Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 2011

[harbans]

The only pic of the dead guy with T shirt on the grass was taken by..yes Rehman Malik on his Blackberry and then given to the media.

[Suraj]

'Schwarzenegger hid sex life as adeptly as Pakistan hid Osama'

http://in.news.yahoo.com/schwarzenegger ... 13728.html

Please - this is the Pakistan thread. Schwarzenegger's sex life is of zero relevance to this thread. Who the fck is this guy anyway? Some actor-politician in some country. Post in benis if you like - but not here

On the contrary I think it's a very good article header, except that it's on the Indian and not US yahoo site - it is very worthwhile to reinforce their image as terrorist harbouring two-timers at any opportunity.

[Sridhar]

[Cat (CT) Hat]

This is at the extreme of conspiracy theories, but is it possible that no PC-3 was burnt at all and what was shown being burnt was simply a dummy? That would allow TSP to cart away the PC-3s, tell its own people that India, which is "the only party to gain from the destruction of naval assets" was behind this attack and more generally of the TTP and generate distance between the military and the terrorists ("they are attacking us, so how could we be supporting them, except perhaps for some bad apples in our midst". Is it possible for Khan to verify if the PC-3s were actually destroyed or are sitting in some Chinese base?

[/Cat Hat]

[shravan]

The only pic of the dead guy with T shirt on the grass was taken by..yes Rehman Malik on his Blackberry and then given to the media.

Second Pic.

http://www.samaa.tv/ImageGallery/201152516253.jpg

[shiv]

Indian, US, Chinese and Russian satellites will have multiple images of what those Orions have been doing and I am certain 2 Orions are gone.

The low casualties were because there were trained personnel at the base who took cover as needed (apart from the 2 firemen and that 600 yard casualty). Contrary to what seems to be popular conception on BRF - it does not seem to be the case that armed men are met with other armed men rushing headlong into fire. It is only when people rush headlong into fire that they risk getting shot - and they would do that only when absolutely necessary.

[Rahul Shukla]

shooting a man at 600yards is not childs play ... even for a static target....has to be a well trained sniper for that.

Pak jernails must be feeling uncomfortable now, with such sniper teams on the loose ... if 10 people in the attack team escaped as reported.

Indeed to shoot at 600 yards, you need a sniper rifle with telescopic sights, especially at low light/night conditions. But that indeed would have been a terrific shot if it happened. Even shooting 100 yards with a mango Lee Enfield /Ichhapore 0.303 at an NCC firing range with open sights is tough . A 600 yard shot without specialized equipment of a man sized target is highly improbable.

And yeah, such shooting will require months at dedicated shooting ranges to get to that kind of proficiency. All points to a rouge PA /PN element in this strike. All signs of a blue on blue here.

As far as I know, Uzi does not have the muzzle velocity it would take to be deadly at 600 yards. Yes, I've fired an Uzi quite a few times.

[Amber G.]

I think GuruPrabhu said something about PAF museum... A tourist site ityadi...
Here are two pictures.

[Frederic]

AmberG and other physics gurus,

A few qns about the new-clear depth charges.

*How big of an N pataaka could be carried by the Orions? What is the known theoretical capacity?

*If a beard steals this pataaka would it have enough maal to induce a real dhamaaka somewhere else?

*Assuming that this beard has the pataaka, would it be just plug and play to create a dhamaaka or would Abdul need sophisticated engineering to maalish the maal to induce dhamaaka?

*If nothing else would Abdul be able to create a bullock cart - JDAM scenario if pataaka won't give guaranteed dhamaaka?

Thanks
Fred

[asgkhan]

Pakistani students listen to their teacher, not pictured, during their daily classes at their school in a slum on the outskirts of Islamabad,


Pakistan army soldiers surround the area of suicide bombing in Peshawar, Pakistan on Wednesday, May 25, 2011


View of destruction caused by suicide bombing
A view of destruction caused by a suicide bombing in Peshawar, Pakistan on Wednesday, May 25, 2011.

[Lalmohan]

i think a stray bullet from an AK47 could kill at 600 yds - maybe someone got unlucky
also IIRC, at Akshardham, AK47 rounds from terrorists hit the NSG guys at 500 yds+ whilst their HK's were effective < 400 yds

[brihaspati]

So the next target is somewhere around Gwadar? Karachi was a mere diversion?

[Rangudu]

I don't buy a single line of that BBC story. TSPA/ISI wants to CYA and also establish CIA/RAW did it BS.

All initial TV reports said that the attackers were carrying G3s not M16s. The G3 is TSPA's standard issue assault weapon.

[Fidel Guevara]

AmberG and other physics gurus,

A few qns about the new-clear depth charges.

*How big of an N pataaka could be carried by the Orions? What is the known theoretical capacity?

*If a beard steals this pataaka would it have enough maal to induce a real dhamaaka somewhere else?

*Assuming that this beard has the pataaka, would it be just plug and play to create a dhamaaka or would Abdul need sophisticated engineering to maalish the maal to induce dhamaaka?

*If nothing else would Abdul be able to create a bullock cart - JDAM scenario if pataaka won't give guaranteed dhamaaka?

Thanks
Fred

The US used the nuclear Mark 101 Nuclear Depth Bomb in the 50's. Per wikipedia : length of 7 ft 6 in, diameter of 1 ft 6 in, and weighed 1,200 lbs. So, not too big, certainly much smaller than a torpedo. Anything that can carry a Harpoon or Exocet can carry something like this.

Pakistan is not at the point that they can afford the luxury of a nuclear depth bomb. If they can make 50kg of Pu per year, they are unlikely to devote 10% of their annual production to a single depth charge against a possible Indian submarine, which may or may not be a SSBN. They would rather make another Delhi-buster with the few resources that they have.

[ramana]

Fidelbhai, Where is the PU reprocessing plant for all the khusab maal? What if this is all chini maal? Working on this type is protection against sub based second strike. Both rascals the mad dog and the dragon benefit from such an enterprise.
So cant be ruled out.

[Frederic]

Fidel ji,

Assuming that no miniaturization in new-clear depth charges has happened since the 50s( or assuming that the said new tech is not available to the Pakis yet),

-Can we then say that whatever the attackers were after at PNS Mehran, it was not
the pataakas?

Best Regards
Fred

[ramana]

At outset looks like the upgraded Onions got shaeed. They may or may not be after such maal. Definitely after the Onions.

[Fidel Guevara]

Unkil will never leave pakistan. but will definitely leave afghanistan. pakistan is yet to fulfill its purpose of existence. to act as american dagger against Russia, china and later against India. Russian part is over. now china part will begin. the sino-american cold war on paki soil. if that is concluded favourably, indo-american cold war might start (20-25 years from now). pakjabi soil is today's kurukshetra..

Khan took 40 years to bankrupt the bear. The dragon will also take 40 years to bankrupt Khan. There will be no Indo-American cold war.

[Rahul M]

I don't buy a single line of that BBC story. TSPA/ISI wants to CYA and also establish CIA/RAW did it BS.

All initial TV reports said that the attackers were carrying G3s not M16s. The G3 is TSPA's standard issue assault weapon.

same here. there is absolutely no reason to take paki version of events at face value parroted by the beeb, that too after they have had time to put spin on it.

[Rahul M]

At outset looks like the upgraded Onions got shaeed. They may or may not be after such maal. Definitely after the Onions.

it seems like the older orions from 80's got hit. I will have to confirm though.

[Altair]

Indian, US, Chinese and Russian satellites will have multiple images of what those Orions have been doing and I am certain 2 Orions are gone.

Definitely, Many would have picked it up including her majesty. It was all happening in the open. It was for all to see.

The low casualties were because there were trained personnel at the base who took cover as needed (apart from the 2 firemen and that 600 yard casualty). Contrary to what seems to be popular conception on BRF - it does not seem to be the case that armed men are met with other armed men rushing headlong into fire. It is only when people rush headlong into fire that they risk getting shot - and they would do that only when absolutely necessary.

There are many conflicting versions regarding the number of armed men. The fact that some of them escaped after 17 hour operation is unbelievable. They must have a BIG card to walk out from there. I am only concerned about what they got away with. They were not too interested to kill people or cause collateral damage. 2 Orions are gone, I agree, but I believe they are not the actual reason. Their main target was something else which was available only at Mehran base. I believe it was some vital component or data or person they were after. It is no coincidence that US, Turk and Chinese personnel at that base. Either way what ever they were after, they have it now.

India should investigate this further. If an attack happens on India using something which they got through this attack, Pakistan would simply wash away its hands. They play the victim role to perfection. We simply cannot afford to ignore such incidents going on in Pakistan any more.

People like Hamid Gul and Pervez Musharraf still have power to assemble Special forces who can pull this off. If they are planning to JDAM India, they would be needing plausible deniability. Mehran was textbook operation. Those P3C Orions were replaceable.

[ramana]

NSV in Newsinsight.net

LINK

Why Mehran
Pakistan's India obsession blinds it to the threat from caliphate forces, says N.V.Subramanian.

25 May 2011: Three complex and inter-related narratives drive terrorism in Pakistan. And the Pakistani Taliban attack on the Karachi naval base that killed a dozen commandoes and destroyed two US-supplied Orions could mark the beginning of the end of Pakistan and its replacement by an Islamist caliphate with nuclear weapons. The reasoning for this goes thus:

The so-called "mujahideen" war against the Soviet Union beginning in the late-Seventies marked a phase of the most unity between the terrorists and its state backers, the US, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and (quietly) China. Once the Soviets left Afghanistan, the Americans turned their back, the Saudis patronized the Taliban if only to keep terrorism away from home, and Pakistan hoped to replicate the "mujahideen" experiment in Jammu and Kashmir.

The Pakistan army and ISI have wanted strategic depth in Afghanistan against India, even though this makes little sense after Pakistan became a declared nuclear power in 1998. Control of Afghanistan for Pakistan also means muting opposition of the Pashtuns to the Durand Line which they correctly believe divides a greater Pakhtunistan between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Pakistan and the United States created and financed the Taliban to take over Afghanistan from the "mujahideen" who fell out with one another once in power. The US needed a stable Afghanistan to pipe out hydrocarbons from Central Asia for final evacuation from a Pakistani warm-water port. Pakistan had strategic interests in Afghanistan in relation to India and the Pashtun question as explained before. The only opposition to the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan came from the Northern Alliance backed by Russia, Iran, Central Asian republics and India.

Nine-eleven changed Pakistan's cozy equations in Afghanistan. The US war in Afghanistan deprived the Taliban/ Al-Qaeda of state power. With the assistance of the Pakistan army and ISI, their leaders were settled in FATA and later in Quetta. Pakistan was forced to ally in the US war because otherwise it had been warned of being "bombed back to the Stone Age".

FATA has always been a lawless area. Its fiercely Islamist tribes are very independent. As a launch pad for the Afghan "mujahideen" war, it became a melting pot for jihadis of several nations. In the thirty-two years since the start of the "mujahideen" war, a new generation of jihadis has grown on the ideologies, teachings and experiences of the Al-Qaeda and Taliban. The Pakistani Taliban is a product of that generation.

Like the Afghan Taliban/ Al-Qaeda want a Sharia state of Afghanistan, so the Pakistani Taliban dream and demand the same of Pakistan. After the Lal Masjid attack in which their young adherents were killed by the Pakistan army, the Pakistani Taliban views it inimically. Pakistan's collaboration with US drone attacks in FATA and the death of Osama Bin Laden in an American raid have furthered the enmity. While a US drone attack killed the Pakistan Taliban leader, Baitullah Mehsud, the Pakistan army made him a prized target.

Pakistan's second terrorism narrative is directed against Jammu and Kashmir. The late Pakistani military dictator, Zia-ul-Haq, set in motion plans for that. When J and K's own insurgency sputtered out, Pakistan backed Lashkar-e-Toiba and Jaish-e-Mohammed terrorism, which was independent of whatever else was going on in FATA and Afghanistan, apart from the shared terror-training infrastructure.

Pakistan's third terror narrative related to Indian interests in Afghanistan. Obsessed about Indian action on two fronts, Pakistan launched suicide attacks on India's embassy and mission personnel in Kabul and targeted its development projects. The ISI has instigated these attacks using the terrorist forces of the Haqqani Taliban.

The thing to understand is that Pakistan wants control of all these disparate terrorism narratives to suit its ends in Afghanistan and against India. The Lashkar-e-Toiba could be amenable for the moment to work under the overall guidance of Pakistan's state terror institutions like the army and ISI. But the FATA/ Quetta Shura Islamists have their own plans.

The Afghan Taliban wants Afghanistan preferably without the involvement of the ISI, which it hates. The Al-Qaeda will return to Afghanistan as guests of the Taliban if the US leaves, which does not appear immediately imminent. The Pakistani Taliban wants a Pakistani caliphate eventually joined to Afghanistan.

The Pakistan army and ISI believe they can continue to calibrate terrorism to win their aims. But the US is tired of Pakistani terrorism/ perfidy in Afghanistan. The American killing of Bin Laden has been a game-changer. Pakistan can no longer calibrate terrorism to extract aid, concessions and support from all parties simultaneously, including the US and the terrorists.

It is in this background that the Pakistani Taliban attack on the naval base must be seen. Caliphate forces are attacking Pakistan. Their aim is to weaken the Pakistan army and destroy its confidence about protecting Pakistan state interests. The destruction of two Orions in a heavily guarded base is no small matter.

The caliphate forces are pushing for the tide to turn, when more in the Pakistan military/ ISI and atomic establishments will switch sides to them. But of course the Pakistan army and ISI with their endless obsession about India do not read the writing on the wall. One more successful attack such as on the Mehran base will cripple the Pakistan military.

India must be ready and prepared to face any eventuality, including a nuclear incident within Pakistan triggered by terrorists.

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Also LeT is Pakjab outfit while TTP is Pak Pashtun outfit. Afghan Taliban are also Afghan Pashtun outfit.

[A_Gupta]

As Richard Clarke said to Bill Maher (in a youtube clip posted many pages ago), about Pakistanis: They are such pathological liars they even don't know when they are lying any more.

What happened at PNS Mehran - the initial statements, before they had a lot of time to think of lies, is probably more accurate than what has been said later.

[ramana]

At outset looks like the upgraded Onions got shaeed. They may or may not be after such maal. Definitely after the Onions.

it seems like the older orions from 80's got hit. I will have to confirm though.

Link here:

Pak to ask for two more Orions

(Two of the upgraded version have been destroyed overnight terrorism action),

Thanks, ramana

PS: Folks are not following the story so far.

[SwamyG]

NSV in Newsinsight.net

LINK

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India must be ready and prepared to face any eventuality, including a nuclear incident within Pakistan triggered by terrorists.
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That is what I said, while the World is taking precautions against a dirty pattaka in their back yards - like Amirkhan and Desh protecting itself, a low hanging fruit would be to engineer a dhamka in MATA itself.

[shravan]

it seems like the older orions from 80's got hit. I will have to confirm though.

The two Lockheed P-3C Orion aircraft of Pakistan Navy lost in May 22, 2011, attack on PNS Mehran are identified as serial number '84' and serial number '87' by http://www.aviation-safety.net

P-3C Orion serial number '84' was handed over to Pakistan in October 2009

P-3C Orion serial number '87' was handed over to Pakistan in January 2010.

more detail here - http://www.historyofpia.com/forums/view ... 86#p130786

[Akshut]

Could anybody explain to me the BRF perspective of Lal Masjid attacks and the Chinese connection that was being talked about in this thread earlier? It was only after 26/11 I became a fan of Al-Bakistan.

[Rahul M]

it seems like the older orions from 80's got hit. I will have to confirm though.

Link here:

Pak to ask for two more Orions

(Two of the upgraded version have been destroyed overnight terrorism action),

Thanks, ramana

PS: Folks are not following the story so far.

oh, I have read that report. unfortunately for pakis that's not enough because I keep seeing conflicting reports.

edit : thanks shravan. that settles it.

[Fidel Guevara]

Fidelbhai, Where is the PU reprocessing plant for all the khusab maal? What if this is all chini maal? Working on this type is protection against sub based second strike. Both rascals the mad dog and the dragon benefit from such an enterprise.
So cant be ruled out.

Can't be ruled out, but unlikely. Chini maal might have been transferred to TSP in the past; however now the dragon knows just how insecure the nukes are, and that the US has its moles in every nook and cranny of the TSP establishment. Any leak of recent proliferation activity will result in a huge loss of face to PRC.

On the depth charge issue, let's look where nukes were employed. The US used nuke-tipped ASROCs to

1) protect carrier battle groups against attacking Soviet SSNs, and
2) in the GIUK gap to block SSBNs from entering the braod waters of the Atlantic. The GIUK gap was extensively mined and monitored, and enemy sub movements could possibly be tracked.

OTOH, the Soviets never went in for nuke anti-submarine weapons in a big way, since NATO subs had the entire ocean to roam free and launch SLBMs from a long way off. So, this is really useful in a small geographical area that can be monitored 24/7 - GIUK gap or area around a CBG. I am sure the Chinese also have these to protect against US SSNs in the restricted waters of the South China Sea.

Indian subs have the luxury of roaming free across the entire IOR, and Pakistan (or any country for that matter) just does not have the capacity to monitor such a vast area. You would use a nuke depth bomb only when you know there is a SSN closing in on your CBG (not applicable for Pakis) or if you know there is a SSBN preparing a strike on your land. For that, you need to know in real time the location of the SSBN - again not easy. For all you know, an Indian SSBN could stay within well-defended coastal waters "somewhere off the coast of India", and launch SLBMs from almost anywhere on the western coast.

When dealing with subs there are just too many unknowns, unless you have a massive sensor network and multiple, fast response ASW units able to strike at short notice. Having a few planes/ships for ASW and a couple of nuke depth bombs does very little to ensure your safety. You would be better served by investing your assets into MAD. If you accept that you can't kill the SSBN, you can definitely deter it from launching.

Again, JMTC...SSBN and ASW tactics/capabilities are probably the most secretive area in any military.

[saip]

Has something changed while we are not looking or is this a one off thing?

SRINAGAR: Indian security forces on Wednesday killed two militants in separate firefights in Indian-administered Kashmir, police said.

Officers said the two rebels slain during search operations in southern Kashmir were senior members of the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) guerrilla force,

Killed, slain as against 'martyred'
Rebels,militants as against 'freedom fighters'
Indian administered as against 'Indian occupied'

Dawn

[Gagan]

WRT the attackers that took part in the 'Rumble in Mehran'.
Rehman Malik said two things:
1. The attackers were 'fair' - I guess implying that they were TFTA and not SDRE
2. They understood urdu - because one of the officers called out to them to surrender and they understood what was being said and responded.

I wonder how fair the attackers were. Were they 'caucasian' fair? Were they Uzbeks or Chechens?
Any possible relationship to the Chechen shootout a week earlier?

I tend to believe that the Mullah Omar story was a plant by the Afghans. They saw that Pakistan would get a lot of airtime all over the world, why not slip in another nice cosy story and involve Hamid Gul in it - they are 100% correct that when the Taliban are involved, the likes of Hamid Gul would be involved too as representatives of the ISI/ Pakistan Army. A reminder to the world that the UN sanctions file against Hamid Gul needs to be refreshed and put up again to the council.

I don't think that there are nukes at Mehran. They are at Masoor.

The Z-9 helos that the Chinese have sold the Pakistani navy are the ASW versions. One can expect a dunking sonar on board. The chinese would have to train the pakistanis on how to use that helo, but not for this long a duration. It is likely that the Chinese were spying and studying the other western maritime surveillance and ASW aircraft there. There are three types present there - The Atlantique, The F-27 fokker and the P-3C Orion. Chinese government employees working at 10:30 at night on a sunday means a new milestone of achievement for these guys. I don't think that there were any americans at the base at this hour, or if there were, they were also 'busy' with the EUMA of the orions to protect them.
Mighty funny co-incidence that Chinese engineers who are experts in ASW are in the same base as the P-3Cs, allegedly still 'training' the Pakistanis after so many months. The Pakistanis must be really slow learners in the tricks of the ASW trade.

I don't think that the Nuclear depth charges against the arihant line has much going for it for now.
The chinese might have modified the harpoons to be able to strike land targets that have a radar signature and big installations in gujarat like the Jamnagar refinery must be made more secure from any misadventure by pakistan in case of a war. I don't think that the Pakistanis have a hope of getting to bombay high in one of those orions. Eitherway, there is usually an IN ship deployed in the neighbourhood at most times. This bombay high being a target is being talked about since the 80s, I would be very surprised if the IN doesn't have measures in place to detect and defeat any such attempt.

[ramana]

Gagan,
To re-program the harpoons won't they need to know the computer language and compiler etc. etc? Am not computer major.

In order to re-jig the guidance to distinguish with ground clutter is no mean task.

Its easier task to locate a ship against sea background.

IOW the harpoon guidance is upfraded quite a lot if its to be used for land attack.

[Gagan]

Also,
The importance of Mehran is that these long range ASW planes will surely be used in any attempt to attack targets like Mumbai or further south.
If the Pakistanis ever plan an airborne Nuke attack using the sea route, they will need refuellers and these maritime surveillance assets.

It is important to keep in mind though that these planes can't carry nukes on harpoons. But the chinese could rig these planes to fire off another missile that could carry a nuke - something like a 'raad'.
If Singha's finding that the raad is south african in origin and therefore there is no chinese angle involved (except the nuke itself), china will be more than happy to equip the planes with raads and try and make them nuclear capable.
If americans were present, the chinese might not be touching the orions, but equipping / teaching the pakistanis how to equip some of the other planes around.

But the presence of the Orions must be irresistible for the chinese, who by now probably know the innards of the Fokkers and the Atlantiques courtesy of their Pakistani navy bosom friends.

[Rahul M]

I would expect attacks on mumbai and south to come from masroor not mehran ?

[Gagan]

Gagan,
To re-program the harpoons won't they need to know the computer language and compiler etc. etc? Am not computer major.

In order to re-jig the guidance to distinguish with ground clutter is no mean task.

Its easier task to locate a ship against sea background.

IOW the harpoon guidance is upfraded quite a lot if its to be used for land attack.

But then what caused that harpoon story to come about?
Pakistanis can't do zilch with these systems. But the chinese could.

The IN used the services of the anti ship Styx to take out the Karachi fuel tanks, so directing the missile into thinking that the radar signature that it sees is a ship instead of a land target would probably be possible for the harpoon. After all how is a harpoon to know if the target is land based if there is a radar lock? Perhaps the Pakistanis can disable some other intelligent software that prevents the harpoon from being used in an anti land role?

[Gagan]

I would expect attacks on mumbai and south to come from masroor not mehran ?

From both actually.
The fighter wing from Masroor, and the support element (ASW, Refuellers) from Mehran, I guess.

[Gagan]

Is there a civil engineer here? There is some construction activity in la la land that I want an opinion on.


Are these blast proof buildings - storage bunkers? They seem to have multiple walls.

Intense building activity on at Quetta weapons storage depot - one of the sites suspected to hold nuclear weapons. BRFites might want to have a dekko at this area and try to identify locations which seem to be much better protected (extra boundary rings etc) even when they are located inside the base.

[ramana]

Gagan,
I read the memoirs of the IN Capt in charge of that modification to Styx to allow usage on land targets. Apparently when they acquired the Styx, they realized the land attack potential and worked on that for sometime. This increased its accuracy and more importantly reduced its potential for being spoofed. Something that was not done by Egyptian Navy as seen in 1973 war.


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[ramana]

Gagan, I don't see earth covered buildings. The reason is right after WWI the storage design was changed upon finding that earth covered bldgs were less prone to blast wall damage. Another thing is people make knock-out walls to protect from inside blasts.

Interesting is the symmetric row of holes in the middle of the pciture. Like a casting pit?

The three bldgs on middle left, two covered and one not yet seem to be similar bldgs. eventually the third one will get a roof.

[hnair]

Rahul M-saar, was off the net a bit, but to the point you had about Orions not carrying physics packages. Onions seem to have had a nukular role till USSR folded up. Khan started consolidating designs into multi-role bums, once they perfected the dial-a-yield thingy during the early 60s. So they were not called depth charges as such.

B57 bums with a hydrostatic fuze (for measuring depth) was apparently carried by so many crafts, including the Onions for this purpose. Wiki has an article on this.

The importance of Mehran is that these long range ASW planes will surely be used in any attempt to attack targets like Mumbai or further south.
If the Pakistanis ever plan an airborne Nuke attack using the sea route, they will need refuellers and these maritime surveillance assets.

Gagan-saar, I am not sure how the Onions will be used for a Mumbai attack. They are neither fast nor small to sneak in. Onion might be used within their coastal regions (~200kms) to find out surface movements and some sub hunting, so they can flit back to safety.

The problem with the Thin Ladies is this: to reach pindi, it has to be within 200 kms off Paqui coast and even then it is a stretch for the rest of 1200 odd kms! So there is an incentive to drop some chinese supplied packages in their protected waters. Though I feel with current baki capabilities, they are not going to be able to track a sub that well, unless they have oceanfloor ears etc.

[shravan]

Police refuses to make amendment in Naval Base FIR
http://www.onlinenews.com.pk/details.php?id=179695

As per details, the Naval officials held meeting with the police officials at Shahrah-e-Faisal police station asking them to make amendment in the FIR, which they refused. The Naval officials wanted to reduce the number of the terrorist which they mentioned in the report, but to no avail.