Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 2011

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby shravan » 16 May 2011 22:52

US drone attacks kill seven in Pakistan

MIRANSHAH: Two US drone strikes targeting a militant compound and a vehicle in Pakistan’s lawless tribal district of North Waziristan killed at least seven militants on Monday, officials said.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby g.sarkar » 16 May 2011 23:01

Lalmohan wrote:gautam babu
yes and no. at a macro level (ministers/secretary and above), i agree with you. at a micro level, the mango unkil afsar or diplomutt believes what his paqui counterpart tells him

Lalmohanji,
In my post I wrote the US leadership. I would include also these who act with the Pakis, including the CIA honchos and the Jermails and the Karnails. I would also include the diplomats. The unwashed common Amkreekis do not even know where India or Pakistan or Afghanistan is. But other than voting they have no say in anything.
What I am trying to say is that the US attitude to India is not due to ignorance. It is due to a well thought out policy.
Gautam

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby svinayak » 16 May 2011 23:03

g.sarkar wrote:
Lalmohan wrote:gautam babu
yes and no. at a macro level (ministers/secretary and above), i agree with you. at a micro level, the mango unkil afsar or diplomutt believes what his paqui counterpart tells him

Lalmohanji,
In my post I wrote the US leadership. I would include also these who act with the Pakis, including the CIA honchos and the Jermails and the Karnails. I would also include the diplomats. The unwashed common Amkreekis do not even know where India or Pakistan or Afghanistan is. But other than voting they have no say in anything.
What I am trying to say is that the US attitude to India is not due to ignorance. It is due to a well thought out policy.
Gautam

US policy on India and Af Pak is done by groups and influenced by CFR and such bodies.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby Pranav » 16 May 2011 23:18

Jarita wrote:These guys have played out the various scenarios and the Indian state of J&K yields the highest domino effect required to contain India for centuries


Jarita, PoK is strategic but the part of J&K which is with us now is not particularly strategic ... however there are very significant socio-political implications. If the people of J&K are mostly OK with India (and the evidence is that they are), then that nullifies the concept of Islam based nationalism.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby g.sarkar » 16 May 2011 23:43

Acharya wrote:US policy on India and Af Pak is done by groups and influenced by CFR and such bodies.

CFR = Council on Foreign Relations?
Gautam

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby svinayak » 16 May 2011 23:49

Yes, Check all the three and four letter word organization and study their programs and experts.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby shyamd » 17 May 2011 00:16

Just catching up with the news.

KSA diplomat killing in Karachi - My take:

They were being targetted for a while. The guys were after someone big.

Qatari consul was shot at in his car a month or so ago in Karachi.
Some other small incidents involving.
Grenade lobbing into KSA consulate last week.
The guy who died was a security official per the embassy.

These guys were being watched and targeted before OBL assassination. Surprised that security wasn't ramped up.

Taliban is not responsible for this despite them claiming that it is. this is someone else.

"The leaders of the mujahideen" were always with the crown, don't believe into the western story (steve coll et al).

Re: Pasha's comments on identifiying targets inside India etc

Refers to suitcase nukes smuggled into India. He is just re-iterating "befitting response" and emphasising "catastrophe"(maybe a little too much) about Pak being ready to hit Desh. Note the word "catastrophe for both peoples" was used by Salman Bashir when describing US Pak relations. You see dear friends TSPians are blackmailing certain governments (see:western). You think Bharat is the only nation living under threat?

I see this as linked to the escalation on the LoC (Ceasefire violation in Jammu most recent). They are egging us to start something. Watch the frequency of these ceasefire violations lead up to something big. Kiyani is off to PRC to probably beg the PRC to back his plans for war against Desh to Unite TSP. TSP is getting prepared - Hafiz Saeed is even talking about small border ceasefire violations - it really tells us what awaits India. Our forces are standing ready on our borders ready to defend our country.

India is doing the right thing by playing good boy and doing the necessary. MMS met with 3 services chiefs today.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby Muppalla » 17 May 2011 00:25

^^^
I do not think there are any suitcase nukes with Pak to be smuggled into India. This JDAM thing is theoretical and possible but not yet there for Pak. Even its 3.5 will be extremely cautious of such an adventure into India. See India during ABV time talked about this model and have informed to all the major nations that India's attack will be maximum even if it is JDAM type stuff.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby ramana » 17 May 2011 00:55

Paki suitcases will be PRC's stuff. Let me reason like this. Suit cases means small sized weapons. You can't get there with the TSP centrifuge stuff.

Meanwhile NSV writes:

http://www.newsinsight.net/archivedebat ... recno=2143



Early warning

The Pakistan army and ISI may stage "incidents" around nuke facilities to return Western/ US sympathy and support for them post the Abbottabad raid, analyzes N.V.Subramanian.

16 May 2011: Pushed to a corner, Pakistan may stage "incidents" around its nuclear facilities to suggest that "terrorists" consider the Pakistani military and ISI to be weak and vulnerable after the US Abbottabad raid that killed Osama Bin Laden.

The purpose of the staged "incidents" would be to dissuade the United States from undertaking more Abbottabad-like raids and to put Pakistan-America relations on the track they were before the Al-Qaeda leader was assassinated. This analysis has the following reasoning.

The 2-May raid that killed Bin Laden took the Pakistan military completely by surprise. The deputy chief of the Pakistan air force told an in-camera session of the National Assembly that raiding US stealth helicopters failed to alert radar defenses.

The ISI chief who is under fire for Osama's death added that the United States would not stop at the Abbottabad raid. He is also supposed to have disclosed that both Ayman Al-Zawahiri (Bin Laden's possible successor in Al-Qaeda) and the Afghan Taliban leader, Mullah Omar, could be hiding in Pakistan.

When in trouble, the Pakistan army and ISI raise the India bogie, and have gone so far as to sponsor terrorism in this country. The 13 December 2001 Parliament terror attack was meant to provoke an Indo-Pak skirmish so that the US could be distracted from the post-9/ 11 Afghan war.

Even the last of the big terror attacks against India in Bombay (26/11) tied to the US-lead war on terror in the Af-Pak theatre. To take US heat off the Pakistan army to go after the Al-Qaeda and Taliban leadership holed out in Quetta and North Waziristan, the Lashkar-e-Toiba obliged the three parties and the ISI by executing 26/11.

In all these cases, despite angry and vengeful public opinion, India has exercised restraint. Indian restraint has robbed Pakistan of the excuse of moving back the bulk of deployed troops in the west to the east across from Jammu and Kashmir.

After the Abbottabad raid, Pakistan predictably has raised the ante against India, latching on to general comments of the Indian military leadership about possessing similar capabilities.

The ISI chief has now moved ahead to threaten India with retaliation for any raid for which, he says, "targets" have been identified and "rehearsals" carried out.

This also comes on the heels of the prime minister's visit to Afghanistan where he has pledged Indian aid up to $2 billion. The United States significantly has welcomed the PM's Afghan tour when previously it was guarded in its response so as not to anger Pakistan. :mrgreen:

Clearly, this is not a narrative suited to Pakistan's liking. After consuming $20 billion of US aid since 2001, Pakistan had determined that the US was in decline and that it would not stay for long in Afghanistan. :((

On one hand, Pakistan was provoking former service officers and NWFP activists to campaign to choke supplies through Pakistan to the US and NATO forces in Afghanistan.

On the other hand, Pakistan told the Afghan president, Hamid Karzai, in a meeting to ditch the US and hitch with China and it.

This would mark a remarkable advance of its aims and objectives in Afghanistan. With the US excluded and China and Pakistan in, the Taliban and Al-Qaeda would eventually emerge victorious in Afghanistan.

Pakistan would cut a deal (it already has) with the Taliban to permit China to extract resources from Afghanistan in return for financing a Taliban regime. China would also bankroll Pakistan from the profits of Afghan resource extraction.

With the Taliban in power, Pakistan would realize its ambitions of gaining strategic depth in Afghanistan against India, and using the nuclear overhang, increase the terrorist harassment of India to separate J and K and Balkanize this country
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And with China indebted to Pakistan for ensuring and securing its interests in Afghanistan, it would participate in Pakistani adventures against India, including threatening it with hostility on two fronts.

All of these plans were put paid by the Abbottabad raid of the US. The Pakistan military and ISI lost face domestically. And the US has not given up blaming the ISI for Bin Laden's six-year sheltered existence in a Pakistan garrison town. :rotfl:

It is also no longer certain that the US will wind down operations in Afghanistan with the death of Bin Laden. Even if it does drawdown troops as planned, America has revealed both its capacity and determination to hunt down the 9/11 terrorists. In that sense, Al-Zawahiri and Mullah Omar's days are numbered.{Aab thera khya hoga kalia!}

The Pakistan military and ISI cannot survive another Abbottabad-like raid if it eliminates Al-Zawahiri or Mullah Omar. And it cannot allow its Afghanistan plans to be derailed beyond this.

To restore the status quo ante, Pakistan's first action was to raise temperatures with India. India is exercising restraint as always. Unlike before, the US is not rushing to contain India to placate Pakistan. :rotfl:

Pakistan realizes it has to do something else to gain control of events. War with India is ruled out, because India won't be easily provoked.

What else can Pakistan do? The greatest fear of the world is Pak nukes and fissionable materials getting into terrorist hands either during a war with India or courtesy of leaking insiders. :((

Pakistan's nuclear, military and intelligence establishments are considerably radicalized. Whenever pressure builds on Pakistan's military and ISI to contain the terrorist groups they sponsor, Pakistan's reflex is to portray the armed forces as the last defence against militants gaining Pak nukes. This brings a rush of support for the Pakistan military and ISI.

With the chips down, Pakistan may try the same stunt from a different angle. :P A staged terrorist incident around a Pak nuke facility will return all the lost Western support to the Pakistan military and ISI. (Conceivably, the drama could also boomerang on Pakistan.) :rotfl:

Even the US could be persuaded to abandon Abbottabad II in return for ISI cooperation on the war against terror. The aim of all this would be to take the narrative to before the Abbottabad raid designed to meet Pakistan's strategic aims against India via Afghanistan.

This analysis is meant to provide an early warning of Pakistan's likely perfidy.



What if that fails too. Will they claim to have lost a nuke!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby shyamd » 17 May 2011 01:06

Muppalla wrote:^^^
I do not think there are any suitcase nukes with Pak to be smuggled into India. This JDAM thing is theoretical and possible but not yet there for Pak. Even its 3.5 will be extremely cautious of such an adventure into India. See India during ABV time talked about this model and have informed to all the major nations that India's attack will be maximum even if it is JDAM type stuff.

Apparently the TSPians have been threatening this for years. It might not be suitcase stuff, it could be Dirty stuff (or something with similar effect). The fact that they are threatening this option is also interesting.

Well TSP is just talking big and warning India openly. Our NFU was just to play to an audience - we can't trust nutcases.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby krisna » 17 May 2011 01:07

^^^^
What else can Pakistan do? The greatest fear of the world is Pak nukes and fissionable materials getting into terrorist hands either during a war with India or courtesy of leaking insiders.

(Conceivably, the drama could also boomerang on Pakistan.) :rotfl:

greatest fear of the pakis is if uncle robs them of clown jewels and exposes it in public to India.
what about its etch and dee :rotfl:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby VikramS » 17 May 2011 01:13

shyamd:

Are the Indians ready to take on China if the battle goes nuclear?
Is there confidence in the capability?
Why not test now? The danger to India is clear, present and growing every day.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby Karna_A » 17 May 2011 01:27

shyamd wrote:
Muppalla wrote:^^^
I do not think there are any suitcase nukes with Pak to be smuggled into India. This JDAM thing is theoretical and possible but not yet there for Pak. Even its 3.5 will be extremely cautious of such an adventure into India. See India during ABV time talked about this model and have informed to all the major nations that India's attack will be maximum even if it is JDAM type stuff.

Apparently the TSPians have been threatening this for years. It might not be suitcase stuff, it could be Dirty stuff (or something with similar effect). The fact that they are threatening this option is also interesting.

Well TSP is just talking big and warning India openly. Our NFU was just to play to an audience - we can't trust nutcases.



The TSP diplomatic pouches need to be checked all over the world. Long back JFK suspected Russians had smuggled one into DC using diplomat mail.
http://seeker401.wordpress.com/2009/09/ ... ington-dc/

If there are any dirty bombs, they would have come into India through diplomatic Pouches which is almost never opened. Though if they had dirty bomb stuff, the geiger counters may go off. I guess all countries need to put geiger counters next to TSP embassies. This terrorist country needs to be walled in from all sides.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby ramana » 17 May 2011 01:28

The Co-60 mess in Old Delhi showed that a dirty bomb has limited nuisance value. No the more I think about it TSP's options are closing/vanishing.

They need to become more enlightened like Bali and become Vishnu bhaktas.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby SaiK » 17 May 2011 01:31

why hasn't unkill nailed xerox khan yet?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby svinayak » 17 May 2011 01:33

SaiK wrote:why hasn't unkill nailed xerox khan yet?

Too complicated. Uncle closet will also spill

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby ramana » 17 May 2011 01:42

What closets spilled with OBL's demise? Not evne Waste closets as he met a pirates' grave.

Instead of Omar and jeweler, most likely its AQK that should be next on the list.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby ramana » 17 May 2011 01:43

X-posted...
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby shyamd » 17 May 2011 01:46

VikramS wrote:shyamd:

Are the Indians ready to take on China if the battle goes nuclear?

Not sure. The key is timing and when we are ready.

Is there confidence in the capability?

We will do what is necessary to defend our nation.

Why not test now? The danger to India is clear, present and growing every day.

Obviously can't answer. But all I can say is, things will be done when the time is right.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby hnair » 17 May 2011 01:47

Mahendra wrote:Why does one assume that the Nasr will be used on Pacqui territory onlee, what prevents them from using it on the advancing IA division before it crosses the IB( assuming that the Nasr actually works and the Pacquis are stupid enough to start a new-clear war)


That mijjile and the huge proliferation of little-tsingtao warheads over the last two years is against unkil to not mount an invasion, as India doesnt seem to be interested in doing one anytime soon.

But it works only if unkil knocks and comes in. If unkil doesnt knock, like when he recently retired the shriveled sheikh of 'Buttabad, pakis fire it anyways and call it "test".....

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby krisna » 17 May 2011 01:52

JuD activists hold anti-US, India rally in Lahore

as expected upping the ante.
Thousands of Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD) activists participated in the 'Istehkam-e-Pakistan Caravan' in Lahore to express anger over the secret military operation conducted by the US that killed Al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden
on May 2

The activists demanded ending of strategic relations with the US, downing the drones, cutting off NATO supply line and vacating airbases from foreign elements, The Nation reports.They also chanted slogans against the US, India and Israel.

the sooner the better for all involved.
Addressing the participants, JuD chief Hafiz Saeed said that there was no logic for the federal government to continue strategic relation and intelligence sharing with the US.
He also warned that if India tried to carry out an Abbotabad-style operation, it would have to face war.

why should India do it when paki abduls are quadrifying themselves apart. :lol:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby anupmisra » 17 May 2011 02:07

shyamd wrote:KSA diplomat killing in Karachi. ..Qatari consul was shot at in his car a month or so ago in Karachi. ..Grenade lobbing into KSA consulate last week...this is someone else.


This could be an EyeRainian - Saudi battle of ideologies, and the battleground is naPa'astan. Pakis (State or non-state or mango variety) wouldn't dare to touch the Saudis or the Qataris.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby Mahendra » 17 May 2011 02:18

Addressing the participants, JuD chief Hafiz Saeed said that there was no logic for the federal government to continue strategic relation and intelligence sharing with the US.
He also warned that if India tried to carry out an Abbotabad-style operation, it would have to face war


Wow, non state actor declaring war on behalf of state.
Ol Hafiz-e-Pig probably had bouts of incontinence while pushing his piles up his musharaff when a helicopter flew overhead

These babbar shers of killing unarmed innocents are worried for their life now damn worried

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby ramana » 17 May 2011 02:32

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Thousands of Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD) activists participated in the 'Istehkam-e-Pakistan Caravan' in Lahore to express anger over the secret military operation conducted by the US that killed Al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden on May 2[/quote]

Folks, I didn't make up the Kabila theory. Right here they still have caravans even after getting their own country!!! The proof is right here.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby svinayak » 17 May 2011 02:37

ramana wrote:
Thousands of Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD) activists participated in the 'Istehkam-e-Pakistan Caravan' in Lahore to express anger over the secret military operation conducted by the US that killed Al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden on May 2

Folks, I didn't make up the Kabila theory. Right here they still have caravans even after getting their own country!!! The proof is right here.

They are caravan for the entire muslim world. They consider current Islamic world is not pure and the arab world is not the rightful worthy for the Islam. They consider current Pakistan as the future home of Islam and progress of Islam.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby SwamyG » 17 May 2011 02:46

Acharya wrote:They are caravan for the entire muslim world. They consider current Islamic world is not pure and the arab world is not the rightful worthy for the Islam. They consider current Pakistan as the future home of Islam and progress of Islam.

Doesn't that mean there is a fissure - Pakistani Islam vs Arabi Islam - waiting to be exploited?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby SwamyG » 17 May 2011 03:09

Pranav wrote:
Jarita wrote:These guys have played out the various scenarios and the Indian state of J&K yields the highest domino effect required to contain India for centuries


Jarita, PoK is strategic but the part of J&K which is with us now is not particularly strategic ... however there are very significant socio-political implications. If the people of J&K are mostly OK with India (and the evidence is that they are), then that nullifies the concept of Islam based nationalism.

In and around 1947, nobody gave India much a chance. So runs one stream of thought. If that thought is valid, then cutting off India to Central Asia would not have been one of the scenarios. Moreover, J&K became part of the union little later.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby Suppiah » 17 May 2011 04:00

http://www.hindu.com/2011/05/17/stories ... 540100.htm

In the pukeland of fanatic barbarian animals, even fanatic barbarian animals are not safe because there is always other animals that are more pure and hence more fanatic barbaric animals than you...

Saudi diplomat shot dead in Pakbaric pig land

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby harbans » 17 May 2011 05:10

In the pukeland of fanatic barbarian animals, even fanatic barbarian animals are not safe because there is always other animals that are more pure and hence more fanatic barbaric animals than you...


Suppiah ji, i am sorry but your post makes me puke. Admins should take note of this posters constant equating of Pakibarians with Animals and ban him for a good long period of 20 minutes at the minimum. What is the comparison here really Pakibarian and an Animal? Apologies at the minimum are expected.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby anjan » 17 May 2011 05:13

Pranav wrote:For the Paks, the statements by Indian army and AF chiefs were a gift from Allah.

because they have achieved what again? My Gods! the ISI chief threatened India? You're right. This is such a rare occurance and doubtlessly it has never happened before that out of the blue the Pakis throw bluster and threats at us. I'm sure this is the the <Insert Service here> Chiefs fault. They should have taken your cue and silently shivered in their dhotis instead. :roll: I mean seriously.. a threat. That is so much worse than the actual men(armed thugs/terrorists really) and material pointed at us across the border. And am sure immeasurably improves the lot of the Pakis.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby Manny » 17 May 2011 05:17

http://thetimesofpakistan.com/2011/05/1 ... o-Pakistan

Kerry presents list of “specific demands” to Pakistan

ISLAMABAD: US Sen. John Kerry gave Pakistan’s army chief a list of “specific demands” relating to American suspicions about Pakistan’s harboring of militants ahead of meetings Monday that could shape a partnership dangerously strained by the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, a Pakistani official said.

US officials have increased pressure on Pakistan since the May. 2 American raid in Abbottabad – a northwest Pakistan garrison town where bin Laden was killed by US Navy SEALs. But they also seem to be trying to balance their anger, aware of the risk of wholly severing ties with the nuclear-armed country. Pakistan’s cooperation is considered vital to ending the war in Afghanistan.

Kerry, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, is the first American emissary to visit Pakistan since the raid. Known to be a friend of Pakistan, what he is told by Pakistani army and civilian leaders could be key to American policy going forward.

Kerry arrived late Sunday and went quickly to see army chief Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, handing him the list of US demands, according to a Pakistani government official. The official spoke on condition of anonymity and declined to give more details because of the sensitivity of the subject.

Kayani told Kerry his soldiers have “intense feelings” about the raid, in apparent reference to anger and humiliation here that Washington did not tell the army in advance about helicopter-borne raid, and the fact it was unable to stop the incursion.


President Asif Ali Zardari’s office, meanwhile, said US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton called him Sunday to discuss the raid’s fallout in Pakistan. Clinton has spoken of the need to keep strong ties with Pakistan, and stressed there’s no evidence yet its leaders knew of bin Laden’s whereabouts.

While in Afghanistan on Sunday, Kerry made it clear to reporters that patience was running thin in Washington, where many have long suspected that Pakistan aids and abets Afghan Taliban and other militant groups. Many in Congress are saying that Washington should cut aid to the country.

“The important thing is to understand that major, significant events have taken place in last days that have a profound impact on what we have called the war on terror, a profound impact on our relationship as a result,” Kerry said.

He added that “we need to find a way to march forward if it is possible. If it is not possible, there are a set of downside consequences that can be profound.” He did not elaborate.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby anupmisra » 17 May 2011 06:20

CBS 60 Minutes: Interview with former top Afghan spy
Amrullah Saleh's the guy who does not pull his punches when it comes to talking about pa'astan. In fact, Musharraf and he had an all out verbal duel in front of Karzai. Enjoy!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby anupmisra » 17 May 2011 06:29

Pakistan to return U.S. helicopter tail, Kerry says

In the days after the operation, Pakistani intelligence officials said China had expressed interest in it.


So, two questions: 1) Why did the pakis not comply with the Chinese request? and 2) why return it now (two weeks after the fact)?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby Muppalla » 17 May 2011 06:47

anupmisra wrote:Pakistan to return U.S. helicopter tail, Kerry says

In the days after the operation, Pakistani intelligence officials said China had expressed interest in it.


So, two questions: 1) Why did the pakis not comply with the Chinese request? and 2) why return it now (two weeks after the fact)?


It is all CIA conspiracy to preempt Chinese takeover of the stealth. Someone asked GUBOers to make such a "giving to china" type statement.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby A_Gupta » 17 May 2011 06:55

My opinion only - there is a whole lot of talk that if Pakistan is allowed to disintegrate, major bad things might happen; and the Pakistani army is the one thread holding the country together, etc., etc.

I think it is time to remind the people that the Soviet Union, with many more nukes than Pakistan, was peacefully dismembered, without any great chaos; and that it should be possible in Pakistan as well.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby GuruPrabhu » 17 May 2011 07:10

^^^ Chinese have had two weeks to examine it, take pictures etc.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby negi » 17 May 2011 07:18

Cheena reberse engineers must have already slept with the tail piece for more than a week or so by now; chawanni chaap bhikari ISI is only trying to extract some money from Khan bahadur. Btw I wont be surprised if chicom would release a WZ-10 mkII with funny looking tail rotor with a big katora on the rotor head. :rotfl:
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby A_Gupta » 17 May 2011 07:20

BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/stw/all
There is a podcast there:
Pakistan special - Anatol Lieven, Francis Fukuyama, Mohsin Hamid, Tahmima Anam 16 May 11

Mon, 16 May 11

Duration:
43 mins

Andrew Marr talks to Anatol Lieven who argues that Pakistan, despite often being referred to as a 'failed state', has the makings of a viable and coherent country. Francis Fukuyama analyses the development of political institutions from early tribal societies to the growth of the modern state. The author of The Reluctant Fundamentalist, Mohsin Hamid, explores what it means to be middle class in Pakistan, and Tahmima Anam looks back to Bangladesh's fight for independence, and the relationship between religion and politics in her home country.


Lieven (I think) brings up needing to get some Kashmir for Pakistan; and Bangladeshi author Tahmima Anam makes the claim that Kashmir raises tempers in Bangladesh. Kashmir and Palestine, we are told, have to be solved, because otherwise Muslim demagogues can use them to raise extremism and anti-Americanism.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby A_Gupta » 17 May 2011 07:33

PUPPies.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and- ... ns-death/#

Some writers—among them my friend the novelist Mohsin Hamid and the Guardian’s Declan Walsh and Jason Burke—are familiar with this sliver of Pakistan’s middle class. But most, including Salman Rushdie, who called for declaring Pakistan a terrorist state, sometimes seem to believe in a monolithic Pakistan sympathetic to terrorism, intolerantly Islamic and anti-West. They say the military, which represents the largest component of the middle class, is guilty of harboring bin Laden. If they have their way, the Pakistanis who are most like Westerners—English-speaking folk who carry Blackberries, watch Fashion Week on YouTube, twittered against the murder of anti-blasphemy law crusader Salman Taseer, and obsess about grades for college or medical school—will be thrown to the terrorist pack.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 201

Postby Muppalla » 17 May 2011 07:48

As we are discussing nuke stuff these days in every thread, let me post this one here. It may be relevant here
Manmohan Singh takes stock of country's nuclear arsenal

While the three-stage Agni-V is to be tested later this year, INS Arihant is also slated to go for "harbour and sea trials" once its miniature 83 MW pressurized light-water reactor gains "full criticality". The defence establishment is eager to induct INS Arihant, armed with 12 nuclear-tipped missiles, by next year because it will constitute the most effective and difficult-to-detect leg of the nuclear triad.

The NCA meeting was attended by defence minister A K Antony, national security advisor Shiv Shankar Menon , DRDO chief V K Saraswat and the three Service chiefs, Air Chief Marshal P V Naik, Admiral Nirmal Verma and General V K Singh, among others.

It comes close after ISI chief Lt-General Shuja Pasha's threat that Pakistan would give a befitting response to any Indian attempt to launch any Abbottabad-like operation since targets inside India "had already been identified'' and "rehearsals'' carried out.


This sabre-rattling comes in the backdrop of Pakistan furiously building up its nuclear arsenal, which already stands at an estimated 70 to 90 warheads compared to India's 60 to 80. {Idiot has to insert this line here}

Pakistan's two new heavy-water reactors coming up at its Khushab nuclear facility are clearly geared towards producing weapons-grade plutonium to supplement its ongoing enriched uranium-based nuke programme, as reported by TOI earlier.

What has added to global concerns is the fear that jihadis may gain access to "loose nukes", enriched uranium or nuclear technology to make "dirty bombs" in the ever-deepening mess Pakistan finds itself in. {Read BRF's Paki thread and write it as part of the article. :) }


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