Back then, the US army spent a lot of time and effort to track Geronimo down. It could be just that.RajeshA wrote:Was somebody trying to say, that they consider Osama bin Laden as one who intruded upon American Homeland, with his 9/11 attack, and like Geronimo, the Americans are fighting back!
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I am cutting them some slack on the ingress part - if they took off from a paki tarbela airbase instructions would have been passed to overlook where this merry band were going (except that kayani didnt know they were headed for the kingpin, just thought it must be some disposable tier3 type who would be taken out)
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JAEGER,
Could that chopper be an EH-101 version.
It looks like the tail rotor has a cover over it possibly to protect it from small arms fire / RPG hits.
The only thing is that the tail rotor is 4 bladed.
Could that chopper be an EH-101 version.
It looks like the tail rotor has a cover over it possibly to protect it from small arms fire / RPG hits.
The only thing is that the tail rotor is 4 bladed.
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Bhaiyya I don't understand what's the big deal with his kidney business.
How difficult would it be to halal an Abdul/Ayesha and use his/her kidneys for a kidney transplant?
With so many Abdul's getting halaled on a daily basis I am also sure a lot of Abdul's must have volunteered to donate their kidneys for Bin Laden baba.
Kidney transplant is not such a complicated procedure anymore, all it takes is a week to recover after surgery.
How difficult would it be to halal an Abdul/Ayesha and use his/her kidneys for a kidney transplant?
With so many Abdul's getting halaled on a daily basis I am also sure a lot of Abdul's must have volunteered to donate their kidneys for Bin Laden baba.
Kidney transplant is not such a complicated procedure anymore, all it takes is a week to recover after surgery.
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Thadaasthu Vats!!Singha wrote: methinks long term pakistan is going to be the next afghanistan - torn apart by the two wild dogs USA and China, just as AF was destroyed by USA and USSR.
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saip wrote:The movie would be named 'For God and Country, Geronimo, Geronimo, Geronimo'
There is already a movie named Geronimo. Geronimo was a Native American fighter/leader.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geronimo
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Thanks klausji....found it...but I thought..an insignia would be on sides of any aircraft...and the one you are pointing seems to face up or down...
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Anothing to remember is that OBL has been in Afghanistan, NWFP, Pakistan for several years.
It is likely that he speaks urdu, Pashto along with Arabic and english.
It is likely that he speaks urdu, Pashto along with Arabic and english.
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please refer to him by his real name - GoyakhlaDipanker wrote:saip wrote:The movie would be named 'For God and Country, Geronimo, Geronimo, Geronimo'
There is already a movie named Geronimo. Geronimo was a Native American fighter/leader.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geronimo
geronimo is a nick name coined by mexican soldiers who called on st. geronimo for aid when under attack by the chiricahua apache under goyakhla
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Then why are Paki turds and a poster here were crying that OBL was dead years ago?Pranav wrote:Hafiz Saeed and LeT mourn Osama - http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/ ... UT20110503
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There is one who died, as Osama bin Laden used her as human shield (I'll go with the official story)! There was another who was left behind, and was "arrested" by the Pakistanis. I think, the Pakistanis would not have the courage to touch her! She would probably fly back home to the OBL family!surinder wrote:Questions:
1) American TV reports said that a wounded wifey was left behind. What happened to her? Dead? Alive? Where is she? is she the pathaan wifey? Any burial etc. for her?
I doubt that his body was disposed of in the sea! There are reports that only a few people on USS Carl Vinson witnessed the sea burial. That what they threw in could have been anything!surinder wrote:2) Why the sudden burial at sea? Do you not want to keep DNA evidence for a long time? Maybe preserve his body and show off?
surinder wrote:3) What happened to children in the compound?
All Oblets from the compound are guests of the Pakistani state. Each Army offices has been asked to go home and get some toys for the entertainment of the future OBLs.
He did use his AK47 from the window of his room to shoot at the helis!surinder wrote:4) Helis evaded Radar's, but still a persan in the compound can hear the helis and they can regroup and be ready. Why was OBL on the top floor with wifey? Why was he not out with his guns in a safer (lower floor)?
There were four helis involved. I guess 3 made it back to Afghanistan.surinder wrote:5) Was one heli enough to carry all the SEALS out?
They took all the hard drives, papers, notebooks, etc they saw. Perhaps the OBL's personal diary with all the telephone numbers, especially of his TSPA friends, tucked in into a secret compartment of his bed was left behind. Too bad Obama cannot pursue the leads leading to Musharraf and Kiyani!surinder wrote:6) Surely all the evidence cannot be collected in 40 minutes. Would it not make sence to make it a longer operation and clean the place off the evidence.
Deniability was not on the agenda. They were confident, the Americans would never find him. The only place OBL could have been safe was in their midst, in their garrison. Everywhere else, and some neighbors would recognize him and start dreaming of $25 million. In the hills, his kidneys would have failed. Internet is everywhere, and where it isn't, there is an Al Qaeda guy living under the pillow!surinder wrote:7) Why would the ISI and PA have this radioactive guy in their backyard? Why not place somewhere farther? That would be more deniable. I understand they cannot keep him hilly frontier areas, nor can they keep him in big cities like Karachi or Lahore. But there are plenty of small places. Even Balwaristan might have been a good place. Why here?
Out of my waters!surinder wrote: Can you tell from sky imaging how high the building is and how the internal architecture is?
Yes Congrats to them!surinder wrote:It is indeed impressive that this building was already being monitored by amir kanis. Out of such a huge country and with a population of 180 million they could zero on this building is indeed impressive.
The courage of american is impressive, the SEAL team 6, the intel people, and also the politicians. This is america at its best. No doubt about that. The sheer tenacity and bold courage.
PS: TV reports said that this operation was like kids stuff for SEALS. Not a difficult one.
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The insignia is on the side, the wreckage is a mid-section piece resting on the rotor blade shaft, rotors have been sawed off by Paki civilians and hauled off in trucks (we have seen that in pics too).Venkarl wrote:Thanks klausji....found it...but I thought..an insignia would be on sides of any aircraft...and the one you are pointing seems to face up or down...
The dark rhombus shaped thing is actually the shadow of a fin just underneath the rotor shaft.
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who are the other gents around the table and standing in that POTUS ops room pic?
is that joseph biden to the right of Obama? who is the military officer and the two sitting gents - must be pretty high ranked to get 'gold class' 1st row seats for this show.
has anyone in media id'ed these people?
regarding the op - it was a relatively easier one once they managed to land. once the directive is you can kill anyone you want to get the job done its much easier than a typical hostage resuce from the hands of hardened terrorists. and ofcourse they practiced the drill a few times. am sure they carried heavy demolition charges to blow down metal doors (if needed) and a couple of Shipon type weapons for backup should any room put up troublesome resistance....apart form usual UBGL and stun/gas grenade type stuff.
is that joseph biden to the right of Obama? who is the military officer and the two sitting gents - must be pretty high ranked to get 'gold class' 1st row seats for this show.
has anyone in media id'ed these people?
regarding the op - it was a relatively easier one once they managed to land. once the directive is you can kill anyone you want to get the job done its much easier than a typical hostage resuce from the hands of hardened terrorists. and ofcourse they practiced the drill a few times. am sure they carried heavy demolition charges to blow down metal doors (if needed) and a couple of Shipon type weapons for backup should any room put up troublesome resistance....apart form usual UBGL and stun/gas grenade type stuff.
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somewhere in the afghan desert or the gelf, they must have built a mockup of the site and practiced hard for this... they must have had a good idea of the internal layout and plans
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To me, this now looks like OBL was an inconvenient thorn in the side of Great Game 2.0, he probably objected to some Tajik or CA dealmaking with some Khanate firm, 2-way info fed to OBL by ISI.Gagan wrote:Times Now reporting on some Wikileaks disclosure.
They claim that Pakistan warned Osama about a US raid.
Something to do with the Tajiskistan government.
The thorn was double crossed.
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Hmm, another snippet by Geo News.
Neighbours interviewed in detail.
One man claiming that they apparently had 8 guests in the house just 2 days back.
The called a tailor to the house to take measurements, and told him that they had 8 guests and that they wanted the dresses stitched and delivered the SAME day.
Also the local milkman who used to deliver 2-3 half litre packets of milk every day, delivered a whole basket of 1 liter milk packets 2 days back.
Neighbours interviewed in detail.
One man claiming that they apparently had 8 guests in the house just 2 days back.
The called a tailor to the house to take measurements, and told him that they had 8 guests and that they wanted the dresses stitched and delivered the SAME day.
Also the local milkman who used to deliver 2-3 half litre packets of milk every day, delivered a whole basket of 1 liter milk packets 2 days back.
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Surinder tissue samples after a post mortem can be preserved fro decades. That buried body (if it really has been buried) would have had samples removed from every organ of note. Routine postmortem stuff. Can be done in a couple of hours.surinder wrote: 2) Why the sudden burial at sea? Do you not want to keep DNA evidence for a long time? Maybe preserve his body and show off?
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So the US was watching the house closely for about a year.
I hope Kiyani didn't go to say dua-salaam to OBL when he visited Kakul last Saturday.
AoA.
If Kiyani visited that compound and the US found out, the US telling that to kiyani will make the guy shut up for good and not make a sound even when he was GUBOed.
I hope Kiyani didn't go to say dua-salaam to OBL when he visited Kakul last Saturday.
AoA.
If Kiyani visited that compound and the US found out, the US telling that to kiyani will make the guy shut up for good and not make a sound even when he was GUBOed.
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After the completion of the operation the Seal Commander radioed those words to his regional commander! This is something like 'Torah, Torah, Torah! for Pearl Harbor movie..Dipanker wrote:saip wrote:The movie would be named 'For God and Country, Geronimo, Geronimo, Geronimo'
There is already a movie named Geronimo. Geronimo was a Native American fighter/leader.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geronimo
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Another observation:
There would be a very small core group in the ISI that would protect OBL, arrange for his immediate transport.
The list of people who would know that the person living there was OBL would be very very small.
Amongst the top guys, probably only Kiyani and Pasha knew.
I don't think that any other Corps commanders knew. Possibly one or two, highly trusted ones. The corps commanders group regularly approaches the US for their graces in promotions etc, and as a group might not be trusted with such valuable info.
The larger the group of people who know the more danger that info will leak out.
So the group must have been very small.
There would be a very small core group in the ISI that would protect OBL, arrange for his immediate transport.
The list of people who would know that the person living there was OBL would be very very small.
Amongst the top guys, probably only Kiyani and Pasha knew.
I don't think that any other Corps commanders knew. Possibly one or two, highly trusted ones. The corps commanders group regularly approaches the US for their graces in promotions etc, and as a group might not be trusted with such valuable info.
The larger the group of people who know the more danger that info will leak out.
So the group must have been very small.
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Mike Mullen is standing between POTUS and uniformed USN officer. I think the military officer working on his lappy is USN #2. It is Joe Biden to the right of POTUS.Singha wrote:who are the other gents around the table and standing in that POTUS ops room pic?
is that joseph biden to the right of Obama? who is the military officer and the two sitting gents - must be pretty high ranked to get 'gold class' 1st row seats for this show.
has anyone in media id'ed these people?.
Rachel Maddow only id'd 5 of them in the situation room of WH. Panetta not in frame.
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Well they certainly knew
Lots of assets and people are burned in the operation. They would be shivering worldwide about much anticipated visits by unfriendly visitors at unearthly hours.Pakistan has denied permission for JSOC forces to enter Pakistan on raids chasing bin Laden. It stopped one clandestine raid after it was launched on the village of Saigai in January 2006. However elements of the JSOC have since been posted to Ghazi to work with the Pakistan army's 11th Corps as it fights the Taliban in north and south Waziristan.
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they built a mockup on a 1 acre lot in a off-limits-to-most area of bagram afb itself per reports and practised from start of april if not earlier. could have passed it to curious onlookers it was just a generic model, just like one of scores in mainland US bases.
what exactly JSOC units do in Ghazi airbase and how the pakis just let a strike of four helis go away on a untethered op is a interesting point to ponder. did the US mislead them saying the outbounds were on some training mission, going to AF or going after some false flag target they had been surveilling to give the impression they would take it out? and reports say the strike team came in from AF and just used Ghazi as a refueling and hopping point on ingress - even more alarming - were the pakis asleep to all this at the base itself. are pakis and dogs allowed on that base?
what exactly JSOC units do in Ghazi airbase and how the pakis just let a strike of four helis go away on a untethered op is a interesting point to ponder. did the US mislead them saying the outbounds were on some training mission, going to AF or going after some false flag target they had been surveilling to give the impression they would take it out? and reports say the strike team came in from AF and just used Ghazi as a refueling and hopping point on ingress - even more alarming - were the pakis asleep to all this at the base itself. are pakis and dogs allowed on that base?
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They had two mockups of the place on either US coast.Lalmohan wrote:somewhere in the afghan desert or the gelf, they must have built a mockup of the site and practiced hard for this... they must have had a good idea of the internal layout and plans
Two seal teams practiced on them.
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chinese clone mould makers must be having an orgasm as the pieces are trucked up the karakoram highway. look for similar looking tail rotors to appear on chinese Z-11 stealth helis soon
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Looks like the Khan has struck after sensing that complacency was at an all time high, in ISI, in OBL's compound, in TSPA etc. Khan waited for the precise moment when all would've slacked off to never be able to recover.
Behavioral patterns of Paki establishment has been modeled and studied in great detail!
Behavioral patterns of Paki establishment has been modeled and studied in great detail!
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is anyone monitoring the urdu press?
my dhoti shiver postulate is that pakistan has traded OBL for a greater role in afghanistan, but that the trade went wrong and unkil may have prempted the deal by going unilateral - in which sense tspa got caught with its pants down
there have been a lot of tensions in the past 9 months and a hardening of rhetoric
possibly kiyanahi was trying to get cute with the bait
my dhoti shiver postulate is that pakistan has traded OBL for a greater role in afghanistan, but that the trade went wrong and unkil may have prempted the deal by going unilateral - in which sense tspa got caught with its pants down
there have been a lot of tensions in the past 9 months and a hardening of rhetoric
possibly kiyanahi was trying to get cute with the bait
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ISI must be going apeshit wondering who are the american spies and informers in Abottabad and what else is known to the khan.
in some way perhaps raymond davis was the trigger that convinced the CIA that time had come to lash out or risk failure from too much overanalysis.
in some way perhaps raymond davis was the trigger that convinced the CIA that time had come to lash out or risk failure from too much overanalysis.
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I think that the short legged birds refueled at Tarbela.
If there were Chinooks involved, they have immense stamina and probably went in straight to abbotabad after meeting up with the rest of the team.
Probably some of the smaller helos, possibly Apaches or a few empty Blackhawks refueled at Tarbela.
It is possible that Tarbela served as a refuelling point for the smaller, lesser ranged helos.
If there were Chinooks involved, they have immense stamina and probably went in straight to abbotabad after meeting up with the rest of the team.
Probably some of the smaller helos, possibly Apaches or a few empty Blackhawks refueled at Tarbela.
It is possible that Tarbela served as a refuelling point for the smaller, lesser ranged helos.
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Lara Logan: Pakistan has U.S. "blood on its hands"
Video included in the article : http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162- ... 03543.html
Nice to see Lara back, and also for her to mention LeT along with Afghan Taliban and Haqqani as the terrorists pakis support.
Video included in the article : http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162- ... 03543.html
Nice to see Lara back, and also for her to mention LeT along with Afghan Taliban and Haqqani as the terrorists pakis support.
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Time also to find Osama's other hideouts.
Dawood Ibrahim is also in ISI custody. D has half a dozen safe houses maintained by the ISI.
Looks like the ISI maintains a string of safehouses, where they circulate the people they protect. The local ISI guys are instructed to keep the people inside safe without being too inquisitive or even trying to know who it is, prohibited from making contact even. The lower rung ISI officers follow orders.
Dawood Ibrahim is also in ISI custody. D has half a dozen safe houses maintained by the ISI.
Looks like the ISI maintains a string of safehouses, where they circulate the people they protect. The local ISI guys are instructed to keep the people inside safe without being too inquisitive or even trying to know who it is, prohibited from making contact even. The lower rung ISI officers follow orders.
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Surinder - a peaceful house in a civilian area suddenly has chopper landing - the first action for anyone to take unless they are trained commandos is to brown the shalwar.surinder wrote:Questions:
4) Helis evaded Radar's, but still a persan in the compound can hear the helis and they can regroup and be ready. Why was OBL on the top floor with wifey? Why was he not out with his guns in a safer (lower floor)?
5) Was one heli enough to carry all the SEALS out?
6) Surely all the evidence cannot be collected in 40 minutes. Would it not make sence to make it a longer operation and clean the place off the evidence.
7) Why would the ISI and PA have this radioactive guy in their backyard? Why not place somewhere farther? That would be more deniable. I understand they cannot keep him hilly frontier areas, nor can they keep him in big cities like Karachi or Lahore. But there are plenty of small places. Even Balwaristan might have been a good place. Why here?
Can you tell from sky imaging how high the building is and how the internal architecture is?
A Chinook was called in to carry out the men
40 minutes is enough if you know what you want. One house. 40 armed looters.
The ISI and PA are a cocky bunch of ba$tards who thought it was safe.
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Anyone tweeting the perfidy of Pakistan systematically? A concerted retweeting of those tweets would help. I would be happy to retweet if anyone has tweets going already.
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Albums, cameras, phones, comm equipment, diaries, CDs and computers would have been taken from that house. Each will first be tested for traces of human DNA and fingerprints after which the actual data will be looked at. Any safes/locked boxes may have been carted away. Others blown open.Singha wrote:ISI must be going apeshit wondering who are the american spies and informers in Abottabad and what else is known to the khan.
in some way perhaps raymond davis was the trigger that convinced the CIA that time had come to lash out or risk failure from too much overanalysis.
Blow open door. Stun occupants. Enter, kill and start ripping the room of contents. Say 10 rooms? 20 men. 2 men per room. 10 minutes of ransacking. The house is done within 15 minutes.
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The US went all out to get Raymond Davis because the raid was already in the advanced planning stage.Singha wrote:ISI must be going apeshit wondering who are the american spies and informers in Abottabad and what else is known to the khan.
in some way perhaps raymond davis was the trigger that convinced the CIA that time had come to lash out or risk failure from too much overanalysis.
If the operation had gone forward while he was still in custody, chances are Davis would have ended up dead in his cell.
That is why the Americans went all out diplomatically to get him out of Pakistan - threats, carrots, whatever it took.
People thought at the time that this was a reflection of Davis's personal importance. Its a tribute to the usually leaky White House that not a whisper emerged of what was coming.
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