Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2011

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 07 Apr 2011 20:09

WARNING - Indian friends, you will notice a few "Chinese" guys appearing on this forum. But please be aware that the Chinese hardly bother to visit Indian forums/web sites, as they have enough mandarin/local forums for them. If rarely a Chinese appear here, they are mostly polite/ diplomatic and do not make INSULTING comments against Indians. Moreover, they will not be very fluent in English. Therefore, please understand, the so called "Chinese" you are conversing with are MOST LIKELY the usual PORKISTANI beggars always prowling on Indian web sites/forums, posing as Chinese or Indians.

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 07 Apr 2011 20:36

^ This should also be x-posted in Humour Thread.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 07 Apr 2011 20:41

VikasRaina wrote:MMS or Pawar might be deranged but end of the day, it is the job of ordinary Indians to step up and refuse to be part of this terrorist love fest.
"Never forgive never forget"

Are you sure. I am just posting some snippets of conversations I had with very educated, successful Indias about India's WC win, MMS's bhaichara, and Gambhir's comments. I don't know how widespread such sentiments are among Indian public, but if this kind of nonsese is widely believed, India does not need TSPA/ISI/LET to distroy it, it will disintegerate to its own internal contradictions of this type.

During Congress rule India has won the 2011 World Cup, we are the number one Test nation and we won the World T20. When we won the 1983 World Cup it was Congress at the centre. Something transforms the nation when Congress is in power. Let alone economic progress.

Good one xxxx Looks like all the BJP f%^&s have vanished though. MMS and Sonia are doing such a fantastic job that they are completely baffled and do not know what to do.

Make Sonia Gandhi a life long Board Member of BCCI for her (and her husband's family's) immense sacrifice and immeasurable contribution to making what is Bharat Matha today. Jai Hind!!! Poor man Rajiv Gandhi died for the nation. Which BJP chaddi has done that. On the other hand they killed the Mahatma - that is their enduring contribution. Next time Gambhir enters the stadium they should search him for weapons. He seems to display suicide-bomber like tendencies.

Good one xxxx. Yuvraj has a good sense of humor compared to the Gambhir a$%^&*e. I bet Gambhir has done nothing for the Indian army other than his bullshit statement of dedicating the match to them. I wonder what the f$%^k he would have said if they had lost the match. Only the naive like xxxx can fall for such tactics.

Now Harbhajan has joined the tamasha. Just wait till the mad mullahs and khaki chaddies join the circus. Watch this space buddy!! This is proving to be canon fodder for trouble makers.

And don't forget the matches were spread across three countries. If only countries in that region (Pak included) worked in partnership in other areas too ??? Who knows cricket might be the eye-opener. Unfortunately the likes of xxxx and Gambhir along with Islamic fundamentalists will be constantly reminding us that we should remain sworn enemies till kingdom come.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 07 Apr 2011 20:52

Punjab team to tour Pakistan next year

Pakistan will see the return of a foreign cricket team to the country in June this year after reaching an understanding with the India''s Punjab Cricket Association.
PCB Chairman Ijaz Butt confirmed that he had held successful negotiations with the Punjab Cricket Association for a bilateral series.
"The bilateral series will be played at the Punjab level.
In the first phase an Indian Punjab team will visit Pakistan in June this year to play two one-day matches and two T20 matches in different cities of Punjab," Butt said.
He said in September a Pakistan Punjab team would visit India to play the same number of matches in the Indian Punjab cities.
Butt said the Indian Punjab association had proposed the series and final touches were being given to holding the series.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 07 Apr 2011 20:55

ajit_tr wrote:Punjab team to tour Pakistan next year

Paki liar.

It won't happen.

Someone archive my message and make me eat my words if it does.

anishns · Post by **anishns** » 07 Apr 2011 20:56

^^^ Full to Punjabi style pappi jhappi in store...
They are like long lost brothers and have the attitude that "Subah ka bhoola jab shaam ko ghar aa jaye, to usse bhoola nahin kehtay'

ajit_tr wrote:Punjab team to tour Pakistan next year
Pakistan will see the return of a foreign cricket team to the country in June this year after reaching an understanding with the India''s Punjab Cricket Association.
PCB Chairman Ijaz Butt confirmed that he had held successful negotiations with the Punjab Cricket Association for a bilateral series.
"The bilateral series will be played at the Punjab level.
In the first phase an Indian Punjab team will visit Pakistan in June this year to play two one-day matches and two T20 matches in different cities of Punjab," Butt said.
He said in September a Pakistan Punjab team would visit India to play the same number of matches in the Indian Punjab cities.
Butt said the Indian Punjab association had proposed the series and final touches were being given to holding the series.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 07 Apr 2011 20:58

^^
Wait until the Pokris say they will allow only pure Muslims from Punjab.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 07 Apr 2011 21:10

If MMS puts pressure on an IPL team owener, or an IPL team onwer is himself a WKK type, is there still a chance to include TSP players in IPL? That would be a disgrace.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 07 Apr 2011 21:13

Putting the best possible chanakyan spin on MMS's decision to resume complete bhaichara with his Paki lovers, it would be that under a possibly US brokered deal, TSP agrees to reign in LET temporarily provided India does not harp on 26/11, while India resumes the composte dialouge leading to some H&D concessions for TSP. Even that would be utmost shameful given that it means MMS has forgotten about 26/11 in his quest for "piss" glory.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 07 Apr 2011 21:15

White Pakis telling Pakis that they are not Paki enough.
ensoi.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 07 Apr 2011 21:16

saip wrote:Eighteen per cent increase in defence budget announced

http://www.dawn.com/2011/04/07/eighteen ... unced.html

Almost $6 billion.
And this does not include the money it gets for prostituting itself from Uncle.

And they complain there is no money for flood relief etc and dumb Kerry and Cameron send them more money.

$6 billion out of $175 billion GDP is about 3.4%, but the Pak Rupee is under pressure in the last few years declining from Rs. 65 - 85 against the Dollar.
Never underestimate the Pakis, they are ready for another round of currency devaluation. All self-inflicted. If India were their enemy, then it would have worked to devalue the Pak Rupee much faster.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 07 Apr 2011 21:17

CRamS wrote:
VikasRaina wrote:MMS or Pawar might be deranged but end of the day, it is the job of ordinary Indians to step up and refuse to be part of this terrorist love fest.
"Never forgive never forget"
Are you sure. I am just posting some snippets of conversations I had with very educated, successful Indias about India's WC win, MMS's bhaichara, and Gambhir's comments. I don't know how widespread such sentiments are among Indian public, but if this kind of nonsese is widely believed, India does not need TSPA/ISI/LET to distroy it, it will disintegerate to its own internal contradictions of this type.

During Congress rule India has won the 2011 World Cup, we are the number one Test nation and we won the World T20. When we won the 1983 World Cup it was Congress at the centre. Something transforms the nation when Congress is in power. Let alone economic progress.

Good one xxxx Looks like all the BJP f%^&s have vanished though. MMS and Sonia are doing such a fantastic job that they are completely baffled and do not know what to do.

Make Sonia Gandhi a life long Board Member of BCCI for her (and her husband's family's) immense sacrifice and immeasurable contribution to making what is Bharat Matha today. Jai Hind!!! Poor man Rajiv Gandhi died for the nation. Which BJP chaddi has done that. On the other hand they killed the Mahatma - that is their enduring contribution. Next time Gambhir enters the stadium they should search him for weapons. He seems to display suicide-bomber like tendencies.

Good one xxxx. Yuvraj has a good sense of humor compared to the Gambhir a$%^&*e. I bet Gambhir has done nothing for the Indian army other than his bullshit statement of dedicating the match to them. I wonder what the f$%^k he would have said if they had lost the match. Only the naive like xxxx can fall for such tactics.

Now Harbhajan has joined the tamasha. Just wait till the mad mullahs and khaki chaddies join the circus. Watch this space buddy!! This is proving to be canon fodder for trouble makers.

And don't forget the matches were spread across three countries. If only countries in that region (Pak included) worked in partnership in other areas too ??? Who knows cricket might be the eye-opener. Unfortunately the likes of xxxx and Gambhir along with Islamic fundamentalists will be constantly reminding us that we should remain sworn enemies till kingdom come.

Where are these 'very educated, successful Indians' from? Single Malt sipping, Vasant Kunj/Defence Colony/Vasant Vihar Elites from Delhi or from Bombay? Punjabis?

I have never ever come across such a retarded bunch. I have had my share of WKKs but compared to these gandu bunch, they would appear hardcore nationalists. I can assure you that such opinion is not widespread AT ALL.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 07 Apr 2011 21:28

This is from a very special kind of person from the language used. Also look at how he tied the comments by Gambhir and others with how it will be perceived across the border and the general sentimental. Gambhir has invoked nationalistic feeling with his age group which is around 400M and this will have a long term affect. The post comment seems to go after this nationalism and target all people around it and even BJP when they are not even in the picture.

There is large segment which has been brainwashed to look at nationalism as evil and they are actually frightened about it. One guy confessed to me that it will wipe out all the work they have done in the last several decades. Keeping the people confused/dis informed has been the most succeesful project for this group

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 07 Apr 2011 21:44

Fifty militants killed in Mohmand Agency

MOHMAND AGENCY: At least 50 militants have been killed during a clash with security forces in the Mohmand Agency.

According to official sources the militants were killed as helicopter gunships pounded their hideouts.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Apr 2011 21:48

Poor Suckers.

Not only do they get killed, but they get labelled as militants after their death. Their families won't even get the bodies to properly cremate them.

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 07 Apr 2011 21:51

Self Deleted.

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 07 Apr 2011 21:54

Suicide blast kills Cop, injures 9 others including DIG

One Policeman was killed while nine people including Deputy Inspector General (Investigation) Quetta Police were injured in a suicide explosion, targetting the residence of the senior police official here on Thursday. “A powerful car bomb explosion took place after ramming the vehicle into the outer-wall of official residance of DIG Investigation Wazeer Khan Nasar near Police Line in Quetta Cantonment. The blast killed one policeman and caused injuries to nine others including DIG Investigation himself,” Police told media.

I would love to see all this pataka ceremony going on nonstop in pakjab.

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 07 Apr 2011 22:09

Agree with almost every word of this article.
Rethinking Pakistan

“Cricket diplomacy” and the meeting of the Indian and Pakistan home secretaries are important because these were approved through the back channel maintained by Delhi with the Chief of Army Staff, General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani — the hub of power in Pakistan. Whatever one may think of the Pakistan Army, it is a professional force driven by cold calculation. If it thinks it can get away with some outré action or the other against India, it does not hesitate to prosecute it (think Kargil).
Equally, it will do an about-turn and sue for “honourable peace” if some adventurist action misfires (recall Pervez Musharraf’s prodding Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to seek US intervention in the Kargil conflict, and his virtual mea culpa of January 12, 2002, after the December 13 terrorist attack on the Indian Parliament the previous year, in order to pre-empt a punitive Indian response and potentially uncontrollable escalation).

Apparently, Gen. Kayani and his uniformed cohort believe that the policy of orchestrated terrorist outrages has run its course, at least for now, as the Pakistan Army, in the grip of excesses at home by the Tehreek-e-Taliban outfits, unremitting drone attacks by its ally US and of the pressure of the US-led North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (Nato) forces in Afghanistan on the Pashtuns of North Waziristan that’s skewing the delicate tribal balance the Pakistani state has obtained over the years in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa province, needs relief on its eastern border. The question is can India capitalise on what seems to be rethinking underway in the Pakistan Army?
Alas, there is surprisingly less give here than is generally assumed. Rewind to the aftermath of Sharm el-Sheikh and how quickly Prime Minister Manmohan Singh was forced to backtrack on the issue of supposed concessions to his Pakistani counterpart. This is because India’s Pakistan policy is hostage to the petty calculations of the political class in the country and powerful ministries within the Indian government with vested interest in portraying Pakistan as menace. Pakistan Army’s nursing of terrorism as an asymmetric tool to keep India discomfited sustains this impression. But it does not over-ride the facts of the neighbouring country being economically weak, politically in a pitiful state and destabilised by unending violence and internal strife perpetrated by Islamic extremists. Nor does it preclude the need for a realistic assessment of the “Pakistan threat” given the sheer disparities. Pakistan’s gross domestic product, for instance, is less than one-quarter of the market capitalisation of the Mumbai stock exchange!

The trouble is that for the Indian politician ties with Pakistan are an externalisation of the sometimes tense Hindi-Muslim relations at home and both are manipulable for electoral gain. This is crass cynicism at work but the “Pakistan threat” also powers the Indian military’s existing force disposition and structure. Thus, the Army’s main force is deployed in the west, the short-legged Air Force is attuned mostly for contingencies involving Pakistan and the Navy has its stock North Arabian Sea orientation. Then again, how else can three strike corps worth of tanks, armoured personnel carriers and towed artillery accounting for 26 per cent to 32 per cent of the defence budget be justified if not with reference to Pakistan? Meanwhile, the far more substantive and credible threat emanating from China is only minimally addressed.

The nine Light Mountain Divisions desperately required as offensive capability to keep the People’s Liberation Army ensconced on the Tibetan plateau honest is nowhere as glamorous as armoured and mechanised formations. Like the IAS that ensures its group interests are never compromised come hell or high water, “cavalry” generals too are loath to see a reduction of armoured strength sufficient only to thrust and parry against a weak adversary’s limited capability.

Indeed, Pakistan is now the touchstone to get the government to wake up to even strategic deficiencies that are far more telling vis a vis China. Rapid Chinese strategic nuclear buildup was met with passivity, but recent press reports about Pakistan surpassing Indian nuclear weapons strength galvanised the government into ordering some remedial action.

Such Pakistan-centricity is ironic in light of the severely controlled wars of manoeuvre India is politically compelled to wage against Pakistan owing to the organic links of kinship and shared religion, culture, language and social norms binding the two countries. There is, moreover, the factor of the politically conscious Muslim electorate wielding the swing vote in almost half the Lok Sabha constituencies, who may countenance bloodying Pakistan but not its destruction. Such systemic constraints are not acknowledged by either side but have been in force from the 1947-48 Kashmir operations onwards. In any case, which Indian government would order a military dismantling of the Pakistani state resulting in 180 million Muslims, pickled in fundamentalist juices for half a century, rejoining the Indian fold?
The home ministry, intelligence agencies and Central and state police organisations, animated by an institutional habit of mind, are, likewise, Pakistan-fixated and feed the popular paranoia of a rogue Pakistan always preparing for the next terrorist spectacular on Indian soil. As the 2002 Operation Parakram showed, the right response to Islamabad-supported jihadi actions is not mobilising field armies but instantaneous retaliatory airstrikes on terrorist installations in Pakistani Kashmir in tandem with targeted intelligence operations elsewhere in that country. Combine the stick of such pressure with the carrot of incentives to wean Pakistan from its hostility, such as unilateral easing of the visa regime, and offer of open trade and investment. It is a policy mix Delhi has not seriously pursued.

But, surely nuclear Pakistan poses a threat? Short of total demolition, which India has not intended even with conventional military means, Pakistan will be offered no excuse for going nuclear. However, if despite the nuclear taboo the General Staff in Rawalpindi contemplates nuclear weapon use for any reason, including in what passes for “wars” in these parts, they’ll be ultimately dissuaded by an “exchange ratio” prohibitively stacked against their country. Loss of two Indian cities is not recompense enough for the certain extinction of Pakistan. It is simply a bad bargain.

bharat karnad is professor at the Centre for Policy Research, New Delhi

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 07 Apr 2011 23:18

Karachi: One killed, 15 hurt in hand grenade attack near Rainbow Center

KARACHI: At least one person reported killed while 15 other hurt in a hand grenade attack near Rainbow Center here on Thursday.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 07 Apr 2011 23:36

Chhota Dawood killed in Karachi

If reports are to be believed, the Indian intelligence agencies allegedly achieved yet another breakthrough on Monday by bumping off a key associate of Dawood Ibrahim at Karachi.

partha · Post by **partha** » 07 Apr 2011 23:53

shravan wrote:Chhota Dawood killed in Karachi

If reports are to be believed, the Indian intelligence agencies allegedly achieved yet another breakthrough on Monday by bumping off a key associate of Dawood Ibrahim at Karachi.

Are joo implying RAA will one day get David Abraham and then Pak Railways is forever doomed?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 07 Apr 2011 23:54

ShauryaT wrote:Agree with almost every word of this article.
Rethinking Pakistan

The trouble is that for the Indian politician ties with Pakistan are an externalisation of the sometimes tense Hindi-Muslim relations at home and both are manipulable for electoral gain.

Such Pakistan-centricity is ironic in light of the severely controlled wars of manoeuvre India is politically compelled to wage against Pakistan owing to the organic links of kinship and shared religion, culture, language and social norms binding the two countries. There is, moreover, the factor of the politically conscious Muslim electorate wielding the swing vote in almost half the Lok Sabha constituencies, who may countenance bloodying Pakistan but not its destruction.
bharat karnad is professor at the Centre for Policy Research, New Delhi

The number regarding the Lok Sabha constituencies does not seem to be correct. This Indian connection to the Pakistan must be disabused.

mayo · Post by **mayo** » 07 Apr 2011 23:56

DDM did pick that cannibalism news up

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 902629.cms

ISLAMABAD: A court in Pakistan's eastern city of Sargodha has extended the remand of two brothers accused of stealing corpses from a graveyard and then eating them.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Apr 2011 00:24

Some gangland war and Mumbai papers claims its work of India. Do the papers work for the Pakis?

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 08 Apr 2011 00:25

SBajwa wrote:Regarding naPakistani musings that Chandigarh crowd was "non-communal" and Mumbai crowd was "communal" as they played "Bande Matram" at Mumbai.

We all friends(Punjabi crowd of 12 ) watched it together (Pennsylvania, USA) and we all agreed that DJ at Chandigarh/mohali was much better as compared to the one at Mumbai.

He was playing way many more "Hindi/Punjabi" patriotic songs. Bande Matrem was played at Chandigarh (mohali) too right after India won the match. Here is a punjabi song that he played through out the match. naPakistanis do know punjabi.

Isn't it Vande Matram ?

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 08 Apr 2011 00:55

Explosion near Rainbow Centre in Karachi

The cause of the explosion according to officials was a fire cracker that had been thrown near a shop next to Rainbow Centre in Saddar.

The injured have been rushed to a local hospital for treatment of their wounds. Three of the injured are said to have serious injuries as a result of the explosion.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 08 Apr 2011 02:39

Wounds of 26/11 have not healed: Nirupama Rao

Though it has re-engaged with Pakistan on a wide range of issues that need to be addressed, India has said the wounds of Mumbai terror attack have not healed as yet and stressed on Islamabad taking with “utmost seriousness” its request for voice samples of the 26/11 accused.

Yes and no. I think my answer would bridge both these concepts. The wounds of 26/11 have not healed as yet. I think we would do wrong to the people who lost their lives and the families that continue to grieve as a result of what happened so tragically in Mumbai, if we were to say that 26/11 is behind us,” Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao said.

Obviously, the wounds of 26/11 will not heal easily. I think there is sentiment in this country in India and there is grief still which has not died. Let me put it this way. Our grief cannot die when it comes to 26/11,” she told Karan Thapar in an interview for CNBC. “The yes side is that.... we have to engage with each other across a wide range of issues that need to be addressed,” Ms. Rao said.

very clearly saying we will continue to engage with TSP without forgetting 26/11.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Apr 2011 02:41

She is diplomat and unfortunately is using her skills on Indians.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 08 Apr 2011 04:37

L'affaire Afridi

It was not about Afridi but the circumstances that made his say this. He is now caught in a cleft stick. If he says that he made these comments of his own volition then this makes him a bigot. If he admits that he was forced to make this comment then it only proves that the same hidden power that killed Salman Taseer and prevented any fateha from being read for him or the Pakistan Parliament from condemning the killing and honoured the assassin, increasingly and ominously rules the roost. Obviously, Afridi will never be able to say he was forced to make this statement.

This is Pakistan’s problem, but this is an ominous trend because it is not only threatening Pakistan’s liberal section but has now begun to attack even the Father of the Taliban, Maulana Fazlur Rehman with two assassination bids. It is the same mindset that is on the rampage when three bomb blasts killed 40 innocents in the attack on the Sufi Sakhi Sarwar shrine near Dera Ghazi Khan in southern Punjab on April 3.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 08 Apr 2011 05:01

jamwal wrote:
Isn't it Vande Matram ?

No, it is Vande Mataram.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 08 Apr 2011 05:10

Bankim was bengali and it was pronounced Bande by them?

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 08 Apr 2011 05:25

Nevertheless the national song is "Vande Mataram". There are other pronunciation differences from the original Bengali.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 08 Apr 2011 05:46

SBajwa wrote:. Khedenge Jutt ajj khoon diya Holiyan, Kar deo aj aj maar maar goliyan.
"Today Jutts will play holi with blood, lets celebrate it today by bullets"
Jaan nahi dene sukke bai peche paina e, chak lau revolver, raflaa kabzaa laina e
"We won't leave them dry today is confrontation day, pick up revolvers and rifles we need to get control of our land"I think these guys were genuinely scared at Chandigarh (due to the blood, gore songs played by DJ)
I don't get these liars.

Poaks do know that being the Children of Arabian Nights in Pakistan , they are now occupying the land not belonging to them. A Poak Jutt explained to one Jutt friend of mine about 3 years that they feel shy looking into the eyes of Indian Jutts. The shine in the eye disappear when they meet some one withsimilar last name from the East side.

arnab · Post by **arnab** » 08 Apr 2011 05:48

krisna wrote:L'affaire Afridi

From Sood's (ex RAW chief) article above :

This reaction was possibly to Gautam Gambhir’s silly comment that he dedicated the Indian victory to Mumbai 26/11.

Why was GG's comment silly?

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 08 Apr 2011 06:22

http://newsinsight.net/archivedebates/n ... recno=2126
I, me, myself
It's no surprise that Manmohan Singh's latest Pakistan initiative is a crashing failure, says N.V.Subramanian.

Before the BJP came to power, there was the notion that it alone could clamp down a peace with Pakistan. Regardless of how many people in India believed this, it was certainly a popular feeling in Pakistan.

The reasoning for this was simple -- and perhaps simplistic. With its hard-line on politics, including foreign relations, and with its links to the conservative RSS, the BJP was a match for the radicals in the Pakistan army and ISI.

Any solution that came in a BJP regime backed by a radical establishment on the Pakistan side would be acceptable to both countries. But what was the peace settlement to be? The details were fuzzy.

While much is made of the Vajpayee-Nawaz Sharief bonhomie, it is actually his engagement of Parvez Musharraf that is more interesting -- and illustrative.

Here was the architect of the Kargil War who lost it but nevertheless became a minor hero in his own country. He also had to face the full might of the Indian military machine menacing Pakistan on the border after the 13 December Parliament terrorist attack.

But Musharraf was a hard nut to crack. He did not reciprocate the intensity of Vajpayee's feelings for rapprochement until the two terrorist attacks on him. Even then, he confessed the limitations of his power.

He made it clear first during the Agra summit and repeatedly thereafter that without a consensus in Pakistan's military establishment, peace steps with India were hard to take.

The most he could deliver was a ceasefire on the LoC, and by and large, and for a variety of reasons, it has held. But beyond that, Vajpayee procured little on his Pak peace project, which was part of his political vision for India.

And yet, Manmohan Singh can never bring to successful closure Vajpayee's Pak peace project. There are several reasons for this.

The most important is that complete peace with Pakistan, which fundamentally means resolution of the J and K issue to both countries' satisfaction, can never materialize till the Islamist Pakistan army/ ISI reign supreme.

If Musharraf as part of this Islamist military establishment could not/ did not deliver to Vajpayee, how can Pakistan's current democratic figureheads make a grand presentation of peace to Manmohan Singh?

Immutable from Pakistan's perspective is its hate-India ideology, its compulsive need to avenge Bangladesh, and its determination to Balkanize this country, all of which are well-known and been frequently addressed in this magazine.

The other reason for Manmohan Singh's expected failure on Pakistan is that he approaches that country from a position of weakness. If India after the Kargil victory and Operation Parakram could not entirely convince Pakistan about peace, how can Manmohan bring a change of heart with zilch leverage?

And unlike Vajpayee who had the nation rallying behind him, Manmohan Singh as an isolated and unelected PM brings no traction to the Pak peace process.

But the most important reason for Manmohan Singh's failure on Pakistan is likely to emanate from his intentions. Having failed as PM on all fronts, he is desperate for success on Pakistan.

It was a most cynically-motivated decision to embed the Mohali summit in the match between India and Pakistan. Till two days ago, PMO officials were crowing about it to journalists over expensive coffee paid by you and me.

They were sure that India's World Cup victory and the alleged "Mohali spirit" would shore up Manmohan Singh's image. It was all about image-making.

Well, first Shahid Afridi crashed the PM's high spirits.

And now, the stink of corruption, which Manmohan Singh felt was wafted away by the World Cup, has returned to torment him again.

Nemesis has taken the form of Anna Hazare.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 08 Apr 2011 06:23

From Yawn - Abandon Pakistan and embrace India : US congressional panel

“Pakistan is about to go broke or collapse,” said Congressman Gary Ackerman, a New York Democrat. “The brightest light in South Asia`s constellation and the strategic centre of gravity for the region is India.”

The panel`s chairman Steve Chabot, an Ohio Republican, noted that “years of Pakistani mistrust of the US has resulted in a relationship in which cooperation on certain issues is often accompanied by obstruction on others”.

Daniel Feldman, the US State Department`s deputy special representative for Pakistan and Afghanistan, defended America`s ties with Pakistan but not many in the panel appeared interested in his advice. Mr Feldman conceded that there were differences between the two countries “but it is critical that we remain engaged in Pakistan”.

But Mr Ackerman would have nothing of it. “So if we gave another $20 billion, I guess, would they like us in the morning — (laughter) — as we gave $20 billion through another night?” he scoffed.

Dana Rohrabacher, a California Republican, said: “Those people in Pakistan now look at us — as do several other groups of people — like we're patsies.”

sum · Post by **sum** » 08 Apr 2011 06:37

krisna wrote:Wounds of 26/11 have not healed: Nirupama Rao
Though it has re-engaged with Pakistan on a wide range of issues that need to be addressed, India has said the wounds of Mumbai terror attack have not healed as yet and stressed on Islamabad taking with “utmost seriousness” its request for voice samples of the 26/11 accused.
very clearly saying we will continue to engage with TSP without forgetting 26/11.

If we are ready to engage with forgetting, what the $#%^ was the drama about no talks till action which played out for 2 years?

Also, couldn't the esteemed reporter ask madam Rao as to what was the action she saw which suddenly made them break a 2 year policy and start love making?

Sorry but if there was ever a way to show impotency of a nation, Pak achieved it with 26/11

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 08 Apr 2011 08:17

Talks with the Taliban in Pakistan?

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... n_pakistan

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 08 Apr 2011 10:31

CRamS wrote:
VikasRaina wrote:MMS or Pawar might be deranged but end of the day, it is the job of ordinary Indians to step up and refuse to be part of this terrorist love fest.
"Never forgive never forget"
Are you sure. I am just posting some snippets of conversations I had with very educated, successful Indias about India's WC win, MMS's bhaichara, and Gambhir's comments. I don't know how widespread such sentiments are among Indian public, but if this kind of nonsese is widely believed, India does not need TSPA/ISI/LET to distroy it, it will disintegerate to its own internal contradictions of this type.

During Congress rule India has won the 2011 World Cup, we are the number one Test nation and we won the World T20. When we won the 1983 World Cup it was Congress at the centre. Something transforms the nation when Congress is in power. Let alone economic progress.

Good one xxxx Looks like all the BJP f%^&s have vanished though. MMS and Sonia are doing such a fantastic job that they are completely baffled and do not know what to do.

Make Sonia Gandhi a life long Board Member of BCCI for her (and her husband's family's) immense sacrifice and immeasurable contribution to making what is Bharat Matha today. Jai Hind!!! Poor man Rajiv Gandhi died for the nation. Which BJP chaddi has done that. On the other hand they killed the Mahatma - that is their enduring contribution. Next time Gambhir enters the stadium they should search him for weapons. He seems to display suicide-bomber like tendencies.

Good one xxxx. Yuvraj has a good sense of humor compared to the Gambhir a$%^&*e. I bet Gambhir has done nothing for the Indian army other than his bullshit statement of dedicating the match to them. I wonder what the f$%^k he would have said if they had lost the match. Only the naive like xxxx can fall for such tactics.

Now Harbhajan has joined the tamasha. Just wait till the mad mullahs and khaki chaddies join the circus. Watch this space buddy!! This is proving to be canon fodder for trouble makers.

And don't forget the matches were spread across three countries. If only countries in that region (Pak included) worked in partnership in other areas too ??? Who knows cricket might be the eye-opener. Unfortunately the likes of xxxx and Gambhir along with Islamic fundamentalists will be constantly reminding us that we should remain sworn enemies till kingdom come.

CRamS ji, We have population of 1.2 billion. There will always be people who will remain Dhimmi forever and would not let go of any opportunity
to utter nonsense and save Paki @ss. Heck I have close friends who are absolutely in love with Congress and I say nothing wrong with that.
democracy should allow people with all sorts of ideas.
My concern is about the percentage of such folks and if they belong to the group who will eventually end up ruling us irrespective of the party affiliation.
About GG, His utterances make him a hero for me. We ordinary Indians have not and will not forget 26/11 and the country which was behind it in a huff even if we can do $hit about revenge.

Afridi would have been given a pass making cheap comments about India and Muslims and blah blah! but he cooked his goose when he complained about Indian Media. You cannot accuse DDM and then get away with it, They will shred you and your family and your uncles to pieces and suck you dry and in there lies our strategy.
Media should be our partner in highlighting Paki perfidy and double speak. Somehow we have failed in achieving that goal.
Either get a crazy channel like Fox news in India or plant our own DDM's in these channels as a long term strategy.
JMT...

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 08 Apr 2011 10:35

I'm wondering if MMS's cricket diplomacy has any relationship to Pakistan deploying 2 divisions in KSA, and the possibility of them deploying more there, and moving a few corps into Balochistan to the Pak-Iran border.

Obviously, Pakistan would be very insecure as to their position along the LOC because of any such moves, and massa and the GCC states would have wanted India to go the extra length to assuage pakistan that india will not make any unilateral moves to 'reclaim what in actuality belongs to india in the first place'.

I hope that India has asked for its pound of flesh, for keep the LOC quiet, while the pakistanis are doing Ummah duty elsewhere.