Gagan wrote:Venkarl wrote:OT..but I need some help
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Seems to me some smart pakjabis wanting to hitch their bandwagon to some rural singers.
Nevermind, their main aim in life is to somehow hit mainstream Mumbai.
BTW I've seen better singers on Mumbai's suburban train network, who are unfeted and unrecognized.
Our own 'Papon' caters to this genre of music in some sense.
I've always found the vocals of these pakjabis very irritating.
The men all seem to have this nasal tone, but are trying to make it deep and macho.
The wimmen are seem to be singing with paans stuck in their halaf, all sounding like hookers from heera mandi - which most of them were in the yesteryears.
Most of the 'new' music coming out of Pakistan is sufi inspired, which incidentally their pure biradhers are trying to wipe off the face of the earth.
Alla-Hoo to that.
Agreed..
While I agree that bollywood has become exponentially pathetic and mediocre in past few years, I think the rot started slightly before death of kishore kumar. the movies which were churned out in 80's and 90's are more often than not, outright pathetic, most of which were funded by DI money..
In sector of music, this is the same trend. occassionally one good album by R D Burman, but the real reboot was A R Rahman's Roja.. While the bollywood was revived for sometime and occasional good movies with good music and fresh talent seeped in, in past 5 years, it has been abysmal.. The overdose of bullshite comedies churned out by school of Priyadarshan, is taking its toll. Add to it the easy money which bollywood producers have and no one knows where it comes from. So, bollywood is at its nadir now.
having said that, this is great opportunity for regional cinema to churn out classics. As far as Marathi industry is concerned, the downfall of bollywood has resulted in stable rise in profile of Marathi film industry which was similarly pathetic in 90's. Marathi theatre was always very good and is still going very well and creative. This also applies for music industry. Similar trends are seen in Bangla cinema which I also follow closely. there is enormous talent and potential in regional languages and rural India which is now slowly being tapped and which I find more heart wrenching than these pakis harping about sufi music.
While I love that genre of music and the Rock culture and the fusion culture of Indian classical and Rock is exceptionally strong in Pakistan, the returns are diminishing. There are few people like Pappu Saini in Pakistan who is an awesome drummer, the Shafaqat ali of fuzon band, rahat fateh "Hawala" ali who are really brilliant singers and musicians. But every time I see them, I remember Gulfam Hasan of film Sarfarosh and cower in my dhoti.. All the praise for their singing prowess vanishes instantly.
I would like Indian artists to bring that art and genre in India and popularize it here. afterall, it is Indian music. Punjab from attock to multan is India and all ideas which are traditionally there, are Indian ideas and India should absorb them. As far as the artists are concerned, well, they won't last in that region anyways. the one's with money will flee and one's without will die (literally or metaphorically). When mullah will gag a singer and ban him from singing any form of music with time as land becomes purer, the singer is dead anyways..
What we lack is creative rock bands like "Indian Ocean".. Those buggers composed bhajans of kabeer, bhajans on river narmada, ancient syrian christian hymns of kerala, and other compositions with true fusion of Hindustani classical. we definitely need many more like them in all Indian languages, including punjabi, sindhi, pushto.. we have strong rock culture in east (Bengal and Assam) but I find it getting more "Anglicized" with time. but its still going fine..
@Venkarl ji,
very true.. I find this puzzling with Delhi people.. Honestly, during my stay abroad, I had never met jerks bigger than delhi people when it comes to being WKKs.. There was this kid from a Hindu khatri family which ran away from Rawalpindi during partition. and this kid says, why to hate pakis, what is the big deal if india becomes 90% ROP majority, why do Hindus need to get all worked up. I asked him to say these words in front of his dad (who had to run away), he would have got the answer. I have seen brf-like clear thinking in people from Punjab, Haryana, Himachal when it comes to these issues. But Delhiites go extra mile to be friends with pakis.. its not about being friendly with pakis. its about being too friendly and apologetic for pakis while in debates..