The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby Aditya_V » 17 Aug 2011 16:13

Narad-> whats the point of your post? What needs to exposed are Bank accounts, relationship with foreign Interests and cotrie of other players in India.

Calling them names is a personal attack with no value.

I think it is better you delete your post.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby Philip » 17 Aug 2011 16:53

A crushing defeat for "Uncle Scam",the release of AH and co.,even though he "blasted" AH in this report.Uncle Scam has learnt nothing and is totyally clueless about the mood of the nation."None so blind that those that cannot see",is the old adage and in Uncle Scam's case we can safely add,"None so dumb that those that cannot speak"!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... riker.html

Indian prime minister Manmohan Singh blasts hunger striker
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh lashed out at India's most prominent anti-corruption crusader on Wednesday, accusing the fasting activist of trying to circumvent democracy by demanding Parliament pass a reform bill he supports.

Police arrested Hazare on Tuesday to scuttle his plans to hold a public fast and tried to free him hours later. However, Hazare refused to leave the jail unless he was granted permission to hold a public demonstration aimed at forcing lawmakers to strengthen a draft bill that would create an anti-corruption ombudsman.

The standoff has galvanised Indians fed up with the seemingly endless bribery scandals and cronyism and it has flustered Singh's beleaguered government.

Shouting over jeering opposition lawmakers, Singh told Parliament on Wednesday that while Hazare had the right to express his views on the draft bill, he was improperly usurping the role of India's elected representatives by trying to force them to pass his own version of the anti-corruption legislation.

"The path that he has chosen to impose his draft of a bill upon Parliament is totally misconceived and fraught with grave consequences for our parliamentary democracy," Singh said.

Those who believe that their voice and their voice alone represents the will of 1.2 billion people should reflect deeply on that position," Singh said. "They must allow the elected representatives of the people in Parliament to do the job that they were elected for."

Hazare, clad in the simple white cotton garb of India's liberation leaders, has become an anti-corruption icon by channelling the tactics of freedom fighter Mohandas K. Gandhi.


The government is battling corruption allegations stemming from the murky sale of cell phone licenses and the hosting of last year's Commonwealth Games, which together lost the country as much as $40 billion, according to government auditors. The main opposition is mired in a multibillion-dollar bribery scandal involving the granting of mining contracts in southern India.

The scandals have embarrassed the government and paralysed Parliament, with lawmakers trading insults and accusations instead of addressing widespread malnutrition and a desperate need for land reform. On Tuesday, Parliament adjourned amid screaming between government and opposition lawmakers over Hazare's arrest

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby Manish_Sharma » 17 Aug 2011 17:02

Suppiah wrote:Wondering why Con-gress is not exploiting 'Mother India' ( as Mark Tully sarcastically puts it..beautiful article) illness?


They are saving it for later, wait it'll happen as the energy of people calms down, she'll enter the scene with correct make-up just buying time for now........

Remember in BR times too she was outside the country, but when she came back the media reported she was out of Delhi.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby chackojoseph » 17 Aug 2011 17:15

Just heard the B'strd Kapil Sibal speaking in the Parliament. He speaks as if its the parliament is preserve of elites. He siad "These Civil Society people and common people have to be told." :evil:

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby Pranay » 17 Aug 2011 17:26

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 632518.cms

It is amply clear by such pronouncements by the PM - Honorable Dr. Man Mohan Singh - that he is either reading a script handed down to him by powers above him or that he genuinely (sadly) truly believes in what he is saying.

This shows a profound disconnect with the facts on hand and with the masses of the country.

Anna Hazare has always held up the supremacy of Parliament in making laws - he or his core team has never been for abrogating the right to make laws to themselves. Then how come such deliberate mis-information???

The old adage, it seems is lost on this government -

YOU CAN FOOL ALL THE PEOPLE SOME OF THE TIME, SOME PEOPLE ALL THE TIME, BUT YOU CAN NEVER FOOL ALL THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME!!

Time to start packing your bags...

Asserting that Parliament was the sole body to frame laws, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Wednesday said Anna Hazare had sought to impose his version of Lokpal Bill and his path was "totally misconceived" and fraught with "grave consequences" for Parliamentary democracy.

Making a statement in both Houses of Parliament in the wake of action against Hazare and his supporters, Singh said the government acknowledges the right of citizens to hold peaceful protests but permission for these is given subject to "appropriate conditions".

Amid continued chants of "shame shame" by Opposition benches, he appealed to all political parties to ensure that the government and its processes and Parliament and its processes function smoothly and effectively.

While giving details of the sequence of events that led to civil activist's arrest and subsequent release, Singh said Hazare had been held as a preventive measure because of apprehension of breach of peace.

"Government does not seek any confrontation with any section of the society. But when some sections of society deliberately challenge the authority of government and prerogative of Parliament, it is the bounden duty of the government to maintain peace and tranquility," he asserted after demand by all Opposition parties that nothing short of Prime Minister's statement would satisfy them.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby Aditya_V » 17 Aug 2011 17:31

If Parliment is the Sole Body to frame laws, why is that being done by the Harsh Manders, Rajendra Sachars and John Dayals right now?

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby Pranay » 17 Aug 2011 17:32

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 628895.cms

Young people joined the protest in their own ways - some skipped lunch, others joined the crowd at Freedom Park and Electronic City and some even wore T-shirts inside out.

At IISc, many students fasted in support of Anna; 20 of them cycled to Freedom Park from their campus and unfurled a banner which had the signature of over 600 students supporting Anna's cause. "About 200 students skipped lunch to show their solidarity," said Pankaj Jain, Integrated PhD student at IISc.

Indian Institute of Management- Bangalore students wore T-shirts inside out. Mihir Mogre, who came up with this idea, said "Any corrupt system should be turned upside down". Trilochan Shashtri, dean, academics, pledged to skip a meal every day till the government agrees to a strong Lokpal bill. Students from IIM -Ahmedabad and IITs in Gandhinagar, Guwahati and Hyderabad set up an online petition supporting them.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby Pranay » 17 Aug 2011 17:40

http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?731565

Support for Anna Hazare swells across the country - Day 2

Very nice to see how the whole country is united behind this movement and how the government stands isolated by their arrogance and short sighted actions...

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby Pranay » 17 Aug 2011 17:50

http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?731553

Some hard hitting words in Parliament by Arun Jaitley...

BJP today tore into Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's statement over Anna Hazare's arrest saying UPA government's restrictions on public protests were unheard of even during the British period and demanded "bold decisions" to tackle corruption.

Terming the statement as "disappointing" and "not inspiring confidence", Leader of the Opposition Arun Jaitley said in Rajya Sabha that the country was exasperated with the government and the level of corruption in UPA's rule and hence people were protesting in streets.

Jaitley said the problem with the government is there are too many lawyers advising the Prime Minister and nobody understands that political problems have to be solved politically and not by police.


"Do you even recollect from British regime when these kinds of restrictions were imposed on freedom fighters and Gandhiji...You cannot impose such unnecessary conditions," Jaitley said denouncing the 22 restrictions by the Delhi police on Hazare's protest fast.

The BJP leader was critical of conditions like limiting the number of people attending the protest, its duration and the number of vehicles at the protest site.

"Is Congress party willing to give a guarantee that they will not hold a protest having more than 5,000 people in future?" Jaitley asked.


He said the advisors of the government failed to realise the magnitude of the issue and overwhelming support for Hazare and hence the Prime Minister now has to "hide behind the Delhi Police Commissioner" for the decisions related to Hazare's arrest.

Accusing the government of "unleashing a new political idiom" against those fighting corruption, Jaitley said "political spokesmen are being used literally as hitmen."

"Is that the level to which you have brought the level of the political discourse. Smugness, which has become a character of this government, Arrogance, which has become a character of this government - is not the way to fight corruption," he said.

Jaitley said it was the government's advisors and agencies which let it down. "Your advisors let you down. Your agencies let you down... You are now in a trap," he said.


The Prime Minister, Jaitley said, was trying to build a thesis that Hazare's protest was some sort of a confrontation between Parliament and civil society but the Opposition rejects it.

"Text of your statement is that...There is a confrontation between Parliament and civil society. We are refusing to bite this bit. This is not a confrontation between civil society and Parliament of India. We refuse to accept this agenda," he said.

Jaitley said the Prime Minister' statement has left him wondering "who runs and who rules the country" and added that the statement that it was Delhi Police, which took decisions like arresting Hazare, gives an impression that the political authority of the country was hiding behind some men in uniform.

"It is time for the Prime Minister and the political leadership of India to really stand up and take bold decision. He must go to root of the issue as to why such a loss of faith and confidence has taken place in his government," he said.


Jaitley said the most defining moment on the Independence Day was not the Prime Minister hoisting flag at the Red Fort but thousands of people voluntarily gathering to pray with Anna Hazare at Rajghat while his arrest became the defining moment next day.

"Why this did not happen in past....People of India are exasperated with corruption. They are exasperated with this government and the political leadership of the day," he said alleging that the UPA government did not offer any solution to the menace but was engaged only in "cover-ups".


Jaitley said the government only resorted to repeated phrases when "monumental scams" like CWG and in Telecom and National Highway kept on taking place.

"You pick up any infrastructure decision, you find decisions being taken for collateral purposes," he said accusing the government of living in state of "denial" on these issues and taking action only when "coerced" to do so by the courts and the Opposition.

"Why to blame the youths (on streets), when even the Vote of Confidence in Parliament is vitiated by corruption," he posed, asking the government to treat the Hazare issue as a "wake up call".

"Unless we put our house in order and the government leads us in putting the house in order, people of the country are becoming restless," he said.

Noting that nobody is disputing Parliament's right to frame the laws, the BJP leader said the question is whether the government has the willpower to fight corruption.

Jaitley also slammed Singh's Independence Day speech in which he had said that there was no "magic wand" to root out corruption..


"A Bundle of Lies"

Angered over the arrest of Anna Hazare, Opposition dismissed as a "bundle of lies" Manmohan Singh's statement on the issue, noting that the arrest of the Gandhian has brought people on the streets all over the country.

"This government is not only corrupt but also repressive ...Corruption is a big issue and the way you have acted the people are on the streets," Leader of the Opposition Sushma Swaraj said, initiating a discussion on the issue in the Lok Sabha.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby Pranay » 17 Aug 2011 18:00

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/18/world ... &ref=world

Standoff Deepens Between New Delhi and Jailed Protest Leader
By JIM YARDLEY
Published: August 17, 2011

NEW DELHI —The standoff between the Indian government and the anticorruption protest leader Anna Hazare spilled into Wednesday as Mr. Hazare remained in jail, insisting that he would not leave until officials agreed to allow him to stage an indefinite hunger strike this week in the national capital.

Mr. Hazare’s refusal to leave jail appeared to back government leaders into a political corner. In Parliament, opposition leaders lacerated the government’s handling of the situation after more than 2,600 protesters were detained on Tuesday in New Delhi but later released. Protests also erupted in support of Mr. Hazare in other Indian cities. And outside Tihar Jail on Wednesday, hundreds of supporters stood beneath the wilting midday heat, awaiting the appearance of their leader.

“Anna, you struggle!” they chanted. “We are with you!”

Mr. Hazare’s presence inside Tihar Jail was especially embarrassing to the government, since several politicians charged with corruption are currently being held inside the facility.


Kiran Bedi, an ally and close adviser to Mr. Hazare, said at midday on Wednesday that jail officials had sent word that Mr. Hazare would soon be leaving, indicating that some sort of deal had been struck. But by 5 p.m., Mr. Hazare remained inside the jailhouse, where allies said he was already fasting. Asked if his release would represent a victory in their showdown with the government, Ms. Bedi demurred.

“For me, this is not a victory,” she said. “For me, we are all working for the country. It is not win or lose.”

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby Pranay » 17 Aug 2011 18:13

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-14554000

For the pictorially inclined... Protests across the country over Anna's arrest.

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Postby Singha » 17 Aug 2011 18:19

was fun to see 85 yr Jethmalani launch a scathing attack in parliament saying "we have a PM who has never contested a election in his life, so what does he know about the pulse of the people" lol

have to say the old gent is still sharper and has more fight than people decades older!

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Postby Aditya_V » 17 Aug 2011 18:29

Singha wrote:was fun to see 85 yr Jethmalani launch a scathing attack in parliament saying "we have a PM who has never contested a election in his life, so what does he know about the pulse of the people" lol

have to say the old gent is still sharper and has more fight than people decades older!


And not to forget does not even vote in the state which has elected him to RS and openly reads out in Public that he has received "Adesh" i.e an order to a Junior from a Superior from a couple of people. I think he has reached a new low as far as PM's are considered.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby rahulm » 17 Aug 2011 19:06

Just stating the obvious here, the attitude of the government is colonial (aka rulers). If the elected government of the people were really for the people, this tamasha would not have happened. Instead, they would have welcomed people participation wholeheartedly.

But since the government seems to not be for the people though by the people, usual processes cannot apply to a nation seeking recourse.

Some comments made by various people in government, illuminati and chatterati in the news and my response:

Citizens have a right to protest but last word on any Bill is that of Parliament


is no different than the British colonial rules saying "Gandhi can a protest but we [the rulers] will have the last word". Coming from an elected government it smacks of supreme arrogance.

Only the parliament can pass laws


True statement. However, the parliamentarians are using the parliament to pass self serving laws. Again, this has multi-partisan support.

For the record so far, there have been 10 unsuccessful attempts spanning 40+ years and various party governments to pass a Lokpal bill.

From the print version of TOI (text in[] is my addition), "The idea of the Lokpal emanated from the office of Ombudsman prevalent in Scandinavian countries. The first attempt to form Lokpal in India failed after the bill passed in the 4th Lok Sabha in 1969 [Congress] but could not get past the Rajya Sabha.

Lokpal bills introduced in 1971 [Congress], 1977 [Janata], 1985 [Congress], 1989 [Janata Dal], 1996 [United Front or BJP??], 1998 [BJP], 2001 [BJP], 2005 [Congress] and 2008 [Congress] [Note:Party tenures not fully verified]

Keeping the Lokpal bill permanently in Trishanku space seems to have bi-partisan,even multi-partisan support!

Well, with the dismal record across 4 decades and across different parties what basis should the people have any confidence in our Parliamentarians in relation to the Lokpal? Parliamentarians have certainly not passed the Lokpal so the people, through Anna are making their displeasure felt and voices heard.

Is is also patently clear that the police, ostensibly setup to serve the public apolitically are nothing more than an instrument to serve governments in power. Going by publicly visible lack of dissent, the Police also don't seem to be not unhappy with this arrangement. This nothing less than treachery by the government and police towards the people it is supposed to serve [not rule].

"Row over lokapl should be resolved only through the Parliamentary process" - Maharashtra CM P. Chauhan.


Right sir, noble aim. However, with the past record of both the UPA [now in government and having the numbers] and the BJP [in opposition] in relation to the Lokpal how is the person on the street supposed to use the Parliamentary process to resolve the Lokpal bill?

This is like the British demanding Gandhi use the courts of law [overseen by the British] to overthrow British rule.

Would be hilarious if the CM was not serious.

Lokpal will not solve corruption as the problem is with the current Criminal Justice system- former CJ.


Well, the honourable CJ may have a point but he wants us to take recourse to the same corrupt criminal justice system which delivers a verdict at least 1 generation later!. And sir, how do we reform the criminal justice system. Well, maybe, Lokpal is the answer!

And what is with the US first asking the UPA to exercise restraint and and the next day lauding "Indian democracy and its processes? Who is this public message meant for?

Finally, MMS and the UPA passed the RTI bill which, for the first time gives the ordinary citizen some teeth, well, at least 1 tooth into the government machinery. How did this bill get passed?

Although,the BJP do not appear to be saints either in relation to the Lokpal, they would be well served by keeping their lips absolutely shut.
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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby ramana » 17 Aug 2011 19:11

In press reports on Aug 14th ie Sunday they reported that Rahul baba was a key decison maker(at Congress Bhavan, returning from abroad-who knows if its US or Europe) in GOI deciding to arrest Anna Hazare to prevent his fast. How come now (Aug16th) he does a volte face and demands Anna Hazare's release! And MMS complies immediately.

Looks like it was another move to boost Rahul's image that backfired.
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Here is Gandhi family accolyte confirming Rahulbaba's role in the arrest of AH on August 15th

http://www.politicsparty.com/DELHI_POLICE.php

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby ramana » 17 Aug 2011 19:15

rahulm, And don't forget that UPA govt headed by honest and clean MMS, itself bought votes to make vote of no confidence fail in 2008. So its part of the problem.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby chackojoseph » 17 Aug 2011 19:23

If lokpal cannot solve corruption, then why are politicians afraid of passing it in original form?

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby Vasu » 17 Aug 2011 19:26

Reuters calls it India's Arab spring. So the current UpeeA governmint is equal equal with Hosni, Basher, Ben Ali and Gaddafi!

Analysis: India risks facing its own Arab Spring

While no one is expecting an Egypt-like overthrow in the world's biggest democracy, a galvanized and frustrated middle class and the mushrooming of social networking sites combined with an aggressive private media may be transforming India's political landscape.

Anna Hazare has quickly become a 21st century Mahatma Gandhi inspiration for millions of Indians fed up with rampant corruption, red tape and inadequate services provided by the state despite the country posting near-double digit economic growth for almost a decade.

Politicians are increasingly being judged on governance rather than old caste and regional ties - as has already happened in states like Bihar - and the new social shift will push national parties to be more responsive to voters' needs.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, the Congress party of the Gandhi-Nehru dynasty and the police stood isolated over the decision to arrest a man for planning a peaceful fast.

What is also apparent is that the anti-corruption protests have shown the limited influence of opposition parties, largely sidelined. They will need to reform to win over an increasingly disenfranchised population.



The only reason I don't feel as elated is because the people voted this jackals in.

And in psy-ops watch, the article mentions the "main opposition party" several times but not once does it write the BJP!

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Postby ramana » 17 Aug 2011 19:27

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Postby Pranay » 17 Aug 2011 19:50

Nice Cartoon there Ramana - Very Angry Birds Indeed!!

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby A_Gupta » 17 Aug 2011 19:58

FYI, via twitter, Mahatma Gandhi, July 7, 1946, speech to the AICC:
Total non-violent non-co-operation has no place in popular Raj, whatever its level may be.

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Postby jagga » 17 Aug 2011 20:00

Repeat of emergency :?: . Con-party is desperate and has gone mad.
'Foreign' hand behind Anna's stir, doubts Cong
Suspecting a 'foreign' hand behind Anna Hazare's anti-graft movement, Congress on Wednesday raised questions on the US' statement that India would exercise 'appropriate democratic restraint' in dealing with peaceful protest and asked the government to inquire how a 'lone' civil rights activist is drawing support.
"US never supported any movement in India since its independence. For the first time, the US said that Anna Hazare's movement should be allowed and there should be no obstruction to it. What was the need for the US to give this statement?" party spokesperson Rashid Alvi told mediapersons at the All India Congress Committee briefing.

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Postby Pranay » 17 Aug 2011 20:03

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 638239.cms

These Congress chamchas have completely lost it... reminds one of Indira Gandhi days prior to the Emergency - where even drought and other natural calamities were the work of "the foreign hand".

Suspecting a "foreign" hand behind Anna Hazare's anti-graft movement, the Congress on Wednesday raised questions on the US' statement that India should exercise "appropriate democratic restraint" in dealing with peaceful protest and asked the government to inquire how a "lone" civil rights activist is drawing support.

"US never supported any movement in India since its independence. For the first time, the US said that Anna Hazare's movement should be allowed and there should be no obstruction to it. What was the need for the US to give this statement?

"It needs to be considered whether there is any power which is supporting this movement which wants to destabilise not only the government but the country. We need to take the statement of the US seriously," party spokesperson Rashid Alvi told reporters at the AICC briefing.


Asked whether it is the official position of the party and whether he is saying all this on the party's behalf as UPA government has many times in past been attacked by the Left over an alleged pro-US tilt more so after India signed the nuclear deal, Alvi said "all that I have said I have said on behalf of my party".

Asked whether Congress has made preliminary inquiries before making this allegation suggesting that the US was behind Anna's agitation, he said "government should inquire about it and find out the truth".

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby Virupaksha » 17 Aug 2011 20:05

A_Gupta wrote:FYI, via twitter, Mahatma Gandhi, July 7, 1946, speech to the AICC:
Total non-violent non-co-operation has no place in popular Raj, whatever its level may be.

Gandhi also said disband congress, which seems to be forgotten by the Gandhiwaadis :((

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby jagga » 17 Aug 2011 20:34

One of the slogan from outside the Tihar Jail is " woh sarkar nikammi hai, Sonia jiski mummy hai " :lol:

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby SaiK » 17 Aug 2011 20:39

nice cartoon, but it is not a joke but political reality. look at those dam pigs! all we need is have correct magnitude to deliver the AH bird! I want the pigs and the future pigs to be destroyed as well. police revamp is necessary and should be done along with this lok pal bill.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby Muppalla » 17 Aug 2011 20:39

Vasu wrote:Reuters calls it India's Arab spring. So the current UpeeA governmint is equal equal with Hosni, Basher, Ben Ali and Gaddafi!


With Madam Sonia being lapatha (escaped from Nation ;) ) and crowds wearing jeans on the street, we can say it is India's Arap spring or even fight against India's Ferdinand Marcos.

However there are two serious thoughts from an "India as a country" situation. There is a long shot view of Indonesia's model being executed on India. (CT haters do not read)
(1) Using all sorts of means and EVM fraud - UPA government was planted on India (Suharto government)
(2) Ensures the pilliage and plunder of India's wealth so that Indian commoner will be mad as hell and will do blindly anything
(3) Given the safe passage to the leader to unknow destination
(4) Create a Arap spring using a Gandhian leader so that the mad blind jeans wearing ITVity crowd becomes part of the overthrow the government. However, ensure all the foreign agents, ISI agents and those who want to use plebicite/referundums behind the Gandhian.
(5) Next use one of these worthies to start a political party - Yet to happen. (this is post Suharto phase - Abdul Wajid == Prashan bushan??)
(6) One of the worthies will form the government and conducts plebicite in JK and signs no-Nukes for India. Will be part of all no-development and all-environment treaties

The jeans clad ITVity can enjoy the pubs.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby sanjeevpunj » 17 Aug 2011 20:44

By direct inference, if a powerful man protects the corrupt, he is to be considered corrupt.This means,Dr MMS, who is using all his power to protect the coterie around him, despite their involvement in scams, should also be considered part of the problem of corruption.On a personal level he maybe the most honest man in India, but if he is bent on protecting his ministers, he is to be considered under the scanner.Such behaviour is a weakness.On the contrary he should come out and support AH vocally.
Kapil Sibal and Chidambaram claim it is the right of the Parliament to make the bill, and and not to be dictated by unelected activists, but what is the point in making a bill that will not have any positive influence on corruption, and will instead award punishment to whistle-blowers. The bill should protect the interest of the common man, then it is a genuine Lok Pal Bill.The points suggested by Anna Team are valid and must be accepted as they are, only then would the battle against corruption be carried forward in the right direction.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby AnimeshP » 17 Aug 2011 20:49

Pranay wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Congress-suspects-foreign-hand-behind-Anna-Hazare-fast/articleshow/9638239.cms

These Congress chamchas have completely lost it... reminds one of Indira Gandhi days prior to the Emergency - where even drought and other natural calamities were the work of "the foreign hand".

Suspecting a "foreign" hand behind Anna Hazare's anti-graft movement, the Congress on Wednesday raised questions on the US' statement that India should exercise "appropriate democratic restraint" in dealing with peaceful protest and asked the government to inquire how a "lone" civil rights activist is drawing support.

"US never supported any movement in India since its independence. For the first time, the US said that Anna Hazare's movement should be allowed and there should be no obstruction to it. What was the need for the US to give this statement?

"It needs to be considered whether there is any power which is supporting this movement which wants to destabilise not only the government but the country. We need to take the statement of the US seriously," party spokesperson Rashid Alvi told reporters at the AICC briefing.


Asked whether it is the official position of the party and whether he is saying all this on the party's behalf as UPA government has many times in past been attacked by the Left over an alleged pro-US tilt more so after India signed the nuclear deal, Alvi said "all that I have said I have said on behalf of my party".

Asked whether Congress has made preliminary inquiries before making this allegation suggesting that the US was behind Anna's agitation, he said "government should inquire about it and find out the truth".



The congress is acting like Zaid Hamid (everything is a YYY conspiracy onlee) ... they have already blamed the Yindu (RSS), the Yankee ... now just waiting for them to add the Yehudi ... :lol:

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby sum » 17 Aug 2011 21:04

"It needs to be considered whether there is any power which is supporting this movement which wants to destabilise not only the government but the country. We need to take the statement of the US seriously," party spokesperson Rashid Alvi told reporters at the AICC briefing.

This is the same Rashid Alvi who had said that Kargil was BJP's war and there was no reason to celebrate Vijay Diwas.

Hope someone throws a long overdue chappal on him atleast for this new BS being peddled instead of his earlier Kargil statement ( for which he should have been called out)

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby sum » 17 Aug 2011 21:05

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Congress-suspects-foreign-hand-behind-Anna-Hazare-fast/articleshow/9638239.cms

These Congress chamchas have completely lost it... reminds one of Indira Gandhi days prior to the Emergency - where even drought and other natural calamities were the work of "the foreign hand".

One of the comments for this article:

There is a FOREIGN HAND in the way Congress treated Anna. That foreign hand is having surgery in New York. There is a FORIEGN HAND in Italy also controlling how MMS and his ministers have been behaving.

:lol: :lol:

Why is the INC behaving more and more stupidly? Is it because of the secure belief that everything will be forgiven and forgotten by 2014 time( usual Indian junta short term memory) or is this just a ploy as Muppalla-ji suspects?
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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby SaiK » 17 Aug 2011 21:05

Lok pal and all, we need Zero Tolerance for Corruption.. this should be routed out of gov setup. From issuing drivers license, getting electricity connection, water connection, any thing to deal with any gov dept, bribery is a must. This must be erased!..first.

Next, the corruptions at medium and higher level, where box filled with money gets exchanged between the men in power and the men seeking power or services.

finally, all babooze must change to policy driven politics rather elected on the basis of a party. The parties may choose defined policies and voted by public.

I think Indians should have the rights to vote for a policy along side with the rights to vote or bring down a gov and its members.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby Dhiman » 17 Aug 2011 21:15

I see the following points to pursue and take away from this fiasco:

1. Each city in the country must have a large central preassigned place where people can exercise their fundamental right to protest [b]without seeking any permission from ANYONE in any way. Right of protest should be unrestricted, with the government only stepping in to ensure that adequate facilities are made available at all times to facilitate such protests.

2. Parliament has the right to pass laws, but only as long as they listen to people, but not to corporate lobbyist, rich businessmen, foreign interests, and sack full of Rs 500 notes to bribe MPs. Now that the people are stepping forward, these criminals who have been elected to make laws are running scared.

3. This time the protestors are giving space to government to reach a settlement. If the government still does not "get it", then next time rest assured, there will be people climbing over PMO walls to physically dislodge him from this post while the Gandhi's are desperately trying to flee the country with their ill gotten wealth.

4. The key question that needs to be answered is: whether the government has got the message (for its own good) or not?

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby ramana » 17 Aug 2011 21:19

Not till now.

Now we know who the real fascists are in India.

BTW, the fascists and nazis used to attack their opponents to suppress any dissent.

Commies used to arrest them and seize the property.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby Dhiman » 17 Aug 2011 21:23

SaiK wrote:Lok pal and all


Keeping the history of bad governance as a living example, in all likelihood LokPal is going to be an ineffective organization. But what matters here is to show the corrupt that they are LOOSING. Pick a fight with these corrupt ministers, any fight and make them loose, challenge them and their bank accounts at every steps thereby making them scared of their nalayak children's livelihood and life of luxury.
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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby sum » 17 Aug 2011 21:25

Now we know who the real fascists are in India.

The only fascist in the country governs a western stateas per secular media

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby SwamyG » 17 Aug 2011 21:53

The difference between INC and Commies is akin to the difference between USA and former-USSR. With USSR and Commies, we know their position, their sympathies, their rhetoric and their actions -they are predicable. The only thing predictable about INC and USA is that we know they need close studying - their intentions, their rhetoric or principles might conflict with their actions. Both INC and USA as institution will carry several good and honest people within their ranks, and ultimately are sacrificed for the sake of the institution. INC surely has millions of honest party workers and nationalistic leaders - who are as anti-corruption as the circumstances allow. Sadly, they are being used. It is similar to Shiv's oil drop analogy.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Postby Nandu » 17 Aug 2011 21:54

Aditya_V wrote:If Parliment is the Sole Body to frame laws, why is that being done by the Harsh Manders, Rajendra Sachars and John Dayals right now?


You are right regarding Mander. The NAC does undermine the constitution and should be abolished.

As for Sachar, appointment of a committee by the PM is perfectly legitimate.

I have no idea what John Dayal is doing in your list. What law did he frame?


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