China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby kish » 13 Jan 2014 18:55

Since the A-Sat test, China has defied the pretense of "peaceful rise"

China conducts first test of new ultra-high speed missile vehicle

China's military last week conducted the first flight test of a new ultra-high speed missile vehicle aimed at delivering warheads through U.S. missile defenses, Pentagon officials said.

The test of the new hypersonic glide vehicle was carried out Jan. 9 and the experimental weapon is being dubbed the WU-14 by the Pentagon, said officials who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The hypersonic vehicle represents a major step forward in China's secretive strategic nuclear and conventional military and missile programs.

The new hypersonic vehicle was detected traveling at extremely high speeds during the flight test over China, said officials who discussed some details of the test.

The hypersonic craft appears designed to be launched atop one of China's intercontinental ballistic missiles, and then glides and maneuvers at speeds of up to 10 times the speed of sound from near space en route to its target, the officials said.

A Pentagon spokesman confirmed the test but declined to provide details.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Austin » 13 Jan 2014 19:03

Interesting development , This appears to be Chinese version of HTV-2 Hypersonic Boost Glide Vehical traveling at near space ~ 100 km.

Though its an experimental vehical and would take some years to perfect

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Austin » 14 Jan 2014 09:17

Missile defense buster: China tests new hypersonic glide vehicle
Hypersonic vehicles, which are also being designed by the US, India and Russia, are developed for precise targeting, rapid delivery of weapons, and are being tested to outmaneuver hostile missiles and space defenses.

“A boost glide missile theoretically would be intended to counter existing mid-course missile defenses,” Mark Stokes, a former US Air Force officer told the Washington Free Beacon.

Strokes explained that China is developing two hypersonic flight vehicle programs – one believed to be of a post-boost vehicle designed to be deployed from a missile that pursues its target from near space, or some 62 miles from earth. Basing his hypothesis on emerging reports from China, Stokes believes that hypersonic glide vehicles could reach Mach 12 speeds of up to 9,127 miles per hour, potentially compromising a US missile defense.

“The beauty of the HGV is that it can perform hypersonic precision strikes while maintaining a relatively low altitude and flat trajectory, making it far less vulnerable to missile defenses,” Rick Fisher, an analyst at the International Assessment and Strategy Center, told the Washington Free Beacon.

“With the integration of strategic analysis and planning into technical research, China’s pursuit of hypersonic and high-precision weaponry promises to be faster and more focused than that associated with its previous [anti-satellite] and [ballistic missile defense] related research and programs,” Lora Saalman, a specialist on Chinese strategic systems with the Carnegie Endowment Saalman said in an email to the publication. “This recent test is a manifestation of this trend.”

The Chinese are “actively seeking global military power to challenge the United States, and it is not yet in any mood to talk, or engage in arms control, about it,” Fisher said.

In May, the Pentagon’s assessment of Chinese capabilities suggested that China built the world’s largest shockwave hypersonic wind tunnel capable of generating test flying conditions of up to Mach 9 speeds.

Two Chinese technical papers from December 2012 and April 2013 revealed that the country is developing precision guidance systems designed to be directed via satellite. The second Chinese paper concluded that hypersonic weapons pose “a new aerospace threat.”

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby ramana » 14 Jan 2014 09:20

It also goes under radar

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby nash » 14 Jan 2014 10:52

In my PoV, chinese can use this Tech on their DF-21 in Anti-AC role in case of conventional war.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Austin » 14 Jan 2014 11:18

ramana wrote:It also goes under radar


A Russian MOD official mentioned last month that Chinese was close to acquiring Topol-M like capability in a goal to breach US BMD .... a Boost Glide Vehical that travels at 100 km at Hypersonic Speed would be a challenge for even the best of Missile Defence.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Singha » 14 Jan 2014 11:28

Austin, I have a feeling russia is developing its mysterious new "midgetman" type small ICBM for both a DF21Cish ASBM role and to release one of these HBGV type weapons. the topol/yars/new heavy SS18 replacement would continue to deliver conventional RV....maybe they want to try it on a smaller scale before putting it on the yars. else a smallish icbm makes no real sense for them.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Austin » 14 Jan 2014 11:40

Singha wrote:Austin, I have a feeling russia is developing its mysterious new "midgetman" type small ICBM for both a DF21Cish ASBM role and to release one of these HBGV type weapons. the topol/yars/new heavy SS18 replacement would continue to deliver conventional RV....maybe they want to try it on a smaller scale before putting it on the yars. else a smallish icbm makes no real sense for them.


From the same report if you read in the end , it quote Russian Deputy PM who looks after Defence Industry on the mysterious RS-26

“We are experiencing a revolution in military science,” Russian deputy prime minister Dmitry Rogozin said last June, after the 4th test of an advanced road-mobile ICBM, a “missile defense killer” called the RS-26 Rubezh (‘frontier’). “Neither current nor future American missile defense systems will be able to prevent that missile from hitting a target dead on.”

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Aditya_V » 14 Jan 2014 20:16

How come B 05, K-4, Shourya and our BGRV escape uncle media attention. Guess we are not a threat unlike the Chinese

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

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Aditya_V wrote:How come B 05, K-4, Shourya and our BGRV escape uncle media attention. Guess we are not a threat unlike the Chinese



simple, uncle has nothing in the region to monitor such activities, they have some radars to protect Diego Garcia but other than that, most missiles like K-15, Shuarya, Sagarika, Nirbhay and Brahmos launches cannot be detected by any body in the region. They can however detect Agni & probably prithvi missiles purely due to high altitude cielings. They might be able to detect K-4. Actually K-15 has already demonstrated India's hypersonic cruise capability. Shaurya/Sagarika has already hit mach 7.5 over 750km, manuevering and steep dive kill modes and now K-4 will demonstrate 3500km also at over mach 8 cruise ability.
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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby kit » 14 Jan 2014 20:31

One would like to think that after all that foreign maal acquisitions by India there would still be money left to fund DRDO projects .... :roll:

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby NRao » 15 Jan 2014 19:48

China casts red tape in South China Sea

China forayed into 2014 by signaling its intent to consolidate contested territorial claims in the South China Sea. Authorities in the southern Chinese province of Hainan introduced an amended maritime regulation that requires foreign fishing-related vessels to secure the permission of local authorities before entering China's claimed maritime jurisdiction.

The new regulation was passed by Hainan's People's Congress in November and came into effect on January 1. According to the state-owned China News Service, foreign vessels could be apprehended and face up to 500,000 yuan (US$91,800) in fines if they fail to secure entry permission from the relevant and


FON!!!!


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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby member_23455 » 15 Jan 2014 19:55

Septimus P. wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:How come B 05, K-4, Shourya and our BGRV escape uncle media attention. Guess we are not a threat unlike the Chinese



simple, uncle has nothing in the region to monitor such activities, they have some radars to protect Diego Garcia but other than that, most missiles like K-15, Shuarya, Sagarika, Nirbhay and Brahmos launches cannot be detected by any body in the region. They can however detect Agni & probably prithvi missiles purely due to high altitude cielings. They might be able to detect K-4. Actually K-15 has already demonstrated India's hypersonic cruise capability. Shaurya/Sagarika has already hit mach 7.5 over 750km, manuevering and steep dive kill modes and now K-4 will demonstrate 3500km also at over mach 8 cruise ability.


Please don't take this otherwise but you could not be more wrong about this and are unfortunately misleading others will such confident assertions. They are almost all tracked by an aircraft called as the RC-135S COBRA BALL operating out of that very island.

Whether Uncle Sam makes a big deal about it depends...when they do it does not usually make it to open source.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby arun » 15 Jan 2014 20:03

China Conducts First Test of New Ultra-High Speed Missile Vehicle : Washington Free Beacon

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Singha » 15 Jan 2014 22:23

china hypersonic wind tunnel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROgXc3_NpMg

looks more like a particle accelerator due to smallish diameter

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby NRao » 17 Jan 2014 18:17

Very interesting trend. China has been using various means to get a toe hold on her enemies. Recently she used her amby in Washington to write an op-ed. This is from the Japanese amby, his response to that of the Chinese:

China’s propaganda campaign against Japan

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Austin » 18 Jan 2014 09:05

WFB's Bill Gertz: We're in the middle of a hypersonic arms race with Russia and China

http://youtu.be/f4zVgNaw-OU

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby VinodTK » 19 Jan 2014 01:59

China starts building second aircraft carrier: media
Beijing (AFP) - China has started constructing the second of four planned aircraft carriers, a top government official said according to media reports on Saturday.

The ship is under construction in the northeastern port of Dalian and will take six years to build, the reports said quoting Wang Min, Communist Party chief for Dalian's Liaoning province.

The country's first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, was completed in September 2012 in a symbolic milestone for the country's increasingly muscular military.

Another two are in the pipeline, according to Wang, in a projection of power that could be seen as contradicting Beijing's long-stated policy of arming itself strictly for self-defence.

When the Liaoning went into service, Beijing and Tokyo were locked in a territorial row over the Japanese-controlled Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea which China also claims and calls the Diaoyus.

The row continues to simmer, along with other sovereignty disputes with the Philippines and Vietnam.

Early this month a Japanese newspaper said China was overhauling its military structure in order to strengthen its attack capability and secure air and naval superiority in the South China and East China seas.

The Liaoning carrier conducted its maiden mission in the South China Sea in January.

It followed an incident in December in which a US warship was forced to avoid a collision with a Chinese naval vessel, prompting Washington to accuse China of being the aggressor.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby vivek_ahuja » 19 Jan 2014 20:24

I wonder why I had never seen white camo PLA birds before...

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby DavidD » 20 Jan 2014 05:44

White is the standard primer color for PLA helicopters, so basically that's just an unpainted Z-19

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby JE Menon » 20 Jan 2014 20:31

Is her hand down his trousers? :D

If so, the direction seems a case of "searchee, searchee, no findee"...

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Akshay Kapoor » 20 Jan 2014 20:46

Its in his pocket !This is absolutely brilliant. Every nuance is right....

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Eric Leiderman » 20 Jan 2014 21:52

Yes the body language is perfect with MS looking at cheens reaction while the courtship with japan is on , looking at the other 3 too it is perfect as Pakistan always wants its hands in a boysipockets

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Philip » 21 Jan 2014 06:09

The successful test of Agni-4 couldn't have come at a better time.The relentless mil. modernisation and expansion plans by China are now even outstripping some of the US's programmes.The hypersonic tests are indicative of the grave danger that we face in the coming future,with more carriers,stealth fighters,etc.etc. in the pipeline.Here is an article on the same from the NIExp.

http://www.newindianexpress.com/opinion ... 010589.ece
Aim of China's Military Reforms

By Jayadeva Ranade
Published: 21st January 2014 06:00 AM
Modernisation of China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA) has entered the final stage of its current phase. The Chinese Communist Party (CCP)’s Third Plenum, which was held in November 2013 and represents a major advance in China’s reforms, provided a substantive push to the PLA’s modernisation when it approved proposals for major organisational restructuring. The reforms coincide with China’s continuing assertiveness that has unsettled its neighbours.

Appointments to the Central Military Commission (CMC) effected earlier by the CCP’s 18th Congress in Beijing in November 2012 accelerated the drive to strengthen and modernise the 2.3 million-strong PLA. Within days of his appointment as the CMC chairman, Xi Jinping not only endorsed the military modernisation policies of his predecessors Hu Jintao and Jiang Zemin, but also began bluntly advocating more rapid modernisation and technological upgrade of the PLA.

The organisational reforms approved by the CCP’s Third Plenum indicate that changes are imminent in the PLA’s command structure comprising the four principal departments and seven military regions. The PLA Navy (PLAN), PLA Air Force (PLAAF) and China’s strategic missile strike force, namely the Second Artillery, have clearly been allotted an enhanced operational role and will receive priority in allocation of budgets and manpower. Personnel of the Second Artillery, PLAAF and PLAN already receive higher salaries than their counterparts in the PLA’s ground forces. Within days of the Third Plenum, CMC vice-chairman and till recently the PLAAF commander, Xu Qiliang, wrote an article in the party mouthpiece People’s Daily confirming the reforms will be implemented. He mentioned that the number of non-combatants would be drastically reduced and that the reforms would enable the PLA to win wars.

Quite separately, reports filtering out of Beijing and disclosed initially in the solitary official English-language China Daily, suggest that plans have been finalised to merge the military regions. These envisage reorganising the seven military regions into five “combat zones” (zhan chu) within the next five years. Over the past few years China’s military literature has hinted at such impending change with occasional references to “Theatre Commands”. The reorganisation is intended to concentrate firepower and troops trained for a specific type of warfare within a single theatre or zone for ease of rapid deployment. Land and sea warfare forces are to be grouped separately. This reorganisation gives the PLA a definite “outward orientation” neatly meshing with its doctrine of “active defence”.

According to these reports, the three mainly coastal military regions of Jinan, Nanjing and Guangzhou are to be converted into three “combat zones”. Adopting a mainly maritime role, their primary objective will be to reinforce China’s efforts to establish dominance over the East China Sea and South China Sea and face up to the US-Japan alliance. By 2020, all three zones will be reinforced by three aircraft carrier combat groups. Reports suggest existing aircraft carrier Liaoning will be deployed in the East China Sea, while the other two aircraft carriers will be in the South China Sea. Interestingly on January 1, Xinhua showed pictures of Liaoning returning to its home base in Qingdao after month-long exercises in the South China Sea, but avoided mention of the run-in with the US-guided missile warship USS Cowpens.

In April 2013, Xinhua reported Rear Admiral Song Xue, deputy chief of staff of the PLA Navy, saying a second aircraft carrier was under construction. He told foreign military attaches that it would be larger and carry more fighter aircraft. On January 18, 2014, party secretary of Liaoning province Wang Min disclosed China’s second domestically-produced aircraft carrier is being built at Dalian and would be ready in six years.

The four inland military regions of Shenyang, Beijing, Chengdu and Lanzhou are to similarly be merged into two large combat zones. Chengdu and Lanzhou both exercise operational jurisdiction over the India-China border. Each of the two new zones will have units of the PLA Navy, Air Force and Second Artillery integral to them. They will function under a new unified combat command. These reports also disclose that the PLA’s 300,000 non-combatant personnel will be eliminated by 2022. Though China’s ministry of defence denied the reports, it is pertinent that mention was first made in China Daily and that its contents are generally in consonance with Xu Qiliang’s assertion in People’s Daily and the reforms approved at the CCP CC’s Third Plenum.

Rapid advances have also been made in the indigenous development of advanced defence technology and hardware in the past three years. Emphasis was underscored with the appointment of General Zhang Youxia, a known proponent of indigenous development of modern advanced defence technology, as director of the PLA’s General Armaments Department (GAD) in October 2012. The latest development was the announcement on January 9 that China had conducted the first flight test of a new hypersonic glide vehicle, dubbed the WU-14 by the Pentagon, thus becoming one of five nations to possess this capability. The hypersonic vehicle, capable of travelling at speeds between Mach 8 and 12, represents a major advance in China’s secretive strategic nuclear and conventional military and missile programmes. China had in May 2012 opened a new JF12 shockwave hypersonic wind tunnel—the largest of its kind—that replicates flying conditions between Mach 5 and 9.

Also this month, pictures of the new two-seater J-16 stealth fighter built by the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation were posted online. Slated to first be inducted by PLAN and later the PLAAF, the J-16 is loaded with eight tons of air-to-air and anti-ship missiles and has a combat radius of several hundred miles, enabling it to help Chinese warships battle for control of regional waters claimed by China. Some reports claim two dozen J-16 are ready for induction.

These military reforms will give the PLA an outward focus, implying that “recovery” of territories claimed by Beijing will be a central feature of China’s strategic agenda. They will reinforce diplomacy aimed at realising “China’s Dream”. Xi Jinping, meanwhile, continues to further tighten his and the CCP’s grip on the PLA. An important example is the Third Plenum approving the PLA being brought within the ambit of the party’s anti-corruption watchdog, the Central Discipline Inspection Commission.

The writer is a member of the National Security Advisory Board and former additional secretary in the cabinet secretariat, Indian government.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby svinayak » 21 Jan 2014 07:13

"Since the 1950s, China has advanced greatly in military aviation." If you consider the buying of, license production of, and direct illegal copying of Soviet/Russian military aircraft a "great advance."

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby kmc_chacko » 21 Jan 2014 21:10

^^ wow they are quite fast


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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby govardhanks » 23 Jan 2014 08:02

A report of Chinese missile threat, covers different view points, political, economical and military PoV.
http://www.project2049.net/documents/China_Military_Strategy_Easton.pdf

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby vivek_ahuja » 24 Jan 2014 03:21

Chinese fetish to copy ape Amrikhans is truly astonishing. Check out this paint schemes on this panda:

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby NRao » 24 Jan 2014 04:13

Most "Coast Guard"s have that slanting band/s. I just checked Indian, ROK, Argentina, etc. Even on helos they have the band.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby Neshant » 25 Jan 2014 10:06

yes most coast guard vessels have a similar marking.

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A Japanese Coast Guard vessel sails alongside Chinese Coast Guard vessel Haijian No. 66, foreground, near the disputed islands called Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China, in the East China Sea.


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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby VinodTK » 28 Jan 2014 05:54

Delhi frets over war with China
While Indians have managed to live in "relative peace" with China since the debacle in 1962 that was the Sino-Indian War, they are less than confident about holding their own against the country in future conflicts.

In this context, a recent statement by General Bikram Singh, Chief of Army Staff, that India would not allow a repeat of 1962 sounds reassuring at least in consequential terms. As the defensor pacis of India's military interests, Singh would know better. However, such assurances notwithstanding, Indians still fear a war that the country would likely lose.
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As China's political, economic and military power scale new heights, it might resort to another limited war to force a one-sided resolution upon India.

Second, while the political, diplomatic and economic engagements, supplemented with military confidence building measures, have enabled India maintain "relative peace" on China front; India is losing the race in military capacity building vis-a-vis China.

Third, both countries are undergoing a transition process towards becoming great powers. The absence of an agreed border, supplemented by the game for power and influence elsewhere, could encourage China to talk through its guns to India.

Nobody expects India to wage and win a war with China, despite their so-called nuclear parity. India's capacity to resist a Chinese attack and defend its territory is also debatable and less assuring, due to several factors.

First, India does not have a primary update on Chinese military preparedness in the Tibet Autonomous Region (TAR). Indians tend to read Chinese defense modernization developments through the Pentagon's annual Congressional report on Chinese military modernization and other Western sources. These are focused on China's preparations against Taiwan and Japan and do not serve India's interests.

Second, India does not come out with official publications like other great powers to identify the military threat from China. There is also no "strategic doctrine" against China in public and the now-discarded "cold start doctrine" was focused on Pakistan.

Other domestic publications on China's military advances miss the razor-sharp analysis to help policy makers strengthen the defense against China. Indians are also yet to come out with a single study scrutinizing India's capacity-building approach and war-fighting ability against China.

For example, India's defense posture against China is based on strengthening military presence and infrastructure in Ladakh and the northeast. What if the Chinese were to attack the Gangetic plains through collusion with an anti-Indian regime in Nepal? Such war-building scenarios are yet to be hypothesized, at least publicly.
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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby member_22539 » 28 Jan 2014 10:06

^Blah blah blah china kick India a$$, blah blah blah. To think this is actually considered analysis, pathetic.

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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

Postby raj.devan » 28 Jan 2014 18:51

Eh... The report says that the 'cold start' doctrine is 'now discarded'. When did that happen?

Last I knew our policy towards China was called 'active deterrence'. Is that still what it is, or has it changed?


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