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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby kmc_chacko » 13 Nov 2014 19:52

What is NaMo offering to Kashmir ?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Prem » 13 Nov 2014 23:14

Interesting point about election in J& K at 0800 onward.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby sunnyP » 16 Nov 2014 02:51

nageshks wrote:Five army men including 2 officers sentenced in Machil Fake encounter case.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... IIndiaNews


What a horrible situation for all involved. The army do an incredible job in J&K under immense spotlight, pressure and provocation however such acts cannot go unpunishible. No one should be above the law however it does seem that many separatist leaders are. Geelani, Yasin Malik etc roam freely preaching hatred against Indians. Why isn't more done to find some dirt on these sobs are drag their asses through the courts?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Prem » 19 Nov 2014 03:41

Pakistan hands over Kashmir boy to Indian authorities

MUZAFFARABAD / ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Army on Tuesday returned a 13-year-old boy from Indian administered Kashmir who had inadvertently crossed the Line of Control (LoC) last week.Manzar Hussain, an eight-grade student from Jhanagar village, had mistakenly crossed the LoC from Khoirata Sector in Kotli, 270 kilometres from Muzaffarabad, on November 14, according to the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR).Hussain was handed over to the Indian authorities at Chakothi-Uri crossing point by Pakistani military officials, the ISPR added.


( How did he xross?)

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby chetak » 19 Nov 2014 08:52

sunnyP wrote:
nageshks wrote:Five army men including 2 officers sentenced in Machil Fake encounter case.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... IIndiaNews


What a horrible situation for all involved. The army do an incredible job in J&K under immense spotlight, pressure and provocation however such acts cannot go unpunishible. No one should be above the law however it does seem that many separatist leaders are. Geelani, Yasin Malik etc roam freely preaching hatred against Indians. Why isn't more done to find some dirt on these sobs are drag their asses through the courts?


Before reacting, it may be worthwhile to await the confirmation of the sentence by the confirmation authority which is the Army HQ. It is very obviously a deeply politically colored case.

Official sources said that the five army men including the then Col D K Pathania, who was the commanding officer, and Captain Upendera were held guilty by the Summary General Court Martial (SGCM) which sentenced them to life imprisonment.

The others held guilty were Havaldar Devinder, Lance Naik Lakhmi and Lance Naik Arun Kumar. Another accused, a subedar, has been let off by the SGCM.

"The sentencing by the SGCM is pending confirmation from the confirmation authority after which the action would be considered legally complete," an army official said.


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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby SSridhar » 21 Nov 2014 08:13

Major fire at Uri power plant - Zahid Rafiq, The Hindu
A major fire destroyed part of the 240 MW II hydro-electric project at Uri in north Kashmir on Thursday. The cause of the fire and the extent of damage are yet to be ascertained.

“The fire broke out at about 6 in the morning and the workers who were inside were rescued,” Deputy Commissioner Baramulla Farooq Ahmad Lone told The Hindu . Quoting the chief engineer, Mr. Lone said there were no casualties.

Inaugurated by Prime Minister Narendra Modi in July this year, the Uri II hydro electric power project had the ability to generate about 1,124 million units of power annually.


There is every reason to suspect it was a sabotage.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby wig » 21 Nov 2014 08:55

more news on the fire incident at URI 2

In a major fire that is still raging since morning, the recently commissioned 240 Megawatt Uri-II power house near the Line of Control (LoC) was destroyed, adding to the power woes for Kashmir valley during winter.
The Deputy Commissioner Baramulla, Farooq Ahmad Lone, told Excelsior that the power house suffered major damage in the fire and it will take several months to make it operational again. “Majority of the equipment has to be imported and it will take several months to restore it”, he added.
Lone said that fire broke out at around 6 a.m. and 10 employees of the National Hydroelectric Power Corporation (NHPC) who were on shift duty were rescued. He said that the fire tenders were brought from Baramulla and Srinagar to douse the flames. He said that Army also rushed its firefighting equipment to the power house to douse the fires.
The DC said that fire is under control and it may take few hours to extinguish it. He said that initially it looks the cause of fire is due to short-circuit. “Ultimately investigations will determine what caused the fire”, he added. He said that officials went inside power project after massive firefighting but smoke is still spewing.
The Uri-II power project was inaugurated by Prime Minister Narendra Modi on July 4. The Power House was to be inaugurated by the former PM Dr Manmohan Singh last year but it was cancelled as there was seepage inside the power house.
The power house that was operational since July could have eased out the power crisis of Kashmir during this winters. The power house constructed by the Hindustan Construction Company (HCC) with 60 MW four units was designed to generate 1124 million units per year.
An Army spokesman said here that a major fire broke out in the morning at National Hydro Electric Project (Uri- II) at about 0630 hours due to some technical snag in the main transformer of the Hydro Electric Project .
“Army was approached by the Civil administration at 0730 hours. Immediately Army troops came into action along with civil administration and controlled the spread of major fire tragedy in National Hydro Electric Project (Uri- II) and saved precious lives and property worth lakhs of rupees. Within an hour of hard work, the fire was doused in places easily accessible, however there were places that could not be immediately reached”, the spokesman said.
The spokesman said that no loss of life was reported, however, fire caused major infrastructural damage to the National Hydro Electric Project (Uri- II). “The prompt actions of the Army fire fighting team and civil authorities by providing fire fighting assistance resulted in controlling the spread of fire, thereby saving the precious life’s and minimizing the damage to the property. Till last reports the fire fighting teams were trying to control the fire in the inaccessible parts of the National Hydro Electric Project (Uri- II)”, he added.
A police spokesman said that police facilitated the evacuation of the employees from the power house.
The local lawmaker and Health Minister, Taj Mohi-ud-Din, was always apprehensive about the project. He had been alleging that the substandard material was being used in the construction of this project.
The Minister demanded high level inquiry into the fire and sub-standard material that was used in the construction of the power house. “The Engineers and the construction company used substandard material for its construction. I raised this issue several times but the no one paid any heed”, he said.
Taj Mohi-ud-Din said that project faced several problems during its construction but the NHPC authorities turned a blind eye towards it. “First there was leakage in the tunnel. Then there was seepage inside the power house”, he said.
The Minister said that losses could be between Rs 200-300 crore.
He said that national loss and people have every right to know what went wrong. He said that the NHPC authorities feel that they are Empire in itself never paid attention to his apprehensions.


http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/major-fir ... wer-house/

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby wig » 22 Nov 2014 11:03

Army’s efforts prevented major disaster at Uri power plant


The Army on Friday said its men were at the forefront to douse the fire that broke out in the 240-MW hydropower station, Uri-II, in north Kashmir on Thursday. While the fire damaged the underground powerhouse which is likely to remain shut for nearly two months, the major critical components of the project have been saved.

“The effort was more of technical nature and required specilised skills for which suitable Army officers were brought in from different locations of the Valley,” an Army spokesman said.

He said there were massive challenges during the fire-fighting operations.

“The 900-m-long tunnel of the powerhouse was totally engulfed by smoke. There was a limited access to the spot of the fire. Except through the tunnel, no alternative passage was available for fire tenders and fire-fighting teams to reach. Also, the dense smoke emanating from the smoldering cables and other material acted as a hurdle to launch the operation to bring the fire under control. The presence of highly inflammable materials in the tanks had to be segregated in order to avert the major tragedy. This involved risk to the lives,” the spokesman said.

“The Army pressed officer intensive teams comprising experts in fire fighting and disaster management along with specialised equipment. Alongside, the civil administration pressed 11 fire tenders. The entire effort was directed from two ends, that is from the Pot Head Yard (portion from where the cables for transmission of electricity generated by the turbines, emanate) and the main access tunnel,” he said.

“Since there was no ‘suitable’ passage from the Pot Head Yard side, the officers who were launched into the operation had to crawl through highly dangerous zones amid extreme winter conditions to reach the fire site. From the main access tunnel, the water hoses were taken by the officers and soldiers to use as water jets. This passage had also become critical due to dense smoke and falling debris from the roof of the tunnel. No movement was possible without the use of respirators,” he said.

The spokesman said all these efforts made under extremely risky conditions helped prevent the major disaster and saved critical lives.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2014/20141122/j&k.htm#17

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby arun » 23 Nov 2014 15:09

X Posted from the STFUP thread.

Brian Cloughley unsurprisingly given his past track record of partisanship goes to bat for the Islamic Republic Of Pakistan. Peddles the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s well-worn line of “Third Party Mediation” which is an anathema for India and most Indian’s :

Mediate for peace in Kashmir

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby hulaku » 24 Nov 2014 15:18

Dr.Amitabh Mattoo's forecast on the upcoming elections in J & K from his kitab-e-chehra

Final forecast for Jammu and Kashmir: combining all my previous findings into 10 conclusions:
1. This will be the most credible election since 1977 with the highest turnout possibly ever in a free and fair election
2. There will be the lowest level of violence in any election since the onset of militancy
3. The PDP will emerge the largest single party with 33 seats (+ - 3 seats), the bulk of which will be from the Kashmir valley
4. The BJP will get close to 23 seats, its highest ever, the bulk from the Jammu province (+- 3 seats). The BJP may have got a higher number, if it did not have the liability of a an appalling state leadership outside the thoughtful Dr Nirmal Singh, Jugal Kishore, and the now-ubiquitous Dr Jitendra Singh
5. The NC will get, at most, 12 seats ( +- 2 seats). Omar Abdullah will win Beerwah, but outside Khanyar, Kangan, Id Gah, and Chrar and perhaps 1-2 in North Kashmir will find it difficult to win another seat in the valley
6. The Congress will get, at most, 10 seats ( +- 2 seats) and that only if the Azad factor is able to contain the Modi impact on the Chenab Valley
7. Others (Panthers, People's Conference, Yasin-Tarigami-Mir combine) will get 5 seats (+ - 2 seats)
8. The next government will have the shortest possible honeymoon period: less than 6 months to start making a difference
9. If the next government does not deliver a corruption free government with a fresh vision of governance driven by global best practices, there will deep unrest in all three regions of the state.
10. The next government will be best equipped, if it is interested, to start an internal process of reconciliation and ensure the dignified return of Kashmiri Pandits.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby arun » 27 Nov 2014 15:07

X Posted from the "Pakistani Role In Global Terrorism" thread.

Uniformed Mohammadden Terrorists of the “State Actor” Security forces of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan provide covering mortar fire in order to allow Ununiformed Mohammadden Terrorists of the “Non State” variety to infiltrate into India from the Islamic Republic:


Gunfight in Jammu as militants enter India from Pakistan

The officer said a gun battle is on between the troopers and the militants

IANS | Jammu
November 27, 2014 Last Updated at 11:18 IST

A gunfight broke out Thursday when separatist guerrillas who sneaked into India from Pakistan were accosted by security forces at the border in Jammu and Kashmir, police said.

Police sources told IANS that a group of three to four militants infiltrated into the Indian side of the international border at Arnia in RS Pura area of Jammu district.

Sources added the militants entered an abandoned army bunker.

"The infiltration attempt was supported by Pakistan Rangers who fired mortar shells at BSF (Border Security Force) positions in Arnia today (Thursday) morning so that the militants could sneak in," a senior police officer said here.

The officer said a gun battle is on between the troopers and the militants.

IANS via Business Standard

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby vishvak » 27 Nov 2014 19:58

We should enable BSF to wipe away threats from across the border. When any paki posts provide cover fire, then that is part of the terrorism. We need to stop being bystanders to wait till rabid dogs jump in and attack.

What an abnormal neighbor we have that provides cover fire to infiltrating terrorists!

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby CRamS » 27 Nov 2014 20:39

I saw a "debate" on UnDy that Burka conducted, and boy, while I like the long turnout, I am not sure (as I was saying on TSP thread) the PDP inspires any confidence in me.Their viscous hatred of the BJP even taking into account usual political bickering is TSPsque inspired Hindu hatred. And their masked contempt for Pandits is to been to be believed (although I think PDP has a few token pandits). I think with these PDP b@stards in power, "democratically elected as they are", you can be rest assured, US will be playing diabolical mischief on behalf of its TSP munnas.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby SwamyG » 27 Nov 2014 22:01

Security grid of Ajit Doval is helping J&K elections: http://www.deccanchronicle.com/141126/n ... successful

Thus in the past one month there have been at least 48 infiltration attempts that have been thwarted by Indian security forces resulting in seizure of huge cache of arms and killing of militants.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby anchal » 27 Nov 2014 23:01

On IndiaTV in the recent encounter between IA and rats, tanks were seen moving to rat hole. Has this happened before in COIN ops?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Muppalla » 28 Nov 2014 01:08

There are tanks being used to blast out the vermin from the other side at Arnia.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Dipanker » 28 Nov 2014 02:24

CRamS wrote:I saw a "debate" on UnDy that Burka conducted, and boy, while I like the long turnout, I am not sure (as I was saying on TSP thread) the PDP inspires any confidence in me.Their viscous hatred of the BJP even taking into account usual political bickering is TSPsque inspired Hindu hatred. And their masked contempt for Pandits is to been to be believed (although I think PDP has a few token pandits). I think with these PDP b@stards in power, "democratically elected as they are", you can be rest assured, US will be playing diabolical mischief on behalf of its TSP munnas.



I seriously doubt that PDP alone will be able to form govt., it will have to enter into a coalition either with BJP or Congress, unless of course it want to form a coalition with NC!

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby CRamS » 28 Nov 2014 02:38

Guys, just wild speculation, but I sense that this TSP attack in Jammu was potentially undertaken to thwart some announcement that ModiJi was going to make during his election rally in Budhgam and Poonch tomorrow. As SSJi pointed pointed out in the TSP thread, TSP always operates on a "feel good", and I might add, "feel bad" factor, just to gain some temporary tactical advantage over India. There is a method to their madness.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Dipanker » 28 Nov 2014 02:50

^
That is indeed a wild speculation. More likely this is a tactical move by TSPA in face of the slap they received from 70% voter turnout. This is just to throw a spanner in the electoral process and taking advantage of the fact that India may not like to escalate/heat up the border when the state is in the middle of a election. May also be linked to the "thaw" at SAARC just as a reminder that elephant in the room is still TSPA.



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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Shanmukh » 29 Nov 2014 04:39

BJP MP introduces Bill to have 5 Lok Sabha seats in PoK.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/bjp- ... 03884.html

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Tuvaluan » 02 Dec 2014 02:13



So if the PDP comes to power, we can expect the oiseaule Mufti and his clan to start singing this refrain.
And to think the @#$%^@ used to be India's home minister in 1989 (and no doubt played a part in all the bloodshed that followed).

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Dipanker » 05 Dec 2014 10:51

This is like the 3rd major terrorist attack in about 10 days time or so. Paki, as expected, are using the elections in J&k as window of opportunity to attack India, perhaps also in desperation due to higher voter turnouts. Certainly a discernible uptick in number and frequency of attacks. Only last week in Arnia terrorist attack 10 indians were killed.

India should counter this by making preemptive raids inside Paki territory and kill the terrorists before they cross the border.


3 Army Men, 2 Policemen Killed in Militant Attack at Army Camp in Uri, Jammu and Kashmir

URI: Three soldiers and two policemen were killed on Friday in an audacious militant attack on an army camp near the border in Jammu and Kashmir, in Uri town, where voting for state polls will take place on December 9.

A big group of militants cross over and four to six of them have been killed, says the army. An Indian officer has been critically injured.

Heavily armed militants allegedly sneaked across the Line of Control and entered the camp in Uri, a garrison town in Baramullah district, at around 3.30 am.

The militants engaged the forces in intense firing all morning.

Militants allegedly also fired at policemen who rushed to the spot after hearing gunshots. Two policemen were killed instantly.

The army says the firing has stopped and a search is on.

The attack indicates escalation of militant violence in the middle of elections in Jammu and Kashmir. Uri is around 100 km from Srinagar, where Prime Minister Narendra Modi is due to campaign on Monday


Toll has gone up to 7 soldiers and 3 policeman, so 20 Indians killed by Paki terror in a space of a week or so.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby arun » 07 Dec 2014 14:40

X Posted from the STFUP thread.

A_Gupta wrote:http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/terror-came-from-town-across-loc-shows-gps/

The six Lashkar-e-Taiba jihadists who staged Friday’s attack on an Indian military position near Uri left the small town of Chham, across the Line of Control (LoC) in Pakistan-administered Kashmir, hiking west for almost 24 hours, across dense high-altitude forest, before staging their attack at dawn, military sources have told The Sunday Express. The route, sources said, was revealed by digital records from the global positioning sets carried by the terrorists.

Flown to New Delhi early on Saturday, the digital positioning data shows the Lashkar assault team’s route took them from Chham to the LoC, and then to near Kamalkote village — the site of a cross-LOC artillery exchange which claimed the life of teenager Gulshan Bano last month.

The group, sources said, appeared to have stopped for a meal before crossing the Jhelum on foot, at about 2.30 am on Friday.
- See more at: http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... nXfCJ.dpuf


More links of the 12 Mohammadden terrorists who got exterminated while carrying out attacks at Uri, Soura and Arnia over the last eight days, to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan emerge.

Hindustan Times also reports entries recovered from GPS equipment carried by Mohammadden Terrorists who attacked Uri show they crossed over the LoC from the part of Jammu & Kashmir illegally occupied by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Thus

The GPS units of the terrorists in Arnia, which is 3km from the International Border (IB), showed Sialkot as their last known position on November 24.

Those of the Uri attackers showed they’d been in Chham, a known militant launching pad across the LoC, on December 3 and had crossed over at least one day before the attack, investigators said.


Besides GPS enteries, ready to eat meal packets were same as those used by the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Military of the Islamic republic of Pakistan” while arms and ammunition carried markings of the Pakistan’s Government owned ordnance factory:

According to the investigators, the Uri gunmen carried ready-to-eat meal packets (pav bhaji, chicken achari, dry fruits, etc) regularly used by the Pakistan army, and packets of made-in-Pakistan ‘Super Biscuits’ and chocolates. They had 37 grenades with markings of an ordnance factory in Rawalpindi’s Wah Cantonment and 1,500 rounds of ammunition.


From Hindustan Times:

Grenades, food items, GPS entries: Terror came from across LoC

More from Times of India which reports that Pakistani identity cards and Pakistani origin medicines recovered from slain Mohammadden Terrorists:

J&K terror attack: Slain terrorists carried medicines, eatables from Pakistan

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby krishnan » 07 Dec 2014 16:03

shows they dont give a crap if its found out , removing the tags would have been easy, also why the id card , doesnt make sense

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Postby CRamS » 07 Dec 2014 20:07

krishnan wrote:shows they dont give a crap if its found out , removing the tags would have been easy, also why the id card , doesnt make sense


You said it, the intent is precisely that. TSP wants to send the equivocal message that they are the ones who punched us and that they can do it at will, while maintaining a public facade of denial. Goal is to get India to talk about handing over the valley.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Anantha » 07 Dec 2014 21:29

Image

Lt col. Sankalp Shukla Amar rahe

Changed later....Respect
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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby arun » 07 Dec 2014 21:47

^^^ Should read Lt. Col. Sankalp Shukla Amar rahe

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby A_Gupta » 08 Dec 2014 19:09

Report on PM Modi's rally in Srinagar:
http://www.firstpost.com/politics/modi- ... 39543.html

Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Monday said a finger pressed on an EVM is more powerful than the one on an AK-47 trigger as he asked the people of Jammu and Kashmir to give a decisive mandate to BJP.

Modi also said the resettlement of displaced people is a national responsibility and his government will ensure that those who have been displaced are rehabilitated.
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He also hit out at what he called the "dynastic rule" in the state and said that J&K needs a stable government.

"You have seen the rule of the father and son. You have seen the rule of the father and daughter. Have they done any thing for you?" he said in an indirect reference to National Conference and PDP rule.
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The Prime Minister said that the youth of the state needs employment and development, which only BJP can give.

The Prime Minister once again did not mention the controversial issue of abrogation of Article 370.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby rohitvats » 10 Dec 2014 09:54

X-Posting from Off-Topic Thread:

By deejay:

JEM, Geeth, Marten, et al:

What was a flurry of posts over last two days from me seems to have left a bad taste. Well that was not the intention. I have admitted before (and it is a flaw) that I tend to wear my passion on my sleeve. In the end, the result seems to have been at cross purposes to the intention, so here is an unsolicited clarification.

> It is since 1989 that IA has been valley fighting a Low intensity Conflict with Pakistan. Though it is a fact that the fight is with Pakistan, even today, we try to find links with Pakistan. It is clear that these attackers are coming from across the border from territory in Pakistani control. It is also clear that Pakistan at various forums has accepted overt support to the attackers. The point being more than the Lashkar, Jamaat, etc, it is the Pak Army which benefits from the said attacks. Every attack is a revenge for the Pak Army.

> Further, for those people who joined services, especially the Indian Army since the beginning of conflict in valley, the journey has been different from those before the period. To explain this we need to understand that a war has a beginning and an end. It has a purpose and has objectives which need to be achieved. Kargil war in ’99 is an example.

>One fights for these objectives and the consequences are part of the job. In the context of the Kashmir Valley these objectives have not been clear from day one. At best we are trying to seal the border and kill those who still spill over. In case of fire from the other side (which we mostly claim is cover for infiltration) we return fire in equal measure or may be more. A third front is open Internationally in the diplomatic forums, in media and through other avenues. In each case we just react. Then there is an economic war Pakis have launched in form FICN, denying us MFN while we have the opposite. Essentially, in 25 years since ’89 we still do not have a policy beyond sealing the border and fighting in retaliation to their attackers or firing. On the economic front we are doing nothing.

> In my view some clarity on policy and objectives were received in the Vajpayee era post Op Parakram with Operations in Hill Kaka to take back places like Surankot which were in our territory but were not in control. These were small steps but gave the IA a clear direction to take on the enemy. Surprisingly, prior to that even that was not tried.

> From ’89 – ’99 we had no clear objectives except stopping infiltration and we were still deciding if it is an uprising or Pak sponsored terrorism; ’99 – ’04 we had some definite directions with the GOI backing hard action in our own territory; ’04-’14 the whole thing was in a free fall at best; ’14 – onwards the directions and rules of engagements are being set as per the new GOI’s wishes.

>After 25 years, the present Narendra Modi government made the right moves (initially?). Doval ji’s familiarity with the situation raised hope. Some clear signals were sent. Clarity of action and defining the deliverables are very important even for the IA. The attacks that caused the uproar in media (and my posts) were the first instance where the present GOI did not send out the right signals – again raising the question whether even the present GOI has any objectives in mind.

> The right signals, IMO, would not be Arty strikes or firing on the LC/LOC/IB/AGPL etc. We called off talks when the Paki ambassador spoke to the Hurriyat team. On the day of 04 attacks inside our country we could not do anything to reprimand Pakistan or at least posture internationally in the well coordinated manner done in the past - to get to a point where the Pakis stand exposed. Instead, the top leadership acted (in) differently. Some actions which we could have taken have been listed by Niran ji and others in the Policy thread.

> If one works in an organization where there is aimlessness to the work, there is toll on the individual / team. 25 years of conflict without an idea where this conflict is headed or what the decision makers want out of this is a stretch even for a motivated and disciplined force like the IA. 25 years is also enough time for a country to prepare for any consequences w.r.t. action taken for ending the conflict. We have not done so, because we still are not sure what we want to do. Are we still hoping that Pakistan will tire away? Is the present GOI thinking differently?

Changing track …

> Lt Col Sankalp, for those who do not know was a batch mate of Maj. Sandeep Unnikrishnan – 94 NDA / 104 Regular(IMA). This particular course was commissioned in Jun ’99 at the peak of Kargil conflict. The roll call of the martyred (I call it the heavenly Roll of Honour) would be around 25% of the course. Sandeep and Marathe (another ’94) were a course junior to me in Oscar Sqn, NDA and I knew them. Sankalp, I didn’t know personally. Yet, the loss is felt at a personal level. All of us who have our commissioning in this period of ’89 to now have gone through this huge heavenly roll of honour – whether of course mates or of seniors or juniors. Most of us at some time have had opportunity call upon the families of a martyr and give the news. It is tough. The martyr’s of the low intensity conflict seem have died for an unknown or undefined unlike in Kargil.

>If you sit back and think, all these people dead since ’89, what has changed because they died? Have we really moved ahead since ’89? The only time we decided to act and did put some pressure was after an attack on the Indian Parliament. Is it that our tolerance levels are very high? Is it because we are scared? Is it because abundance of human life has reduced its value in our country?

>Maybe, it is combination of all three. But this new GOI gives us an opportunity to think differently. They are confident lot and they have the best opportunity since Independence (I think) to change the very consciousness of our nation. A political will of the country which says that we shall not take this forever. That there has to be an end to this attack on our country.

>Ex- Servicemen like me can post what we could not while in Service. BRF is an important forum where a lot of thought is brought forward, discussed and arguments strengthened to be further propagated in the open media. I think the idea that our martyrs in uniform are important enough for us to actively subvert the enemies intention and not wait passively is an important thought and hence worth discussing here.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby arun » 11 Dec 2014 14:10

X Posted from the Islamism Thread.

The disease of the need to publicly exhibit Mohammadden piety even in Non-Religious activities such as sport that is evident in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, seeps from across the Line of Control to infect cricket in India.

Check out the picture in the DNA e-paper captioned "J&K's team media manager Shahana Fatima Zargar prays after the win" for Burqua/ Burka clad (or is that a Chaddor?) team official of the Jammu & Kashmir Ranji Trophy team praying Mohammadden style at the D.I.Patil cricket stadium in Navi Mumbai:

J&K Find Paradise In Mumbai

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby UlanBatori » 12 Dec 2014 22:17

actively subvert the enemies intention and not wait passively


Come come now, u know we have always argued for the same thing:

GIVE PEACE A CHANCE ... destroy the pakistani army

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby jamwal » 20 Dec 2014 14:12

http://swarajyamag.com/politics/jammu-a ... travelled/
Jammu : A Road less Travelled

The dream came true this October. The route was Jammu and around, Rajouri, Poonch, via Mughal road to Anantnag, to Kishtwar via Sinthan Top, Bhadarwah and finally Jammu.

This is one of the most scenic and exciting drives in India, perfect for bikers and car rally enthusiasts. We drove approximately 1800 km through good, stone or mud roads, snow and water streams, all in a 2005 model Tata Indica that unexpectedly served us very well. We visited a border village in Samba that was affected by the recent Pakistani firing. The villagers were happy with the new government’s strong response. The BSF Company Commander told us that for the first time in his over 30 years of service, of which over 10 were in the state, the BSF was allowed to give a befitting response. Jawans were motivated.

Whenever there is heavy firing, villagers take shelter in temples, gurudwaras and banquet halls. Food is provided by nationalist and temple organisations.Their biggest problem is inadequate toilets for ladies. The village folk want the Union Government (no faith in the state government) to make permanent shelters and toilets where they can take temporary shelter during firing.

They expressed concern at the increase in missionary activity in Samba and the impact of conversions on the social fabric of the region. When there is a power cut, the border is lit up by diesel powered generators. Why is the government not providing the BSF with Solar powered lights, asked one of the well informed villagers.

Basohli

Basohli, approximately 160 km from Jammu, is well known for a style of painting characterised by vigorous use of primary colours and a peculiar facial formula that prevailed in the 17th and 19th centuries in the foothills of the western Himalayas.

It is from here that this style spread to Chamba and Kangra .We met with members of Vishwasthali, a social and cultural organisation that is striving to keep the tradition alive by teaching young children about the local culture. They cribbed about virtually no state government support and excess importance to Valley.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby chetak » 23 Dec 2014 07:41

The theatre of Kashmir and India’s new strategic thinking



December 18, 2014 by Dr Malvika Jaswal.

A retired General from the Indian Army celebrates the wedding of his son by inviting as many of his ex-colleagues as he possibly can, creating an impromptu reunion of men from different divisions and different parts of the country. As the festivities wind down in the chilly November evening, the ex-army men gather around with their glasses of amber-coloured ambrosia, with youngsters crowding around to hear their stories, and talk turns as it inevitably does to Kashmir. Fallen comrades are remembered with affection and regret as their ghosts seem to swell the gathering with their presence. As one gentleman reminisces, “I was a young 2nd Lieutenant in Kashmir in the 1970’s. I remember we met an SHO there for some official work and he genially informed us that he had just visited “India” the previous month with his whole family and absolutely enjoyed the experience”. ‘To say I was shocked is an understatement. I was left speechless as I looked at this man earning his pay packet from the Government of India and living in a house provided by them in, according to him, a foreign land.’ There is a moment of silence as a young woman tentatively asks, “So, the Indian Army had a visible presence in Kashmir before 1990?” There are several very ungentlemanly snorts as the erstwhile army men shake their heads at the younger generation. “The army could never leave Kashmir since 1947”, says a gentleman with a venerable shock of white hair on his head, “Hari Singh and then Nehru took care of that by hedging to take concrete decisions. The constant threat of invasion by the Pakistani forces and the tribal guerillas they were apt to release across the borders made army a necessity in that region”.

The conflict in Jammu and Kashmir is not therefore a situation that arose in the 1990’s, it has been a constant companion for us since independence. Army personnel, however, agree that the situation with the locals was much calmer and friendlier prior to the 1987 elections when the faults of our political leaders led to a sudden and vicious spew of distrust towards India in the local population, which in turn made it easier for Pakistan-funded terrorists to infiltrate, influence and create strongholds in Kashmir.

The threat of terror attacks since 1990 sounded a death knell for the most thriving industry of Kashmir – its lucrative trade in tourism. This in turn led to a sharp increase in unemployment, which increased the feeling of frustration and anger towards the ruling government – a situation that played itself beautifully into the hands of recruiters from across the border.

More than two decades later, the unemployment rates in J&K remain high compared with its neighbouring states. More importantly, out of the 240000 unemployed educated youth in the state, 155000 are from the Kashmir valley, despite Jammu having the higher population. Also, the state holds the dubious distinction of having the highest unemployment ratio for women in India at 20%, whereas the all India average is a mere 3.7%.

Unemplyment Rates

Constant security checks while travelling, in markets and even in their homes, the danger of walking into a crowded area where a bomb may go off and lack of stability in the area led to anger that, since it could never be directed at the militants for fear of swift and brutal reprisal, found its release on the heads of the army who were deemed outsiders, incapable of sympathizing with the local people and their problems, and with the power of the AFSPA behind them seen as symbols of persecution. All these factors formed a vicious cycle in which Kashmir has been entangled for decades now.

The Indian Army and other security forces deployed in the area have been waging a constant war against terrorism in this hostile environment since militancy reared its ugly head in the valley. Their major successes occurred in the years of the Vajpayee government between 1998-2004, when emboldened by the unequivocal support of their Chief of Staff, the Indian army notched up 45% of all terrorist fatalities to date – that is, out of 22745 insurgents killed in the 25 years between 1987 and 2013, 10147 deaths occurred in those 6 years. The upper hand that the army gained in these years was the primary reason for a decline in militancy in the area.

In recent years, Pakistan’s growing internal problems and brushes with the deadly Taliban have forced them to concentrate on their other borders and have led to a sliding of fervor for the Kashmir cause. The resources that were formerly dedicated to encouraging dissent and militancy in India have now had to be diverted to actual protection of their local population. Also, the rising economic status of the average Indian in the past decade and a half gave the Kashmiri people hopes of achieving similar increases in their fortunes if only the shadow of militancy were to be removed from their state.

Thus, by the time the 2014 LS elections drew up, Kashmir was primed to take a leap into a new future for itself. When PM Modi took office in May this year, he, following inputs from one of the greatest spymasters in the country, gave a green signal to a visionary policy for this embattled state. One that is based on the age-old ‘carrot, stick and confusion’ maxim, or formally dubbed as ‘appeasement, attack and prevarication’. This new approach combined with the will of the new voter has led to the huge turnout seen in the 2014 state elections taking place in the valley.

In order to curb the inevitable disruption to the poll process caused by mob violence or the threats of retribution after polls on those who dared to cast votes, prior to these elections, the armed forces carried out the systematic targeting of separatist and incendiary elements, even at the village level. For example, members of the Jamaat-e-Islaami, which has pockets of influence in some districts of South and North Kashmir, were systematically put under virtual house arrest during the run up to these elections effectively chopping their wings. Baramulla district, which has been a key stronghold of the Jamaat saw almost 50% higher turnout this time because of these elementary steps taken by the security establishment with great accuracy.

Baramulla Turnout

As another retired army Major quoted in a Kashmiri daily, “For the first time the GOI is not placing a premium on Muslim centric politics and has given a free hand to security forces”. This has allowed the army to take an offensive stance against perpetrators of violence in an extremely non-violent manner, instead of remaining hunkered into defensive positions as they were forced to do previously and risking the loss of civilian lives caught in the crossfire.

However, a free hand does not imply a free-for-all for the forces. The verdict in the Machil encounter case, which for the first time saw the army taking such decisive action against its own men, was the preliminary step towards creating a favourable atmosphere in the valley.

When Prime Minister Modi addressed a political rally in Srinagar this month, a major point of contention were his words on the army. Unlike his predecessor politicians who either roundly blamed the army for every failure in a bid to garner popular support and then refused to do more once they moved away from a microphone or simply ignored the problem, PM Modi acknowledged the sacrifices that the army makes both on and off the field in protecting the citizens of this country along with the fact that some mistakes had been made on their part while carrying out their duties in a conflict zone. This was a very important acknowledgement by the PM, for we must realize that the Army is also made up of mere mortals who are capable of making mistakes and could be held responsible under the law of the land.

Backing up this statement was the prompt ruling on the men involved in the Budgam case where two young men lost their lives, which sends the message of a government willing to play fair on both sides – (1) by asking the army to clean up its house publicly in order to foster trust with those who live under the shadow of the guns, instead of sweeping things under the carpet and (2) by not trying to look for ways to milk the public anger for a few votes by inciting the local populace and causing more strife.

It was not just all brazen “security forces only approach” in Kashmir, but for the first time India had a comprehensive plan with multiple layers to it. Prevarication is a difficult game to play at the best of times, and in a conflict-ridden state the stakes are that much higher. For instance, some 150 Imams from different parts of India (mainly UP) were sent to Kashmir under the aegis of Jamaat Ulema-e-Hind (which sounded exactly like the famous organization Jamiat Ulema-e-Hind of Mehmood Madani and confused many Kashmiri Imams into accepting their dictats). These Imams spread the message of “vote for a better life” among ordinary Kashmiris and religious clergy alike. In a state where religion plays a major role in everyday life, an endorsement by religious heads went a long way in swaying the local Kashmiri’s towards voting for a change in their circumstances rather than be swayed by separatism.

The high turnout in the 2014 elections is a nod not only to the efforts of the security forces deployed in the region and the government policies that have deviated sharply from the run-of-the-mill political agendas being followed in the valley for the last decade, but also to the indomitable spirit of the Kashmiri people. What really is heartening to see is that India’s strategic thinking has found a creative edge in this very complex state of Jammu & Kashmir. In fact, the common refrain among people in the security establishment and retired army officers who have served in the Kashmir theatre is, “For the first time in decades, the combination of a no-nonsense former spy master like Ajit Doval as the NSA with that of an equally no-nonsense PM at this crucial juncture of history may finally spell the doom of separatism and militancy in the valley.”

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Pratyush » 23 Dec 2014 10:47

Omar has said that the election results should not be seen as plebecite in the state. I wonder what he is thinking about.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby JE Menon » 23 Dec 2014 11:20

^^defeat

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Yagnasri » 23 Dec 2014 12:27

He is lost in one seat and is behind ( to of all people to Con Mafia) in another one. Of course he is talking rubbish like that. Biggest useless fellow in Indian politics. Of course he is also said to be close to our Baba Raul of Con Mafia.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Virupaksha » 23 Dec 2014 12:32

Valley vote share of BJP = 1%

acc to CNN-IBN, shows all what works.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Rajagopal » 23 Dec 2014 14:57

Virupaksha wrote:Valley vote share of BJP = 1%

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This is the clearest proof that a Islamist will always be a Islamist, whether in Kashmir or in Norway. There is no redeeming these guys. In future, non-Islamic parties should not waste time in the valley winning hearts or minds. It is imperative that BJP pushes in as many Pandits and non-kashmiris into the valley for the next election. Abolishing article 370 should be the first order of the business.


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