Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2011

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby sum » 07 Mar 2011 09:14

Narrow escape for Pak minister

A sitting provincial minister of the Mutthaida Qaumi Movement party narrowly escaped death after unknown assailants opened fire at him in Pakistan's Hyderabad city, police said.

Zubair Khan was standing outside his residence last night in old Hyderabad city when miscreants on motorcycles fired bursts at him as he hastily went back into the house, they said.

"The attackers escaped after the security guards of the minister retaliated at them," they added.

The incident drew sharp reactions from the MQM central coordination committee which called upon the government to immediately take notice of the incident and arrest the culprits.

"The government must take note of this serious incident where another minister has been targeted, the people behind this attempt must be arrested immediately," MQM chief Altaf Hussain said from London.

This is the second attempt on a sitting MQM provincial Assembly member as last year Raza Haider was shot dead outside a mosque in Nazimabad, leading to widescale violence in Karachi.

Haider was in Nazimabad on August 10 to attend the funeral of a relative when six unidentified gunmen opened fire at him. The violence that followed his death had killed over 50 people.

Another neta misses his 72...

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Postby sum » 07 Mar 2011 13:43

ISI media division in full flow ( with liberal help from our own secular UPA-II vote bank politics):
Ad in Pak dailies asks India to explain Samjhauta blast

A hitherto unheard of organisation on Monday published advertisements in Pakistani newspapers calling on India to offer an "explanation" for purportedly denying justice to the victims of the 2007 bombing of the Samjhauta Express cross-border train.

The quarter-page advertisement, issued by the 'Samjhota Affectees Action Committee', appeared in several leading newspapers.

Some dailies, including 'The News', carried the advertisement on their front pages.

"Secular India owes an explanation to the world," said the advertisement, which featured an image of women and a child crying against the backdrop of a burning train.

The advertisement also featured an image of an armed Indian soldier.

"Justice denied anywhere diminishes justice everywhere," the advertisement said.

Referring to the "Samjhota Massacre", it added: "When 68 passengers of the Lahore-bound Samjhota Express were torched and burnt into ashes on the Indian soil."

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby chiragAS » 07 Mar 2011 14:45

shiv wrote:
chiragAS wrote:
i say blow their printing press.. before we have more Fake notes than real notes..


Well we import our paper, we import the ink, we get some things printed abroad (UK) - at least that was what I last read. Unless we start making foolproof RFID notes in India Pakis will have a ball. Maybe the smaller denomination notes wil be more expensive than the paper they are printed on. But that may not be a problem. I don;t know for sure.


RFIDs.. Hope so.. but untill then some cheap OFB bumbs here and there will be helpful.

OT Saar was hoping to get a updated version of the P F State. the last was updated in 2007 if i am not wrong.
some folks around me needs some education. and nothing beats P F state :mrgreen:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby Narad » 07 Mar 2011 15:20

Groper trying his best to maintain R&D among mangoes

Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani on Monday said Pakistan was a responsible state :eek: and could not wage war over drone attacks, :(( DawnNews reported.

Prime Minister Gilani said Pakistan was employing diplomatic means to stop drone attacks. :shock:

Gilani said he was warning terrorists :!: to mend their ways and reiterated that religious minorities were an integral part of Pakistan. :twisted:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby Sudip » 07 Mar 2011 16:14

Pak legislator migrated to India willingly: PPP


The trickle of humanity from hell has begun.
Lets have a poll on how many years it would take for the trickle to turn into a torrent.

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Postby Sumeet » 07 Mar 2011 17:20

UK keeps eyes shut as ISI uses turf to hit India

LONDON: Britain has been turning a blind eye to Pakistan's ISI's activities including a virulent targeting of India for the fear of losing its counter-terrorism cooperation on British soil, a source said.

"Please, could I ask you to re-direct your enquiry to the home office,'' a British foreign office spokesperson said, while the home office did not respond to TOI's queries on ISI's activities in the UK.

ISI's operations in Britain are among the most comprehensive outside Pakistan and draw heavily from the support of a million strong Pakistani community in the UK. There are at least three ISI agents posted at London's Pakistani High Commission as diplomats with the British government's knowledge . There are likely to be more at consulates in Birmingham and other places.

A Whitehall source said MI5 and MI6 — the UK's internal and external intelligence gathering agencies — are even aware of Lashkar-e-Taiba activities in the country. The British government has designated the LeT as a terrorist organisation and banned it. Britain's counter-terrorism officials are aware that the LeT receives assistance and protection from the ISI. Yet, the British authorities continue to soft-pedal on the ISI.

A recent interview of a Pakistani-descent taxi driver, Mohammed Adris, to the Derby Evening Telegraph was a typical example of ISI's tactics. Adris poured out his heart out about the alleged ill-treatment of Kashmiris. He said this was not first hand knowledge, but gathered from Pakistani newspapers and friends. "The Indian army has ruined people's lives in Kashmir. They kill young people,'' Adris told the newspaper. "It's not a Muslim country. There is no freedom for M u s l i m s there. My friends' families don't know whether, when they go to the mosque to pray, they will be killed because the army thinks they are terrorists.''

Adris was among a group of Pakistanis, who organised an ISI-encouraged conference in Derby for British MPs and members of the European Parliament (MEPs) to highlight the alleged plight of Kashmir last month. It was also aimed at persuading Pakistani Kashmiris to get involved in British politics. Derby in central England has a large Pakistani population.

The Telegraph reported that an English-origin councillor came back from the meeting with the impression that they felt a "very oppressed people''.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby chiragAS » 07 Mar 2011 18:24

While their PM writes about Vedanta deal and stuff..
why can't our PM write about LeT and stuff..
(GOI needs to be more proactive now.)

Have lived there in past , and i tell you there are more people from TSP than original people from Q Land now.
(IMHO)
The misinfomation campaign done by TSP is terrific.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby saip » 07 Mar 2011 20:14

Sudip wrote:Pak legislator migrated to India willingly: PPP


The trickle of humanity from hell has begun.
Lets have a poll on how many years it would take for the trickle to turn into a torrent.


And I was reading this in Dawn:
The forgotten prayers of a people
"http://www.dawn.com/2011/01/05/the-forgotten-prayers-of-a-people.html"
And what do I find (atleast in my browser) -- an Ad for conversion

How to Convert to Islam
How to convert and become a Muslim with Live Help by chat
"www.IslamReligion.com"

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Postby arun » 07 Mar 2011 20:57

The BBC World Service along with Globe Scan and PIPA has released a poll on views about the influence of countries, namely if it is positive or negative.

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan has done particularly poorly and is third from the bottom :

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What is particularly interesting is that opinion in Taller Then the Himalaya’s and Deeper than the Ocean’s friend of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the Peoples Republic of China, rates India both higher as a positive influence and lower as a negative influence than the Islamic Republic.

The PRC’s ranking of Pakistan is here

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The PRC’s ranking of India is here:

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Read it all:

Positive Views of Brazil on the Rise in 2011 BBC Country Rating Poll

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby arun » 07 Mar 2011 21:20

Anujan wrote:Little birdie tells me that Fauzia Wahab's son was goat-napped and bundled into a car. Car went 100 Kms, ran out of petrol. Couldnt find a petrol station to fill because of Petrol station strike. So yahoos had to abandon the car and run.

Waji-Bull-Cattle escaped. {Snipped} .................


That was indeed the case:

Fozia Wahab’s son escapes kidnapping attempt

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby arun » 07 Mar 2011 21:30

Chai Shop frequenters may enjoy this :wink: .

Sadanand Dhume in the Wall Street Journal in an article titled “Confronting the Myth of 'Moderate Pakistan' “ :

It's time to bury the myth of moderate Pakistan. You know the one: the notion, repeated ad nauseam in magazine articles, think-tank reports and Congressional testimony—as though saying it often enough will make it true—that Pakistan is an essentially tolerant country threatened by a rising tide of fundamentalism.



Islamist parties may not garner large-scale electoral support, but Islamist ideas are widely tolerated by mainstream political parties.


For the international community, then, the long road to fixing Pakistan begins with the simple recognition that the country's true face is not the urbane intellectual making reasoned arguments, but the frenzied mob showering rose petals on a murderer for his services to the faith.


I expect that those originating in the Islamic Republic of Pakistani will shortly be swarming all over the comment section attached to the article :lol: .

Read it all:

Confronting the Myth of 'Moderate Pakistan'
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby kenop » 07 Mar 2011 21:33

The Wahji-Bull-Cattle is called narrow as per the report.
The report talks about looting and goat-napping. Can't say if the real story is being reported. Maybe, it is just Pinglish.
KARACHI: Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) leader Fozia Wahab’s son narrow escaped a kidnapping attempt late on Sunday night, Geo News reported.

According to the sources, unidentified armed man abducted Barrister Murtaza Akram, son of Fozia Wahab, from D A Scheme 1. On the way the kidnappers left Murtaza on Super Highway after looting him when the car stopped owing to end of fuel.

Talking to Geo News, Fauzia Wahab said that unidentified kidnappers attempted to abduct his son. Police has been reported about the incident, she added.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby JE Menon » 07 Mar 2011 21:37

Boss it's subscription article... only first two paras visible...

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Postby vera_k » 07 Mar 2011 21:42

^^

Paste title into Google search box and click on the link in the results.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby RajeshA » 07 Mar 2011 22:53

Published on Mar 07, 2011
By Sadanand Dhume
Confronting the Myth of 'Moderate Pakistan'

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Postby JE Menon » 07 Mar 2011 23:16

Tx guys...

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Postby Brad Goodman » 07 Mar 2011 23:38

Indonesian jets force Pakistan plane to land after straying into air space

JAKARTA, Indonesia - Officials say two Indonesian fighter jets have forced a Pakistani passenger plane to land after entering Indonesian air space without authorization.
A spokesman for Pakistan International Airlines says the aircraft is chartered by U.N. peacekeepers in East Timor and might have strayed off course due to bad weather.

Local air force chief Agus Supriatna said the Boeing 737-300 with 54 people aboard landed Monday at the Sultan Hasanuddin airport in Makassar, the capital of South Sulawesi province. He said it would be allowed to leave after arranging necessary documents.

PIA spokesman Tajwar Mashood said that the Pakistani Embassy in Indonesia has been informed and is taking action.

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Postby Brad Goodman » 07 Mar 2011 23:39

Pakistan mosque blast wounds at least 19

Islamabad, Pakistan (CNN) -- A pair of explosions outside a mosque in eastern Pakistan Monday wounded at least 19 people, local officials said.Members of parliament were gathered inside the Eidga mosque in Jalalabad to discuss their demands for the dismissal of the province's governor, when the explosions occurred, said Nasratullah Arsala, a provincial council member.

"The first explosion took place at 11:00 and the second explosion took place at around 11:20," said Ahmadzia Abdulzai, spokesman in the governor's office.

The wounded were transferred to a local hospital, according to a public health official.

Lawmakers have petitioned for the removal of Nanagarhar province governor Gulagha Sherzai for the last 15 days, accusing him of corruption, Arsala said.


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Postby Brad Goodman » 07 Mar 2011 23:44

Hindu killed over kite flying row in Pakistan

A Hindu man was shot dead by his Christian neighbour following a row over kite flying in Peshawar on Monday, police said.

Phool Aslam was allegedly killed by Salim Masih after they exchanged angry words in Kali Badi area of Peshawar cantonment.

Masih and his son Sikandar were flying kites when an object lobbed by the boy to catch a kite fell into the house of Aslam. When Aslam complained, Masih exchanged "harsh words" with him, police said. Masih then allegedly fired at Aslam with his pistol.

Aslam was hit by several bullets and succumbed to his injuries in the Cantonment General Hospital.

Masih fled from the scene and police have launched a search operation to trace him, officials said.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby shravan » 07 Mar 2011 23:52

Brad Goodman wrote:Pakistan mosque blast wounds at least 19

Islamabad, Pakistan (CNN).. Eidga mosque in Jalalabad ..


Afghanistan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby Chinmayanand » 07 Mar 2011 23:57

Indo-Pak home secy-level talks from March 28

Officials sources said though India was not expecting a major breakthrough in the two-day talks, discussions will be held on counter-terrorism including progress in Mumbai terror attacks trial and India's demand for voice samples of the 26/11 accused, flow of fake currency notes from across the border and status of prisoners like fishermen lodged in each other's jails.

India will also ask Pakistan when a team of its officials can visit that country to question the 26/11 accused and the mastermind. New Delhi has in principle agreed to allow a Pakistani commission to travel to India to question the magistrate who conducted the 26/11 trial and the investigating officer.

Problem of issuing visas to citizens willing to travel across the borders, cooperation in tackling drugs menace and cross border trade will also figure prominently in the dialogue.

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Postby svinayak » 08 Mar 2011 00:14

Brad Goodman wrote:Hindu killed over kite flying row in Pakistan

A Hindu man was shot dead by his Christian neighbour following a row over kite flying in Peshawar on Monday, police said.


When is HAF going to condemn the killing of Hindus in Pakistan and send a strong message to Pakistan govt to protect Hindu minorities in Pakistan.

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Postby krisna » 08 Mar 2011 00:14

Pakistan rejects another US request related to Big Stone Gap native
According to an NDTV report Pakistani authorities have turned down a US request to shift suspected CIA contractor Raymond Davis from Lahore's Kot Lakhpat Jail to the Governor House for his safety, according to a media report published on Monday.
"After examining the different aspects of the US demand, Punjab government refused it and termed it unworkable," :(( an unnamed official told The Express Tribune newspaper.
The US had reportedly proposed that Davis, currently being held in Kot Lakhpat Jail, be shifted to the Governor House, two rooms of which could be declared a sub-jail.

The US also proposed that Davis' trial should be conducted in the Governor House.
The demand was made to ensure safety and well-being of Davis as the American media has expressed concerns that his detention in jail posed a risk to his life.


More to follow.....

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Postby krisna » 08 Mar 2011 00:16

Pakistan sets bail for American construction contractor held in northwest on visa violations
Aaron Mark DeHaven won't be given his passport after posting the $23,500 bail, however, and still faces court hearings

DeHaven is a 34-year-old West Virginian who is married to a Pakistani. He is believed to be affiliated with Catalyst Services, a construction company.
His lawyer, Ali Reza, confirmed the bail Monday. He insists DeHaven had tried to renew his visa.

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Postby krisna » 08 Mar 2011 00:27

an army without a country
For decades the army and the ISI have controlled the extremist groups, arming and training them in exchange for their continuing to serve as proxy forces in Afghanistan and Kashmir. But in recent years, the army has lost control of them and they are striking targets of their own. Yet the army has refused to help crack down on its rogue protégés—despite the fact that extremists have increasingly attacked the army and the ISI itself, and at least 2,000 military personnel have died at their hands in the past five years. This is all the more ominous in view of the resources the military commands: half a million men, another half a million reserves, 110 nuclear weapons (according to US media estimates) and one of the largest intelligence agencies in the world, the ISI, which has an estimated 100,000 employees.

The security agencies have unleashed Lashkar-e-Taiba (LT)—the largest and most feared extremist group in Pakistan, which was behind the 2008 Mumbai attacks—on to the streets of Lahore. The group has been banned by the US, Britain and the United Nations and supposedly by Pakistan too. LT stalwarts have been demonstrating daily outside the US consulate to ensure that Raymond Davis—who was apparently charged with monitoring their activities—hangs. By giving free reign to such banned groups the security agencies may have inadvertently signaled to all extremist groups, including the sectarian groups who hate Christians, that they are free to take the law into their own hands. What is behind this complex and mind-boggling strategy? It is all part of a wider cat and mouse escalation between the US and the Pakistani military. The army wants to control any future peace talks that the US may have with the Taliban, so that the army’s aims for a future pro-Pakistan Afghan government in Kabul are met. Its leaders also want to make doubly sure that any long-term American arrangements do not leave Pakistan’s rival India in a stronger position in Afghanistan.

So far the US seems unmoved; and it has already circumvented the ISI to start indirect peace talks with some Taliban. One consequence is that the military are allowing extremist groups considered anathema to the US on the streets. This is also why Davis is not being freed, and why US-Pakistan relations are at their worst in many years. In the meantime, the army and the government continue to receive about $3 billion a year in US military and economic aid.

The ISI may well be playing the Americans, but it does so at the cost of steadily ceding ground to the extremists. Right now Pakistan is becoming a place where there is an army without a country.

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Postby krisna » 08 Mar 2011 00:45

Dispatches From The Edge: The CIA, Pakistan & Tangled Webs

Was American CIA agent Raymond Davis secretly working with the Taliban and al-Qaeda to destabilize Pakistan and lay the groundwork for a U.S. seizure of that country’s nuclear weapons? Was he photographing sensitive military installations and marking them with a global positioning device? Did he gun down two men in cold blood to prevent them from revealing what he was up to? These are just a few of the rumors ricocheting around Islamabad, Lahore and Peshawar in the aftermath of Davis’s arrest Jan. 27, and sorting through them is a little like stepping through Alice’s looking glass.
But one thing is certain: the U.S. has hundreds of intelligence agents working in Pakistan, most of them private contractors, and many of them so deep in the shadows that Pakistan’s intelligence agency, the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), doesn’t know who they are or what they are up to. “How many more Raymond Davises are out there?” one ISI official asked Associated Press.
Lots, it would appear. Five months ago, the Pakistani government directed its embassies in the U.S. to issue visas without letting the ISI or Pakistan’s Interior Ministry vet them. According to the Associated Press, this opened a “floodgate” that saw 3,555 visas for diplomats, military officials and employees issued in 2010.
Can this be true or he is pulling this from his musharraff
Many of those visas were for non-governmental organizations and the staff for the huge, $1 billion fortress embassy Washington is building in Islamabad, but thousands of others covered consular agents and workers in Lahore (where Davis was arrested), Karachi and other cities. Some of those with visas work for Xe Services (formally Blackwater), others for low-profile agencies like Blackbird Technologies, Glevum Associates, and K2 Solutions. Many of the “employees” of these groups are former U.S. military personnel—Davis was in the Special Forces for 10 years—and former CIA agents. And the fact that these are private companies allows them to fly under the radar of congressional oversight, as frail a reed as that may be.

The U.S. claims that Davis is protected by diplomatic immunity, but the matter might not be as open and shut as the U.S. is making it. According to the Pakistani Express Tribune, Davis’s name was not on a list of diplomats submitted to Pakistan’s Foreign Ministry on Jan. 25. :!: The day after the shooting the embassy submitted a revised list that listed Davis as a diplomat.
Washington clearly considered Davis to be important. When he asked for backup on the day of the shooting, another SUV was dispatched to support him, apparently manned by agents living at the same safe house as Davis. The rescue mission went wrong when it ran over a motorcyclist while going the wrong direction down a one-way street. When the Pakistani authorities wanted to question the agents, they found that both had been whisked out of the country.
Almost immediately the Obama administration sent Sen. John Kerry, chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, to Islamabad to apologize and pressure Pakistan to release Davis. (how can one apologise and pressurise TSP- unless the guboing creates pressure inside)But the incident has stirred up a hornet’s nest in Pakistan, where the CIA’s drone war has deeply alienated most Pakistanis. Opposition parties are demanding that the CIA agent be tried for murder. A hearing on the issue of whether Davis has diplomatic immunity will be heard Mar. 14.

In the meantime, Davis is being held under rather extraordinary security because of rumors that the Americans will try to spring him, or even poison him. Davis is being shielded from any direct contact with U.S. officials, and a box of chocolates sent to Davis by the Embassy was confiscated.
:((
What the incident has served to illuminate is the fact that U.S. intelligence operations are increasingly being contracted out to private companies with little apparent oversight from Congress. At last count, the U.S. Defense Department had almost 225,000 private contractors working for them.

The privatization of intelligence adds yet another layer of opacity to an endeavor that is already well hidden by a blanket of “national security,” and funded by black budgets most Americans never see. The result of all this is a major diplomatic crisis in what is unarguably the most dangerous piece of ground on the planet.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby Samay » 08 Mar 2011 00:53

krisna wrote:an army without a country
The ISI may well be playing the Americans, but it does so at the cost of steadily ceding ground to the extremists. Right now Pakistan is becoming a place where there is an army without a country.

Good analysis, the last two lines say it all.
First the eye-ess-eye had taken full control of the army and now hardliners will take control of eye-ess-eye. The process of complete talibanisation of the pakistani establishment will happen this way, too much to lure Nato to do a pincer.

Threat of nukes will increase even more. I think we need to complete BMD shields quickly and be ready to repel a huge infux of pakjabis,elites from pakiland .

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby shiv » 08 Mar 2011 05:26

Samay wrote:
krisna wrote:an army without a country

First the eye-ess-eye had taken full control of the army and now hardliners will take control of eye-ess-eye.


Samay _ I have some serious issues with this observation. It seems to suggest that the ISI consists of bad guys who have pushed away the "good guys" of the Pakistan army. Now the worst guys of the ISI - the "hardliners" are set to take over. This is simply wrong. The Army and the ISI are in it together

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Postby putnanja » 08 Mar 2011 06:10

From an Indian PoV, is there really a "moderate" and "hardliner" faction within the ISI? I guess from the US point of view, a "moderate" ISI is one which is happy to keep carrying on attacks against Indian targets, while the "hardliner" one is that which targets US too

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Postby shiv » 08 Mar 2011 06:12

putnanja wrote:From an Indian PoV, is there really a "moderate" and "hardliner" faction within the ISI? I guess from the US point of view, a "moderate" ISI is one which is happy to keep carrying on attacks against Indian targets, while the "hardliner" one is that which targets US too


Good thinking. And it is exactly the US line that is being repeated by Samay, probably inadvertently.

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Postby pgbhat » 08 Mar 2011 07:50

Even Khans pushed for extra skurity for Bhatti.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 03198.html
Wolf had sent letter after letter to the State Department, warning that Bhatti's life was "in grave danger." In December, along with then-Sen. Sam Brownback, he wrote Secretary of State Hillary Clinton "to ask that Ambassador Cameron Munter be immediately instructed to communicate to the most senior officials of the government of Pakistan that Minister Bhatti's security is a matter of high importance to the United States."

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby ramana » 08 Mar 2011 08:05

ISI is the jihadi hub of TSPA and its partners with massa's agencies.

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Postby CRamS » 08 Mar 2011 09:01

putnanja wrote:From an Indian PoV, is there really a "moderate" and "hardliner" faction within the ISI? I guess from the US point of view, a "moderate" ISI is one which is happy to keep carrying on attacks against Indian targets, while the "hardliner" one is that which targets US too


This is exactly the song I and many have been singing for aeons. Add to this the Al Queda gold standard of terrorism relegating Paki pigLeTs to some kind of choir boys brigade that India should make piss with. What is misifying to me is that these themes are not beaten to death and exposed by the Indian strategic elite. There is a fundamental disconnect. Indian elite align themselves with US in their war on terror, but what India gets in return is both overt and covert duplicity. This is where Sadaanad Dhume is wrong. He associates both India & US to describe th Paki jihadi consciousness, but in reality, the west does not see it that way, and wilfully so. They separate out the "hardline" from the "moderate" along the lines you mention above.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby Anujan » 08 Mar 2011 09:01

I am not making up this madrassa math. Pakis want a new loan from IMF, and want the last tranche of current loan -- (1.7 Billion $ which IMF refused release because Pakis didnt implement GST) -- to be considered as repayment of past loan. :rotfl:
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2011/03/08/story_8-3-2011_pg7_1

the economic managers might request another IMF loan programme in the beginning of the next fiscal year 2011-12 without demanding the $1.7 billion last tranche {Oh what a favor they are doing to the world, by not "demanding" :mrgreen: } of the $11.3 billion SBA, the sources said, adding that the last tranche would be pegged with the next programme and considered as repayment of the loan.


So essentially you ask someone for 100$, they take pity on you and give 50$, you claim that the 50$ they didnt give is a repayment for the 50$ you borrowed. 8)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby amdavadi » 08 Mar 2011 09:05

Pakis have no shame. World is better off without pakis...

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby abhishek_sharma » 08 Mar 2011 09:07

There are only two types of Pakis: (a) Those who believe in 'Screw India' policy (e.g., PPP, other so-called "liberal" types) (b) Others who believe in 'Screw India and Screw US' policy (e.g., Beg, Hamid Gul, ...)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby SSridhar » 08 Mar 2011 09:19

Anujan wrote:So essentially you ask someone for 100$, they take pity on you and give 50$, you claim that the 50$ they didn't give is a repayment for the 50$ you borrowed.

:) I simply marvel at the audacity, shamelessness and the wicked ingenuity of the Pakistanis. I doubt if there is anybody else who can match them in fraud, perfidy, forked-tongue, lying, and begging. They are adept at managing hopeless situations even as they slide into more hopelessness. Then, they bring themselves together to manage the more serious hopelessness. The slide is non-stop and continuous and somehow they manage all that and take pride in having somehow managed the previous hopelessness and come out of it (only to land in more serious hopelessness though). But, Pakistanis will consider each one of them as a victory.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby suryag » 08 Mar 2011 10:43

Rediff reporting some explosion in Faisalabad

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

Postby shravan » 08 Mar 2011 10:45

At least 5 dead, dozens injured after blast near Intelligence agency's office in Faisalabad, Pakistan.


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