Libyan War

All threads that are locked or marked for deletion will be moved to this forum. The topics will be cleared from this archive on the 1st and 16th of each month.
Gagan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 11202
Joined: 16 Apr 2008 22:25

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Gagan » 21 Mar 2011 18:46

Can the IAF have observers there to see the MMRCA Knights jostle it out?

BTW, this must be the most loveable war for the allied military men - BVR air campaign, not much enemy air defence or resistence to contend with, and a posting in a mediterrian military base to boot.

Rightly mentioned by some guru, fight during the day and sip pina coladas on the beach by evening.

:lol:

nits
BRFite
Posts: 1001
Joined: 01 May 2006 22:56
Location: Some where near Equator...

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby nits » 21 Mar 2011 18:54

now i wish i don't see a post asking Tejas to be send there too.. ;)

Singha
BRF Oldie
Posts: 66601
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 19:42
Location: the grasshopper lies heavy

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Singha » 21 Mar 2011 19:28

I was not seriously expecting twitter feeds and liveATC feeds...but looks like the "future" is already here !

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/03 ... eedfetcher

The U.S. military has dispatched one of its secret propaganda planes to the skies around Libya. And that “Commando Solo” aircraft is telling Libyan ships to remain in port – or risk NATO retaliation.

We know this, not because some Pentagon official said so, but because one Dutch radio geek is monitoring the airwaves for information about Operation Odyssey Dawn — and tweeting the surprisingly-detailed results. On Sunday alone, “Huub” has identified the tail numbers, call signs, and movements of dozens of NATO aircraft: Italian fighter jets, American tankers, British aerial spies, U.S. bombers, and the Commando Solo psyops plane (pictured).

“If you attempt to leave port, you will be attacked and destroyed immediately,” the aircraft broadcasted late Sunday night.

It’s the kind of information that the American military typically tries to obscure, at least until a mission is over. But Huub is just a single node in a sprawling online network that trawls the airwaves for clues to military operations.

Huub, also known online as “BlackBox” and @FMCNL, has been monitoring longer than most — more than a quarter-century. A former member of the Dutch military, he says that he’s captured the sounds of everything from Air Force One to CIA rendition flights to the travels of Yugoslavian war criminal Slobodan Mlosevic.

“I just combine the global and free information on the Internet with my local received information from the ether,” Huub e-mails Danger Room. “[My] main goal to listen to this communication is to listen to ‘the truth,’ without any military or political propaganda.”

Military aircraft have to provide basic information about their position over unencrypted, unclassified UHF and VHF radio networks; otherwise, they’d risk slamming into civilian jets in mid-air. That allows savvy listeners like Huub to use radio frequency scanners, amplifiers, and antennas to capture the communications. Some spend thousands of dollars homebrewing their own DIY listening stations. Many others – Huub included – rely on handheld gear, much of which can be ordered through Radio Shack. Huub uses the ICOM R20 receiver and the Uniden UBC-785XLT scanner, both of which retail for a little more than $500.
:oops:

But the type of gear is almost secondary, Huub writes. “I do not simply listen to ATC [air traffic control] or NATO frequencies,” he says. Instead, he monitors everything from aircraft transponder data to IRC chatrooms to pinpoint his planes. “I use a combination of live listening with local equipment, audio streaming, video streaming, datamining, intelligence, analyzing and the general knowledge of ATC procedures, communication, encryption, call signs, frequencies and a lot of experience on this!”

Huub, who ordinarily spends his days as a digital forensics manager in the town of Hilversum, has lately spent up to 16 hours a day, scanning for clues about the attack on Libya. Some of his Twitter followers aren’t so sure Huub should be devoting that much time to plucking military data from the sky.

“If you are not delaying your tweets by a WIDE margin, you are putting the pilots in harms way!!!!” tweets @Joe_Taxi. “When the sounds of the #operationoddesydawn aircraft are heard in #Libya it should be a complete surprise.”

Huub is hardly the only one eavesdropping on this operation, however. At least two others recorded the Commando Solo in action on Sunday, for instance.

And that shows just how easily average folks can now gather intelligence in ways once reserved for the best-funded spy agencies. Online sleuths now use Google Earth to find everything from North Korea’s launch facilities to Pakistan’s drone bases. Plane-spotters scoured tail numbers to uncover the CIA’s torture flights. So it’s no wonder that the sounds of this newest air war are being broadcast online — even before the planes return to their airstrips.

Singha
BRF Oldie
Posts: 66601
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 19:42
Location: the grasshopper lies heavy

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Singha » 21 Mar 2011 19:34

I am thinking the tornado-ADV or rafale with 3 drop tanks which permit a long loiter time will be used later to slink around and shoot down helicopters detected by E3 flying close to the ground.

also reaper drones might soon go onsite to take potshots at small libyan units attempting to move around at night. disposable and way cheaper than manned fighters flying in from italy...could operate from some oasis in western egypt on the sly.

Singha
BRF Oldie
Posts: 66601
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 19:42
Location: the grasshopper lies heavy

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Singha » 21 Mar 2011 19:39

listening in on the malta ATC feed, (165 listeners) one can clearly make out american accent of some pilots...probably large KC135/C17/C130 types flitting around on logistical missions. also easy to id spanish/italian english accents.

Klaus
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2168
Joined: 13 Dec 2009 12:28
Location: Cicero Avenue

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Klaus » 21 Mar 2011 19:43

Any news on whether the Italian A/c carrier Cavour is accompanying the Garibaldi? The Italian Navy's newest carrier has not had any military action so far, so this would be a perfect opportunity, not being too far from its home port at all.

Quite a few Hispanic pilots in the USAF? The demographic wave which cannot be overcome...sigh! :twisted: :twisted:

Singha
BRF Oldie
Posts: 66601
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 19:42
Location: the grasshopper lies heavy

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Singha » 21 Mar 2011 19:45

malta ATC is handling all traffic including civilian. there must be lots of civilian flights originating or terminating in portugal, spain, italy, greece passing over its zone.
the clipped british stiff uppar lip accents are quite noticeable too.

Cavour is not reported to be in the fray. maybe its under refit or its airwing not worked up to full ops. maybe garibaldi is just cheaper to operate for the cash strapped italians.

Singha
BRF Oldie
Posts: 66601
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 19:42
Location: the grasshopper lies heavy

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Singha » 21 Mar 2011 19:51

some ac clearly id their airline "El AL" , flight num, flight level "light level 39 meant 39,000ft" and destination "bound for jeddah".

Surya
BRF Oldie
Posts: 5034
Joined: 05 Mar 2001 12:31

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Surya » 21 Mar 2011 19:55

singha

where is the link for the malta ATC?

Singha
BRF Oldie
Posts: 66601
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 19:42
Location: the grasshopper lies heavy

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Singha » 21 Mar 2011 19:56


Lalmohan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13262
Joined: 30 Dec 2005 18:28

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Lalmohan » 21 Mar 2011 19:59

spain has contributed 3 F18's so far
i am sure that almost all tankers, ELINT and AWACS are unkil assets, with France making up most of the remainder. the main problem is 24 x 7 CAP which will need a large fleet to be operational, plus large real estate to be covered

also, there must be x number of black chaddi wallahs operating with the rebels and doing target spotting

Surya
BRF Oldie
Posts: 5034
Joined: 05 Mar 2001 12:31

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Surya » 21 Mar 2011 20:02

danke

Rahul Shukla
BRFite
Posts: 565
Joined: 20 Feb 2007 23:27
Location: On a roller-coaster.

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Rahul Shukla » 21 Mar 2011 20:02

Image

One of three stealth B-2 Spirit bombers returns to Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri from its mission in support of the Operation Odyssey Dawn no-fly zone over Libya. The three planes dropped precision munitions on an airfield near the city of Misrata. A military official said the B-2s flew 25 hours round trip from Whiteman and dropped 45 2,000-pound bombs.

Source: MSNBC

Singha
BRF Oldie
Posts: 66601
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 19:42
Location: the grasshopper lies heavy

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Singha » 21 Mar 2011 20:04

Unkil has indeed sent atleast 8 tankers (EXXON 01 - 08 iirc callsigns). and reports today of ANG being activated from NJ (mcguire afb?)...that usually means more tankers.
NATO has around 20 awacs, US has 40. I think the brits and french own some individually rest are in central NATO EU pool.

btw map of Malta FIR (flight info region) shows pretty much 100% of air sorties toward Tripoli will transit this region and call in I guess.
the western side is Tunis FIR but not many will come from that side except maybe B2 "global pawa" strikes (solution looking for a problem)

http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadbasic ... -11-18.pdf

diego garcia based B52 and B1 could also be used - base them in qatar or egypt and pound the crap out of anything.
Last edited by Singha on 21 Mar 2011 20:06, edited 2 times in total.

Rahul Shukla
BRFite
Posts: 565
Joined: 20 Feb 2007 23:27
Location: On a roller-coaster.

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Rahul Shukla » 21 Mar 2011 20:04

Image

The Royal Air Force VC10 and Tristar air-to-air refuelling aircraft, from RAF Brize Norton, Oxfordshire, England, accompanied RAF Tornado GR4 fast jets from RAF Marham that struck Libyan air defenses, in the longest strike mission since the Black Buck operations during the Falklands conflict.

Source: MSNBC

sanjeevpunj
BRFite
Posts: 971
Joined: 04 Sep 2009 13:10

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby sanjeevpunj » 21 Mar 2011 20:08

Wondering if anyone visited Wiki and read up the page on Tripoli.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripoli
US seems to have a natural enemity with Libya all the way back since 1801! Libyans seem to be looked upon as pirates by the west. The USS Philadelphia was captured by Libyans in 1803, but was later burnt down by a US Navy Lieutenant Stephen Decatur, who led a successful nighttime raid to retake and burn the ship. Decatur's men set fire to the Philadelphia and escaped.It makes a great painting too.

Image

Italians controlled Libya till 1943.Then the British ruled till 1951.On 15 April 1986, U.S. President Ronald Reagan ordered major bombing raids, dubbed Operation El Dorado Canyon, against Tripoli and Benghazi, killing 45 Libyan military and government personnel as well as 15 civilians.This strike followed US interception of telex messages from Libya's East Berlin embassy suggesting the involvement of Libyan leader Muammar al-Gaddafi in a bomb explosion on 5 April in West Berlin's La Belle discotheque, a nightclub frequented by US servicemen.

All this followed now by the uprising that has snowballed into a war scenario, with the potential of dividing the world geopolitically. I personally feel it is right that India,China,Russia and Germany did not interfere.This war could rake up more costs than Obama, Sarkozy and Cameron expect. Gaddafi has promised a long drawn affair, but that is sheer talk, let's see how the tide turns.

Lalmohan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13262
Joined: 30 Dec 2005 18:28

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Lalmohan » 21 Mar 2011 20:08

malta's position is strategically vital. it was fought over by crusaders, ottomans, brits and germans over the centuries. churchill called it the unsinkable aircraft carrier in the med, and the germans tried very hard to take it out. it basically dominates all traffic through the mediterranean
very anglophilic people, have strong ties to old blighty but also a large operator of Maruti gypsys! :)

Singha
BRF Oldie
Posts: 66601
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 19:42
Location: the grasshopper lies heavy

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Singha » 21 Mar 2011 20:11

libya/tunisia and morocco was likely where the 'barbary pirates' operated from.

Klaus
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2168
Joined: 13 Dec 2009 12:28
Location: Cicero Avenue

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Klaus » 21 Mar 2011 20:36

One of the Malta ATC operators speaks light-BENIS style! :mrgreen: :D
Must be of Egyptian origin.

The US has somehow managed to keep the 'bomb truck' label from sticking to the F-18 so far, atleast as far as the Odyssey Dawn operation is concerned. Most of the out-of the stadium hits are courtesy of B-2's from Whitman and F-15/16s

shiv
BRF Oldie
Posts: 34982
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: Pindliyon ka Gooda

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby shiv » 21 Mar 2011 20:46

Gagan wrote:Photo from NYT,

Looks like the hot section of a Cruise missile engine. It's survived relatively intact. Now would those be single crystal blades? Won't cheena biladhels or someone else love to get their hands on that thing?
Image

Probably blisk

shiv
BRF Oldie
Posts: 34982
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: Pindliyon ka Gooda

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby shiv » 21 Mar 2011 21:03

PratikDas wrote:I'm surprised there isn't more of a discussion here on how the SA-2 and SA-3 missile defence Libya had amounted to absolutely nothing against the Tomahawks. What does that mean for India against the Babur?


The first thing the coalition forces do is to take out the radars. Minus the radars those missiles are junk.

If Pakistan takes out our radars. Our air defences too will be junk.

QED

Lalmohan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13262
Joined: 30 Dec 2005 18:28

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Lalmohan » 21 Mar 2011 21:06

radars, generators, communication networks/nodes, command centres... vapourise
all shiny mijjiles remain shiny and suitable for further paalishing onlee

Baldev
BRFite
Posts: 501
Joined: 21 Sep 2009 07:27

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Baldev » 21 Mar 2011 21:17

shiv wrote:
PratikDas wrote:I'm surprised there isn't more of a discussion here on how the SA-2 and SA-3 missile defence Libya had amounted to absolutely nothing against the Tomahawks. What does that mean for India against the Babur?


The first thing the coalition forces do is to take out the radars. Minus the radars those missiles are junk.

If Pakistan takes out our radars. Our air defences too will be junk.

QED
its already junk,unless upgraded

Singha
BRF Oldie
Posts: 66601
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 19:42
Location: the grasshopper lies heavy

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Singha » 21 Mar 2011 21:19

blisks are probably much easier to make at those small diameter and subsonic levels than for a supersonic fighter engine of regular size.

obviously still worth stealing..the chinese embassy in tripoli must have sent a man with a suitcase of $$ the moment that footage came on-air and will be going out in diplomatic pouch soon.

ofcourse if the US gets wind of it, the chinese embassy in tripoli could well be flattened by a JDAM that malfunctions and homes in on the wrong co-ordinate.

neerajb
BRFite
Posts: 821
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 14:18
Location: Delhi, India.

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby neerajb » 21 Mar 2011 21:40

Singha wrote:some ac clearly id their airline "El AL" , flight num, flight level "light level 39 meant 39,000ft" and destination "bound for jeddah".


Singha Saar, flight level 390 will relate to 39000 feet.

Cheers....

Singha
BRF Oldie
Posts: 66601
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 19:42
Location: the grasshopper lies heavy

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Singha » 21 Mar 2011 21:41

yes you are right. my typo.

Gagan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 11202
Joined: 16 Apr 2008 22:25

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Gagan » 21 Mar 2011 21:46

El Al flight to Jeddah!!! :eek:

Y'alla Jeehard. Not possible at all.

BTW, that looks like a US / NATO soldier's trousers and boots next to that cruise missile engine blisks. So guess that particular thing might be safe. But the NATO forces fired 110+ cruise missiles...

Lalmohan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13262
Joined: 30 Dec 2005 18:28

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Lalmohan » 21 Mar 2011 21:47

most airlines use first word of their name as callsign start
BA uses Speedbird as the call sign, then flight number
there will be chat about heading, speed, altitude/flight level/airways

Luqa ATC: "Lufthansa One Niner Fife, clear to Flight Level three-nine-zeroh, watch out for fast moving traffic transiting north to south through your route, over"

Lufthansa 195: "Roger that Luqa, Lufthansa one niner fife out"

Fast moving traffic: "Ok Goose, I feel the need..."/ "... the need for speed!"

Luqa: "Unidentified fast traffic, please repeat your message over..."

Maverick: "Luqa this is Mush-Kicker-One, in transit through your space south bound at flight level two niner zero... out"

Lufthansa 195: "What vas zat!! Mein gott!!"

Singha
BRF Oldie
Posts: 66601
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 19:42
Location: the grasshopper lies heavy

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Singha » 21 Mar 2011 21:51

check out flightradar24.com and move the map to spain-italy-malta area. mass of a/c in the area between spain and italy. a couple UAE airlines. some mysterious ones tagged with "nocallsign" flitting around.

Jeff Lira
BRFite -Trainee
Posts: 34
Joined: 13 Feb 2011 19:01

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Jeff Lira » 21 Mar 2011 22:10

Libya's Nuclear Quest, Can Libya Use Nuclear Weapon?

We all remember, that Pakistan illegally provided Iran, North Korea and Libya nuclear technology. Libya could hav used the bomb if Gaddafi wouldn't have declared nuclear disarmament and dismantling of weapons of mass destruction. Though Libya was in process of developing a bomb but it didnt have any ready nuclear bomb when it declared nuclear disarmament, though it possessed Chemical and Biological warheads at that time. the above article explains Libya's eagerness to acquire a nuclear bomb but then why it dropped the plan.

Mean while Vladimir Putin has called military intervention in Libya as an medieval crusade. Russia on Military Operations in Libya

You have no idea how much I was waiting for Russian comment on this. Today it has come. Russia though criticizes the UN resolution of military intervention in Libya, but being a permanent member of UNSC it still didn't use its veto, Can someone explain me this??

Henrik
BRFite
Posts: 211
Joined: 10 Apr 2010 15:55
Location: Southern Sweden

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Henrik » 21 Mar 2011 22:17

Interesting to hear Medvedev and Putin are "disagreing". Medvedevs statement was a real bitch-slap in Putins face. I'm sure it's something he's not used to.

Jeff Lira
BRFite -Trainee
Posts: 34
Joined: 13 Feb 2011 19:01

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Jeff Lira » 21 Mar 2011 22:37

@Henrik: true, Medvedev generally doesn't do that, though Medvedev was saying as a President of Russia, but Putin said he is not saying it as Prime Minister of Russia, but as Vladimir Putin. May be Medvedev feels same as Putin and didn't want to say on behalf of Russia. but I really wonder why Russians didn't use their veto power to block the resolution

Surya
BRF Oldie
Posts: 5034
Joined: 05 Mar 2001 12:31

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Surya » 21 Mar 2011 22:53

could you please take your Putin\Medvedev discourse elsewhere

this is for military action reports and discussion

Gagan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 11202
Joined: 16 Apr 2008 22:25

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Gagan » 21 Mar 2011 23:19

Perhaps because Russia recognizes that Gaddafi has outlived his welcome amongst ordinary libiyans.

One can't rule for 4 odd decades and then expect people to still love and respect you. Russia has had a long engagement with Gaddafi's regime.

But OT for this thread. Apologies

SaiK
BRF Oldie
Posts: 36402
Joined: 29 Oct 2003 12:31
Location: NowHere

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby SaiK » 21 Mar 2011 23:33

RAF makes history
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -raid.html

tornado: eight-hour round trip carrying a deadly load of 1.2 ton Storm Shadow missiles.

The VC10 alone can carry up to 69,800kgs of fuel while the Tristar, fitted with under floor tanks, can carry almost twice that amount. During the mission the two aircraft offloaded around 60 tons of fuel, replenishing each of the Tornados three times on the outward journey and once on the return leg.

RAF Tornado and Typhoon jets were preparing to take up a temporary base in southern Italy

SaiK
BRF Oldie
Posts: 36402
Joined: 29 Oct 2003 12:31
Location: NowHere

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby SaiK » 21 Mar 2011 23:36

SEAD and Anti midair refueler/awacs killer missiles can be a learning process for us here. Next gen rajendra radar should use LPI AESA.

Nandan D
BRFite -Trainee
Posts: 45
Joined: 19 Jul 2001 11:31
Location: Austin, Tx

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Nandan D » 22 Mar 2011 03:19

Austin wrote:Yes Mig-23 , any information which missile shot it down ?


Looking at the entire video (Bulgarian TV crew I think), it looks like it was an engine flame out.
There was no visible SAM contrail, and no AAA visible or audible.

I'm surprised at the time it took for the pilot to eject. Trying to get out of the area, and left it till too late?

Craig Alpert
BRFite
Posts: 1440
Joined: 09 Oct 2009 17:36
Location: Behind Enemy Lines

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Craig Alpert » 22 Mar 2011 05:49

In Combat Debut, Navy Jammer (F-18 Growler) Targets Libyan Tanks
Vice Adm. Bill Gortney told the media on Sunday that the EA-18G Growler, a Boeing production, provided electronic warfare support to the coalition’s attacks on Libya. That’s the first combat mission for the Growler, which will replace the Navy’s Prowler jamming fleet. Only Gortney added a twist: not only did the Growler go after Libya’s surface-to-air missiles, it helped the coalition conduct air strikes on loyalist ground forces going after rebel strongholds.

And expect the Growler to keep up the pressure. The Pentagon plans to transfer control of Odyssey Dawn from Gen. Carter Ham and U.S. Africa Command to an as yet undetermined multinational command entity — at which point, the U.S. is expected to take a backseat in combat missions. But it’ll continue to contribute “unique capabilities” to the Libya mission. Namely, Gortney specified, “specialty electronic airplanes” such as the Growler. (And refueling tankers, spy planes, cargo haulers and command n’ control aircraft.) No wonder Defense Secretary Robert Gates hearts it so much.

This may be the Growler’s first combat mission since Boeing delivered the first run of the refitted F/A-18 Super Hornets to the Navy in 2007. But its next usage may be more deadly. The Navy sped up production of its Next Generation Jammer earlier this year, meaning the Growler’s payload will soon be able to insert viruses into enemy command networks, not just block radars and communications transmissions in under five years.

shiv
BRF Oldie
Posts: 34982
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: Pindliyon ka Gooda

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby shiv » 22 Mar 2011 06:06

As posted by young Manish Rastogi a few weeks ago - blisk engines are commercially available. But looking at them gives no clue as to how they are made. A disk of metal has to be cut and ground into multiple blades to give you a BLade-dISK or BLISK, That is the trick.

Raja Bose
BRF Oldie
Posts: 19478
Joined: 18 Oct 2005 01:38

Re: LIBYA : No fly zone/air war thread

Postby Raja Bose » 22 Mar 2011 06:06

Heard quite a few callsigns "BOLAR xx" going to Aviano on the ATC chatter - I guess quite a few C5A Galaxies shuttling with war materiel to Italy.

This would have been a good opportunity for IAF to participate in an expeditionary mission but then our Gandhian netas are too interested in unleashing rapist goons on their citizens and chunks on dossiers on their enemies while pontificating on "moral high ground".


Return to “Trash Can Archive”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 24 guests