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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake and Tsunami - News and Analysis

Postby chaanakya » 15 May 2011 09:37

Kan to pledge continued use of N-power / Go-ahead based on better safety
The Yomiuri Shimbun
Prime Minister Naoto Kan will declare at the forthcoming Group of Eight summit meeting Japan's intention to continue utilizing nuclear power, based on the premise of enhancing the safety of nuclear power plants, The Yomiuri Shimbun learned Saturday.

During the G-8 summit of major industrial countries on May 26 and 27 in Deauville, western France, Kan also will express the nation's resolve to expand its utilization of such renewable energy sources as solar and wind power, officials said.

These are among the key points in a speech Kan is scheduled to deliver, which the government has drawn up under the title "Japan's concept for the future of nuclear power and energy policy."

Given that the safety of Japan's nuclear complexes and its energy policy have drawn attention around the world in the wake of the Great East Japan Earthquake, Kan is set to declare the nation's energy policy at the outset of the summit, according to the officials.

One pillar of the prime minister's G-8 speech will be the nation's readiness to drastically review its Basic Energy Plan, based on the lessons learned from the ongoing crisis at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant operated by Tokyo Electric Power Co., they said.

First compiled in October 2003 and revised in June 2010, the energy plan was based on the assumption that Japan would boost nuclear power to 50 percent of the nation's entire energy consumption by 2030.

When referring to the recasting of the basic energy plan, Kan will emphasize another pillar of his speech: making the maximum use possible of renewable energy sources, the officials said.

Specifically, Kan will cite plans to build a number of large solar power generation facilities and ease regulations concerning renewable energy development to allow, for instance, wind-power generation within national parks, they said.

To implement these plans, Kan will declare the government's intention to quickly study measures to stabilize costs and supplies of renewable energy, the officials said.

However, in light of the fact that Japan has few natural resources and is in a difficult situation regarding energy security, Kan will clearly declare the nation's determination to pursue the "continued use of nuclear power," they said.

Taking into account ever-intensifying international competition for energy resources, Kan will refer to Japan's intention to move in step with the United States and France, the two G-8 nations that favor the promotion of nuclear power generation.

The prime minister also will make it clear that Japan will stand apart from countries that are moving to denuclearize their energy sources, according to the officials.

As a prelude to this line of policy, Kan will express Japan's pledge to give top priority to ensuring safety when working to expand the use of nuclear power, they said.

Kan also will give an interim report on the Fukushima crisis and the countermeasures taken by the government, and call for understanding from the international community, the officials said.

Regarding organizational reform of supervisory administrative bodies over nuclear power plants, the prime minister will explain plans to overhaul their framework, such as separation of the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency from the Economy, Trade and Industry Ministry, which is tasked with promoting nuclear power utilization.

The government believes the G-8 summit speech will be the first in a series of explanations about Japan's nuclear power policy that the prime minister will make in the international arena, the officials said.

Following the G-8 summit, the government will seek further understanding from the international community at a ministerial conference of the International Atomic Energy Agency scheduled for June 20 to 24 in Vienna, they said.

The government is considering sending Foreign Minister Takeaki Matsumoto and Economy, Trade and Industry Minister Banri Kaieda to the IAEA meeting, the officials said.

(May. 15, 2011)

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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake and Tsunami - News and Analysis

Postby chaanakya » 15 May 2011 09:40

GuruPrabhu wrote:No need to badger Vina.

I am quite familiar with Bhartiya Academy for Replacing Coal.


Then I offer my apology to Vina and you as well.

Let it not be construed as badgering anyone, leave alone Vina or any brf member.

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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake and Tsunami - News and Analysis

Postby chaanakya » 15 May 2011 09:44

Radiation 'bias' weighs on Fukushima manufacturers
Bloomberg
More than two months after Tokyo Electric Power Co.'s Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant started leaking radiation, manufacturers in Tohoku are still trying to dispel rumors their industrial products are tainted.

"We lost a deal worth several hundred million yen" because a customer was concerned about radiation, said Yoshimasa Sekiguchi, an executive at Tohoku Bolt Manufacturing Co., a parts maker based in Iwaki, Fukushima Prefecture, about 50 km from the crippled power plant. "For us, it's a significant amount of money."

The image of the Fukushima disaster has raised concerns that products may be contaminated amid the world's worst nuclear crisis since the 1986 Chernobyl accident. For parts makers such as Tohoku Bolt, the perception is rankling because global demand for the products has increased amid a shortage.

"I'm angry that people elsewhere only hear bad news about Fukushima," Sekiguchi said. "Radiation readings here in Iwaki have been low compared with some cities farther from the plant, but that's reported only on local programs."

Radiation measured in Iwaki on Thursday was 0.43 microsievert per hour at the highest point, compared with 1.46 for the city of Fukushima and 1.37 for Koriyama, the prefecture's most populous city. Tokyo had a level of 0.066 the same day.

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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake and Tsunami - News and Analysis

Postby chaanakya » 15 May 2011 09:46

Two months later, whereabouts of 9,500 still unknown
Kyodo
More than two months after a devastating earthquake and tsunami ravaged the Tohoku region, about 9,500 people remain unaccounted for.

Police and Self-Defense Forces personnel continue to search the wrecked areas, but as time passes fewer bodies are being found. Identifying bodies is also proving difficult, as the extreme force of the tsunami stripped victims of clothes, IDs and jewelry.

At a temporary burial site on a hill in Higashimatsushima, Miyagi Prefecture, the graves of unidentified victims are marked only with numerals written in kanji.

Of some 330 victims buried there, about 30 have yet to be identified. The small bunches of flowers placed on their graves by municipal officials have started to wither, in sad contrast to the vivid flowers and offerings of food and drinks placed next to grave markers of deceased who have been identified.

The deceased are usually cremated in Japan, but the fuel shortages that followed the disaster forced Miyagi to allow burials without cremation.

The death toll from the March 11 quake and tsunami now totals about 15,000.

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Postby chaanakya » 15 May 2011 09:53

2 reactors in Hokkaido, Fukui in limbo for over a month
Sunday 15th May, 06:50 AM JST
TOKYO —
Two reactors at nuclear power plants in Hokkaido and Fukui Prefecture have been in limbo in the final phase of their regular checkups in which they generate power as usual for tests for over a month longer than planned due to the nuclear crisis in Fukushima.

The situations at the Tomari plant in Hokkaido and the Oi plant in Fukui reflect heightened safety concerns about nuclear power, but some critics question the relevance of them supplying electricity before completing the legally mandated checkup.

The Tomari’s No. 3 reactor and the Oi’s No. 1 reactor were rebooted on March 7 and 10, respectively, before the March 11 earthquake and tsunami triggered the crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi plant, and had both been due to shift to commercial service in early April.

In the last phase of checkup, which is usually over in about a month, reactors generate the usual amounts of power for final checks for any irregularities before resuming commercial operation.

After the crisis, however, the government’s Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency required nuclear plant operators to take emergency safety measures such as securing a backup power source.

In addition to time consumed to take such steps, the plant operators Hokkaido Electric Power Co and Kansai Electric Power Co said they are taking into account concerns among local people.

A nuclear safety agency official has said there is no problem in commencing commercial operation of the reactors as long as regular checkups are completed.

But Hideyuki Ban, a co-representative of the nonprofit organization Citizens’ Nuclear Information Center, said the reactors should be stopped until their safety is assured under enhanced standards the government is expected to draw up against earthquakes and tsunami.

‘‘Rather than continuing the test operation in a wait-and-see attitude, the reactors should be stopped until they are confirmed to fulfill the new standards,’’ he said.
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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake and Tsunami - News and Analysis

Postby chaanakya » 15 May 2011 09:56

TEPCO: Years needed to remove damaged nuclear fuel
The operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant says it may take a number of years to remove damaged nuclear fuel rods from the Number 1 reactor.

The Tokyo Electric Power Company announced on Saturday, that most of the fuel rods in the Number 1 reactor have melted and fallen to the bottom of the reactor where they are submerged in water.

TEPCO announced in April that it was aiming to get the reactor stabilized and cooled down in 6 to 9 months.
However, no timeline has yet been proposed for the removal of the nuclear fuel.

The company plans to study measures taken at the 1979 Three Mile Island accident in the US, where a meltdown of nuclear fuel rods also occurred.

There it took almost 10 years to remove melted fuel at the bottom of the reactor, which resembled hardened lava.
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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake and Tsunami - News and Analysis

Postby chaanakya » 15 May 2011 10:00

TEPCO confirms water in No.1 reactor

The operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant says the amount of highly radioactive water in the basement of the Number one reactor is increasing. The water is leaking from a hole or cracks in the containment vessel.

On Friday, Tokyo Electric Power Company workers found that the water in the basement is 4.2 meters deep.

The company intends to measure radiation levels of the water as it tries to find ways to deal with the leakage.

Also on Friday, a robot detected a maximum of 2,000 millisieverts of radiation per hour on the first floor of the reactor building.

The radiation level is the highest since the March 12th accident.


The company says the water is leaking from the pipes leading to the reactor, which were probably damaged as a result of a meltdown.

The utility has been forced to revise its original plan before submitting it to the government on Tuesday.
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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake and Tsunami - News and Analysis

Postby chaanakya » 15 May 2011 10:03

Radioactivity at No.3 reactor leaking into ocean
The operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant announced that radioactive materials continue to leak into the ocean near the plant.


The Tokyo Electric Power Company said 140 becquerels of cesium-134 per cubic centimeter, was measured on Saturday morning near the water intake of the plant's Number 3 reactor. That represents 2,300 times the legal limit.


It also detected 150 becquerels of cesium-137, which is 1,700 times the legal limit.

On Wednesday of this week, the utility found that highly radioactive water was continuing to flow into the ocean from a pit located near the water intake of the Number 3 reactor.

On Friday, TEPCO detected 6,200 times the legal limit of cesium-134.

The company says it will continue to monitor radioactivity levels near the plant.
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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake and Tsunami - News and Analysis

Postby chaanakya » 15 May 2011 10:06

Massive floating platform heads for Fukushima


A massive hollow floating platform is being transported to Fukushima to hold radioactive water from a troubled nuclear power plant.

The steel platform is 136 meters long and 46 meters wide and can store up to 10,000 tons of water.

It was provided to Tokyo Electric Power Company from Shizuoka city, where it was used as a fishing park.
It was made water-tight and rust-resistant during one month of refitting at a Yokohama shipyard. A large crane was mounted and pipes attached.


After final inspection at a nearby port, the platform is scheduled to arrive off the coast at Fukushima Daiichi power plant in one to two weeks.
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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake and Tsunami - News and Analysis

Postby chaanakya » 15 May 2011 15:44

Key nuclear facilities may have been damaged before tsunami
Sunday 15th May, 12:51 PM JST
TOKYO —
Data taken at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant on the night of March 11 showing a high level of radiation at a reactor building suggest the possibility that key facilities there may have been damaged by the quake itself that day rather than tsunami-caused power loss that failed the reactor’s cooling function, a utility source said Sunday.

The revelation may call for a review of preparedness against quakes at various nuclear power stations in Japan as they have primarily focused on securing auxiliary power supplies and embankment enhancement against tsunami after the Fukushima plant crisis, assuming that reactor facilities at the plant were unscathed by trembling.

On March 11, the power plant was shut down automatically just past 2:46 p.m. following the magnitude-9 quake. Within an hour, it was hit by at least two rounds of tsunami waves. The external power supply was then shut down, disabling the emergency core cooling system from injecting water at 4:36 p.m.

Prime Minister Naoto Kan declared the country’s first state of nuclear emergency in the evening and residents near the plant were asked to evacuate.

Workers entered the No. 1 reactor building in the night to assess damage to the reactor but a few seconds later their dosimeter’s alarm was triggered, according to the sources at Tokyo Electric Power Co. The building was believed to be filled with steam with high radiation dose, prompting the workers to evacuate.

Based on dosimeter readings, radiation was estimated at around 300 millisieverts per hour, according to the sources, a result suggesting a large amount of radioactive materials from nuclear fuel in the reactor was already released.

It has been thought that power loss failed the cooling system at the No. 1 reactor, releasing highly radioactive steam from the reactor pressure vessel.

This scenario assumes that pressure inside the reactor had built up and damaged piping and other facilities, a process that is thought to require a much longer time before such building is filled with steam.

A source at TEPCO admitted the possibility of key facilities having been compromised before the tsunami waves, saying, ‘‘The quake’s trembling may have caused damage to the pressure vessel or pipes.’‘


The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency has so far said the reactor withstood shaking but tsunami of an unexpected scale caused power loss, which led to an explosion.

On the night of March 11, TEPCO did not yet take the step of opening vents of the containment vessel to relieve pressure that was supposed to be rising, a move that it took in the morning the following day that led to the release of radioactive steam from the vessel.

Inside the No. 1 reactor, water level was falling from the night of March 11. TEPCO sprayed a large volume of water but failed to recover water level, leading to exposure of fuel and a meltdown of the reactor core.

Subsequently, zirconium, a metal covering fuel triggered a chemical reaction with steam, generating hydrogen and leading to the explosion at the reactor building at 3:36 p.m. on March 12.

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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake and Tsunami - News and Analysis

Postby chaanakya » 15 May 2011 15:46

Trouble delayed cold shutdown of Hamaoka nuclear reactor
Sunday 15th May, 06:53 PM JST
SHIZUOKA —
Chubu Electric Power Co said Sunday that cooling system trouble delayed the cold shutdown of the No. 5 reactor at its Hamaoka power plant in Shizuoka Prefecture for about two hours earlier in the day, while ruling out any external release of radioactive substances.

Seawater leaked into a steam condenser at the reactor, which cools and turns steam from the turbines into water, apparently due to damage to its piping, prompting the utility to switch to another system to cool and stabilize the reactor and complete the work shortly past noon, it said.

The No. 5 unit was the last active nuclear reactor at the plant located in the Pacific coastal city of Omaezaki to come to a stable condition with an internal temperature below 100 C, the benchmark for cold shutdown.

The utility serving central Japan halted operation of the plant—its only nuclear facility located around 180 kilometers southwest of Tokyo—on Saturday, following an unprecedented government request due to fears of another nuclear disaster in the event of a large earthquake in the area, which lies on a major active fault line.

The ongoing nuclear crisis at Tokyo Electric Power Co’s Fukushima Daiichi power plant on the Pacific coast around 220 km northeast of Tokyo was triggered by the devastating March 11 quake and tsunami.

The Nagoya-based firm said it had found Saturday evening, after a measuring instrument indicated abnormalities around 4:30 p.m., that around 400 tons of seawater had flowed into the condenser of the No. 5 reactor.

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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake and Tsunami - News and Analysis

Postby harbans » 15 May 2011 15:52

Chanakya ji that (report) is exactly what i said yesterday. There is a need for assessment at the design level. The jump however to proclaiming the Nuclear industry as unsafe is a leap too far. I am sure you will admit there are lots of people who do create paranoia for vested purposes. That is what needs also to be countered.

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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake and Tsunami - News and Analysis

Postby harbans » 15 May 2011 16:01

Sanku wrote:

harbans wrote:
No sort of mass power generation is without risk. .



Well crossing the road has risk too. Can we equate it to power generation?


Chanakya wrote: That he has already one with his allusions to Roads of Delhi and Bangaluru
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Well yes. Risk is statistical. Any organization that claims ZERO accident/ Zero incident is a fraud. Risk can only be minimized, never done away. Minimization is done by good transparent management, good sound engineering design, emperical considerations and awareness. Whether one flies in an aircraft, crosses the road, cuts onions, does milling, works or lives near a nuclear plant, life is NEVER without an element of risk. However paranoia and falsification of information to the risks also negate the very purpose. IMHO thats what Amber G, GP and others have tried to address to quite an extent. JMHT.

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Postby chaanakya » 15 May 2011 18:21

harbans wrote:Well yes. Risk is statistical. Any organization that claims ZERO accident/ Zero incident is a fraud. Risk can only be minimized, never done away. Minimization is done by good transparent management, good sound engineering design, emperical considerations and awareness.


Good intentions , nevertheless , actual practices hardly inspire confidence. All these mentioned by you have been found to be wanting, at least in TEPCO cases. Transparency is last of the virtues they bothered about.

I think when meltdown was mentioned, it was ridiculed and worthies were found to be utterly wrong.

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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake and Tsunami - News and Analysis

Postby chaanakya » 15 May 2011 18:27

Meltdown occurred at Fukushima No. 1 reactor 16 hours after March 11 quake
Sunday 15th May, 08:51 PM JST

TOKYO —
A nuclear fuel meltdown at the No. 1 reactor of the crisis-hit Fukushima Daiichi power plant is believed to have occurred around 16 hours after the March 11 quake and tsunami crippled the complex in northeastern Japan, Tokyo Electric Power Co said Sunday.

The reactor, the fuel of which was found Thursday to have largely melted, was already in a critical state at 6:50 a.m. on March 12 with most of its fuel having melted and fallen to the bottom of the reactor pressure vessel, the plant operator said based on its provisional assessment.

The reactor automatically halted shortly after the 2:46 p.m. earthquake, but its water level dropped to the upper part of the fuel rods and the temperature began to rise around 6 p.m. The damage to the fuel had begun by 7:30 p.m. with most of it having melted by 6:50 a.m. the following day, the utility said.

While the utility is aiming to bring the worst nuclear accident in Japan under control in around six to nine months from mid-April, it has no choice but to abandon a plan to flood and cool the No. 1 reactor’s containment vessel as holes have been created in the pressure vessel by the melted fuel, an adviser to Prime Minister Naoto Kan indicated earlier Sunday.

But the government will keep intact the firm’s timetable for stabilizing the crisis, Goshi Hosono, tasked with handling the nuclear crisis, told TV programs.

On the original plan to completely submerge the 4-meter-tall fuel rods by filling the vessel with water, Hosono said, ‘‘We should not cause the (radioactive) water to flow into the sea by taking such a measure,’’ alluding to the holes.

Hosono said that the government will instead consider ways to decontaminate water used to cool fuel in the reactor so that the water can be reused.

The remarks were made after TEPCO found a pool of water over 4 meters deep, which could be highly contaminated and total 3,000 tons, in the basement of the No. 1 reactor building, suggesting water poured into the reactor core may be seeping through holes created by melted fuel. The water is then suspected to have leaked from the containment vessel or suppression pools, which form the vessel, into piping.

In a related revelation concerning one of the major mix-ups after the natural disaster knocked out power at the six-reactor complex, TEPCO and other sources said the same day that the utility had assembled 69 power supply vehicles by March 12 at the plant but to no avail.

The inability to use the vehicles caused a delay in the damage control work at the plant, significantly worsening the emergency.

TEPCO earlier said it had tried to connect the vehicles to power-receiving equipment, a procedure necessary to operate pumps that would pour water into the reactors to cool them. But workers failed to carry out the task because the equipment was submerged in seawater from the tsunami, creating the risk of shorting out.

TEPCO’s account is at variance with the one given by the government’s Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, which mentioned the first arrival of such a vehicle on the evening of March 11 but stopped mentioning it the following day as the focus of attention had shifted to how to let out radioactive steam to relieve pressure that had built up inside the containment vessel of the No. 1 reactor.

The different versions of the story given by TEPCO and the agency might come to a head as investigations progress to determine why efforts to immediately contain the crisis failed.

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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake and Tsunami - News and Analysis

Postby GuruPrabhu » 15 May 2011 18:35

chaanakya wrote:I think when meltdown was mentioned, it was ridiculed and worthies were found to be utterly wrong.


When meltdown was mentioned there was evidence for it - so, why should anyone have believed it?

Even now the reason you believe there is meltdown is because TEPCO is saying it -- the same TEPCO that said that there was no meltdown back then.

Every jyotishi is right once in a while. If you sit making predictions all day, occasionally, you will be right.

To ascribe "science" to it is utter nonsense. It is not as if Sanku-ji did some calculations, made some measurements, burnt the midnight lamp, ran some software and said :"eureka! there is meltdown".

As N^3 would say, someone scratched their musharraf and meltdown happened.

So, ultimately all that you are saying is that you believe TEPCO's assertions. What data outside of TEPCO do you have that there is partial meltdown.

This matter was of daily discussion among my colleagues during lunch at the canteen. There were, of course, views regarding meltdown and those against it. Finally it was decided that we can not speculate in the absence of data.

So, again, if you are claiming that you had predicted something, feel free go back and even post-facto explain how you predicted it and based on which data.

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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake and Tsunami - News and Analysis

Postby GuruPrabhu » 15 May 2011 18:37

In essence, which TEPCO is right -- the one who denied a partial meltdown or the one that is claiming a partial meltdown?

A case of the convenient TEPCO?

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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake and Tsunami - News and Analysis

Postby chaanakya » 15 May 2011 18:57

GuruPrabhu wrote:
chaanakya wrote:I think when meltdown was mentioned, it was ridiculed and worthies were found to be utterly wrong.


When meltdown was mentioned there was evidence for it - so, why should anyone have believed it?

Even now the reason you believe there is meltdown is because TEPCO is saying it -- the same TEPCO that said that there was no meltdown back then.

Every jyotishi is right once in a while. If you sit making predictions all day, occasionally, you will be right.

To ascribe "science" to it is utter nonsense. It is not as if Sanku-ji did some calculations, made some measurements, burnt the midnight lamp, ran some software and said :"eureka! there is meltdown".

As N^3 would say, someone scratched their musharraf and meltdown happened.

So, ultimately all that you are saying is that you believe TEPCO's assertions. What data outside of TEPCO do you have that there is partial meltdown.

This matter was of daily discussion among my colleagues during lunch at the canteen. There were, of course, views regarding meltdown and those against it. Finally it was decided that we can not speculate in the absence of data.

So, again, if you are claiming that you had predicted something, feel free go back and even post-facto explain how you predicted it and based on which data.


Why all this rant?

TEPCO did not mention meltdown. It concealed data and members were advised to believe TEPCO data even though news contrary to that were posted.

The possibility of meltdown was not on some science from someone's musharraf but based on LOCA and radioactive data and radioactive isotopes like Cs , Sr and Pu.

Be kind enough to go through previous pages.

Now , the assertion of meltdown is not based on TEPCO's admission but NISA of METI and advisor to Govt who have indicated what actually happened. The matter is under investigation to determine the sequence of events and TEPCO's responses to it and to draw appropriate conclusions.

I do not claim to have mentioned meltdown first but it was Sanku who mentioned. SO no need to give me credit.

What all one is doing here to take data as it comes out through various news reports and press releases and try to understand what happened? There is hardly canteen discussion here from me, though you seem to have carried it a little too far.

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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake and Tsunami - News and Analysis

Postby chaanakya » 15 May 2011 19:08

Of course when TEPCO also admits it , that helps.

But there were initial indications that TEPCO's responses were guarded, short of transparent for the reason of legal issues and possibility of huge compensation and making TEPCO legally liable for all the negligence and willful defaults.

Now that they have aligned their revelations in line with what was otherwise reported by various experts in news media, I am sure further scrutiny of data would bring out the full extent of disaster.

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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake and Tsunami - News and Analysis

Postby GuruPrabhu » 15 May 2011 19:18

chaanakya wrote:Why all this rant?


Rant or not, it is a post. If it helps for you to think it is a rant, please yourself.

The possibility of meltdown was not on some science from someone's musharraf but based on LOCA and radioactive data and radioactive isotopes like Cs , Sr and Pu.


We all had looked at the same data. All I am asking is that even post-facto please explain how the deduction of meltdown was made.

It will advance science to know the method of meltdown deductions employed. Cs, Sr and Pu are present in the spent rods as well - so that by itself is not evidence.

I would be impressed and learn something if such analysis is presented, minus the "rant" element. OTOH, lack of such analysis would lead me to conclude that much is being made of a random prediction among many coming true.

[recall that the pages are full of predictions, including "dead men walking" etc. We can calculate the percentage of predictions coming true.]

There is hardly canteen discussion here from me, though you seem to have carried it a little too far.


You'd be surprised at who all sit at that canteen table once in a while. A lot of good science is done at lunch.

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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake and Tsunami - News and Analysis

Postby chaanakya » 15 May 2011 19:36

^^

A rant by any name is a rant onlee.

Well I would hardly be surprised if Srikumar, Chetal or Radhakrishnan comes and takes lunch in a while? But if you are there then I would not be surprised at the slow pace in indigenous technological development which is being derided by like ilks as "Hindu Growth Rate". They have an uphill task with such close minds.

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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake and Tsunami - News and Analysis

Postby GuruPrabhu » 15 May 2011 19:50

^^^ Thank you for your gyaan.

Keep making predictions. I predict that one in 10 have a good chance of coming true. But, leave science to the scientists. Over and out.

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Re: 2011 Japanese Earthquake and Tsunami - News and Analysis

Postby Gerard » 15 May 2011 20:44

Thread locked.

Do NOT continue this in the two nuclear threads. I think we have had quite enough of all this.


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