China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby member_23370 » 06 Dec 2012 06:16

Hey he has already made it clear that J-10 can only be given free no one will pay for it. Lets accept his wisdom and watch if somalia wants an AF and would like some J-10's.

AArrgh..Shiv beat me to it. I was going to suggest the BSF air wing. :rotfl:
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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby krishnan » 06 Dec 2012 06:16

Well china will have to pay bribe to give free aircrafts :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Harshad » 06 Dec 2012 06:53

wong wrote:It's kinda hard to compete with FREE. That's the export market for J-10 class fighters. The US essentially gives away it retired F-16's to Iraq, Philippines, Pakistan and other countries (everybody but India). How many LCA exports?? Yeah, that's right. ZERO.


The locomotives that you sold to pakistan were not free. So sure you have exported them but they are all junk. Junk that can not be repaired. Even the Pakis dont want to deal with you again.

By God they are turning to India for assistance. Shame on your quality an shame on your service.

Myanmar rejected J-10 and went for Mig 29s

Malaysian Railways mothballed 15 out of 20 locos purchased from China

Namibian loco sale also a quality disaster.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby member_20067 » 06 Dec 2012 07:04


Chinese locomotives kaput N$36m down the rail

http://www.namibian.com.na/index.php?id ... no_cache=1

Four Chinese locomotives, which cost about N$36 million and arrived in Namibia five years ago, could be used for only 33 months and suffered 265 failures during that time from October 2004 until June 2007, Parliament was told yesterday.
“This translated into an availability rate of less than 40 per cent,” Works and Transport Minister Helmut Angula said in response to questions posed by Nora Schimming-Chase of the CoD.
“TransNamib grounded all these locomotives in June 2007 due to their poor performance and serious safety risks related to the braking system,” Angula added.
“The decision to buy them was economically justified, but due to a lack of a proper technical analysis of the Chinese manufacturer’s design and a lack of quality control, these locomotives were not suitable for the Namibian environment in which they had to operate.”
In response to Schimming-Chase’s question as to who would pay for these ‘white elephants’, Angula said that TransNamib and the Chinese company had agreed in 2005-06 that the Chinese would rebuild the four locomotives at a cost of US$260 000 (about N$2,6 million.) The Chinese train bought for the route from Windhoek to Ondangwa – the Omugulu GwoMbashe Star – was bought for US$2,3 million (about N$23 million), the Minister told the House.
It was originally intended as a shuttle train between Windhoek and the Hosea Kutako International Airport, but this never materialised.
The train was rerouted to the Windhoek-Walvis Bay route and from July 2006 to the northern route between Windhoek and Ondangwa and ran once a week.
“The Omugulu GwoMbashe Star (OGS) broke down in March 2007 with a broken gearbox casing. As this product was a one-off unit manufactured for TransNamib, such part had to be manufactured in China and arrived in September 2007,” according to Angula.
But the saga did not end there.
During the test run, “the complete gearbox disintegrated”, the Minister added.
Replacement parts arrived 15 months later, at the end of 2008. This time the repairs were completed and the test runs were successful.
“Since the end of 2008, the OGS is running but it does not go to the north,” Angula told the astonished MPs.
“Currently the OGS is catering mainly for business corporate functions and chartered trips.”
In the meantime, TransNamib is analysing the train routes in the country “to determine which route and rail service could best apply in order to utilise the OGS”.
Angula did not say why TransNamib did not do such a study before the OGS came into operation.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Selamat Pagi » 06 Dec 2012 09:17

^^^^

China trains and locomotives are exported all over the world. Including several countries in Europe, the Middle East and Australia.

China is also the 4th largest exporters of arms in the world.
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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby member_20292 » 06 Dec 2012 09:36

shiv wrote:
What are the intended roles of J 20 and J 31?



word.

Chinese posters; contribute something useful to this thread or face bans and being "disappeared" from this internet forum.

you folks are increasingly turning troll

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby member_20067 » 06 Dec 2012 10:16

Selamat Pagi wrote:^^^^

China trains and locomotives are exported all over the world. Including several countries in Europe, the Middle East and Australia.

China is also the 4th largest exporters of arms in the world.
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This is what China does... no one else will sell weapons to Sudan... and Libya and other sub-Saharan Africa... so Chinese .. will step in.. hardly can be considered as export success...

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby ashi » 06 Dec 2012 10:54

wong wrote:How many LCA exports?? Yeah, that's right. ZERO.


The market for Mig-21 like is already saturated by J-7s. It would be hard for another Mig-21++.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Chinmayanand » 06 Dec 2012 10:55

Selamat Pagi / Salamat Paki ???

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby member_20067 » 06 Dec 2012 11:38

ashi wrote:
wong wrote:How many LCA exports?? Yeah, that's right. ZERO.


The market for Mig-21 like is already saturated by J-7s. It would be hard for another Mig-21++.


Tejas is not going to be exported.. We don't export cheap crap.. to Bangladesh...

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Singha » 06 Dec 2012 11:45

This thread reminds me of the uncleared garbage in bbmp areas.

Nothing positive emanates from the trolls here. Why are they let run around here? Or is this some ant/rat lab experiment run by admins?

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby shiv » 06 Dec 2012 14:44

Singha wrote:This thread reminds me of the uncleared garbage in bbmp areas.

Nothing positive emanates from the trolls here. Why are they let run around here? Or is this some ant/rat lab experiment run by admins?

It just shows what the Chinese sink to once we start talking about them and stay on topic. They have nothing to say to defend their junk and prefer to say things about Indians.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby eklavya » 06 Dec 2012 15:33

wong wrote:LOL. You probably did write it. Digging further, that passage comes from an Indian site and the dumbest military site, strategypage.com. You guys are really getting desperate.

07:41 GMT, May 11, 2010 8ak (http://www.8ak.in) | On April 13, in the port city of Tianjin about 130- KM away from Beijing, China showed off its 4th Generation J-10 aircraft to military attaches of about 50 countries it could possibly export to. 9 days later as per Strategy page reports it was running to cover up the 2nd crash of the J-10 fighter that became public in the last two years.


wong, by repeating the lies about J-10 being a Chinese design, you are just displaying what the world already knows about the Chinese state and its minions: you are willing to tell any amount of lies, cheat anyone, and steal anything to give the impression of progress. Instead you end up looking like liars, cheats and thiefs.

Frankly, I pity you. You have grown up in a country where lies is truth and truth is lice (hidden in your hair, itching your head, but not to be heard or seen).

For example, your leadership lies to the whole world about the South China Sea being Chinese territorial waters. But the reality is they don't believe it themselves and/or your Navy is rubbish. Which is why India will continue to explore for hydrocarbons in Vietnamese economic zone in the South China Sea.

I challenge your oil companies and rust bucket Navy to engage in exploration activity in Indian territorial waters. No doubt, you will have something to say about China's peaceful lice.

As for J-10, here's what FAS wrote in 2000:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/j-10.htm
The J-10 [the export version being designated F-10] is a multi-role single-engine and single-seat tactical fighter, with its combat radius of 1,000 km. It is designed for point defensive warfare with performance generatlly matching aircraft such as the Mirage 2000 deployed by Taiwan. Apparently, Chinese engineers are trying to develop the J-10 from a single F-16 provided by Pakistan, and with assistance from Israeli engineers associated with Israel’s US-financed Lavi fighter program, which was cancelled in 1987.

The acquisition of Su-27, after China had attempted for years to develop the J-10 aircraft with equivalent technology to perform similar functions, demonstrates a lack of confidence in domestic industrial capabilities.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby eklavya » 06 Dec 2012 15:47

ashi wrote:
wong wrote:How many LCA exports?? Yeah, that's right. ZERO.


The market for Mig-21 like is already saturated by J-7s. It would be hard for another Mig-21++.


ashi, glad you are able to quote the former Indian air chief (talking about the LCA as it was ca 2 years ago), who like everyone else in India, is free to say what they think.

When was the last time the Chinese air force chief said anything remotely honest about the trash churned out by the Chinese miltary industrial complex?

You know very well the J-10 is a copy, and it sucks.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Chinmayanand » 06 Dec 2012 16:02

Why do we waste so much time showing the light to these 50-cent robots from China ? No matter what is said or shown , they are here to sing praises of the middle kingdom. That's what gets them 50 cents and runs their lives. If they don't do this , they will have to sell kidneys or liver . If they accept the truth of China producing junk, garbage and crap , they will lose job,income and face the wrath of the firing squad.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby kish » 06 Dec 2012 17:12

^^^ isn't it fun?

They invariably reinforce what is public knowledge here in BRF.

Their line of argument is
1) We can produce cheap copies of MIG -21, Su-27, etc, you name it.
2) We can steal tech and claim it as our own.
3) We are good at reverse engineering.

The communist party is great in stealing, cheating, reverse engineering, producing cheap products. While, India cannot do these things. Hurray, communist party wins!

The more they post, the message spreads better. Common communist party biladels, you can do better.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby darshhan » 06 Dec 2012 19:16

shiv wrote:
Bheeshma wrote:

But thanks for settling the issue J-10 can only be sold free no one will pay for than kind of crap.


I am sure Indians would be glad to accept free J-10s from China. Every armed force in India now wants an air force and I heard that the Jharkhand Coast Lifeguards dept need some aircraft. How about free J-10's from China?



Delhi police gypsies are breaking down too often. J-10 will be an ok transport option for the ordinary beat constable. If it is free then all the better. Will be a very good tool to intimidate the truck drivers.

By the way does J-10 come with airbags? If yes then I might consider ordering one.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Leonard » 07 Dec 2012 04:27

Another example of Chinese -- shafted P & W -- while "claiming" to build the Z-10 helicopter .. Full article is 3 Pages Enjoy ..

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012 ... licopters/

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The Chinese told P&WC that CMH was going to be a “common platform” for multiple helicopters—a gunship and a “dual use” transport helicopter that would be used for both civilian and military purposes. There was no timeline offered for the civilian version; AVIC was looking for a way to accelerate the development of the Z-10 attack helicopter without having to wait for Chinese engine manufacturers to catch up. So, given that much of the technology for the Z-10 itself was coming from Agusta, and Agusta already was familiar with the characteristics of the PT6C-67C engine, AVIC was hoping to get P&WC to provide development engines as a stopgap until their Chinese supplier was ready.

P&WC’s PT6C-67C turbine engine is sold worldwide for use in civilian helicopters; being Canadian, it didn’t fall under US export regulations. So the company thought it was in the clear to use the engine for the Z-10 project for development—so long as everyone thought the sale was for a “dual use” application, and not for a gunship.

The main problem that P&WC had to get past was the software that controlled the engine. Like most modern turbine engines, the PT6C can’t function without electronic engine control (EEC) software, which controls the flow of fuel to the engines, power output, and other parameters based on factors like air density, pressures within the engine, and the input from the pilot via a digital throttle control. The engines P&WC had sold previously to Agusta used both controller hardware and software from UTC’s avionic software subsidiary Hamilton Sundstrand—a US company based in Connecticut.

While exporting the software as part of engines for an Italian manufacturer wasn’t an issue, exporting the software to China was. And to get the engine controls to work properly with the avionics of an assault helicopter, changes were required, which would technically turn the software into a “defense article” covered by the US export ban.

The Canadian Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade (DFAIT) initially was suspicious about the whole deal. P&WC disclosed the nature of the project in a request for a permit in September of 2000, saying that that a military helicopter would get the engine for development purposes first—leaving out the small detail that it was in fact an attack helicopter. DFAIT officials expressed concerns about the level of technology in the engines, and said that it would require an export license for the engines unless the initial version of the helicopter was “civil certified.” And according to internal documents, Canadian officials were “particularly interested to know whether the aircraft was a gun ship.”



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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Selamat Pagi » 07 Dec 2012 06:17

Prithwiraj wrote:
Selamat Pagi wrote:^^^^

China trains and locomotives are exported all over the world. Including several countries in Europe, the Middle East and Australia.

China is also the 4th largest exporters of arms in the world.
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This is what China does... no one else will sell weapons to Sudan... and Libya and other sub-Saharan Africa... so Chinese .. will step in.. hardly can be considered as export success...

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Apparently, you are a poor reader.

There is nothing in the above data that says China export to UN embargoed countries. Per the diagram you posted, only Ivory coast, Eritrea and Sudan Government is embargoed. There is no proof that China supplied weapons to Sudan after the embargo was applied. Just because the weapons were Chinese doest not mean China is responsible.

Try again.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby member_20067 » 07 Dec 2012 06:24

Selamat Pagi wrote:
Apparently, you are a poor reader.

There is nothing in the above data that says China export to UN embargoed countries. Per the diagram you posted, only Ivory coast, Eritrea and Sudan Government is embargoed. There is no proof that China supplied weapons to Sudan after the embargo was applied. Just because the weapons were Chinese doest not mean China is responsible.

Try again.


have you bothered to read through link provided before terming me as a poor reader? typical BS

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby member_20067 » 07 Dec 2012 06:26

Selamat Pagi wrote:
Apparently, you are a poor reader.

There is nothing in the above data that says China export to UN embargoed countries. Per the diagram you posted, only Ivory coast, Eritrea and Sudan Government is embargoed. There is no proof that China supplied weapons to Sudan after the embargo was applied. Just because the weapons were Chinese doest not mean China is responsible.

Try again.


China only sells to the countries who can not afford quality western weapons or are not allowed to buy from west...I am not buying your typical BS

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Selamat Pagi » 07 Dec 2012 06:28

Prithwiraj wrote:
Selamat Pagi wrote:
Apparently, you are a poor reader.

There is nothing in the above data that says China export to UN embargoed countries. Per the diagram you posted, only Ivory coast, Eritrea and Sudan Government is embargoed. There is no proof that China supplied weapons to Sudan after the embargo was applied. Just because the weapons were Chinese doest not mean China is responsible.

Try again.


have you bothered to read through link provided before terming me as a poor reader? typical BS



What link ? There is no link in your post.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby member_22539 » 07 Dec 2012 07:13

^^Somebody's post about this thread being a garbage dump seems to be quite true. It has attracted yet another disease carrying vermin. Only question is whether this one is from the west of India or from the east.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby member_20067 » 07 Dec 2012 07:44

Arun Menon wrote:^^Somebody's post about this thread being a garbage dump seems to be quite true. It has attracted yet another disease carrying vermin. Only question is whether this one is from the west of India or from the east.


Pakis and Bangladeshis are more desperate to defend Chinese than Chinese themselves...guess why?

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby shiv » 07 Dec 2012 09:20

World arms statistics from http://www.50centers.com


Word's largest arms exporters
1. Rest of the world: 96%
2. China: 4%

Worlds cheapest Junk producers
1. China - 96%
2. Rest of the world - 4%

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby rrao » 07 Dec 2012 12:00

some more garbage ...selamat pagi means " good morning" in malay and indonesian lingo!!!! could be a malay or indonesian moulana !!!!!

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby kancha » 07 Dec 2012 12:23

"Selamat Pagi" is also the handle of one of the 'prominent' deff & dumbers :mrgreen:

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby nits » 07 Dec 2012 13:11

Chinese daily says its jet superior to Russian fighter

China’s new fighter aircraft J-15 is not a copy of the Russian Su-33 and is in fact superior to it, a state-run Chinese daily said Thursday.

The state-run daily then cited areas in which it says the Chinese fighter is ahead of the Russian jet.

First, J-15 has an avionics more advanced than Su-33. Su-33 is equipped with old-fashioned ARINC429 discrete avionics system of one-way low-speed data bus, while J-15 adopts joint avionics system of bidirectional data bus.

TS-100, the Su-33′s fire-control computer, has a computing speed of only 170,000 times per second, while the J-15′s fire-control computer has an estimated computing speed of over several million times per second, said the media report.

The J-15 owns a much more advanced radar system than the Su-33. Due to its backward avionics system, the Su-33 can only serve as interceptors, and is incapable of air-to-ground precision strike.

The J-15 adopts improved materials and production techniques, and thus has greater strength and lighter weight. Finally, the J-15 is powered by Taihang (WS-10) turbofan engine, which is more powerful than the Su-33′s engine. “Overall, the J-15 is superior to the Su-33, and is comparable to world-class carrier-based aircraft such as the United States’ F-18 and France’s Rafale,” the daily concluded.


:rotfl: :rotfl:

Russians are shivering for a change - :wink:

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby wong » 07 Dec 2012 15:18

Bheeshma wrote:
wong wrote:It's kinda hard to compete with FREE. That's the export market for J-10 class fighters. The US essentially gives away it retired F-16's to Iraq, Philippines, Pakistan and other countries (everybody but India). How many LCA exports?? Yeah, that's right. ZERO.



LOL really US gives them for free. Why did the pakis pay up 65-70 mil for a 30 year old US frigate without any SAM's or offensive missiles. Nothing is ever free but PN still wanted the OHP's despite their age.


LOL. Indians are the ONLY ones who pay cash.
Where does Pakistan get $70 mil ?? For new F-16s, General Dynamics sells it to a US State Dept Export agency. Then the US Treasury pays that agency to pay General Dynamics. The F-16 is then given to Pakistan for FREE as foreign military aid or soft loans no one expects to be ever paid back and written off to 1 cent on the dollar from day one. This is for a brand new Block 52 F-16. For retired F-16, it's FREE to US friends, just show up in the desert to fly it home.

Poor Indians and Rich Saudis are only ones that pay the Americans with real money.
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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby krishnan » 07 Dec 2012 15:21

Do you known what GUBO means ????

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby krish.pf » 07 Dec 2012 17:16

Since there is extensive talks of Chinese junks in this page, cross posting... :mrgreen:

JF-17's true name makes it to Google Suggestions :lol: and in Google.com too. In Google.co.in it's on top of the suggestions with even less alphabets. lol

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby wong » 07 Dec 2012 17:22

^^^^

I think that super duper IT Indians still running 12 year old Windows XP is funnier.

Rich Saudi Arabia pays cash for American arms for what the Mafia calls protection money. Essentially a no-regime change fee to the Americans. What I can't figure out is why poor India does it too.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby adityadange » 07 Dec 2012 17:49

I think that super duper IT Indians still running 12 year old Windows XP is funnier.

and what difference does it make to the google search suggestions?

btw, What are the intended roles of J 20 and J 31?

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby wong » 07 Dec 2012 18:46

adityadange wrote:
I think that super duper IT Indians still running 12 year old Windows XP is funnier.

and what difference does it make to the google search suggestions?

btw, What are the intended roles of J 20 and J 31?


Actually lots. What Google returns is location and (for features) OS specific.

As for the intended roles of our planes, stop treating it like it's some profound and deep thought question that will drive the Chinese members crazy. I was going to let you guys keep asking it to see how long the joke could go on, but fun is over.

1st. How the F should we know ?? And if we were in a position to know, we certainly wouldn't reveal it on a public internet forum.

2nd. We can certainly speculate. J-31 is for export, Pakistan. J-20 is to bomb Tokyo/Guam and mop up Delhi once all the long range stealth cruise missiles (Thanks Noshir Gowadia!!) and IRBMs are done.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby prashanth » 07 Dec 2012 19:39

wong wrote:2nd. We can certainly speculate. J-31 is for export, Pakistan. J-20 is to bomb Tokyo/Guam and mop up Delhi once all the long range stealth cruise missiles (Thanks Noshir Gowadia!!) and IRBMs are done.


Balderdash. We are not afraid. I still stand by the opinion that you cannot produce a quality product by thieving designs.
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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby nvishal » 07 Dec 2012 19:45

@wong
China won't fight a war in which it can't win. Current india is no longer the india of 1962 and today it is in a position where it can deny china a victory.

In fact, take a look at the china map:
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This country shares it's borders with almost a dozen countries. A full scale war will bring neighbors into it and there is no way the chinese can plug all its holes. Not only will china loose a full scale war but it will be dismembered. The tibetans and the uygurs will happily take the invading armys side.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby eklavya » 07 Dec 2012 20:13

wong wrote:^^^^

I think that super duper IT Indians still running 12 year old Windows XP is funnier.

Rich Saudi Arabia pays cash for American arms for what the Mafia calls protection money. Essentially a no-regime change fee to the Americans. What I can't figure out is why poor India does it too.


wong, why dont you show us what results google gives on your pirated operating system.

India spends 2% of her GDP on defence, which is enough to beat the morons who run the PLA, the CPC, and your pet piglets in Pakistan.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby eklavya » 07 Dec 2012 20:36

wong wrote:
adityadange wrote:As for the intended roles of our planes, stop treating it like it's some profound and deep thought question that will drive the Chinese members crazy. I was going to let you guys keep asking it to see how long the joke could go on, but fun is over.

1st. How the F should we know ?? And if we were in a position to know, we certainly wouldn't reveal it on a public internet forum.

2nd. We can certainly speculate. J-31 is for export, Pakistan. J-20 is to bomb Tokyo/Guam and mop up Delhi once all the long range stealth cruise missiles (Thanks Noshir Gowadia!!) and IRBMs are done.


So, they are both suicide bombers. Makes sense. :lol:

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby kish » 07 Dec 2012 20:42

wong wrote:^^^^

I think that super duper IT Indians still running 12 year old Windows XP is funnier.

Rich Saudi Arabia pays cash for American arms for what the Mafia calls protection money. Essentially a no-regime change fee to the Americans. What I can't figure out is why poor India does it too.


Windows xp and Saudi Arabia in "Chinese military" thread :lol:

Common post more and make this "Chinese junk thread" or "Locusts thread" :mrgreen:

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby member_22539 » 07 Dec 2012 20:49

^^Man these Chinese trolls really earn their pay. Instead of answering why the word Junk is associated with their product, they instead focus on something really inconsequential. Next time someone asks this guy "are u a ba$tard?", instead of defending his mother's honor, he is going to complain about the guys breakfast. He will complain about the onions he had for breakfast and how Saudi Arabia likes onions. Then he will go on about how Chinese onions are better than Indian onions. Anything but answer the question.


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