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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby CRamS » 23 Aug 2011 00:27

Dipanker wrote:It will do nothing of that sort, just wait and watch. It will be in news for a few days, that's about it. This is not the first one in the news nor it will be last one either.

In the last 22 years around 30,000 - 35,000 terrorists have been killed, around 20,000 to 25,000 of them were Paki. Where do you think they are buried? You guessed it!

Most people can add 2 + 2.


shivajisisodia is right. India is not US or Israel or China to contemptuously dismiss these kind of embarassing reports. Plus, this report seems to have the blessings of the Indian govt. So as A-guptaJi pointed out, if indeed there was any wrongdoing, this may be MMS's way of trying to win the hearts and minds of KMs by showing that he takes their concerns seriously. Only problem, and a big one at that is TSP will use this to pummel the MMS and his dhothiwallahs in Delhi. TSP strategy is to keep the pot boling, so they are not going to sit by and see any kind of reapproachement between India and the valley KMs who hate India's guts. So this will become another tug of war between India & TSP. India will say that KMs' concerns and human rights abuses are being addressed, while TSP, at every step will use their valley puppets to rubbish India's efforts. And NYT will do equal equal.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby subodh » 23 Aug 2011 01:07

I am puzzled by this dhoti shivering over something the NYT has printed.

This is a paper that is barely keeping things together financially for itself, given its ever declining readership. The reson for that mostly is around their absurdly biased reporting - and they are really not taken that seriously anymore except among the echo chamber of the east coast limo-liberals.

The NYT has always been contemtously anti-India, the paki swine have always had a special place for us in their black hearts, and India has been raping and killing millions of people in Cashmere, with its 10 million occupier troops.

Who gives a fack what these useless 2bit @sshats think?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby CRamS » 23 Aug 2011 01:45

A_Gupta wrote:J&K is not Palestine (with Israel steadily eating up land, and economically isolating the Palestinians). J&K is not Chechnya, where a scorched earth policy was followed by the Russians. J&K is not Tibet or Uighuristan where massive demographic reengineering is being undertaken. J&K is not Balochistan from where resources are being extracted but development money is not poured in. J&K is not FATA where people have been left under British colonial laws, where the whole tribe including women, elderly and children can be punished for any transgression by any member of the tribe. J&K is a part of India, it faces the same problems as all of India does. If India's official record there is a cause for shame, so is the militancy and terrorism it had to face.


All fine and dandy boss, provided the Indian state can conjure up the conjunes to say so as boldly as you have. But the problem is that India has been unable to make its writ count among the big boys to show that the villian in J&K is TSP despite whatever India may or may not have done.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby A_Gupta » 23 Aug 2011 02:13

CRamS, I think it is understood among "the big boys". It was made explicit back when Kofi Annan said that the plebiscite is irrelevant. In any case it is not the "big boys" (and I don't concede that title to them) that India has to convince, it is the inhabitants of the Valley.

PS: As Subodh wrote, this is no occasion for dhoti-shivering.
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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby RajeshA » 23 Aug 2011 02:17

A_Gupta wrote:In any case it is not the "big boys" (and I don't concede that title to them) that India has to convince, it is the inhabitants of the Valley.

Destroy Pakistan, Kashmir will get solved by itself!

Na rahega baans, na bajegi bansuri!

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby CRamS » 23 Aug 2011 03:19

A_Gupta wrote:CRamS, I think it is understood among "the big boys". It was made explicit back when Kofi Annan said that the plebiscite is irrelevant. In any case it is not the "big boys" (and I don't concede that title to them) that India has to convince, it is the inhabitants of the Valley.

PS: As Subodh wrote, this is no occasion for dhoti-shivering.


Even TSP does not talk to much about plebiscite, but their goal of annexation of the valley is as obsessive as ever. And in this, they do have the support of the "big boys" couched as it is in the language of "borders are irrelevant" and "joint soverignty". Convincing the people of the valley is a futile exercise. Left to their vices, they know they are up against the Indian state and will easily adopt a more pragmatic approach. But it is TSP that must be persuaded to back off. And for either of this to succeed, India need the help and support of the "big boys". Or else India will have to force the issue with TSP.

No occasion for dhoti-shivering, but I would say cause for concern and potential for more blood shed.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby shivajisisodia » 23 Aug 2011 03:49

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/probe-all-valley-killings-in-past-21-years-omar/20110823.htm


This is a "friend" making this demand. Note that he does not ask for investigations into the Separatists like the Huriyat's involvement in terrorist violence or investigate their finances or their anti-national activities. Nor does Omaria talk about investigating who was responsible for driving out all the Kashmiri Pandits from the valley ?

Everytime something like this appears in the newspapers, the morale of all nationalists plummets and that of our enemies gets a boost. And all some people have to say about this is, "this is just noise", will have no real effect. Frankly, why am I condemned to listen to this "noise". I am getting rather sick of this "noise", literally. Excessive "noise" can kill.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby RajeshA » 23 Aug 2011 03:54

CRamS wrote:But it is TSP that must be persuaded to back off. And for either of this to succeed, India need the help and support of the "big boys". Or else India will have to force the issue with TSP.

No occasion for dhoti-shivering, but I would say cause for concern and potential for more blood shed.
The big boys can give weapons to TSPA, they can support Pakistan to preserve its unity formally, they can pour in money, they can allow Pakistan to retain their nukes, they can even influence India not to attack, but what they cannot control are the Islamist forces in Pakistan, or disgruntled ethnic groups or the total collapse of the Pakistani State into chaos.

That is the route we need to adopt to achieve our other goals in Pakistan, and force the 'big boys' hand in accepting the loss of Pakistan.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Dipanker » 23 Aug 2011 04:02

subodh wrote:I am puzzled by this dhoti shivering over something the NYT has printed.

This is a paper that is barely keeping things together financially for itself, given its ever declining readership. The reson for that mostly is around their absurdly biased reporting - and they are really not taken that seriously anymore except among the echo chamber of the east coast limo-liberals.

The NYT has always been contemtously anti-India, the paki swine have always had a special place for us in their black hearts, and India has been raping and killing millions of people in Cashmere, with its 10 million occupier troops.

Who gives a fack what these useless 2bit @sshats think?


+1

Western media has been anti-India way back from the cold war days and the hangover lingers on.
We didn't give crap then, we should not now.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby wig » 23 Aug 2011 09:28

Troops sound high alert - Baki forward posts directly involved in intrusion bids
Sources said the Pakistan Army wanted to give a clear message to the militants that it was making all out efforts to infiltrate the militants into this side but was finding it hard to do so.

They noted that intercepts indicated that the intrusion bids could go up in the next few days as a number of militants were still camping in forward posts of Pakistan Army opposite Mendhar, Krishna Ghat, Balakote, Keri, Sunderbani and Nowshera sectors of Rajouri and Poonch districts.


http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby vishvak » 23 Aug 2011 11:59

shivajisisodia wrote:http://www.rediff.com/news/report/probe-all-valley-killings-in-past-21-years-omar/20110823.htm


This is a "friend" making this demand. Note that he does not ask for investigations into the Separatists like the Huriyat's involvement in terrorist violence or investigate their finances or their anti-national activities. Nor does Omaria talk about investigating who was responsible for driving out all the Kashmiri Pandits from the valley ?

Everytime something like this appears in the newspapers, the morale of all nationalists plummets and that of our enemies gets a boost. And all some people have to say about this is, "this is just noise", will have no real effect. Frankly, why am I condemned to listen to this "noise". I am getting rather sick of this "noise", literally. Excessive "noise" can kill.


Are there any human rights groups for Kashmiri Pandits, too?

Won't these graves also have deadbodies of Kashmiri Pandits too?

How come the same media, that goes after Narendra Modi for 2002 riots, doesn't tell the man that it was his father that overlooked the entire ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby habal » 23 Aug 2011 12:06

Dipanker wrote:
subodh wrote:I am puzzled by this dhoti shivering over something the NYT has printed.

This is a paper that is barely keeping things together financially for itself, given its ever declining readership. The reson for that mostly is around their absurdly biased reporting - and they are really not taken that seriously anymore except among the echo chamber of the east coast limo-liberals.

The NYT has always been contemtously anti-India, the paki swine have always had a special place for us in their black hearts, and India has been raping and killing millions of people in Cashmere, with its 10 million occupier troops.

Who gives a fack what these useless 2bit @sshats think?


+1

Western media has been anti-India way back from the cold war days and the hangover lingers on.
We didn't give crap then, we should not now.


They are anti-India, Sri Lankans say that western media is anti-Sri Lanka, Pakistanis say it is anti-Pakistan. Western media is anti any country that is attempts to stand on it's feet. They never speak the truth if it harms intersts of the western axis countries or the western oligarchs.

It is just another tool used by western govts to unsettle countries and deploy sociological manipulation. In case of weak countries like Libya, they can even put in two articles, fake some video brutality and begin targeted airstrikes.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Lalmohan » 23 Aug 2011 12:45

ironically the al-guardian article on the J&K graves leads with atrocities committed by the terrorists and then only later mentions security forces

this story is not gaining momentum - simply because the western audience has no sympathy for the alleged victims any more

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby CRamS » 23 Aug 2011 22:05

Lalmohan wrote:ironically the al-guardian article on the J&K graves leads with atrocities committed by the terrorists and then only later mentions security forces

this story is not gaining momentum - simply because the western audience has no sympathy for the alleged victims any more


Link to al-guardian article? But for me, even equal equal means victory for TSP. And thats what it is in the western media, I haven't seen any change on that front. But talking of gaining momentum, lets wait and see how much TSP milks this. As of now, there haven't been any stone throwing or TSP ordered shut downs, hartals etc.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Rudradev » 24 Aug 2011 02:37

Received via Email.

Dear Friends.

A Maratha Light Infantry Battalion guarded our border well by exercising admirable vigil at Gurez(J&K) over the week end, killing 12 Militants who were being pushed in clandestinely by Pakistan. Mind you, it was just 9 militants who created chaos in Mumbai on 26/11 that brought great damage to the Nation and shook us. Hundreds of Crores have been spent by state and Central Govts and corporates who suffered or who intent to limit future risks, on various measures after 26/11.

But deeply painful is the fact that Lt Navdeep Singh, from Hoshiarpur an young officer just commissioned from Officer's Training Academy in March this year had to risk his life to kill maximum militants and finally had to sacrifice his own life for us, leading his small little team courageously from the front. Opening fire at the militants early would have resulted in many escaping into Pakistan after the first shot is heard. He allowed them to come very close controlling his fire with utter disregard for his life to kill maximum militants.
The saving he has done to the Nation in terms of lives, property and fear of the unknown is not quantifiable.


I did not see any report in Times of India(one with widest circulation) today on the Army Operation. It carried a small piece on the side yesterday when the operation was still on.
But was delighted to receive an young girl's passion penned down. She is Sarvar Bali a young budding journalist. Probably her article is unpublished yet. Please let this reach every patriotic Indian and let us all salute Lt Navdeep Singh while his mortal remains must still be in transit to his village in Hoshiarpur(HP).
Jai Hind

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The article follows:



LIEUTENANT DID YOU DIE IN VAIN?


I learnt about your demise from the ticker tape on one of the news channels, last evening. It was a big encounter and a very fierce one at that. A feeling of deep saddness enveloped me as I reflected on your youth which had been sacrificed in Gurez Sector,in the line of duty. What does your death mean?

By now your mortal body would be lying embalmed at the Base Hospital and will be flown out of Srinagar later in the day,on its final journey to the cremation ground in your native town or village.

You were too young to die,far too young! For whom and for what did you die then? This question haunted me last night and I will attempt to answer you.

You were probably from a village or a small town of India. You were perhaps the son of an army officer or JCO, or from an urban or rural civilian background. You could not be from one of the big cities where iron has entered the soul of our youth and where the only driving motivator is quest for money in the surreal environment of the corporate world.

Why did you join the army? Ofcourse to get a job. But than that is over simpliying the question. You were possibly motivated by the traditions in your family and clan,you were probably enthused by the sight of your elder brothers,uncles or other men from your community in uniform,you were perhaps enchanted by the cantonement life where you may have spent your growing years.

As your body comes home, you will not get the adulations from the Government which a soldier's body gets in the USA. Your name will not be read out in any obituary reference in Parliament,as is done in the UK for all soldiers who fall in combat in the line of duty.Your name will not be etched on any national memorial because we do not have one! Symbolically you will become the unknown soldier for the Nation, for whom the flame burns at India Gate, but your name will not be etched there.The names engraved on that monument are of the soldiers who died fighting for the British Indian Army and not those who have made the supreme sacrifice for independent India! Can it get more ironic?

But do not despair Lieutenant. Your comrades will do you proud! The seniormost officer will lead the homage that your brother officers will pay you before you leave the Valley of Kashmir one last time. Your unit representatives will escort your body home. You will be carried to the funeral pier draped in the flag for which you died fighting.The darkened and tearful eyes of your grief-stricken mother and the stoic figure of your father, benumbed by the enormity of this tragedy, will move even the most cynical.

I do not know Lieutenant at what stage of the encounter you fell, mortally wounded. But the fact that you were there on the lonely vigil across the Line of Control in Gurez, is enough to vouch for your valour. Your unit and formation commanders will see to it that you get the gallantry award which you so richly deserve. In due time your father or your mother will be presented the medal and parchment of your gallantry,which will be framed and find the pride of place in your home.Time will dull the bitterness of this tragic parting, which right now is the only feeling that engulfs your parents and siblings, in its enormity.

Lieutenant you were lucky. You did not live long enough to get married and leave behind a grieving widow. You did not live long enough to have children. For when they would have come of age you would have seen in them a cynicism towards the army for which you died. You will not see a young son who thinks his father is a hero and wants to follow his footsteps in joining the army only to be harshly disuaded by his mother (or even father!) from following a profession which ranks so low for the youth of our country. You were lucky not to serve long enough to see the army getting belittled . You did not live long enough to see the utter indifference and even disdain for the army. Like you a large number of valiant soldiers laid down their lives on the rocky heights of Kargil,fighting against self-imposed odds. Today it is not even felt fit to publicly commemorate the anniversary of that stupendous military victory,won by blood and gore,in a befitting
manner.

But do not despair Lieutenant. Your name will be etched for posterity in the annals of your Unit and your Regiment. A silver trophy with your name inscribed on it,will grace the centre table of the unit mess.You will also find your name in the unit Quarter Guard,where annual homage will also be paid to you.The war memorials at the Formation HQ where you served and at your Regimental Centre will proudly display your name for eternity.If you joined the Army through the NDA, your name will be written in the Hut of Remembrance through which each cadet will pass,paying homage before his Passing Out Parade.

There will be an obituary reference to you from your comrades in the papers, which will be flipped over by most but which will be read in detail by people who have a connect with those who wear or wore the uniform.

As your parents head into the evening of their life,memories of your valour will be their most precious possession. When ever your mother will think of you her eyes will mist over but there will be more stars in them than you ever wore on your shoulders.Your father may speak quietly about you but no one will miss the swell of pride in his chest. For your siblings you will always remain the real hero,and for that matter even for your community and village. A school or a road may well be named after you and you will become a part of the local folk-lore.

You died Lieutenant, because when the test came, you decided that you could not let down your family,your clan and your comrades, who always expected you,without ever saying so, to do your duty.You, Lieutanant, have done more than your duty and made your memory their hallowed possesion.

LIEUTENANT YOU DID NOT DIE IN VAIN!


- Sarvar Bali

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Airavat » 24 Aug 2011 06:29

Post your condolence messages here: Navdeep Singh - we salute you

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby arun » 25 Aug 2011 07:53

X Posted from the TSP thread.

The Kashmiri separatists do unto the Islamic Republic of Pakistan what the Islamic Republic of Pakistan habitually does to others which is to turn around and bite the hand that nutures them :lol: .

Dr. Shabir Choudhry:

Our struggle is on Pakistani side of the divide, Dr Shabir Choudhry

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby A_Gupta » 26 Aug 2011 09:02

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... 397403.ece
reproduced in full
(a banned organization can only have former members, no?)
A probe by the Lashkar-e-Taiba into the April killing of socio-religious leader Moulana Showkat Ahmed Shah has revealed that two of its former members are the culprits.

Interestingly, the police arrested soon after the crime Javed Munshi alias Bil Papa and Nissar Ahmad, now identified by the LeT. The police investigation, according to sources, revealed that the two were responsible for the murder of Moulana Showkat, head of the Jamiat.

The LeT report was released by the Jamiat-e-Ahle Hadees after a meeting of religious and political leaders here. Those who attended the meeting included Hurriyat Conference (moderate) chairman Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front chief Yasin Malik, Jamat-e-Islami leader Amir Sheikh Mohammad Hassan, Ittehadul Muslimeen chief Moulana Abbas Ansari and Islamic Study Circle chairman Yusuful Umar.

According to the LeT, its investigation was done on the basis of two reports, one from Abu Qatal, a detenu recently released from jail, and the other from the Hanzla Adnan Bhai, operational commander based in Muzaffarabad, and on the basis of an interview with Abdullah Unni, LeT commander in north Kashmir.

The LeT has concluded that Moulana Showkat was killed by Javed and Nissar without the consent of the outfit. Javed was hell-bent on killing the Moulana and also Mr. Yasin Malik, who according to him, were leaning towards India and “deserved to be killed.” The Lashkar has denied that the killing was approved by Unni; “instead, he asked him [Javed] not to do this when he broached the idea. But he escaped and did it.” Javed had “earlier told Qatal in jail that these two leaders were to be executed and he would contact Lashkar chief Hafiz Saeed in Pakistan and tell him that “no funeral should be allowed in their case,” said the LeT report.

Lashkar's Muzaffarabad commander Abu Adnan has revealed that Javed and Nissar were introduced to him by Abu Umair, chief of the Tehreekul Mujahideen (TuM) in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir. “They were very close to him and we supported them from time to time,” he has been quoted as saying. He told the “investigation team” that they used to send arms and ammunition to this group and at one point of time they had sent Rs. 1 lakh but “when asked to give accounts they said the explosives were purchased and they got destroyed.” A Jamiat spokesman said the TuM report would be released shortly.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Aditya_V » 26 Aug 2011 12:02

A_Gupta wrote:http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2397403.ece
reproduced in full
(a banned organization can only have former members, no?)
A probe by the Lashkar-e-Taiba into the April killing of socio-religious leader Moulana Showkat Ahmed Shah has revealed that two of its former members are the culprits.

Interestingly, the police arrested soon after the crime Javed Munshi alias Bil Papa and Nissar Ahmad, now identified by the LeT. The police investigation, according to sources, revealed that the two were responsible for the murder of Moulana Showkat, head of the Jamiat.

The LeT report was released by the Jamiat-e-Ahle Hadees after a meeting of religious and political leaders here. Those who attended the meeting included Hurriyat Conference (moderate) chairman Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front chief Yasin Malik, Jamat-e-Islami leader Amir Sheikh Mohammad Hassan, Ittehadul Muslimeen chief Moulana Abbas Ansari and Islamic Study Circle chairman Yusuful Umar.

According to the LeT, its investigation was done on the basis of two reports, one from Abu Qatal, a detenu recently released from jail, and the other from the Hanzla Adnan Bhai, operational commander based in Muzaffarabad, and on the basis of an interview with Abdullah Unni, LeT commander in north Kashmir.

The LeT has concluded that Moulana Showkat was killed by Javed and Nissar without the consent of the outfit. Javed was hell-bent on killing the Moulana and also Mr. Yasin Malik, who according to him, were leaning towards India and “deserved to be killed.” The Lashkar has denied that the killing was approved by Unni; “instead, he asked him [Javed] not to do this when he broached the idea. But he escaped and did it.” Javed had “earlier told Qatal in jail that these two leaders were to be executed and he would contact Lashkar chief Hafiz Saeed in Pakistan and tell him that “no funeral should be allowed in their case,” said the LeT report.

Lashkar's Muzaffarabad commander Abu Adnan has revealed that Javed and Nissar were introduced to him by Abu Umair, chief of the Tehreekul Mujahideen (TuM) in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir. “They were very close to him and we supported them from time to time,” he has been quoted as saying. He told the “investigation team” that they used to send arms and ammunition to this group and at one point of time they had sent Rs. 1 lakh but “when asked to give accounts they said the explosives were purchased and they got destroyed.” A Jamiat spokesman said the TuM report would be released shortly.


I hope all the hurri rats are subjected to this treatment, either openly worship in Public the L-E-T and activities or be killed.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby JE Menon » 26 Aug 2011 13:09

There's something fishy about this "LeT Report"...

Let me get this right. Is the case being made here that the LeT J&K's subsidiary conducted an internal investigation into the murder and found that it's own cadre carried out the killing? Are they saying this was a "rogue operation"? If so, this would be a precedent, and would suggest a new-found truthfullness on the part of LeT. I find it hard to take at face value.

More likely, the killing is having a negative impact on the ground on the LeT itself - from the bigoted general public, who would not have minded in the least if it was a Christian priest or Hindu religious figure - and there was a requirement to modulate public opinion back in their favour.

Unless I have not understood something right.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby anupmisra » 26 Aug 2011 16:36

JE Menon wrote:There's something fishy about this "LeT Report"...

Let me get this right. Is the case being made here that the LeT J&K's subsidiary conducted an internal investigation into the murder and found that it's own cadre carried out the killing? Are they saying this was a "rogue operation"? If so, this would be a precedent, and would suggest a new-found truthfullness on the part of LeT. I find it hard to take at face value.


By admitting that the killling was done by its ex-cadre (whatever that means in paki-LeT-ISI lingo), the LeT are saying that they are not behind this unsanctioned operation. It serves two purposes. One, anyone professing Kashmiri independence (from India/Pak) is subject to this treatment but it (the treatment) has no backing of the LeT. Two, by conducting an "internal investigation" and that too by someone recently "released from jail", LeT is pre-empting a similar conclusion by others in Kashmir. Thus, trying to project the image of an organized entity with its internal checks and balances. As the pakis are wont to saying "rouge" operations. this one smells like a pre-empting of coverup.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby sum » 26 Aug 2011 22:01

^^ So, now non-non-state actors are also in the scene?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby A_Gupta » 26 Aug 2011 23:13

http://www.kashmirprocess.org/reports/graves/toc.html
A 2009 report from a human rights group on graves in J&K.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby wig » 27 Aug 2011 09:28

an article in the tribune on some new legislation in J&K requiring Hindu couples to register their marriages. quite strange - in that there is no legislation with similar requirments for couples of other faiths
Smelling a conspiracy in the newly drafted proposed Hindu Marriage Registration Rules, the state unit of the BJP today said the proposed rules were framed only to harass a particular section of society.

Addressing a press conference here, spokesman of state BJP Ramesh Arora cautioned that the people of the state would have to face harassment, as the government had drafted another controversial Bill to discriminate against the people on the basis of religion as according to the proposed Bill, the registration of marriages had become compulsory.

“Every marriage will be registered under the purposed Rule 5 of the registration, as per the proposed Bill,” he pointed out adding, “Muslims and Christians are exempt as no rules have been framed for them.”

He further added that the power of registration was given to tehsildars and naib-tehsildars, whose offices were already known as hubs of corruption.

“If a Hindu from Bani in Kathua district marries in Paddar in Kishtwar district, he has to approach the local tehsildar,who can also refuse the registration,” Arora said.

He said the legislative power was used with a negative approach in the state.He added that the minorities’ benefits were extended to the majority community without any justification and explanation.

He appealed to the legislators to put pressure on the government to desist from the irresponsible approach.

Terming the present regime as one of the corrupt in the country, he said, “There is complete lawlessness in this state. Ruling elites are more concerned about centralising the power than decentralising it at the grass-roots level.”

“Under the garb of special status, the successive state governments did not allow any law to be enacted in the state,” he observed.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2011/20110827/j&k.htm#13

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Avinash R » 27 Aug 2011 10:10

abhijitm wrote:Over 2,000 found buried in Kashmir's unmarked graves
This is second anti-india news given by DNA in those many days.


A_Gupta wrote:Now in the New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/23/world ... shmir.html


Lalmohan wrote:Al Guardian


And.......


Rights panel denies claim over graves
Srinagar, Aug 23, DHNS:

In an important development the state human rights commission (SHRC) on Tuesday denied that it had admitted presence of unmarked graves in Kashmir or made recommendations to the state government for a probe.

A section in media had recently reported that SHRC had admitted to the presence of unmarked graves containing over 2,000 bodies at 38 sites in north Kashmir and that it had called for probe by an impartial agency in all disappearance cases in the state.

In a statement issued here on Tuesday, the secretary of the SHRC has said: “An impression has been created by the print media that the commission has given its recommendation or final report to the government with regard to the matter titled unmarked graves in North Kashmir but the same is pending disposal before the commission.”

He further added that the impression given was not correct. The matter was listed for hearing before the Division Bench of the commission on August 10.

The commission had directed for issuance of copy of inquiry report submitted by the SSP of the investigation wing of the commission to the parties for filing their rejoinder or further responses.”

Next hearing
He added that the next date of hearing in the matter has been fixed before the Division Bench of Justice Syed Bashir-ud-Din, chairperson of SHRC and Javid Ahmad Kawoos, member of the commission on September 16.

“It is being brought to the notice of the public at large that the said case is still pending adjudication before the commission. As yet no final finding/ recommendation/report has been issued or endorsed by the commission to the government,” the SHRC secretary has maintained

“The commission is to make appropriate recommendations and suggest actions to the government once the matter is fully
heard, considered and adjudicated by the commission in due course of law. This is to remove misconception on the subject,” he added.


NewYorkTimes, DNA and Guardian didnt take the trouble to publish the clarification, and the previous news article is being used by islamists on the web to whip up more violence

Dhimmi media and islamist terrorists, best friends for ever
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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Avinash R » 27 Aug 2011 10:16

A_Gupta wrote:http://www.kashmirprocess.org/reports/graves/toc.html
A 2009 report from a human rights group on graves in J&K.


Some of the authors of the said report
Angana Chatterji
Gautam Navlakha

After Fai expose, still wanna link to these FOR HIRE pseudo-intellectuals?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby A_Gupta » 27 Aug 2011 14:44

^^^^i don't understand link censorship. And if you don't know what they are saying, how does the lack of information help?


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Postby A_Gupta » 31 Aug 2011 00:57

Al-Jazeera's continued PR offensive
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/sp ... 51823.html

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Postby menon s » 31 Aug 2011 12:50

'Army uses heart as a weapon'
http://greaterkashmir.com/news/2011/Aug ... on--40.asp
After a successful Iftaar party at Baramulla, Army units spread across the Valley started hosting Iftaar parties in their respective areas. “Invitations were extended to locals, including traders, transporters, teachers, officials and others, personally by the officers and people also reciprocated the gesture by coming in large numbers,” the official said.
“Establishing personal contacts with people has bridged the gap to a great extent. The perception of people about soldiers is changing. They are slowly starting to realize that gun wielding soldiers are not a threat to them. It has projected the humane face of Army,” the official claimed.
“At many of the Iftaars Army officers joined their guests and relished food with them. Lt Gen Ata Hasnain’s gesture to mingle with his guests has made a big difference. Top Army officials following the footsteps of their Commander has contributed towards making Iftaar parties a big a success,” the official added.


An analyst wishing anonymity said, “Army this year has outsmarted everyone including the politicians. Their efforts have taken everyone by a surprise even their critics. It has been possible due to the sincere and relentless efforts of the force. We have seen soldiers exercising restraint and patience. Otherwise slight provocation used to lead to a major confrontation between the people and the soldiers. The GOC’s efforts have proved that a strong leadership can really make a difference. Small gestures like reducing the size of Army convoys, soldiers’ not carrying batons to chase whatever comes in their way, and much more have gone well with people. Let’s hope Army keeps the good work on.”


Three cheers to Gen. Hasnain. And if Greater Kashmir has to write this, then, its wonderful.

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Postby A_Gupta » 01 Sep 2011 17:00

On the cancellation of the Literary Festival
http://openthemagazine.com/article/arts ... -hypocrisy

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Hiten » 01 Sep 2011 17:18

an otherwise unremarkable & cliched article, but for the fact that Deccan Chronicle removed it. Why, I wonder?

Interlocutor suggests free movement
Jammu and Kashmir interlocutor M.M. Ansari has said that the border lines drawn between India and Pakistan can be made irrelevant by allowing free movement of men and material and expanding foreign trade and cultural relations between the two countries.

A month ahead of the submission of the interlocutors’ final report to the union home ministry, Mr Ansari said that the Jammu and Kashmir constitution clearly says that the state is and shall remain an integral part of India.
“So that mechanism is already available within the democratic framework of the constitution of J&K. The Kashmir issue has been complicated by pulls and pressures of politics of mainstream and offstream parties,” he said, speaking exclusively to this newspaper. With parts of Jammu and Kashmir in control of neighbouring countries like Pakistan and China which are unlikely to vacate the occupied territory to take the pre-1947 position, Mr Ansari pointed out that a negotiational settlement has to be worked out.
“So till the time we reach a settlement , what we can try is treat the LoC as a mere line on the map and allow people to move as freely as possible. In this way, the emotional loss due to separation of families who suffered due to partition can be taken care of,” he noted.
The J&K interlocutor said the panel will try to meet the Hurriyat leaders who have refused to participate in the deliberations so far during their forthcoming visit.
He said contrary to popular opinion, the demands of the Hurriyat and other separatist leaders such as de-militarisation of J&K, withdrawal of AFSPA, concerns of human rights violation are justified and can be resolved under the peace settlement.


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http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels ... vement-682


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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby abhishek_sharma » 03 Sep 2011 08:09

Aren't you glad we asked Fai-sponsored people to write this report? Like Sachar-committee report (another gift from Fai), this will become an albatross around our neck.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby menon s » 03 Sep 2011 12:28

The Kashmir Walahs-- wikileaks cable. See complete bios of everyone involved.
http://www.wikileaks.ch/cable/2005/06/0 ... I4300.html

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby SSridhar » 03 Sep 2011 16:38

^ A very interesting read. Meticulously compiled. Almost everyone is open to contacts with the US embassy and no one seems to have 'violated the ground rules' of the US embassy, whatever that might mean.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby sum » 03 Sep 2011 22:04

From the bio of our interlocutor,Ms.Radha Kumar:
She has sought (and not received) Embassy financial support for numerous seminars she has held on the Kashmir issue, in Delhi, Jammu, and Srinagar.

Why does she keep going asking for US money for a seminar being held within India?

no one seems to have 'violated the ground rules' of the US embassy, whatever that might mean.

Really curious as to what this is since the ground rules seem to appear only in context of a few people in whole list!



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