J&K News and Discussion-2011

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 17 Sep 2014 06:17

There is a chilling article today by an army commando, how they swam 800 meters in a lake to reach a spot infested by terrorist Cashmeris, where they expected to be shot. How choppers were to arrive and drop relief supplies.And they were putting their lives in danger for a rescue mission.
Indian army putting their lives on line to save these people? this has become ridiculous.

P.S. I dont have the time to look for that article. Could some one else search and post it.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 17 Sep 2014 10:56

^ We including our Army still suffers from Prithviraj syndrome. Why swim 800 meters and get shot at and leave behind a widow, orphan kids and inconsolable parents.
Haven't forgotten drama over Kousarnag where we will see a mosque by the time news of the floods recede.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 17 Sep 2014 12:25

IAF Chief sporting the lovely squadron patch of No. 47 Squadron - it flies the venerable Mig-29. He commanded this Squadron.

Squadron Motto - "Karmani Vyaprutham Dhanuhu" ---> My bow is stretched for it's task.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Sep 2014 13:34

flood or no floor, amir-e-khan would have dropped a 500lb on the house where firing came from.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 17 Sep 2014 14:20

^ and just to make sure that the job is done, lobbed in a couple of 100 mortar rounds too..
In Malasi world, Only power flowing thru the artillery barrage is respected..

Shankk · Post by **Shankk** » 17 Sep 2014 17:59

P!ssful pigs of piecefool religion creating headache for Arrah forcing him to procure precious commodity of 72

Two ~~militants~~ terrorists were killed in an encounter with security forces near the Line of Control in Macchil sector of Kashmir valley on Wednesday.

The spokesman did not specify whether the slain militants were infiltrating from Pakistan-occupied Kashmir or were already operating locally.

"In spite of heavy involvement of Army in relief and rescue operations, the troops deployed on Line of Control area vigilant," he said.

The spokesman said the operation in Macchil sector is still in progress and further details are awaited.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 17 Sep 2014 18:43

Why waste bullets? Need a few firefighting helicopters: grab the water in buckets from the flood, dump it on the AK-47 houses from 10000 feet AGL.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 17 Sep 2014 19:30

CRamS wrote:One caller asks the right question. What is India scared of? Why not arrest this punk and humiliate him?

CRS, in any sane nation where rule of law is paramount, these scums would have been arrested for preventing emergency care services in the interest of public good. Hurricane Katrina was an example. Hey, even avoiding federal taxes is a crime. There are plenty of other reasons to arrest such windbags and putting them away for ten-twenty years. The writ of the state is in question. Indian state is weak, even though we may not want to believe this. If the state is afraid of violent repercussions from a few separatists, then what the hell do they think is going on presently? That's why there state and local police.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 17 Sep 2014 19:32

Shankk wrote:P!ssful pigs of piecefool religion creating headache for Arrah forcing him to procure precious commodity of 72

The spokesman did not specify whether the slain militants were infiltrating from Pakistan-occupied Kashmir or were already operating locally.

This is not fair. These hard working momeens were on their way to lend their hand in relief work. Time for more jeehard (after the relief packages and medical care have been delivered, of course).

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Sep 2014 21:18

Its only fair to help these so called Militants by providing them 1stone per day of flooding going on for 2 weeks now, i.e 14 stones per Jihadi. Tie 4 around the neck, 4 around the waste , 4 on the ankles and 2 on the wrists and see if they can float to save themselves.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 17 Sep 2014 21:59

My cousin got airlifted in Kashmir yesterday. Was all praise for IAF and IA.
Seems like water level level rose so much so to inundate ground floors. He had to climb out of second floor window to reach Army boats.
Will check with him about other details tomorrow.
With this amount of water, I hope this flood would have destroyed all the ammunition dumps and electronic equipment that Paki state actors have been 'donating' since 1989 to KM's.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 17 Sep 2014 23:52

Singha wrote:flood or no floor, amir-e-khan would have dropped a 500lb on the house where firing came from.

Yes, and then dropped the food supplies and evacuated the infirm/sick for treatment. Carrot and stick, my friend, carrot and stick.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 18 Sep 2014 01:45

I can't believe this. Indian army is playing nice to TSPians too in Srinagar. First of all, who allowed these punks to enter India? And that too a TSPA general

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/the-bu ... ers/338483

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 18 Sep 2014 05:53

Interesting details, hence posting in full:

Leave flood relief to state and exit, Centre told

New Delhi, Sept. 17: Central aid agencies should withdraw from the flood-ravaged Valley soon and leave restoration work to the Omar Abdullah government or risk protests like the stone-pelting incidents of 2010, the Union home ministry has warned.

The warning comes against the backdrop of attacks on some rescue personnel, including a few from the army, and the Centre’s dilemma whether the disaster zone should be left on its own. The final call is expected to be taken by Prime Minister Narendra Modi after Chinese President Xi Jinping’s visit.

The warnings have been outlined in a set of recommendations submitted by the home ministry to the cabinet secretary last week, soon after reports of stone-pelting at the army and National Disaster Response Force (NDRF) teams.

The recommendations also call for a rethink on the “enthusiasm” to evacuate migrant labourers from the Valley as such efforts could be seen as a sign that those from other states were being given priority over locals.

“If the Centre doesn’t withdraw now, placards will come up,” one ministry recommendation reportedly states. A government source explained its implication. “Assistance can continue, but not active presence in the field, because the responsibility (for relief) lies with the state government.”

Protests, even attacks by fringe elements, have started in some pockets of Srinagar, injuring some army jawans and at least two NDRF personnel. One NDRF jawan’s fingers were cut off by a mob protesting slow relief, sources said.

Such incidents have puzzled aid workers, but reports of assistance not reaching many areas were found to be true. These include Srinagar’s Jawahar Nagar and Indira Nagar, both close to the Jhelum, the sources said. “That was because the state government apparatus was not functioning,” a source said.

Things may get worse if health facilities are not improved — water near hospitals and dispensaries is yet to be drained out and animal carcasses pose the risk of disease outbreaks.

The blame for all this could fall on the Centre given that Union home secretary Anil Goswami had camped in Srinagar to oversee the rescue alongside army commanders, the sources said.

Central help was justified when the Omar Abdullah government was struggling in the immediate aftermath of the flash floods, with communication links snapped and scores of officials themselves caught in the deluge, the sources said.

“But now Omar is in command,” said another official. Over the past week, the chief minister has been holding meetings twice a day and more officials are returning to work.

Adding to the worries in Delhi are intelligence inputs suggesting a repeat of stone-pelting incidents of the kind that had rocked the Valley in 2010. The fears have been fuelled by sections of the ruling National Conference trying to discredit the rescue efforts by blaming defence personnel for “stale” food and not helping many in the floods, army sources said from Srinagar. “The stone-pelting may start again,” said the source.

Another key recommendation relates to evacuation of hundreds of migrant labourers. A source said even at the height of militancy, migrants had not completely left the Valley where pro-azaadi slogans are chanted daily.

“It is justified to evacuate tourists but migrant labourers, many of whom had not got their wages, should be free to stay back with government help,” said the source.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 18 Sep 2014 10:58

Omar Abdullah hasn't yet migrated to London/Delhi like his Daddy used to do at the very first sign of trouble ?
In control my foot!

These Duffers want Indian Army to help them while they pelt stones at their leisure. Wonder how long this symbiotic relationship would last.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 18 Sep 2014 11:24

VikasRaina wrote:Omar Abdullah hasn't yet migrated to London/Delhi like his Daddy used to do at the very first sign of trouble ?
In control my foot!

These Duffers want Indian Army to help them while they pelt stones at their leisure. Wonder how long this symbiotic relationship would last.

We have kept and pampered them like damads for over sixty years. They are entitled onlee.

Where is daddy, BTW. Not a peep out of the old bugger.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 18 Sep 2014 20:08

Lots of old houses in Kashmir which are built of stone and wood are damaged beyond repair. Some of them belonged to Kashmir Pandits who don't live there any more.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 18 Sep 2014 21:59

Jammu and Kashmir floods: Air Force deploys world's biggest helicopter for rescue operations
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/kash ... 82084.html

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 18 Sep 2014 22:16

^^^
What a casual and an irresponsible choice of words that destroys the real narrative? Who is the victim? and, Whose compliance is required here?

A National Disaster Response Force (NDRF) rescue worker was severely injured after he was thrashed by a crowd in a Srinagar locality. The residents wanted to guide the NDRF team to a particular area, but their (as in NDRF) failure in the complying with the distress call resulted in violent response.

Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/kash ... 82084.html

Rishirishi · Post by **Rishirishi** » 19 Sep 2014 02:22

India needs to learn the lesson. Want to keep the land, make it reflect the population of India.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 19 Sep 2014 15:58

The total collapse of the civil administration in the Flood effected area will now effect the outcome of the election in the state. This is an opportunity for the BJP to make an inroad, at the expense of the Abdullas.

James B · Post by **James B** » 19 Sep 2014 16:08

Yup, keep J&K under governor rule for 6-7 months, do some developmental activities in J&K, fix the flood affected areas & then go for elections. Mission 44+ will be possible.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 19 Sep 2014 21:10

Govt missing in action: Flood washes away Omar's hope of repeat mandate

If public anger in Kashmir Valley over government’s absence from the scene of the catastrophe is any indication, Omar Abdullah’s party the National Conference may have just scripted its own eclipse from the political scene in the floods that have left a trail of death, destruction and chaos across Kashmir.
"The last favour Omar Abdullah can do to the people is to get out of the scene," said Nayeem Akhtar, spokesperson of the opposition Peoples’ Democratic Front, the main challenger of the National Conference in state elections which are due in two months. Nayeem, like thousands of Srinagar residents was caught in floods and did not receive any support from the state government.

At present, much of the relief and rescue operation is being coordinated and monitored by a central team led by Union home secretary Anil Goswami, who happens to be from the state. This team compressing a number of joint secretaries drawn from different ministries, functions from BSF headquarters located close to the airport. As against this, the state government’s control room located at Gupkar Road, does not even have a telephone connectivity for the people to speak to.

Many are angry that in the initial days of the crisis, Omar Abdullah had tried to pass the responsibility of handling the aftermath of floods to the Centre. "Five ministers rushing to Delhi to ask for aid from the prime minister was the most shameful thing," said Farooq Khan, who is overseeing BJP’s relief operations in Jammu. He wondered why the ministers did not instead go to their constituencies to be with the people. "Omar Abdullah could have spoken to prime minister through video conferencing. Modi would not have refused an interview to the chief minister," Khan said.

Like Jameel, many common citizens prefer governor’s rule over the continuation of elected government till the elections. National Conference, as such, was facing a huge anti-incumbency especially given the rise of the BJP across Jammu and Ladakh and an assertive PDP in the Valley. Now with the government getting flak for its inept handling of floods, the party is set to face meet its Waterloo in the elections.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 20 Sep 2014 22:59

I abhor what US is doing its Muslim suspects in Guantanamo bay and other torture camps it has outsourced to its all-lies like TSP, but scum like this deserve the same kind of treatment. Indian state has been too soft with such filth

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2 ... ffort.html

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 20 Sep 2014 23:26

^^
They are Indian after all. GOI has to bring everybody in one fold.We have done very good job there. You might have seen riot police (rather military ) in US recently. Whole world was laughing at them. They take Hollywood films for reality. This is not the way these things are handled.Things will be all right. Look back violent incidents have decreased dramatically as compared to 90s. I have noticed whenever there are public disturbances (in Europe) police keeps very low profile. When crowed starts dispersing at that moment police suddenly appears and start making arrests based upon information provided by public CCTV or informants.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 21 Sep 2014 06:31

Yasin Mallik cost to ISI, Rs 45 lac a month

Yasin Mallik is the highest paid separatist or terrorist today in the Kashmir valley. Despite being rescued by the Indian army and then doing a complete u-turn by fanning sentiments against the same people could be explained due to his fat paycheck of Rs 45 lakh he receives every month.

Over the past ten years several agencies have probed these separatists and have found illegal flow of funds into their accounts. However today Mallik the blue eyed boy of the ISI is being paid the highest amount and his instruction is don’t give up and never let go. There is a constant trail of this man by the agencies in India who tell Times Now that he has been receiving this salary in several installments every month. However after the spate of probes that were launched by the Indian agencies including the Central Bureau of Investigation, he has the money delivered through the borders and he has his men to collect it for him. 25 lakh in cash was delivered to a Yasin Mallik aide in Kathmandu in the month of July while the other transaction was tracked to a hawala operative in Delhi. The final part of the payment was delivered to him through a conduit who slipped into the Valley through the Pakistan border. This amount has not reached any bank and thanks to the spate of probes there has been no deposits found in his accounts which suggests he has been parking the money in the homes of his well wishers. The National Investigation Agency and the Intelligence Bureau are finding out more on this trail.

The agencies who have been keeping a watch on him have managed to gather this information through those close to Mallik who says he very often tells them about the kind of salary he gets and the last we heard him say was the amount ran into Rs 45 lakh a month.

The only other separatist to have got this kind of a salary was Abul Gani Lone. His monthly salary was fixed at Rs 30 lakh and this amount was collected on his behalf by his daughter who was based in Delhi.

According to the military intelligence, Mallik is a very resourceful man for the ISI who has an exceedingly good network. He has his men spying on the army operations all the time. He is always given information every time the army has done something good for the people of Kashmir. He is always there or sends his men to change the mindset of the people as he was seen doing yesterday as the army battles to save the lives of the Kashmiris.

While the salary paid to Mallik remains with him and he is free to what he wants with it, there is also further renumeration that comes in when he raises money to spread hatred in Kashmir. He gets ten percent of the money that he raises. He is suspected to have raised over 5 million dollars in the past dollars in the past five years and a chunk of this came during his visits to the US, UK and Saudi Arabia.

Mallik like the rest of the separatists gets a king’s welcome in Pakistan and has several orchards and palatial houses in Kashmir. The Indian agencies apart from blaming Pakistan also blame the local government which has very often seen giving them a free hand.

The last CBI probe conducted on these persons would give a sense of what kind of a lifestyle they lead after spreading hatred in India.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 21 Sep 2014 08:12

We may have out gripes with Dileep Padgaonkar, but here is an eminently sensible and rational analysis by him on the situation in J&K post floods. People like me can scream all day on what a bunch of bigoted, pompous, ungrateful, traitors the KMs are, and there is no doubt about this, but short of gunning every one of them down, some tact and poise is needed to enable them to at least shed a fraction of their hatred against India

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... ed-waters/

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 21 Sep 2014 09:04

CRamS wrote:We may have out gripes with Dileep Padgaonkar, but here is an eminently sensible and rational analysis by him on the situation in J&K post floods. People like me can scream all day on what a bunch of bigoted, pompous, ungrateful, traitors the KMs are, and there is no doubt about this, but short of gunning every one of them down, some tact and poise is needed to enable them to at least shed a fraction of their hatred against India

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... ed-waters/

that is simply a shameless appeal to get the gravy ngo train of which he is a part of to be subsidised by centre, nothing else.

It might be couched in some catchy prose, but it is simply a begging attempt. The only operative para is this - bheek de, paisa de, bheek de

To counter the message, the Modi government would do well to involve local NGOs and influential members of local communities to shoulder the immediate and longer-term rehabilitation tasks in a coordinated manner. There is no dearth of expert advice on how to go about meeting these challenges.

I would not even go into who the already existing "local NGOs and influential members of local communities" would be and who those "experts" are

I cant even begin to stop laughing after reading this statement

But let New Delhi not make a to-do about its achievements on this score.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 21 Sep 2014 21:42

I am yet to see the CM or local panchaayat members on ground taking stock of situation. It is not for nothing that sarpanch of villages are murdered before elections. But nice to see AAP volunteers on ground for one. At least AAP is in limelight post elections. The rehabilitation of lakhs of pandits must be top priority and not left to style of ongoing work that goes on and on where NGOs can work only untill rehabilitation is complete.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 24 Sep 2014 06:04

CRS, You are losing your touch. To praise someone who is on Paki payroll via Fai is crazy. Dileep Padgoankar is an ideal example of a presstitute.
Those three interlocutors were all scumbags taking money from Fai and advising MMS!!!

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 24 Sep 2014 06:53

Is there any chance of plague(after effect of flooding) hitting Kashmir especially in the POK and Hurried-Rats infested areas and wiping them off total clear? I am so worried about their safety

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 24 Sep 2014 07:22

It looks like the terrorists occupy the dry high ground and pucca subdivisions in J&K while the Hindus and the Indian KMs occupy the floodplains.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 24 Sep 2014 12:49

Just for comparison this is how China treats its separatists:

China jails Uighur scholar for life for ‘separatism’

Neshant · Post by **Neshant** » 24 Sep 2014 13:54

Ukraine envoy for Scottish type referendum in Kashmir

Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - Islamabad—The ambassador of Ukraine in Pakistan Volodymyr Lakomov on Monday said Kashmir is an internal issue between Pakistan and India, however a referendum on pattern of recent Scottish referendum in Kashmir might resolve the issue.

While addressing a news conference here at the embassy the ambassador of Ukraine in Pakistan Volodymyr Lakomov observed that the ratification of an agreement by Ukrainian parliament to deepen economic and political ties with European Union will bring Ukraine to EU.

Elaborating further the, Lakomov observed, in the same time the EU Parliament also approved the historic document with 535 votes. He pointed out that Ukrainian President while addressing a recent sitting of US congress had mentioned that Ukrain is not having a war for her freedom, but was engaged in the battle for the regional peace and stability. The Ukrainian ambassador added further that Ukrainian Minister for Foreign Affairs Pavlo Klimkin has said that the idea of the Association Agreement between Ukraine and EU is perceived by Russia as an intrusion into the sphere if its interests. One of the best possibilities to guarantee Ukraine’s security is successful implementation of the Association Agreement, Volodymyr Lakomove stressed while quoting Pavlo Klimkin.

Volodymyr Lakomov while responding a question was of the view that after recent ceasefire agreement with Russian, the hundreds of ceasefire violations have been spotted by the Russians inside Ukraine. “We sought a moral support from Pakistan over the issue being a Ukraine’s friend,” Lakomov added further. He stated that his government was in continues contact with Pakistan’s Ministry for Foreign Affair over Russia-Ukraine issues. Over issue of recent referendum in Karimia, Ukrainian envoy termed the referendum as a joke saying as “With respect to NATO Secretary Generals’ statement on reported elections in the automomous Republic of Karimia, Ukraine, the Ukrainian side together with NATO do not recognize these elections.

He added that that it is obvious that Russia remains reluctant to enter the realm of international law and find a modality of peaceful coexistence with Ukraine. To a question he maintained that historically Ukrain remained part of Europe not the Russia and that is the reason it is moving a head towards European Union, although it will take few years to be part of EU. Responding another question he mentioned that that Kashmir is an internal issue between Pakistan and India, however a referendum on pattern of recent Scottish pattern in Kashmir could resolve the issue.—Online

http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=253041

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 24 Sep 2014 14:09

^^wait to see the direct quote. The Paks always make shite up. If he actually said that, chances are the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry will make a clarification soon enough.

On the other hand, when did Crimea become Muslim-majority Karimia?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 24 Sep 2014 19:32

Dipanker wrote:Just for comparison this is how China treats its separatists:

China jails Uighur scholar for life for ‘separatism’

The chinese have balls.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 24 Sep 2014 19:51

Their muslim population is also relatively small and concentrated to the West.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 24 Sep 2014 21:45

What happened to referendum for Baluchistan?

Is Pakistan talking about democracy now?

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 25 Sep 2014 02:44

anupmisra wrote:
Dipanker wrote:Just for comparison this is how China treats its separatists:

China jails Uighur scholar for life for ‘separatism’

The chinese have balls.

Pakis have balls too, they hunt down their separatists, recall the case of Bugti. ISI simply eliminates them, there is no jail term etc. Russia hunts them down even if they are hiding abroad.

Only India we serve them halwa-puri, treat them at the best hospital, and provide them Z level security.

These comparisons should be repeatedly drawn to these haramkhors in valley.

ravip · Post by **ravip** » 25 Sep 2014 12:09

Dipanker wrote:Pakis have balls too, they hunt down their separatists, recall the case of Bugti. ISI simply eliminates them, there is no jail term etc. Russia hunts them down even if they are hiding abroad.

Only India we serve them halwa-puri, treat them at the best hospital, and provide them Z level security.

These comparisons should be repeatedly drawn to these haramkhors in valley.

Seeing yasin makil's face it seems there something quiet a work like mil grade uranium in his tooth paste etc....