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Nick_S wrote:
karan_mc wrote:HAL likely to handover 1st batch of Tejas to IAF by next year

i am little confused here , weren't Tejas SP-1 and 2 , were supposed to fly by this year ?
Lol, they mean by 2016..... :rotfl:

LSP 7 hasnt even flown yet. These guys shouldnt be making any claims at all. :(
Perhaps you can help these guys. After-all aircraft building is such an easy job and those worthless guys at ADA/HAL are getting their salaries just for their attendance. Go ahead and suggest how to get the LSP-7 and NP-1 in the air and also suggest how to convince moulankar sir etc to fly them. Thanks in advance
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raghuk wrote: Perhaps you can help these guys. After-all aircraft building is such an easy job and those worthless guys at ADA/HAL are getting their salaries just for their attendance. Go ahead and suggest how to get the LSP-7 and NP-1 in the air and also suggest how to convince moulankar sir etc to fly them. Thanks in advance
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Edited to remove what may have felt like a direct attack on raghuk. That was not my intention. Just to be clear and put it on record my intention definitely was a criticism of HAL/ADA. There are way too many deadlines given and dates missed.

What gets my goat however is that while the services are free to be attacked, DRDO is treated as a holy cow never to be criticised. Any criticism is taken as a direct attack and there is a fear that people will take affront and disappear :eek:
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merlin wrote:
No need to act holier than thou. Just deliver when you state you will or don't give repeated dates and miss *every single one of them*. If jingoes are frustrated, image how the IAF and IN feel.

Real jingoes wouldn't treat the LCA like the Evil stepmother, sometimes its real easy to be "holier than thou."
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Come on guys

You want participation from people involved and then you treat them like this - they will be driven off

no matter how frustrated - you have to tone done.

You cannot take it on raghuk - I am sure the management of where you work makes a lot of statements too

you wouldn't like it when people take it on you???


You can use that with fellow armchair jingoes though :)
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No need to act holier than thou. Just deliver when you state you will or don't give repeated dates and miss *every single one of them*. If jingoes are frustrated, image how the IAF and IN feel.
It is easy for people to lose faith in the Tejas program and all the negativity surrounding it doesn't help the cause at all. How all the news items regarding the Tejas would carry one para at least, about how it has got delayed, is in making for 30 years, and how the services are unhappy. So the agencies would give estimated time. Also, would it help if there was no news at all? I am sure people here would get more frustrated with it and cry foul!
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raghu, please learn to ignore posts that do not add anything. your efforts are better used doing real stuff. when you have the time we will be happy if you update us on a thing or two.

if posts get too much to bear, do NOT engage, simply report the offending post(s) to the mods by pressing the red ! button.
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merlin wrote:[No need to act holier than thou. Just deliver when you state you will or don't give repeated dates and miss *every single one of them*. If jingoes are frustrated, image how the IAF and IN feel.
sarcastic message deleted.

Merlin that is an unkind thing to say. Please edit it out.
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Harinarayana, former Programme Director for the LCA project at ADA, also mooted integration of auto component companies with HAL.

"See, HAL should not manufacture from bottom to top..that is from pin to aircraft. Pins should be made by pin-specialist. HAL can concentrate on integration. The problem is, there are no Tier I and II companies (to support other products for the construction of an aircraft)..we have to bring in that technology and innovation.", he said.
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Finally some news about LSP-7. It looks like claim of HAL handing over first batch by next year may come true.

http://tarmak007.blogspot.com/2012/03/t ... -zone.html
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mayankdr wrote:Finally some news about LSP-7. It looks like claim of HAL handing over first batch by next year may come true.

http://tarmak007.blogspot.com/2012/03/t ... -zone.html
Anyone who reads/watches programs about flight incidents/accidents will have seen at least one episode that features an incident in an aircraft in which the following problem was discovered AFTER the aircraft went into service.
Express had reported earlier about a fuel leak on LSP-7, which forced the Aeronautical Development Agency(ADA)-HAL combo to ground the entire fleet. This had pushed the programme further behind the schedule by four-five months -- the time taken by designers and engineers in re-arranging the butting of fuel and hydraulic pipes to prevent them coming in contact.
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shiv wrote:
mayankdr wrote:Finally some news about LSP-7. It looks like claim of HAL handing over first batch by next year may come true.

http://tarmak007.blogspot.com/2012/03/t ... -zone.html
Anyone who reads/watches programs about flight incidents/accidents will have seen at least one episode that features an incident in an aircraft in which the following problem was discovered AFTER the aircraft went into service.
Express had reported earlier about a fuel leak on LSP-7, which forced the Aeronautical Development Agency(ADA)-HAL combo to ground the entire fleet. This had pushed the programme further behind the schedule by four-five months -- the time taken by designers and engineers in re-arranging the butting of fuel and hydraulic pipes to prevent them coming in contact.
The Kiran which when it turned up lead to the fuel bottoming out to the other side knocking out the engine cold. Goes to show the complexity involved even in designing the interiors of the fuel tank of an aircraft.
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mayankdr wrote:Finally some news about LSP-7. It looks like claim of HAL handing over first batch by next year may come true.

http://tarmak007.blogspot.com/2012/03/t ... -zone.html
Nice..notice the change at the base of the vertical fin? The intake design has been changed and smoothened out..drag reduction measure perhaps? Saw it on the Tejas Mk1 and 2 models at AI-11, but they've introduced it for Tejas Mk1 itself.

Someone in ADA obviously took that "kabaadi waala" comment by a certain Prof seriously..
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er, I dont see any intake opening at all? seems to be covered with a grey composite dome. perhaps its only a temporary cap?
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Singha wrote:er, I dont see any intake opening at all? seems to be covered with a grey composite dome. perhaps its only a temporary cap?
There is an intake opening..a very small one now

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Looks like it went through a lot of changes. Looks ready.

But why this hump if ram intake is gone.

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pandyan wrote:
So, who is providing the components today for Tejas? Why can't they show a nice contract and rope in private companies?

Too many chicken-egg scenarios
Yes. But in fact this business of inviting private participation has been on only for a decade or so now with increasing private involvement in stalls in Aero India. In fact last year, on this thread we discussed a news item where some HAL bigwig admitted that the biggest problem was going to be mass production of small (and larger) parts for the LCA production line rather than the one-off items that was being done for the prototypes. Obviously, if they get suppliers to do that and keep quality high and costs low then the problem is solved.

I think the use of the word "pin" is significant as is the mention of cost. High quality pins/small parts may cost a bomb if an investment in machinery has to be put in up front by any private company. HAL can't help here but GoI can help by giving soft loans and tax breaks to companies that are willing to invest in the machinery/floor space to make small parts. The investment will really pay off in MCA or FGFA, because the same factory can then continue to produce pins/rings for the next A/C.

The other unrelated issue is "transfer of technology". When we buy a Jag or a rafale, it was basically unprofitable to set up factories for every pin/ring. Either HAL had to set up a unit for that or it was imported wholesale. If the company in UK/France shut down or if sanctions were applied that small pin - the proverbial nail in the horse's shoe could ground a plane. So we need massive, ma-assive private involvement of small players to make thousands of little parts.
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Singha wrote:er, I dont see any intake opening at all? seems to be covered with a grey composite dome. perhaps its only a temporary cap?
Looks like a cover to me. I went to the Bengaluru place where they are making an armed forces memorial park and took photos of the resident MiG 23 there. Parrots were nesting in the gun port and the intakes.
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Sid wrote:Looks like it went through a lot of changes. Looks ready.

But why this hump if ram intake is gone.

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At the risk of being laughed at, could the hump be a satellite data-link now? I think the seams join too neatly for something removable, like a cover as Shiv ji suggests.
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Changes may be due to changes carried out to fix the Fuel leak issues , which might have seen changes in fuel piping internally , or i am totally wrong :D
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shiv wrote:
Singha wrote:er, I dont see any intake opening at all? seems to be covered with a grey composite dome. perhaps its only a temporary cap?
Looks like a cover to me. I went to the Bengaluru place where they are making an armed forces memorial park and took photos of the resident MiG 23 there. Parrots were nesting in the gun port and the intakes.
do you mean a cover that would be taken off when its about to fly? I don't think so. If they needed to cover the intake, it would only require a cap, not what appears to be a smoothened fairing.
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karan_mc wrote:Changes may be due to changes carried out to fix the Fuel leak issues , which might have seen changes in fuel piping internally , or i am totally wrong :D
IMO, the change that Sid pointed out is likely due to area ruling concerns. And the smoothening of the intake could have been done as a result of drag concerns
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Arun Menon wrote:
merlin wrote:
No need to act holier than thou. Just deliver when you state you will or don't give repeated dates and miss *every single one of them*. If jingoes are frustrated, image how the IAF and IN feel.

Real jingoes wouldn't treat the LCA like the Evil stepmother, sometimes its real easy to be "holier than thou."
Cool with me. You be the real jingo.
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IIRC, the Aero India 2011 model of Tejas Mk2 also showed it as a bump. Looks like this is a modification, not a temporary cover.
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shiv wrote:
merlin wrote:[No need to act holier than thou. Just deliver when you state you will or don't give repeated dates and miss *every single one of them*. If jingoes are frustrated, image how the IAF and IN feel.
sarcastic message deleted.

Merlin that is an unkind thing to say. Please edit it out.
Have edited what, on hindsight, may have looked like a direct attack on raghuk.

If you have my email id can you send that sarcastic message by email? :mrgreen:
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Q to gurus, lsp5 flew in battle colours would lsp7 have a coat of paint before it flies or will it fly in the yellow primer. One more q is why is the primer colour always yellow ? for visual check of fluid leaks ?
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LSP07 ready for first flight - Tarmak007
Pictures still in yellow
Auxillary air-intake is missing.
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Balle Balle -
But then - Can Gurus please enlighten why this Air Aux Intake is missing? Also any info on whats additional onboard LSP7 would be great.
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According to tarmak Gp Capt Venugopal is ready to make the first flight now

http://tarmak007.blogspot.com/2012/03/b ... 7-all.html
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This would be a nice Holi gift if successful.
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yellow primers are used to ensure corrosion protection of the aluminium airframe. al-li alloys in particular are very corrodable
not sure if the paints are naturally yellow due to their protective agents or are yellow to allow visual inspection of coverage and flaking - probably the latter
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LSP-7 lifts off!
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^Congrats to HAL-ADA team for this joyous occasion. Hope the sortie goes per plan and everything fits into its place.
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At last. Congratz. 8)
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RaghuK, Thanks for the News. :D. Please post again when it lands

All you guys near HAL airport, Bengaluru time to spot the bird in action
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MKI chase bird???
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CONGRATS!!!! :D
Thanks Raghuk for the update. And congratulations to you and all you team. I need pictures now. Are you with your camera there :D
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raghuk wrote:LSP-7 lifts off!
BRAVHO :D :D :D
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Another delta takes to the air....could be a mirage...not sure.
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Its my birthday tomorrow and couldn't have asked for a better gift from my employers! :D :D
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MKI was just a routine ASTE a/c (no more details on that). LSP-7 flew with no chase a/c and the lift off was as smooth and clean as anything else.
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