 Dec 2011 14:36

Anybody of you know mandarin or planning to take lessons?

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby shiv » 29 Dec 2011 14:48

Prithwiraj wrote:Chinese Army Rookie Grenade Throw Fails... .

Grenade Flies Backward in the Chinese Marine Corps - Another one!
This happend in the marine. Again life was save by the sarge.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=55a_1325081075


Interesting videos. The second one briefly shows the young soldier sticking his little finger into a ring and then throwing what appears to be a stick grenade. It appears that the act of throwing is supposed to leave the ring on the man's hand but let the grenade fly off.

If the ring/pin does not slip off easily the throw can go wildly off the mark as it did.

Here is an image of a Chinese grenade of possibly that design and a description
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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby krishnan » 29 Dec 2011 15:51

What if the ring doesnt come off???


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