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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby krishnan » 25 Jun 2013 11:53

12:14 PM Terrorists will not succeed in their designs: PM: A day after the militant strike in Srinagar left eight soldiers dead, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh today said the entire country is standing united against terrorists and they will not succeed in their designs.

"I want to pay my tributes to the soldiers who laid down their lives while fighting the terrorists," Singh said in his speech after inaugurating 850 MW Rattle power project here along with UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi. The Prime Minister said the entire country is standing united against the terrorists.

"The terrorists will not succeed in their designs." Security is a pre-requisite for development, the Prime Minister said as he paid tributes to the soldiers killed in militant strike yesterday, asserting such attacks would not deter efforts to bring normalcy in the state.

Gandhi also condoled the death of army personnel in the militant attack. "Our analysis is that the security situation in Jammu and Kashmir has shown considerable improvement. The terrorist- related violence in 2012 had shown a sharp decline and was the lowest in last two decades," the Prime Minister said. However, Singh said there was a need to keep a constant vigil to prevent attacks like the one that took place yesterday at Hyderpora.


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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby prahaar » 25 Jun 2013 13:05

Is the attack on our troops related to Kerry visit? Is it back to 90s dynamics aka pre-911 situation? Every US SD visit will be accompanied with "show of presence" from the rats? This only demonstrates that the policy of reliance on US to reign in Pakistan sponsored terror has failed. US has not learnt anything from 911 (or there are far greater geo-strategic compulsions which over ride the potential danger to American lives).

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby habal » 25 Jun 2013 13:16

krishnan wrote:
12:14 PM Terrorists will not succeed in their designs: PM: A day after the militant strike in Srinagar left eight soldiers dead, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh today said the entire country is standing united against terrorists and they will not succeed in their designs.

"I want to pay my tributes to the soldiers who laid down their lives while fighting the terrorists," Singh said in his speech after inaugurating 850 MW Rattle power project here along with UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi. The Prime Minister said the entire country is standing united against the terrorists.

"The terrorists will not succeed in their designs." Security is a pre-requisite for development, the Prime Minister said as he paid tributes to the soldiers killed in militant strike yesterday, asserting such attacks would not deter efforts to bring normalcy in the state.


Gandhi also condoled the death of army personnel in the militant attack. "Our analysis is that the security situation in Jammu and Kashmir has shown considerable improvement. The terrorist- related violence in 2012 had shown a sharp decline and was the lowest in last two decades," the Prime Minister said. However, Singh said there was a need to keep a constant vigil to prevent attacks like the one that took place yesterday at Hyderpora.




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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby vinod » 25 Jun 2013 13:30

I guess now that Afghan war is won and US is looking for a way out, Pak would like to bring up Kashmir again. Get US to pressurise India, so that Pak gives them smooth access through their pak-land. So, the fears are coming true for India. As US leaves, we will be at the receiving end of terrorism.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby ramana » 26 Jun 2013 21:42

Guess the next terrorist attack will be on the Amarnath pilgrimage.

Instead of condoling the deaths of unarmed servicemen ambushed by terrorists, the PM should have decreed that the troops will be armed in disturbed areas.


But then his buddy Omar Abdullah will cry fowl like a chicken.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby RoyG » 27 Jun 2013 00:13

Wife of one of the jawans committed suicide. Are counseling services offered to the families? Can't imagine the suffering she went through. What a shame. This was a big blow to our security forces and the PM has done nothing to boost moral or given assurances to provide additional protection to our troops. He can't even give a stern message to the Islamists (armed and unarmed) in the valley. Pakistan is going to have a field day in Kashmir if UPA wins the election.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby RajeshG » 27 Jun 2013 09:44

When I used to go in NCC camps, I vaguely remember getting insured. Do the jawans get automatically insured ? When jawans get posted to conflict zones does the insurance amount increase ?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby SSridhar » 03 Jul 2013 17:50

From NightWatch dated July 2, 2013

India-Jammu and Kashmir State: The Jammu Daily Excelsior newspaper published an article that related details of the financing channels used by Kashmir Muslim militants to finance their insurgency in the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir. The article is based on official accounts of the interrogation of a captured Kashmiri financier. "In a major success, police today established that the Kashmir militancy was being funded from Saudi Arabia, utilizing several money transfer channels. Authorities arrested a surrendered militant, who had so far distributed about $34,000 in Rupees among the militants of Jammu and Kashmir. The money was transferred via the hawala money system from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and other foreign countries and deposited in an account in the State Bank of India (SBI). The distributor would withdraw the deposited amount, keep some of it and distribute the rest to the militants and the separatists for funding attacks. Contacts in Pakistan were said to be instrumental in arranging the transfer of funds from the Persian Gulf and other nations to the separatists and militants in Jammu and Kashmir. Comment: The interrogation contained no surprises. Nevertheless, Indian authorities have had difficulty breaking into the money transfer system that funds the low level insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir. The system is outside modern international banking channels. It is an alternative international money transfer system that is based on a huge network of money brokers. Each transfer is based on personal recognizance and trust. This is also the basis of its high security. Transfers are impossible to trace without penetrating specific nodes in the network. The financiers were not fighters, though in this case they had been at one time. The amounts are not large enough to attract attention, but in context have significant local impact. Jammu and Kashmir is one of India's poorest states.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby ramana » 03 Jul 2013 20:28

SSridhar wrote:From NightWatch dated July 2, 2013

India-Jammu and Kashmir State: The Jammu Daily Excelsior newspaper published an article that related details of the financing channels used by Kashmir Muslim militants to finance their insurgency in the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir. .......

The money was transferred via the hawala money system from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and other foreign countries and deposited in an account in the State Bank of India (SBI). The distributor would withdraw the deposited amount, keep some of it and distribute the rest to the militants and the separatists for funding attacks. Contacts in Pakistan were said to be instrumental in arranging the transfer of funds from the Persian Gulf and other nations to the separatists and militants in Jammu and Kashmir. ......

Jammu and Kashmir is one of India's poorest states.



The above two points caught my attention. The fact is even though it was hawala channels were used to funnel the money, it is through a legitimate bank account with State Bank of India that the money was finally disbursed. Most SBI branches know their account holders very well. It is interesting that multiple deposits from abroad didn't trigger an alert in the SBI branch manager's mind. So what is wrong with this picture?

The second point that J&K is one of the poorest states. WOuld like Jamwal or others complie a list of the total GOI funds to J&K over the ast 30 years.

I suspect the GOI funds is bakseesh to the politicians and line their bank accounts.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Lalmohan » 03 Jul 2013 21:20

it would be rupee cash deposits into SBI - hence will not raise any eyebrows

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby svinayak » 03 Jul 2013 21:35

They can put a trace only on the J&K banks for years and keep a track on all account holders.
Since only Indian rupee will be used the entire moeny supply can be controlled by the state


Looks like they are allowing so that they can keep track

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby anupmisra » 03 Jul 2013 22:40

Acharya wrote:They can put a trace only on the J&K banks for years and keep a track on all account holders.
Since only Indian rupee will be used the entire moeny supply can be controlled by the state. Looks like they are allowing so that they can keep track


The skeptical in me thinks that this $34,000 transfer of funding for the terrorists via SBI is a red herring. It was meant to be traced and detected. The saudis are too smart to use a system that is under the scope of every international crime fighting body.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby jamwal » 04 Jul 2013 02:23

Indian government is bleeding 100s of crores every year on various money distribution schemes. It's very easy to lose track intentionally or otherwise when there is so much money passing through. It could be a trap as some members have suggested, but we'll never know. 17-18 lakhs in't a big amount these days anyway.

By the way, J&K being one of the poorest states, thus being susceptible to terrorism is unadulterated BS. When terrorism started, J&K had above average per capita incomes. Kashmir itself was richer than Jammu and Laddakh combined due to tourism and Kashmiri talent for making 'good deals' with customers. Anyone in tourism business will know what am I talking about. Even now, the guys involved in tourism are virtually looting hapless pilgrims and dumb tourists.

It's really difficult for me to collect reliable figures. The amount of aid packages released very year starting from giving money to surrendered terrorists, aid to fruit growers who were too busy pelting stones to harvest their crops, aid for expenses related to army's presence, reconstruction and what not is enough to keep a small army of accountants busy for weeks. Last that I heard of it, upto 70% of state's budget was dependent on central grants in one way or the other.


Here is one map which is of limited use in comparing per capita income of states from 1999-2000 http://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/india/p ... income.htm

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby abhishek_sharma » 04 Jul 2013 02:30

>> It is interesting that multiple deposits from abroad didn't trigger an alert in the SBI branch manager's mind.

When there is a SWIFT transfer from abroad to an Indian account, the manager asks the receiving account holder for a written statement that the money is "clean". This only happens for the first transfer. For subsequent transfers, the receiver-sender pair is considered clean. (Only valid for small transfers. Not sure what happens when you transfer crores of rupees.)

There was a report that the GoI spends significantly more (per-capita) on J&K than on states like Bihar.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby abhishek_sharma » 04 Jul 2013 02:39

J&K's dependency on Centre alarming

In 2009-10, J&K received Rs 13,252 crore as grants from the Centre, which constitutes nearly 60% of the state's total expenditure.


For over a decade, from 1994-95 to 2005-06, the state received 10-12% of all grants disbursed by the central government to the states. In 2009-10, this proportion had dipped slightly to about 8%. This is way above J&K's share of India's population, which is a mere 1%.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

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From MHA report http://mha.nic.in/pdfs/ar(e)1011.pdf

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Prem » 06 Jul 2013 06:55

Vacuum in Kashmir
A. G=adha
The Old Green Snake , May he Live Long Dying Every Minute

Nonetheless, there is some tangible achievement, though in the shape of a rail link “within Kashmir rather than to Kashmir”. But the gains of the prime minister’s policies on Kashmir are far more slender. This is a pity because it is accepted at all hands that he is sincere and is eager to break the deadlock. All the more worrying, then, was the total absence of any policy announcement during his two-day trip to Srinagar.is silence can only mean that he will take no initiative before the polls due in 2014. As has been the norm for 25 years, there was a complete shutdown in the Valley during the prime minister’s visit. On the day before, eight soldiers were killed and a dozen others were injured in a Hizbul Mujahideen attack in Srinagar to signify that militancy is not dead.
He is in office but he is not in power. He has been overruled on every single issue — revocation of the Armed Forces Special Powers Act; restoration of Kashmir’s autonomy; return of lands grabbed by the army; rehabilitation of surrendered militants, etc. He has repeatedly asserted that economic advance alone will not satisfy the people.In October 2009 he had said at Anantnag in the presence of Dr Manmohan Singh, “the youth of Kashmir didn’t pick up the gun 21 years ago for money,( Then why not stop taking money from center) but for political reasons”. In July 2010 he was more explicit: “The cure of the Kashmir issue lies in politics; it’s not about jobs, roads, bridges and governance. The centre has to find a solution through meaningful talks.”In the three years that elapsed since he spoke as he did, militancy declined further still; but there is not the slightest sign of any political effort at conciliation. Frustrated by repression, angered by mistreatment at the hands of the police, within as well as outside Kashmir, humiliated by the centre’s apathy, Kashmir’s youth seems once again to be ready to take up the gun. This time the lead is taken by the well-educated. If this trend continues the leaders’ movement will no longer be able to restrain and control the young. ( A very good chance to eliminate all the troble maker miscreants)Riyaz Wani’s recent report in the weekly Tehelka is alarming and bears quotation in extenso: “A clutch of youth between 18 and 25 years of age, relatively well-educated and from middle-class families, are consciously joining jihad and redrawing the militant landscape of the Valley. …‘They don’t cross the Line of Control to get training. They get a gun or snatch it from security personnel or policemen and learn to operate it,’ says a police officer. ‘Some of them join militancy seeking thrills and a sense of importance and belonging in their lives.’ In contrast to the past few years, when they preferred to lie low, militants in Kashmir are now going on the offensive. …They are technologically savvy and use Internet-based communication software that defy easy interception and surveillance like Viber, Kakao Talk, Skype and other Voice over Internet Protocol … technologies.”he police estimate the strength of the militants to be 133; the army pegs it at 325. Avenues of protests are shut. ‘Interlocutors’ sent by New Delhi since 2001 failed miserably because none had anything to offer on behalf of the government

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby abhishek_sharma » 06 Jul 2013 07:22

A G. Noorani has written two volumes on the Kashmir "dispute". It should be useful for kindling.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby member_19686 » 06 Jul 2013 17:33

Tharoor speaks Pakistan’s language

By Niticentral Staff on July 6, 2013

Shashi Tharoor, currently Minister of State for Human Resource Development in the Congress-led UPA Government, in a TV discussion on PTV held some time in 2012, made a curious observation about the state of affairs that prevailed in Kashmir at the time when Hindus were being uprooted from their homes by radical Islamists.

Holding ‘BJP’s policies’ responsible for the exodus of Kashmiri Hindus, Tharoor lends credibility to his co-panelist Naseem Zehra saying that “it was the BJP’s policy to remove the pandits from Kashmir” by saying in agreement that “it was a terrible policy”.



Here is that particular part of the conversation transcribed:

Shashi Tharoor: “My wife is a Kashmiri Pandit, She grew up in the (Kashmir) Valley. And her 200-year-old home was burned down by terrorists, certainly not by her neighbours who she grew up with… but by people who came across the border”.
Naseem Zehra interrupts: “but you know that the BJP’s policy… that was BJP’s policy to remove the pandits from the (Kashmir) Valley….”.
Shashi Tharoor agrees: “I think it was a terrible policy and she and I would agree on that…”
Click here to view the full programme.

How can a well-informed Congress member, a Minister no less, stoop so low to agree with a Pakistani that the BJP “removed” Kashmiri Pandits from their ancestral home in Jammu & Kashmir? Can BJP-phobia get any worse?

How can Tharoor, a former Minister of State for External Affairs, try to whitewash over the fact that it was Islamist terrorism that ethnically cleansed Kashmiri Pandits out of their homes with such a stupid ‘BJP policy’ conspiracy theory? Was BJP in power when Benazir Bhutto instigated this ethnic cleansing?



Each lie that we allow to pass unquestioned, weakens India’s position on international forums and as a result, compromises our ability to hold our own in conversations dealing with terrorism, cultural conflicts, and diplomatic disagreements.

The kind of cosy chats on national importance that people like Tharoor often find themselves in, need to be handled with more care than this.

http://www.niticentral.com/2013/07/06/t ... 00168.html

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby CRamS » 06 Jul 2013 18:30

What Abdul Gaddar Noorani and assorted Jihadis in Mufti won't tell you for obvious reasons is that there is no political movement because there is no common meeting ground. The Muslims in the valley want nothing sort of joining their TSP brothers. So what is there to talk about in any so called political process?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

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CRamS wrote:What Abdul Gaddar Noorani and assorted Jihadis in Mufti won't tell you for obvious reasons is that there is no political movement because there is no common meeting ground. The Muslims in the valley want nothing sort of joining their TSP brothers. So what is there to talk about in any so called political process?


I can tell you CRamS that lot of KM would be absolutely delighted to join TSP. I think we should not be burying our head in the sand if we think that most of the KM's in Valley would NOT sign up for Pakistan if given an opportunity. Otherwise what is reason d'etre of terrorism in J&K by KM's atleast.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby jamwal » 19 Jul 2013 01:02

These Kashmiri muslims really don't have anything better to do.
On Monday the inbreeding morons were protesting deaths of 2 KM men who died somewhere else in India due to whatever reasons.. :roll: Now a mob attacked a BSF camp (probably unrelated incident) in Ramban and 4 of the pious momeens managed to grab their 72. More protests and curfew imposed in most parts of Kashmir.

Congratulations retards. You just started f*cking yourselves in the peak tourist season again.
Curfew imposed in Ramban district after violent protests
Curfew was imposed tonight in Ramban district of Jammu and Kashmir following violent protests and resultant firing in which 4 persons were killed and 44 injured after a mob attacked a BSF camp.


The link says just in Ramban, but according to locals, most of Kashmir will be affected.



Raina sahib

I don't think so. These guys hate India for being a Hindu majority, but their infatuation with Pakisatan is more or less over. There are some who will not mind a merger with Pakis, but they are in minority.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby member_26255 » 19 Jul 2013 04:11

VikasRaina wrote:I can tell you CRamS that lot of KM would be absolutely delighted to join TSP. I think we should not be burying our head in the sand if we think that most of the KM's in Valley would NOT sign up for Pakistan if given an opportunity. Otherwise what is reason d'etre of terrorism in J&K by KM's atleast.



1.I don't think Kashmiri Shias and Ahmedi's (if any) would be interested in joining TSP, knowing well the condition of their ilk
across the border. I recall Aditya Raj Kaul remarks in a debate show that only Kashmiri Sunnis are in favor of cessation from India.

2.There was a report released a month back or so which depicted that the terrorists who have been sent to their 72 or captured
in Kashmir mostly hail from TSP Punjab(LeT). The KM's may be involved in some protests and stone pelting, but I am not so sure whether they have the guts now to go against the IA as Fidayeen.

Gurus can correct me IIW.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby KJo » 19 Jul 2013 04:38

jamwal wrote:Congratulations retards. You just started f*cking yourselves in the peak tourist season again.


If these people had brains, they would not have GUBO'ed to the invader and adopted their filthy barbaric ways.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby member_26255 » 19 Jul 2013 04:45

KJoishy wrote:
jamwal wrote:Congratulations retards. You just started f*cking yourselves in the peak tourist season again.


If these people had brains, they would not have GUBO'ed to the invader and adopted their filthy barbaric ways.


I don't really understand why would they storm the BSF camp even if they staunchly believe in 1:10 ratio. Did they
think BSF would be unarmed like the CRPF?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby SSridhar » 19 Jul 2013 14:02

From Nightwatch for the night of July 18

India-Jammu and Kashmir State: Troopers from a Border Security Force battalion fired on demonstrators in the Ramban District of Kashmir. They killed four locals and injured up to 40.

Comment: Ramban District lies in the west central region of the state. It does not border Pakistani Kashmir and is not a usual location for security incidents. It is not a hotbed of Kashmiri militants. That makes this an unusual incident and worth review. There are conflicting explanations about the reason for the clash. They agree that a local Muslim preacher incited an attack on the camp of the Border Security Forces by accusing the security forces of having committed a sacrilege. The most significant development in Ramban in many years is the construction of a railroad line through the district as part of the national transportation project to link by rail Srinagar in northern Kashmir to Jammu in southern Kashmir and Indian national railways. The Border Security Force battalion is in Ramban to provide security for the rail construction. The protest appears to have arisen from an excess of zeal during Ramadan. The shooting appears to have arisen from rules of engagement that authorize the Border Security Forces to use overwhelming force to ensure the safety of workers and the security of the railroad project. Indian authorities have little tolerance for Hindu or Muslim preachers who incite violence.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby CRamS » 19 Jul 2013 15:16

VikasRaina

I agree. A single typo in my original e-mail completely changed what I wanted to convey. I meant to say: "The Muslims in the valley want nothing short of joining their TSP brothers" instead of "The Muslims in the valley want nothing sort of joining their TSP brothers" :-).

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Aditya_V » 19 Jul 2013 16:17

Surasena->

Cant believe what Shashi Tharoor said and even more importantly, the Indian media has allowedhim to get away with what essentially being said is the propaganda of ISI

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby jamwal » 19 Jul 2013 17:23

Shouldn't CISF be guarding the railway line instead of BSF ? BTW, it's nice to know that the cretins got their just deserts.


http://www.dnaindia.com/india/1862876/r ... ofessional
Paramilitary forces fired at a crowd of protestors who were reportedly protesting over reports that BSF troops had desecrated the Quran, a charge that the BSF vehemently denies.


These people are same on both sides of the border. India should learn from what China is doing in Tibet.

agastya

AFAIK, majority in Ramban are not Sunnis. The article you mention was good but was a bit too positive of the Shia elements. Even in the regions where Shia are in majority, terrorism was quite serious. I'm not 100% aware of the sectarian affiliations of local terrorists, but saying that Shias will be less rabid is not quite right, IMHO
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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby prahaar » 19 Jul 2013 17:28

There is a regular and cyclic pattern: Some mullah alleges desecration->Protests/Violence against the supposed offenders->Police action to control the situation->People dead and injured->Protest/Violence spreads.

The whole thing is so repetitive that I hope our government machinery has created a Markov model to simulate these situations. This time (according to some link on twitter) had a photo of an alleged desecration of the book which was 4 months old and somewhere else in the world.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby hulaku » 20 Jul 2013 14:41

Well the Shias of Kashmir are as rabid as their bretheren Sunnis.

Case in point is Moulvi Abbass Ansari who is a part of the Hurriyat. There are others like Moulvi Iftekar Hussain Ansari who is now in the PDP. In fact last year I witnessed a smally rally somewhere around Magam while on my way to Gulmarg where these Shias were carrying posters of Khomeni sahab and chanting anti US and anti Israeli slogans for reasons I could not comprehend. I asked the driver and he said O they are Shias and gave a snide smile (he was a pukka Sunni).

Moulvi Iftekar Hussain Ansari is the lifetime president of the Shia Association and he owns big business like Ansari Motors. Infact during my school days in Kashmir there were only two Mercedes cars in Srinagar and both belong to Ansari sahib. He has been targetted a couple of times by the militants but has so far managed to survive.

The Shias of Kargil are another story all together. They do not like Pakistan but that does not necessarily mean they like India.

Followers of Malsi work in mysterious ways.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Lilo » 20 Jul 2013 15:50

hulaku wrote:Well the Shias of Kashmir are as rabid as their bretheren Sunnis.

...............

The Shias of Kargil are another story all together. They do not like Pakistan but that does not necessarily mean they like India.

Followers of Malsi work in mysterious ways.


Hulaku ji,
Nothing mystery vishtery here..
Malsi followers, especially neoconverts , be it Sunni or Shia hate themselves because they dont know what they are. Their hate for the "other" is just an extension of their hate for themselves.
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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby chetak » 20 Jul 2013 16:13

agastya wrote:
KJoishy wrote:{quote="jamwal"}
Congratulations retards. You just started f*cking yourselves in the peak tourist season again. {/quote}

If these people had brains, they would not have GUBO'ed to the invader and adopted their filthy barbaric ways.


I don't really understand why would they storm the BSF camp even if they staunchly believe in 1:10 ratio. Did they
think BSF would be unarmed like the CRPF?


RIOT 101.

In any situation like this anywhere in the country,the immediate and actual objective is to provoke fire and precipitate deaths. Once some rioters have died, the reason for the riot becomes secondary and the death of the rioter serves to fuel further anger and protests.

In this case the ongoing Amanath yathra is most likely the target. They want to either stop it or disrupt it.

It gives omar something else to do other than bonking television anchors.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby member_19686 » 23 Jul 2013 06:57

A Sayyid kills a Kashmirian yogin

The Kashmirian brAhmaNa jonarAja wrote a rAjataraMgiNi describe the rule of various Moslem tyrants in Kashmira after the end of Hindu rule. He is rather laudatory in his description of the Sultan Zayn al Abidin (reign 1418-1470 CE), who is described as being rather pro-Hindu and non-iconoclastic. However, this did not mean that mayhem did not occur in his reign. The incident we present below from jonarAja’s memoir has reverberations in the incidents that have happened even in the last 25 years even as the marUnmatta assault is aided and abetted by the mlechCha-s and chIna-s.

makka-deshAgato jAtu pustakADambaraM vahan |
saidAla-nAmA yavano rAjendraM tam upAgatam ||
A Mohammedan named alI the Sayyid who came from the Mecca country, carrying ever-empty verbose texts (i.e. the rAkShasa-pustaka and the recollections of the Adyunmatta) approached the sulTAn (Zayn al Abidin).

guNAn vikatthamAnaM taM guNirAgI nareshvaraH |
upAgachChat pratidinaM darshanAyetaro yathA ||
As he proudly declared his ancestry (i.e. from the Adyunmatta), the sulTAn, attracted by endowed men, went to see him every day as if he was the Sayyid, and the Sayyid was the ruler.

sa tasya paTahasyeva rAjApashyat kramAd asau |
antaH sAravihInatvaM parIkShAyAM vichakShaNaH ||
In due course the discerning sulTAn realized by examining [the Sayyid] that the Sayyid was bereft of substance as an empty kettle-drum (That is he was all talk with little substance).

mlechCha-maskariNi kShoNiprANesho nirguNe .api saH |
premANaM nAmuchat putre piteva karuNArNavaH ||
Even though the Mohammedan godman was without merits, the ruler of the land, an ocean of compassion, did not take away his kindness to him like a father from his son.

pradoShasyeva tamasAM durghanasyeva vidyutAm |
doShANAM bahutA tasya prajAH samudavejayat ||
His many vices the bothered the people, as the darkness of the evening hour or the lighting flashes from a dark cloud.

tasminn avasare kashchid yogirAjo jitendriyaH |
nyavikShatonnate stambhe yogAbhyAsasya siddhaye ||
At that time a certain, master of yoga who had controlled his senses sat down on a tall pillar to perfect his yoga practice.

stambhopari navAhAni nirAhAram apashyataH |
tasyAshiShaiva mahiShI rAj~naH putram ajIjanat ||
He [performed yoga] atop the pillar for nine days not bothered by his abstinence from food. Indeed by his blessings the bIbI gave birth to a son.

tapasyatas tathA tasya tatra tan navamaM dinam |
rAj~nas tv anavamaM putra-janma-kAla-mahotsavaiH ||
This ninth day of the yogin’s tapasya there [ atop the post] was indeed however, a day of great celebration for the sulTAn on the occasion of his son’s birth.

hemantAnte patati tuhinaM phAlguNe valgu valgad |
dIpasyApi sphurati sutarAM shAntikAle .atidAhaH ||
At the end of the cold season in the phAlguNa month the snowflakes dance beautifully,
a lovely dance. Just before a lamp dies out it flares up greatly. A sudden cold

shaityodreko vahati vahati grIShmakAle tuShAraM
vastu prAyaH prathayati nijaM dharmam AyAti nAshe ||
The coming of a cold wave during summer brings snow. When destruction is coming, things commonly display their innate intuition [for catastrophe].

tapaH kavacham aspR^iShTvA tam adho mArgaNair gatam |
prahartur iva nirdeShTuM bhaviShyantIM tathA gatim ||
Avoiding contact with the yogin, whose armor was his tapasya, he [the Sayyid] went below, and stationed himself aiming to assail [the yogin].

rAjamAnyaM tam Alokya kupyantaM shAnta-mAnasaH |
nirNayAd achalad varNI nayAn na tu bhayodayAt ||
[The yogin] of controlled mind saw the frenzied Sayyid who was honored by the sulTAn. Then out of prudence the yogin acted; but certainly not from fear [of the Mohammadan].

sa stambhAn na mahAdhairyAd avArohan mahAmanAH |
naivArohaj jagad dR^iShTiM sadyo dyAm api yogavit ||
This high-minded yogin did not descend from the pillar due to his great courage. Nor did he ascend to heaven, from where he could see the world.

atithiM yogapathikaM mA vadhIr mAm iti bruvan |
mlechChamaskariNA varNI khaDga-ghAtair achUrNyata ||
“I am a guest traveling on the yoga path, do not kill me!” he said. But the Mohammedan godman hacked him into pieces with strikes of his sword.

aty artha-darshana-dveShAn madirA-mada-mohitaH |
sa mlechCha-sahito yogirAjaM tam avadhIch CharaiH ||
Intoxicated by the liquor of hate towards what he saw [the yogin] the Mohammedans who accompanied him [Sayyid] struck the yoga-master with arrows.


saMtaptair malinaiH sthUlair janAnAM tad vilokanAt |
bhUtale patitaM vAShpair apavAdaish cha rAjani ||
Having seen that [the killing of the yogin] people shed hot, stained, heavy tears on the ground, conveying with that their censure to the sulTAn.

pR^ithvI-nAtho .atha tach ChrutvA shuddhy artham iva magnavAn |
bhI-hrI-shoka-krudhAshcharya-kR^itya-chintArNaveShu saH ||
Having heard of that the lord of the land as if to purify himself, dipped himself into an ocean of fear, shame, sorrow, anger, bewilderment and brooding over what to do.

prathamodbhUta putre .api tasminn ahni mahIbhujA |
nAsnAyi nAbhyavAhAri na vyavAhAri nAkathi ||
Even though it was the day his first son was born, the ruler of the land did not bath, eating, hold court or talk.

anyedyur bhUpatiH pR^iShTa-smR^iti-j~na-gurukovidaH |
hantur daNDaM vadhaM shR^iNvan karuNAyantrito .abhavat ||
On the next day, when he was told by his learned guru-s who knew the smR^iti-s that [the Sayyid] had to be sentenced to death he was overcome with compassion.

pratIpaM kharam Aropya pratihaTTaM paribhramam |
nara-mUtrAbhiShiktasya kUrchasya parikartanam ||
As punishment he sentenced the Sayyid to be seated on a donkey and paraded around the market place. Human urine was poured on him and he was shaved of completely.

ShThIvanaM sarvalokAnAM pretAntrair bAhubandhanam |
jIvan-maraNam AdikShad daNDaM tasya kR^ishAyateH ||
Everyone was to spit on him and he was tied up with the entrails of corpse. Thus, it was to be a bad fate of living death for him.

rAjani mlAni-hInAni dik-saugandhya-vahAni cha |
apatan nAka-puShpANi paurAshIr-vachanAni cha ||
Then heavenly flowers, unwilting carrying fragrances from all corners showered on the sulTan and also the praise of the people.

There are some things one could read between the lines:
1) The Sayyid though very empty was greatly honored by the sulTAn. The excessive honoring of sharifs by Indian sulTans in the pre-Mogol period has been noted in other cases too (example Mohammad ibn Tughlaq placing himself at the foot of Sayyid). They obviously held a tremendous prestige to the point that the Turkic sultans prostrated themselves before these Arabs. This account shows that Zayn was very much taken in by the prestige of this Arab despite his Hinduizing tendencies.
2) Ultimately, there is no real safety for Hindus under Mohammedan rule, however, pro-Hindu he might be a Hindu might be murdered as long as there are blood thirsty Meccans around. The sulTan took the murder of the yogin by the Mohammedans seriously enough to punish the Sayyid strongly. Yet this and other actions of his [footnote 1] do not mean in any way that even a “good” Mohammadan rule is a safety net for Hindus. For after all his successors can restore true Mohammedanism even if he does not.

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Footnote 1
jonarAja says:
hindavaH sUha-bhaTTena balAd ye pIDitA bhR^isham |
paradeshaM gatAs te tu bibhrato veSha-kalpanAm ||
Hindus were violently oppressed by As sUhabhaTTa (who converted to Mohammedanism as Saif-ad-dIn or the sword of Islam and aided Sikandar bhUt-shikan in his persecution of Hindus). They fled to foreign lands, they took on the disguise of Muslims.

nijAchAre ratA nityaM tadAchAra-dviSho hR^idA |
svam AchAram anuShThAtuM preritAsh cha dvijair balAt ||
Yet in their hearts they were true to their own tradition [i.e. Hindu dharma; that is why one encounters several Moslem surnames among Kashmirian Hindus] and hated Mohammadanism. The twice-born strongly inspired them them to uphold their own tradition [It is important to note that the Kashmirian brAhmaNa-s despite being the target of much oppression struggled hard to uphold the Hindu dharma].

dAritAH svatrANabhayAd utkochArpaNa tatparAH |
rakShitA bhUmipAlena tad upadrava-vAraNAt ||
Tortured and from the fear of protecting themselves they applied themselves to find ways to exit from Kashmir [note that Saif-ad-dIn had posted forces to track down refugees exiting Kashmir and capture them and convert them to Islam]. However, the sulTAn Zayn intending to dispel the troubles inflicted by the trouble-elephant [Saif or Sikandar] gave them protection [He enabled Hindus to return to Kashmir; R suspects that her ancestors might have fled via Jammu to Kangra during Sikandar's reign].

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby wig » 23 Jul 2013 11:44

two persons from UP arrested for stone throwing in Anantnag, Kashmir
In the meantime, a police spokesman said here today that police in Anantnag arrested two non-state subjects on charges of stone throwing. The spokesman identified them as Mohammad Afzal, son of Iqbal Hussain of Uttar Pradesh and Mohammad Ibrahim Sheikh, son of Sajid Ali Sheikh of Uttar Pradesh.


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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Surya » 24 Jul 2013 20:12

Did this Shia Sunni rioting in J&K make it to any other main media outlets

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Narad » 25 Jul 2013 12:42

160 to 180 Militants Active In Valley : DGP

“There was 30 per cent reduction in militancy incidents this year and 30 per cent reduction in the last year. Militancy is on a decline and the downward trend in militancy is continuing”, he added.

He said there was a concerted, series of attacks on forces in the recent months which should not be read as an alarm. “These attacks and deaths happened because of the operational laxity of forces and also because they were targeted”, he said.

The state police Chief said there were around 200 militants present in the state as per the police assessment. “On the basis of our assessment the number of militants is roughly around 160 to 180 in the valley and about 20 to 25 in Jammu region”, he said and added that 10 to 12 of the militants are important commanders who are the backbone of militancy. “When a commander is arrested, the task becomes easier for us and the rest of the group disappears,” he added.


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