China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby member_23047 » 23 Apr 2013 21:26

What is interesting is, since they are 10 kms inside our territory why not block their exit route, some 8 kms from the LAC then, with the Ladakh Scouts camp 500 mtrs from their camps, intimidate them, and force them to call a flag meeting to get their troops out of the dead log. That would teach them a lesson, not to enter in these places unannounced.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby PratikDas » 23 Apr 2013 22:42

Apparently they flew in with two helicopters. They could just fly back out. It's not like we're shooting Chinese helicopters down Atlantique-style. There's much to learn from the recent history with the Senkaku Islands. Despite all the sabre rattling, not a single shot has been fired yet. Rather, we've only seen pussy-footing by China switching on Fire Control Radars and then switching them off. Japan is treading carefully as well.

The Australian: Shinzo Abe threat to use force if Chinese land on Senkakus

Rick Wallace, Tokyo Correspondent, April 24, 2013 12:00AM

JAPANESE Prime Minister Shinzo Abe yesterday vowed to expel by force any Chinese landing on disputed islands as Sino-Japanese tensions erupted again.

A record eight Chinese government ships entered the 19km limit around the Tokyo-controlled islands - known as the Senkakus in Japan and Diaoyu in China - as they shadowed a protest flotilla of Japanese nationalists.

The incursions came on the same day 168 Japanese legislators visited the Yasukuni war shrine in Tokyo in spite of opposition from China and South Korea.

Recent signs of a thawing in ties between Japan and China, and Japan and South Korea, amid North Korea's belligerence, seem to have been swept away on a new tide of nationalist chest-beating.

"We would take decisive action against any attempt to enter territorial waters and to land on the islands," Mr Abe told parliament.

"It would be natural for us to expel by force the Chinese if they were to make a landing."

Mr Abe said Japan feared Chinese fishermen might use the pretext of seeking shelter to land on the island and then refuse to leave, in order to further the Chinese government's ambitions to seize the islands.


Yesterday, a protest flotilla from the Gambare Nippon nationalist group reached the islands under watchful eyes aboard up to 10 Japan Coast Guard vessels and eight Chinese maritime surveillance ships.

Members of the group swam ashore to the islands last August, but executive board member Yasushi Watanabe yesterday told The Australian this time they had heeded advice from the coastguard not to land. "This time we wanted to work together with the local fishermen to show our presence and express that the fishing grounds around the Senkakus are within Japan's control," he said.

Speaking from the nearby island of Ishigaki, he said the flotilla was "chased around" by the Chinese vessels, but was protected by the Japan Coast Guard.

Mr Watanabe said the flotilla left the Senkakus and was returning to Ishigaki yesterday.

Tensions in the area are significantly higher than last year, as evidenced by the so-called radar lock incident in January, when a Chinese naval frigate trained its firing radar on a Japanese destroyer in the waters off the Senkakus.

Japan yesterday lodged a protest with China over the surveillance ships' incursions, while Beijing registered its displeasure with Tokyo, describing the nationalists' visit as "illegal" and "troublemaking".

The islands - which lie between Taiwan and Okinawa in the East China Sea - have become a touchstone for nationalists in Japan and China and are ranked by many scholars as the most dangerous flashpoint for a major conflict in the world.

They sit atop a gas field among rich fishing grounds, but they are thought to be primarily of strategic interest given their position in the middle of China's gateway to the Pacific. The US has repeatedly said the islands are covered by the treaty obliging it to defend any attack on Japanese territory.

Any landing on the islands would have the potential to rapidly escalate the dispute to a crisis level, at which naval ships and air force jets from both sides would be likely to be involved.

The most recent spike in tensions began at the weekend when four members of Mr Abe's cabinet attended the Yasukuni Shrine, a last resting place for several notorious war criminals that is seen throughout Asia as a symbol of Japan's wartime brutality.

The visits - led by Deputy Prime Minister Taro Aso - sparked the cancellation of a planned trip to Japan by South Korea's Foreign Minister, Yun Byung-se.


I'm not sure what the long term solution is. I don't think a war will result as it will hurt economies and emergency funds will have to be made available to the armed forces on both sides of the Indo-China Line Of [no] Control. This will seriously hurt pre-election public fund sequestration by the UPA.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby member_26147 » 23 Apr 2013 23:37

China is in a mad rush to expand its territories. I don't understand why though. Do they really think they can subjugate India, Japan, Vietnam, Philippines, Myanmar, Vietnam to do some periphery land grab? What good would this do other than the world to start comparing them to Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan and Imperial British? Do they really want to be on the losing end of another Asian skirmish by pulling such stunts? They are putting a lot at stake for very little. This doesn't make any business/economic/patriotic sense to me!

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby svinayak » 24 Apr 2013 01:31

DhruvP wrote:China is in a mad rush to expand its territories. I don't understand why though. Do they really think they can subjugate India, Japan, Vietnam, Philippines, Myanmar, Vietnam to do some periphery land grab? What good would this do other than the world to start comparing them to Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan and Imperial British? Do they really want to be on the losing end of another Asian skirmish by pulling such stunts? They are putting a lot at stake for very little. This doesn't make any business/economic/patriotic sense to me!

Sun Tzu - "Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak."


PRC elite really know that they have been given an image of a powerful country(during cold war) when inside they know how weak they are.
They want to take advantage of the current few years to create an aggressive image

But once the demographics implosion hits PRC in 2017+ they cannot sustain even the military expansion. Their Indian Ocean strategy needs to be studied and they are trying to show that they can control the IOR. More of a replacement and another competitor to India than for PRC itself.

They are doing more than what they are capable of and trying hard to show it.

They may need a confrontation before 2017 so that they can create a peace period after that.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Manish_Sharma » 24 Apr 2013 03:52

Deh Shiva var mohe kabhai shubh karman te kabahoon na taroon !!!


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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby VinodTK » 24 Apr 2013 04:48

From The Indian Express: To pull back, China wants India to give up its posts
China has asked the Indian Army to destroy certain fortified positions in the so-called disputed territory in eastern Ladakh in return for the PLA removing its temporary camp in Depsang valley, now at the centre of a military face-off.

Sources said a flag meeting on Tuesday — the second since the Chinese incursion on April 15 — failed after the Chinese side made its demand. The Indian side was not willing to make a commitment, and that led to an impasse, the sources said.

The sources said that Indian fortifications that have come up recently in eastern Ladakh are in an area different from the one where the current faceoff is taking place. No official word was forthcoming on the flag meeting.

Emerging new details of the situation in the Depsang valley show that the standoff was triggered by a series of five transgressions by troops of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) on April 15, including a border crossing by a Chinese military helicopter. India on Tuesday described the situation as being "face to face", but expressed hope of a peaceful resolution.
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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Singha » 24 Apr 2013 06:27

someone like Gen Sundarji or Maneckshaw would be needed in charge, not political appointees.

even then, the COAS does have a lot of local flexibility without needing to run to the CCS for everything - if he is willing to use his powers.


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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Neshant » 24 Apr 2013 08:58

Intrude 10km into their territory and setup a camp. Put heavily armed commandos in so they're not easy to take down.

Then just wait till they make a move.

Meanwhile have a meeting with Japan, Vietnam and the Phillipines.

Apparently we're all facing the same "problem".

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Sid » 24 Apr 2013 10:47

Just imagine if India had intruded 10 Km into their land and imagine what they would have done. They would have harassed our troops billion times in 2/3 days.

Same actions should be taken by us. If we won't set an example they will keep coming back at us.

Indian troops are itching to take action but congress is still suffering from 62 syndrome.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Aditya_V » 24 Apr 2013 10:48

Admins, the chinese incursion near Siachen looks like anther build up to 1962 with joint CHinese Pakistan plans. the International media is also errily quiet on this. I think we need a seperate thread on this.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby member_23455 » 24 Apr 2013 11:10

Sid wrote:Same actions should be taken by us. If we won't set an example they will keep coming back at us.

Indian troops are itching to take action but congress is still suffering from 62 syndrome.
Posted: 24 Apr 2013 10:47


It was a Congress govt. when the Chinese got a bloody nose at Nathu La, and when they were outmanoeuvred at Sumdorong Chu. This is a product of weak leadership across the board, including in the military top brass, hard though it may be to admit it.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby member_19969 » 24 Apr 2013 13:11

China may use rapid reaction forces.

Given that China has once again decided to 'sweeten' it's recent offer of a Panchsheel redux with a nice juicy intrusion into Indian Territory in the Daulat beg Oldie sector, I think it is time to see some of the options the Chinese military may pursue if the matter escalates.


http://ibnlive.in.com/blogs/sauravjha/2976/64503/chinas-likely-escalation-option-against-india-rapid-reaction-forces.html

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby srin » 24 Apr 2013 13:24

shipraM wrote:China may use rapid reaction forces.

Given that China has once again decided to 'sweeten' it's recent offer of a Panchsheel redux with a nice juicy intrusion into Indian Territory in the Daulat beg Oldie sector, I think it is time to see some of the options the Chinese military may pursue if the matter escalates.


http://ibnlive.in.com/blogs/sauravjha/2976/64503/chinas-likely-escalation-option-against-india-rapid-reaction-forces.html


One of the things I see missing in the analysis is the acclimatization factor. Can you bring troops based in Lanzhou (at 8K ft) and deploy them to fight at 17k ft in 48 hours ?

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Singha » 24 Apr 2013 13:32

they can deploy but might need 1 week stay to be fit for active duty. but there were reports that oxygen controlled huts were being purchased on a mass scale to make them sleep in less oxygen and hence be in pre cooked mode.

you know athletes and cricketers also use such masks to reduce the flow of air to simulate thin air .... these masks are cheap. so what if 10,000 such masked bandits are already in ready state ?

I am almost certain they would be using this 24x7 if planning an escalation
http://www.normalbreathing.com/d/training-mask.php

I suspect as usual we will be caught with pants down with such a ninja move

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby member_23455 » 24 Apr 2013 13:43

shipraM wrote:China may use rapid reaction forces.

Given that China has once again decided to 'sweeten' it's recent offer of a Panchsheel redux with a nice juicy intrusion into Indian Territory in the Daulat beg Oldie sector, I think it is time to see some of the options the Chinese military may pursue if the matter escalates.


http://ibnlive.in.com/blogs/sauravjha/2976/64503/chinas-likely-escalation-option-against-india-rapid-reaction-forces.html


The article is a joke at some many levels (Airlifting strike corps into Tibet) and the author a sophisticated version of Prasun DasSengupta having repurposed his blog from multiple sources e.g.

http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/conf_proceedings/CF145/CF145.chap4.pdf

Oh well, time to send Rajdeep Sardesai a mail... :twisted:

Edited: For confusing the artful dodger's surname
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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby subhamoy.das » 24 Apr 2013 13:58

It will be nice if a joint India-Japan-Vietnam force can be deployed in all 3 nations and put out first when an Chinese intrusion happens in any of these nations. This may seem far fetched at this time but may become a necessity in coming days...

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby aditya.agd » 24 Apr 2013 14:28

Who knows if there is a sudden pact between Indian politicians and Chinese. I suddenly do not see any news on Chinese intrusions in online editions of those news sites.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Aditya_V » 24 Apr 2013 16:30

Anthony states negotiations are on.\\

Is there any way we can put sleeping gas on those 50 soldiers and then make those soldiers make in camera confessions that they are seeking political asylum in India. Such a loss of face would make sure PRC never tries that again.

Again if Pigs could fly.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby subhamoy.das » 24 Apr 2013 16:56

This is election year and so the UPA will have to act. In general, giving a benefit of doubt to UPA, democracies tend not to start fire fight as it puts its citizens - read soldiers - in harms way but always waits for the second stike - in self defence - to start the fire fight. Autocracies always does the first strike but pays badly in the end.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Singha » 24 Apr 2013 17:32

kurshid sir thinks speaking firmly and logically to the chinese minister in his doon school accent and shaking hands before the media will convince the panda to shift its camp.

cheen minister will have a real struggle here to stifle a yawn and suppress a loud untidy fart

we will have to go through this whole painful circus and hope something is done before winter sets in and closes all options on our side.


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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby RoyG » 24 Apr 2013 19:45

subhamoy.das wrote:This is election year and so the UPA will have to act. In general, giving a benefit of doubt to UPA, democracies tend not to start fire fight as it puts its citizens - read soldiers - in harms way but always waits for the second stike - in self defence - to start the fire fight. Autocracies always does the first strike but pays badly in the end.


What you don't seem to understand is that this isn't a a fire fight. It takes two sides to tango for that. This is an execution. They have the rifle and we are the ones blindfolded on our knees. The UPA isn't a democratic entity. They are just as deadly to our civilizational interests as the dragon.


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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby VinodTK » 24 Apr 2013 19:59

2 new Army airborne units for deployment near China border
PTI | 05:04 PM,Apr 24,2013

New Delhi, Apr 24 (PTI) Against the backdrop of China strengthening its capability to airlift soldiers, India is planning to raise around 1,500 more airborne troops for deployment in the northeast along the China border. Under the 12th Defence Plan, India is planning to raise two new battalions of the airborne troops with around 1,500 personnel under the elite Parachute Regiment of the Army, Defence Ministry sources told PTI here. The new raisings would be apparently used to check any move by any adversary to airdrop their troops within Indian territory and capture that area, they said. The new units would also be used for the conventional roles in counter terrorism and counter insurgency operations in that area and would also be capable of being dropped behind enemy lines in case of any future war, they said. Recently, the Army raised the 11 Para (SF) that is being deployed under the Tezpur-based 4 Corps and 3 Corps in Dimapur which are two of the Army's main formations looking after the border with China in the northeast. The Parachute Regiment has 10 units under it of which eight are Special Forces units while the rest are Para Commando units with capability of launching airborne operations. Seven among them have already been trained and classified as Special Forces, which are supposed to carry out counter- insurgency operations during peacetime and sabotage enemy installations beyond enemy lines during wars. They are deployed in different sectors of the country and have also been given the responsibility to handle 26/11 type attacks near their area of deployment. China in the recent past has significantly enhanced its capability to launch airborne operations and according to some reports, can air lift more than 3,500 soldiers for operational deployment in one go. PTI AJD SMI

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Austin » 24 Apr 2013 20:00

Couple of J-10 video , Good for Shiv to analyse its performance

China Air Force Aerobatic Team http://youtu.be/FE1b48w6AYk
Aerobatic Team Next Day Show http://youtu.be/Pkj_C2FSA8E
J-10 from Combat Unit http://youtu.be/uqpW2JVGl7Y
Amateur J-10 Video Shaky http://youtu.be/zoQK8JgFC8A
J-10 http://youtu.be/EXWWavj9UmY

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Aditya_V » 24 Apr 2013 20:34

Is there way we can make sure the Chinese soldiers don;t come out to piss, shit for for water outside the Tent, fire shots when they try and come out, the troops will go back in a few days time.

I think the Chinese are prepared for an escalation, in that better we strengthen our defenses, get prepared and then retaliate.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby abhijitm » 24 Apr 2013 22:47

No need to fire or anything. Just siege the perimeter. Let's see how long they can go on without supply.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Philip » 24 Apr 2013 23:10

One must view this act of belligerence by China holistically and look for precedents.Remember how they invaded Viwtnam when ABV was For.Min. on an official visit to China.Everytime a top Chinese sh*tworm arrives in India and India re putting out the red carpet for him,they up the ante on the border,"scinching" as we used to say,with their creeping tactic,gaining ground using the "possession is 9/10ths of the law" argument.Claiming the whole of Ar.Pradesh as "S.Tibet" was a kick in the balls for the spineless UPA .With so many impotent actors in its ranks,no wonder they haven't felt hurt! The public gestures and propaganda by China about improving Sino-Indian relations and cooperation,blah,blah in BRICS,is only meant to further confuse the Indian mandarins and babudom,while they continue their policy of what I define as "micro-warfare"."Micro warfare" is a great method by which to apply pressure increasingly but imperceptibly,so that the enemy does not realise that he is losing the battle.As was said many years ago,the Chinesewill continue to "push" the border back and back,until they meet an immovable object.They di at Sum. Chu,it's past time to teach them the same lesson at D.Beg Oldie.

Coupled with the military response should be a similar political slap in the face,by cancelling the visit of the Chinese sh*tworm; we should organise public demos against the Chinese,boycott Chinese goods,and if they do not budge,kick out their ambassador and ban all Chinese from entering India and a total ban on all Chinese goods from entering India.A high-level delegaation should also visit Taiwan with talks starting on establishment of full diplomatic recognition of Taiwan and the exiled Tibetan govt. as the true rulers of Tibet.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby KrishnaK » 24 Apr 2013 23:50

Given we would never have tried to test their reaction unilaterally and that there isn't much we can do other than plead, I wonder if we could use this situation to test Chinese capability for rapid mobilization ? Escalate, evaluate and back off at a point where we're comfortable with and not worry about loss of face. Much has been written about it. Who knows paani kitna gehra hai ?

It probably isn't practical given how they're blocking our route to DBO per rohitvats. But do/have we ever tried it. Give the chinese a taste of their own medicine and indulge in some takleefdeyi ungli.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby VinodTK » 25 Apr 2013 01:53

From Times of India: China sore with Indian bid to build infrastructure along LAC
NEW DELHI: Even though the current standoff with the Chinese troops in Ladakh may eventually blow over, the signal is clear that India's decision to strengthen infrastructure and deployment near the China-India border — though delayed — has irked Beijing. By taking the unprecedented step of pitching Army tents several km inside of what India perceives as its side of Line of Actual Control (LAC), China appears to have underlined its unhappiness with the heightened Indian activity "far too close" to the border, be it the troop movement, erection of new border outposts (BOPs), re-operationalization of airstrips such as Daulat Beg Oldie (DBO), and laying of border roads for better connectivity.

In fact, the Chinese side made it a point to flag the "increased Indian activity in border areas over the past several months" during the two flag meetings held between the Indian and Chinese local commanders to resolve the latest incursion by PLA troops in the Depsang area. Sources in the security establishment said though the Chinese drew attention to the new Indian fortifications and infrastructure that have come up close to the Sino-Indian border, they stopped short of overtly demanding dismantling of the same as a pre-condition for retreat of their troops from Raki Nala.

Sources said the latest Chinese transgression, which is unusual as the troops this time have erected a tented post and stayed put there since April 15, may have been consciously timed just ahead of Chinese Premier Li Keqiang's visit to India. "The Chinese have been flagging the border issue, either subtly or overtly, through statements by its leaders or even speeches at multilateral forums, for over a year now...these were hints that the border irritants could no longer be brushed aside as "a case of differing perceptions of the LAC" and need to be addressed," a senior intelligence official pointed out, adding that the latest incursion in Depsang is part of Beijing's strategy to forcefully make the same point ahead of Li's visit.

China is also said to be pointed out that the Indian infrastructure has come up much closer to the border, unlike the extensive construction activity it had undertaken on its side. Incidentally, India's decision to strengthen infrastructure and connectivity near the border followed much after China had built a vast network of border roads and tunnels on its side.

Security analysts are of the opinion that new Chinese political leadership may be keen to dispel the notion of its being more reform-oriented and not prone to tough positions on foreign policy issues. Analysts say the latest faceoff in Ladakh may also be aimed as a morale-booster for the People's Liberation Army (PLA) soldiers.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby NRao » 25 Apr 2013 02:29

Paging Shivshankar Menon !!!!

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Sravan » 25 Apr 2013 02:45

Dealing with border incursions:

1) Arrest the trangressive soldiers
2) Concentrate infrastructure development whereever an incursion occurs
3) Deploy force multipliers
4) Have public armory for citizens in case they need weaponry to defend themselves
5) Crowdsource vigilance, provide citizens with communication apparatus for immediate notification to armed forces
6) Issue imminent strike warning to Chinese soldiers and launch a warning strike
7) Shoot down any aircraft which knowingly crosses air space
8) Deploy AWACs so intrusion can be predicted prior to occurrence
9) Have AUTOMATED surface to air missile response towards Chinese military aircraft
10) Build a fence on LAC, declare Tibet independent.
11) Use microwave crowd control technology to irritate camped Chinese troops (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System)
12) Deploy dust sensors throughout LAC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartdust)
13) Release insect sized UAVs for spying
14) Gather intelligence from their intentions whenever intrusion happens (use opportunity to do counter surveillance on Chinese military ambitions)
15) Go into flag meeting with evidence cited from counter surveillance
16) Strike camp, if they refuse to comply. Cite couter surveillance when facing international scrutiny
17) Bug their communication devices, vehicles so we can extrapolate information even when they leave (increase the cost of coming into India)
18) Recruit Chinese spies to pre-emptively inform Indian troops of planned incursions

Lastly, see this as an opportunity to go on the offensive. Offense is the best form of defense.
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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Ghatotkacha » 25 Apr 2013 02:57

Sravan wrote:Dealing with border incursions:

1) Arrest the trangressive soldiers
2) Concentrate infrastructure development whereever an incursion occurs
3) Deploy force multipliers
4) Have public armory for citizens in case they need weaponry to defend themselves
5) Crowdsource vigilance, provide citizens with communication apparatus for immediate notification to armed forces
6) Issue imminent strike warning to Chinese soldiers and launch a warning strike
7) Shoot down any aircraft which knowingly crosses air space
8) Deploy AWACs so intrusion can be predicted prior to occurrence
9) Have [b]AUTOMATED surface to air missile response towards Chinese military aircraft
[/b]10) Build a fence on LAC, declare Tibet independent.
11) Use microwave crowd control technology to irritate camped Chinese troops (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System)
12) Release swarms of bees in the surrounding area
13) Release insect sized UAVs for spying
14) Gather intelligence from their intentions whenever intrusion happens (use opportunity to do counter surveillance on Chinese military ambitions)
15) Go into flag meeting with evidence cited from counter surveillance
16) Strike intrusion, if they refuse to comply. Cite couter surveillance
17) Bug their communication devices, vehicles so we can extrapolate information even when they leave (increase the cost of coming into India)
18) Recruit Chinese spies to pre-emptively inform Indian troops of planned incursions

Lastly, see this as an opportunity to go on the offensive. Offense is the best form of defense.



:rotfl: I love the 9th bullet.
We should definitely implement that and tell Chinese peacefully, we won't be responsible if they intrude. Computer will take the blame.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Nikhil T » 25 Apr 2013 03:07

Before all the steps above, you can ATLEAST threaten to use force! That is sometimes effective as well, as we're seeing with the Japanese response. But we're still at 'talks' stage. Next stage will be 'love letter' urf dossier exchange.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Sravan » 25 Apr 2013 03:17

Nikhil T wrote:Before all the steps above, you can ATLEAST threaten to use force! That is sometimes effective as well, as we're seeing with the Japanese response. But we're still at 'talks' stage. Next stage will be 'love letter' urf dossier exchange.


No point threatening...

Threatening makes sense if China is threatening to intrude. If the intrusion already happened, it is an act of war. You don't threaten to use force in an act of war, you act.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby NRao » 25 Apr 2013 04:49

Folks, This has been going on in some form or another for decades. This one incidence has gone beyond most cases.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby aditya.agd » 25 Apr 2013 04:52

India doesn't have guts to challenge china. Indian government doesn't tell the real 'preparedness' of Indian armed forces to Indian people.

Just show off army, navy, and Air Force for only dissuasive posture. Not real fighting.

Pun intended !! :((

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Sravan » 25 Apr 2013 05:01

aditya.agd wrote:India doesn't have guts to challenge china. Indian government doesn't tell the real 'preparedness' of Indian armed forces to Indian people.

Just show off army, navy, and Air Force for only dissuasive posture. Not real fighting.

Pun intended !! :((


Doing something is still better than being frozen in shock it's happening. By reacting we send a message that we are versatile, and reacting at an early stage is much better than at a later stage. You learn about enemy intentions prior to an order of magnitude escalation. The concept is similar to inertia. An object in motion will remain in motion. A object which is static will remain static. We need to resist the static inertia and build momentum to stop the aggression. Being "prepared" only means you have an idea of a response in place. I doubt we have zero options to exercise. The net distance the initial object travels is determined by how early and how powerful the resistance to that inertia is. So that means we need to mobilize fast and stop the momentum early to minimize damage.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby RoyG » 25 Apr 2013 06:42

NRao wrote:Folks, This has been going on in some form or another for decades. This one incidence has gone beyond most cases.


Yeah, yeah...just like 26/11. We all know how Pakistan was dealt with.


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