Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2011

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby Nihat » 02 Mar 2011 18:04

Lalmohan wrote:bhatti's killing may be a purely political hit, made to look like a blasphemy vigilante situation


Hardly Sirjee..

It seems a cold religious murder which will surely have political implications.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby Lalmohan » 02 Mar 2011 18:12

well, 2 abduls, small arms, discrete getaway, no surrender or proclamation, dissapearance or non-appearance of escort vehicles... its the same MO as brigadier hit from last year or year before
i.e. those who are annoying the ISI
wajib-ul-cutlet is a nice getaway clause
infact, davies should claim that the two men following him were blashpheming and he therefore felt compelled to take action!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby Vivek_A » 02 Mar 2011 18:33

Nutty Nation's extra nutty yarn of the week...

400 Indian, Israeli agents infiltrate CIA operating in Pakistan

LAHORE – Hundreds of especially-trained CIA contractors who worked closely with Indian intelligence agency RAW and Israel’s Mossad in the Middle East, Asia and Africa over the last two decades are covertly operating across Pakistan these days, The Nation reliably learnt on Tuesday.
Well-informed sources revealed that the Obama administration deployed more than 400 pro-India and pro-Israel CIA agents in 2010 in the big cities of the nuclear-armed country, including in Quetta, Peshawar, Lahore, Karachi and Islamabad.
Sources believed that the American spies with pro-India mindset had been deployed in Quetta to fuel militancy in the largest but poor province of Balochistan while the US operatives who worked with Israeli agents before 9/11 had been sent to the country’s insurgency-hit region bordering war-torn Afghanistan.
The Foreign Intelligence Estimates (FIE) cell of the CIA, which is responsible for training, brainwashing and recruiting individuals to launch intelligence networks outside the United States, had awarded special contracts to those security companies where the Indian and Israeli lobby is very strong.
Washington hired these contractors from private security companies like LLC, Xe services or Blackwater. Leading Indian and Israeli tycoons are secretly and heavily funding such companies to carry out clandestine operations in the Middle East, Asia and Africa as per their interests. Sources said that the US government had sent hundreds of Cobra operatives to Pakistan on a secret spy mission after the Indian and Israeli lobbies in Washington strongly recommended to the Obama administration that ‘these guys are quite fit to operate in the Af-Pak region”, sources said.
Most of the CIA contractors are double-agents, as on the one hand they are hired by the American CIA, but on the other, they are undercover personnel of the Indian and Israeli lobby and assigned with special tasks in different regions.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby Lilo » 02 Mar 2011 18:36

Neela wrote:How can he be pure when he plays kirket during daytime? We want him planning Jeehard during day as well. :twisted:

But this is absolutely fantastic. And you are right Lilo. Hopefully this will spark a spate of such killings .. Now we know there is little that is being done to Quadri and little will be done to this jihadi. That is motivation enough for the copycats.
How long before the the Amreekis are targeted?
I read somewhere that some 30 Amreekis have left TSP since the Davis incident.
Happy times ahead I say!

Found the link:
Post-Davis , 30 US spies halt covert mission, flee Pakistan


Neela , Alhamdulillah to that .

and as Sreedhar ji mentions more canadian vijjas are in order along with more gated communities to keep out the unwashed abduls out in POAK land for the RAPES.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby symontk » 02 Mar 2011 19:06

Diplomatic sources said that a strong debate has begun in Washington why the US awarded contracts to thousands of private agents when it has a trained military to carry out operations


I dont think editors in Nation understood the real meaning of that debate in US

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby vic » 02 Mar 2011 19:09

arun wrote:Is it appropriate in an “Islamic Republic” and “Ideological Muslim State” for a Minister, the Railway Minister in this case, to hold up kaafir efforts as worthy of emulation?:

“Provide us 400 engines and then if we fail to deliver, I may be subjected to accountability and I shall be ready for the consequences. You expect us to follow the Indians. How can we make railways a profitable entity in the given grim situation? India has invested massively from 1997 to 2005 in the railways and this has enabled it to not only stand on its own feet, but to generate billions of rupees revenue,” he contended.

He pointed out that on the one hand, India had envisaged in the new budget dollar 12.7 billion investment in its railways, while on the other hand, the Government of Pakistan was not prepared to spare a few billions to keep the trains on tracks. He added the Indian Railways would be adding another 68 passenger trains to its massive fleet, which already had 8,300 locomotives at its disposal.

The News



Each Paki loco is = to 10 SDRE locos and Pak is 10 times smaller, so Piggistan needs only 83 locos for whole of satanisatan

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby menon s » 02 Mar 2011 20:06

Tehrik-e-Taliban spokesman Ahsanullah Ahsan claims responsibility for Minorities Minister Shahbaz Bhatti's assassination. says he was killed because as a christian and Kaffir he should not have questioned the blasphemy law in the first place.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby arun » 02 Mar 2011 20:43

SSridhar wrote:Sherry Rehman must get a Canadian Visa *now". She is surely next.


:wink: Shehrbano Rehman is certainly next though the efficacy of a visa for Canada seems to have gone down since the Mukhtaran Mai incident during the Musharraf dictatorship. A Canadian Visa did not help Shahbaz Bhatti and he certainly had one no later then last month when he visited Canada:

Bhatti for strong ties with Canada

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby menon s » 02 Mar 2011 20:49

No Country for Good Men.
http://newsweekpakistan.com/scope/260
The contents of the pamphlet left by Shabaz Bhattis killers.
"This is a warning from the warriors of Islam to all the world's infidels, Crusaders, Jews and their operatives within the Muslim brotherhood," it reads, "especially the head of Pakistan's infidel system, [President Asif Ali] Zardari, his ministers, and all the institutions of this evil system." This document from the Punjabi Taliban continues: "In your fight against Allah, you have become so bold that you act in favor of and support those who insult the Prophet. And you put a cursed Christian infidel Shahbaz Bhatti in charge of [the blasphemy laws review] committee. This is the fate of that cursed man. And now, with the grace of Allah, the warriors of Islam will pick you out one by one and send you to hell, God willing."


His 88-year-old father had a heart attack when he heard of Taseer's killing on Jan. 4. He died a week later. "He knew that I was very close to Taseer and [that] I am also the target of extremists, so he could not bear that,"

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby arun » 02 Mar 2011 20:50

menon s wrote:Tehrik-e-Taliban spokesman Ahsanullah Ahsan claims responsibility for Minorities Minister Shahbaz Bhatti's assassination. says he was killed because as a christian and Kaffir he should not have questioned the blasphemy law in the first place.


That is correct, the Taliban is claiming the kill.

X Posting from the Oppression of Minorities in Pakistan thread the link to a BBC article saying the same:

Pakistan Minorities Minister Shahbaz Bhatti shot dead

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby ramana » 02 Mar 2011 21:02

chetak wrote:
Rangudu wrote:I agree with CRS. Guys like K.P.Nayar suffer from a chronic and reflexive anti-Americanism arising perhaps from an anti-colonialist upbringing.


Not to mention anti Indian-ism when supporting the purelanders.



Thats a different (WKK) KP Nayar! This one is Telegraph reporter in DC.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby ramana » 02 Mar 2011 21:10

Qadrification ie justifying killing using blashmemy takleef is underway.

Also about the David Ignatius WaPo article seeking to invoke Islamic practices, isn't that against separation of Church and State in US? In other words how can a secular US govt inovke Islamic law abroad?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby Neela » 02 Mar 2011 21:19

General question to the learned folks here:

Why hasn't there been a consistent effort by the various TTPs, JuD types to target Amreekis? Is it because the Americans travel with firepower and lots of security? Do we have any pictures of such a convoy?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby ramana » 02 Mar 2011 21:23

Are you serious? How long have you been on the forum?

JuD is a ISI front for ops in India.

TTP is a Pashtun front for ops in Pakjab to reduce pressure in FATA/WANA.

And the ISI charge in the RD case is he was having contacts with these guys!

One thing I am wondering is after clearing out the covert operatives in TSP, will the ISI now target their cohort in India monitoring the Mumbai underworld nexus in guise of religious workers?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby Singha » 02 Mar 2011 21:31

AP:

Frankfurt, Germany —
Police say a gunman fired shots at U.S. soldiers on a bus outside Frankfurt airport, killing two people and wounding two before being taken into custody.

Frankfurt police spokesman Manfred Fuellhardt says the attack Wednesday afternoon came as the bus sat outside Terminal 2 at the airport. He said the two killed were the bus driver and a passenger, and that one person suffered serious wounds and one light injuries.

He could not confirm whether any of the casualties were U.S. military personnel.

The U.S. Army Europe said it had no immediate information on the incident but was checking it. The U.S. military has several major bases in the Frankfurt region, often used as a logistical hub for operations in Afghanistan or Iraq.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby arun » 02 Mar 2011 21:37

arun wrote:A rather pathetic performance by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan in rescuing its citizens from the turmoil in Libya. The contempt in which the ordinary Abdul’s and Ayesha’s are held by the elites in full display in this pathetic effort:

Foreign Office not losing sleep over expatriates’ fate

Meanwhile the Indian rescue effort proceeds smoothly:

India unveils Operation Safe Homecoming, thousands on way


More display of the contempt of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan elites for their ordinary Abdul’s and Ayesha’s.

The Islamic Republic Pakistan’s Foreign Office seeks to take credit for the efforts of a Turkish construction company that has repatriated their Pakistani employees from Libya :roll: :

Foreign Office takes undue credit for evacuation

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby suryag » 02 Mar 2011 22:25

Going by the rate at which more faithfools are killing the less faithfools in pukestan, we should probably start a thread "oppression of pseudo liberal faithfools in paikhastan"

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby archan » 02 Mar 2011 23:00

ramana wrote:Qadrification ie justifying killing using blashmemy takleef is underway.

ArmenT, what do you think about the term?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby Lalmohan » 02 Mar 2011 23:02

then what of "quadrophenia"?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby ramana » 02 Mar 2011 23:22

LM what is phenia? Is it a latin root meaning something?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby Prem » 02 Mar 2011 23:38

LalMullah, Phenia are availabe onlee at Diwali time.
Now Bhatti got his Chhutti, the reign of RODANT= Religion Of Death ANd Torment is nigh. Keep the Abb-e-Hyaatt and popcorn ready to watch Poak-corn popping all over Paw-kerstan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby Sushupti » 03 Mar 2011 00:00

Pak on the brink of chaos
http://www.timesnow.tv/Debate-Pak-on-th ... 366778.cms

Jaffer hila-ley worth listening :rotfl:


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby MurthyB » 03 Mar 2011 00:47

A_Gupta wrote:On the chaighar:
"Right now I am listening to Aaj Tv, which by Pakistani standards will actually be considered as “moderate”. Can you believe what I am hearing? I am actually hearing that this murder is a grand conspiracy to defame Pakistan and that this horrific incidence is linked with Raymond Davis!!"


Nobody is blinder than them who refuse to see.


It's all Gandhi's fault.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby MurthyB » 03 Mar 2011 01:05

Honestly, I am quite shocked by Bhatti's asassination. I thought it was going to be Sherry Rehman next. That's the confounding thing about Pakistan: just when you think you know the place, you get one that swings away from you...This is obviously where even the Paki cricket team gets its delightful unpredictablity from.

Anyway, here is what some RAPish military brats that live it up on the deaf and dumb forum are saying:

So why wasnt he provided with security if he was recieving 'threats' ? And why didnt he say so?

I have some christian employees here in Isbd who claim that this guy was a 'Sharab supplier' and a top one too who had many places run by his relatives and he used to ensure that the Christians here in Isbd 'dealt' with the alcohol 'smoothly'. :rotfl:

Anyhow if this was a religious killing; then we have to wait and see what he said about the Blasphemy law and IF it violates the Shariat law, then i would support his killing :mrgreen: . And IF he's innocent and didnt violate the limits, i would feel sorry for the guy and propose that the minorities be given the rights , just like our Prophet SAW allowed at his time.........

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby saip » 03 Mar 2011 01:05

^^^

I visited that deaf and dumb forum and that is what they are saying too. Everything is connected to USA, CIA, RAW, Mossad, and now Raymond Davis!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby Sudip » 03 Mar 2011 01:19

Forget canadian vijja, seems like the latest escape zone is the next door neighbour!!

Sherry Rehman next on Pakistan militants' hitlist, friends fear

Rehman, is currently in New Delhi, visiting the Indian capital for a conference, in a rare public appearance. Since Taseer was gunned down by his guard outside an Islamabad cafe on 4 January she has lived in near hiding. She spent most of January holed up inside her Karachi home, surrounded by police and advised by senior government ministers to flee Pakistan lest she be assassinated.


In February she flew to Bangkok for a meeting on Pakistan-India relations; then more recently to the Indian capital. But at home in Pakistan she is largely absent from public life.


She flies to Islamabad discreetly – once on a friend's private jet – but dares not appear in parliament. Her movements have become secret, highlighting how a vibrant voice has been silenced by intolerant forces some warn could entirely suffocate Pakistan's fragile democracy.


Or could it be that the canadian vijja was denied :mrgreen:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby Anujan » 03 Mar 2011 01:52

A_Gupta wrote:On the chaighar:
"Right now I am listening to Aaj Tv, which by Pakistani standards will actually be considered as “moderate”. Can you believe what I am hearing? I am actually hearing that this murder is a grand conspiracy to defame Pakistan and that this horrific incidence is linked with Raymond Davis!!"


Nobody is blinder than them who refuse to see.


A deep strategic analysis along these lines have already been made in the BENIS dhaaga. Aaj TV is ripping off BENIS?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby Bhima » 03 Mar 2011 01:57

saip wrote:I visited that deaf and dumb forum and that is what they are saying too. Everything is connected to USA, CIA, RAW, Mossad, and now Raymond Davis!


Amongst the headline faults of the Pakistani psyche I would rate a lack of accepting personal responsibility as number 1.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby Brad Goodman » 03 Mar 2011 02:05

PHOTOS: CUSTOMS AGENTS SEIZE $125K AT O'HARE

Federal agents seized more than $125,000 in undeclared U.S. currency at O'Hare Airport on Tuesday from a family that was traveling to Pakistan.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers selected the family, which was traveling to Pakistan on Etihad Airlines, for an outbound currency verification examination, a release from the agency said.


While it is not a crime to carry more than $10,000, it is a federal offense not to declare currency or monetary instruments totaling $10,000 or more upon entry or exit from the United States. Failure to declare may result in seizure of the currency and possibly arrest.

An individual may petition for return of seized currency, but must prove the source and intended use of the currency was legitimate.



How can a paki do that I smell kanspiracy already here :evil:

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Postby Brad Goodman » 03 Mar 2011 02:12

Hillary cautions Congress not to cut Pakistan aid

WASHINGTON: US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton urged Congress on Tuesday not to cut US aid to Pakistan as lawmakers raised concerns about continued incarceration of a CIA contractor in Lahore.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby Brad Goodman » 03 Mar 2011 02:20

New War Ahead: China-Pakistan vs. U.S.A.
American Source so thought might be interesting to post
China has been deploying thousands of soldiers in the strategic Gilgit-Baltistan, a mountainous area in northern Pakistan, and a region historically contested by Pakistan, India and its inhabitants.


The presence of the Chinese People's Liberation Army [PLA] in the contested Gilgit-Baltistan region, where a nascent revolt against the Pakistani rule is taking place, constitutes the direct involvement of Beijing in the dispute over Kashmir, making any future understanding between Pakistan and India more difficult, and can only arouse a new and serious rift between New Delhi and Beijing


According to Mumtaz Khan, director for the International Centre of Peace and Democracy in Toronto, many Western analysts who view China's stance merely as a bargaining chip against India will unfortunately soon realize that China is redefining its priorities and interests in South Asia and beyond. "The current involvement of China in Gilgit-Baltistan and Pakistan administered Kashmir consists of more than just providing military and diplomatic support to Pakistan. Soon, Pakistan will swap its role to take the backseat as China exerts itself as a major player in the Kashmir issue" and maybe also in Afghani one.


New York Times reported that two major developments are taking place there: a rebellion against the Pakistani rule, and the influx of an estimated 7,000 to 11,000 soldiers of the PLA


What are we doing here no noise in our media at all on this

The possible scenarios coming out of the present situation are also dangerous. A deterioration of the relations between the U.S. and Pakistan over the war in Afghanistan could lead to a direct confrontation -- in which event, the involvement of the giant China, as Pakistan's ally, might be inevitable. The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) reports that already a delegation of the Chinese Army visited the Pakistan-Afghan Border last October[5].


AoA waiting for that golden day

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby Ravi Karumanchiri » 03 Mar 2011 02:36

The TSP is in chaos, and the Pakistani state is weak. America is tiring and they have plans to leave the region. The Chinese, predictably, see this as an opportunity to 'move in'.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby Stan_Savljevic » 03 Mar 2011 02:56

ramana wrote:Thats a different (WKK) KP Nayar! This one is Telegraph reporter in DC.

The one you have in mind is Kuldeep Nayyar.

This is KP Nayar, a diplomatic editor for the Telegraph and a Mallu.
http://www.rhsmith.umd.edu/ciber/events ... -bios.aspx
His columns are usually decent to read, unlike the puke of Kuldeep Nayyar. He is like Sid Varadarajan, has some connections with the South Block and yaks aforehand meditations inside the diplomatic corps.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby MurthyB » 03 Mar 2011 03:36

BTW, maybe we should start a betting pool on who would be wajib-ul-cattle #3. I am still thinking Rehman.

I see Lalmohan's "Quadrophenia", and posit a "Who's next".

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby ramana » 03 Mar 2011 04:10

Pioneer Op-Ed....

CIA Rambo Runs Amok

CIA's Rambo runs amok
March 03, 2011 4:33:33 AM

G Parthasarathy

With tensions mounting between Pakistan and the US over the Raymond Davis affair, the flaws in America's AfPak policy have become more glaring than before.

It could well have been a scene from a Sylvester Stallone ‘Rambo’ thriller. The ‘good guy’ is ‘Rambo’ Raymond Davis, a Special Forces sharpshooter-turned-CIA agent, sent to eliminate ‘bad guy’ terrorists in ‘major non-NATO ally’ Pakistan. ‘Rambo’ Raymond Davis is followed by two ‘bad guys’ through the shady areas of Lahore on January 27. The ‘bad guys’ are actually ISI agents assigned to trail ‘Rambo’ Raymond Davis, who has been eliminating the agency’s jihadi and Taliban assets in Pakistani terrorist badlands, including in the tribal areas straddling the AfPak border. The ISI stalkers draw their pistols and move towards ‘Rambo’ Raymond Davis’s car. He draws his trusty six-shooter and brings down the two ‘bad guys’. He then radios for help and an American Consulate car rushes to the scene, with the rescuers running over a pedestrian while driving the wrong way on a one-way street. ‘Rambo’ Raymond Davis is overpowered and jailed. All hell breaks loose between the two ‘major non-NATO allies’.

The American version of the status of Mr Davis is that he holds a diplomatic passport and was issued a visa after being designated a ‘regional affairs officer’ — an euphemism for his being a CIA operative — with his background known to the hosts. He was also listed as ‘administrative and technical staff’ which entitles him to diplomatic immunity. According to the Pakistanis, Mr Davis is actually an employee of the private security agency, Hyperion Protective Consultants. Oddly, while the Americans insist Mr Davis is an embassy employee, the US State Department spokesman has described him as a “(Lahore) Consulate employee”. Amid these flip-flops by the Obama Administration, former Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureishi, who had avoided a scheduled visit to Munich, evidently fearing that he was on the verge of being fired, joined issue immediately after he lost his job. Mr Qureishi claimed his Ministry had carried out a detailed study and concluded that Mr Davis was not entitled to diplomatic immunity. :mrgreen:

These developments have come just when Pakistan’s politics is becoming increasingly volatile. The Zardari Government in Islamabad does not want hassles in Pakistan’s relations with the US. The issue would have been settled and Mr Davis quietly repatriated to the US if the incident had taken place in the Federal Capital Area, where President Asif Ali Zardari controls the police. But, Lahore is not the federal capital. Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif has shown no inclination of making life easy for Mr Zardari. After easing Mr Zardari’s Pakistan People’s Party out of the ruling coalition in Punjab, moves will be initiated to get his brother, Mr Nawaz Sharif, back as Pakistan’s Prime Minister. Mr Nawaz Sharif knows that his PML(N) will sweep the polls in any national election. The Sharif brothers also have no inhibitions in being seen to be supportive of the growing anti-Americanism in Pakistan. Mr Shahbaz Sharif has funded Hafiz Saeed’s Jamaat-ud-Dawa’h after it was declared an international terrorist organisation. The Punjab Police has swiftly arrested and charged Mr Davis with murder, knowing that the judiciary headed by Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry is virulently anti-Zardari. The Lahore High Court has deferred the case till March 14. In the meantime, Mr Davis sleeps in a Lahore jail despite assertions by US President Barack Obama that he enjoys diplomatic immunity and should be released.

Stirring this boiling cauldron is the all-powerful Pakistani Army chief, General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, and his ever-loyal ISI chief, now under extension, Lt General Ahmed Shuja Pasha. There has been no love lost between the CIA and the ISI in recent days. The CIA is furious that its base in the Khost Province of Afghanistan, near the AfPak border, was attacked and destroyed by jihadis from across the Durand Line. Tensions between the two intelligence agencies escalated when the ISI leaked the identity of the CIA Station Chief then working undercover in Pakistan. Moreover, Mr Davis was undermining the ISI by establishing his own links to eliminate the jihadis in the Pashtun tribal areas along the AfPak border. Worse still, he was evidently attempting to undermine and infiltrate the citadel of the ‘holiest of the holies’ the Lashkar-e Tayyeba and the Patron Saint of the ISI, the redoubtable Hafiz Mohammed Saeed. The Pakistani Army quietly joined the chorus seeking to push the Americans into a corner and force them to offer concessions, even though Gen Kayani does not exactly love fellow Punjabi Nawaz Sharif. What the Americans, like some in South Block, have failed to acknowledge is that Gen Kayani believes that the US needs Pakistan just now more than Islamabad needs Washington, DC. He evidently feels that the Americans will blink first, which they show every inclination of doing, in this standoff.

The Davis affair is a manifestation of the larger malaise affecting the transactional US-Pakistan relationship. Thanks to some adept diplomacy by India, the Obama Administration soon gave up the thoughtless proposal mooted by Pakistani author Ahmed Rashid that the US should actively involve itself in meddling in the issue of Jammu & Kashmir by appointing Mr Bill Clinton as a Special Envoy. Moreover, its initial honeymoon with China soon led to estrangement, accentuated by the global economic downturn. The realisation dawned in Washington that New Delhi would be a useful partner in fashioning an inclusive Asian architecture for security and cooperation. While Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and his bureaucrats have been constantly moaning that the Americans are not treating them ‘equally’ with India and denying them a nuclear deal, Gen Kayani appears hell bent on giving the US a difficult time by providing support and haven to the ‘Quetta Shura’ headed by Mullah Omar and to the Taliban’s Haqqani network.

American diplomacy in Afghanistan also needs review. Afghan President Hamid Karzai disagrees with American policies and is meeting Lt Gen Shuja Pasha regularly, seeking Pakistani cooperation for ‘reconciliation’ with the Taliban. The Americans have not evolved a coherent strategy of how to get the Taliban to renounce violence and abide the Afghan Constitution. Nor is there confidence that the Afghan National Army will develop the capabilities to overcome Taliban depredations by 2014. The realisation has to dawn that terrorist safe havens in Pakistan cannot be eliminated unless the US reduces its dependence on Pakistani logistical support and fashions alternative logistical arrangements with Russia and Afghanistan’s Central Asian neighbours. Only then can the international community evolve viable policies for governance within Afghanistan and ensure that the AfPak border is no longer what Admiral Mike Mullen has called “the epicentre of global terrorism”.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby A_Gupta » 03 Mar 2011 04:26

What will the effect on India be of the Pak-occupied areas of Raja Hari Singh's former Kingdom being absorbed into China? Will it help end the J&K separatism?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby A_Gupta » 03 Mar 2011 04:38

http://criticalppp.com/archives/41622
Quoting the parts that made most sense to me:

While right wing (Jamaat-e-Islami) proxies are terming the murder as a ploy to distract attention from the Raymond Davis case, the pseudo-“liberal” writers are not any better. This is what Cyril Almeida wrote (via Twitter):

PPP thought surrendering to extremist demands would help. It doesn’t.

Really, Mr. Almeida? You think khakis and their proxies kill those who surrender!!

The Deep State continues to protects Jihadi-sectarian organizations like LeT, SSP, JeM, HuJI and LeJ. While the UN has declared Hafiz Saeed as a terrorist, Pakistan’s Jihadi Judiciary has freed him to hold rallies & give interviews and share the stage with prominent right-wing media don, Majeed Nizami and the senior leadership of PML N and PTI; Imran Khan’s ISI-backed political party.

In spite of dossiers of evidence, especially in the wake of the Mumbai attacks, the Supreme court freed Hafiz Saeed on the basis of “insufficient evidence”; an understanding that does not apply to the lynching of the PPP leadership. This is the same judiciary and its establishment backers like Aitzaz Ahsan, which is considered sacred by many of the pseudo-liberal members of Pakistan ’s Fake Civil Society.

The only segment that Pakistan ’s chattering elites love to crucify is the PPP. They do this because they lack the moral integrity and the courage to every call out the actual perpetrators, backers and supporters of Pakistan ’s Jihadi factories. Furthermore the financial interests of this group are tied in with the Deep State.

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Why is it only the PPP and ANP who are ‘chosen’ to be killed by the right wing proxies of the state and then their own parties are maligned by the liberal proxies of Pakistan’s fake civil society!

The right wing Jamaat-e-Islam spin is that this murder is a CIA/PPP plot to distract from Raymond Davis; the fake civil society line is that he was murdered because PPP surrendered to the mullahs. Both the right wing and pseudo left-liberals are carefully obscuring the role of the Deep State ;

Both dishonest narratives are fatal for Pakistan and its people.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby A_Gupta » 03 Mar 2011 04:42

Nadeem Paracha:
http://criticalppp.com/archives/41650

Forget the state, the government and the law. One never knows where they stand on anything anyway. The government is weak and is more interested in its own Machiavellian survival, blackmailed into further submission and paranoia by an anarchic, double-talking group of allies and an opposition still stuck in limbo between Riyadh and Raiwind!

And the state? Well, what can be expected from a state that has a history of both creating and hosting exactly the kind of faith-driven lunacy each and every Pakistani is now engulfed in?

For years a convoluted narrative has been circulated by the state, the clergy, schools and now the electronic media: i.e. Pakistan was created in the name of Islam (read, a theocratic state). Thus, only Muslims (mainly orthodox Sunnis) have the right to rule, run and benefit from this country. ‘Minority’ religions and ‘heretical Islamic sects’, who are citizens of Pakistan are not to be trusted. They need to be isolated constitutionally, socially and culturally.

What else? Yes, parliamentary democracy too cannot be trusted. It unleashes ethnic forces, ‘corruption’ and undermines the role of the military and that of Islam in the state’s make-up. It threatens the ‘unity’ of the country; a unity based on a homogeneous understanding of Islam (mainly concocted by the state and its right-wing allies). Most of our political, economic and social ills are due to the diabolical conspiracies hatched by our many enemies.

Now the same state is struggling to control the glorified monsters that it created. These monsters have no fear of their creator. The state is hapless and stunned; only good to play silly games with its subjects. The Pakistani state is not grounded in reality. In fact it is not grounded at all. It is a fantasy that has now started to rot and look redundant. It is a 63-year-old daydream about being pious, just and strong. And yet it has been anything but.

No one trusts the Pakistani state anymore – ironically not even those who want to make Pakistan look and sound macho, ghiaratmand and devout.
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It seems as though Pakistan’s survival can only be justified by the number of enemies we can concoct. As if there is no honour in being a country that does not have or cannot make any enemies. The whole ‘jihad’ industry that we have constructed, the fatwah factories and an army of twisted apologists, their performance and credibility is measured by the number of ‘enemies’ they can either kill or pinpoint.
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We do not debate. We only react and then huddle up behind our flimsy and lopsided historical and national narratives about ‘Pakistaniat’. We manifest our destiny as conquering Muslims, cursing the world for our ills, looking out for ‘infidels’ and ‘heretics’ among us, or for scapegoats in the shape of media-constructed punching bags.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby Prem » 03 Mar 2011 05:19

Pakistan is a State governed by the fear of the irrational clergy and even more irrational extremist organisations, says B Raman
http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 110302.htm
At a time when winds of change have been sweeping across many Islamic countries with calls for greater freedom and democracy, winds of hatred continue to sweep across Pakistan.Pakistan, which has over the years become a breeding ground of beliefs of the most irrational and extreme kind, is helpless in the face of these winds of hatred. These winds have distorted Islam beyond recognition and provided a breeding ground for extremism and Jihadi terrorism of various hues. More murders and crimes of various kinds are committed in Pakistan than in any other Muslim nation of the world.Unless and until the breeding grounds of hatred from where these winds rise are eliminated, extremism and terrorism will continue to find nourishment in the soil of Pakistan. No amount of change in the other Islamic countries, through which the winds of change have been sweeping, would provide relief to the rest of the world from the scourge of extremism and jihadi terrorism. It is a plague over which the State of Pakistan has no control.Earlier, only insulting the Holy Prophet was considered an act of blasphemy. Now, even criticising the law is treated as an act of blasphemy by extremist elements who do not hesitate to kill anyone doing so.


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