Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 2011

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby VikramS » 01 Jun 2011 01:32

Interesting talk about what the TSPA will do next.

They have struck back by taking out SSS.

The next leg of course might be some form of escalation at the Eastern border.

The question I have of course is whether jingo-giri will actually unite TSP? Folks like Asma Jahangir, Najam Sethi have openly calling the Jernails as good for nothing. And this is on Urdu channels and not some high flying English channel.

Perhaps it is time for India to respond with immense force to any tactical brilliance by the TSPA. Prove to the everyone within TSP that the TSPA is an unholy land-grabbing mafia bought out by the Americans and with no strength to even fight the SDRE Hindu.

A short-quick cheer-haran of the TSPA may do wonders to expose it. Something which results in the capture of 50-200 TSPA soldiers which can then be paraded across the TV screens all over the world. TSPA has been taking sniper shots at Indian forces so the causus-belli (Cause-e-Baili) is there.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby Gagan » 01 Jun 2011 01:38

No they will regain their self esteem by taking out Ayman Al Zawahiri, Iliyas Kashmiri etc from their safehouses in south punjab.

This the army will try and project as a major victory against the bad terrorists. They will say that these people were the one's doing all the suicide bombings in Pakistan, which would be a lie actually.

Expect the gullible abduls to rally behind the Pak Army once these guys are taken out.

But the others like the TTP won't like this one bit. They will intensify attacks on Pakistan even more. I suspect somewhere along the way, the armed forces will become the main targets even in the town and cities.

Very challenging days ahead for Pakistan it seems.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby A_Gupta » 01 Jun 2011 01:50

They will do this to SSS but not to JuD Hafiz Saeed. Shows where their priorities are.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby MurthyB » 01 Jun 2011 02:05

Poor Pakis try to save on lubricant bill by trying to reuse their GUBO lube and see what happens:

`Used lube damaged 200 locos`

An inquiry committee constituted by the National Assembly standing committee revealed in its report that some 200 Chinese locomotives were damaged by the use of substandard lubricant and overlooking the wear and tear, a private TV channel reported on Sunday


Crankshafts of 17 engines broke :eek: {Since Amerikhans 'crank-shaft' stays pretty strong during GUBO, this must have come as a surprise for Pakis}

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby Mahendra » 01 Jun 2011 02:07

Expect the gullible abduls to rally behind the Pak Army once these guys are taken out.


Gaganji

I don't agree with this assessment. For Abduls, Iliyas Kashmiri and AAZ are above the Army in terms of love and devotion. Pawkistan is a democratic terrorist state because mango abduls fully support the state policy of terrorism. The ones perpetrating the terrorist acts have a higher status than those pretending to prevent them from doing so IMHO

Mango abduls will be out on the street protesting against Raymond Davis but won't come out on the streets demanding appropriate punishment for Omar Sheikh Saeed because deep inside they fully support what he has done or what he stands for.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby Shrinivasan » 01 Jun 2011 02:25

JE Menon wrote:>>If yes, then why has he not met his 72.
The poor kids who go through this must be like putty in their hands, probably literally before they are sent towards the 72.

The poor kids in Madrassas are having such a horrible time guboing to these idiots that they prefer the 72 to these blokes... our hero is already getting his 72 boys here, why does he need to yearn for his 72 virgins in Jannat!!!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby harbans » 01 Jun 2011 02:40

The ones perpetrating the terrorist acts have a higher status than those pretending to prevent them from doing so IMHO

Very correct observation Mahendra Ji. That's why Qadri becomes a hit on facebook and deff n dumb. Why Osama in polls gets 90 plus % ratings. Why the PA is not upset that Osama was found inside a Military Cant area but at US transgressing their sovirginity. Paki society is now for the more pious. It's ripe. The Talibs have sensed it. Only the RAPE and PA elite have a stark choice facing them..become more pious or else wash away the hypocrisy that involves them ad their families in the West. The top in Pak is not sure now.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby ramana » 01 Jun 2011 02:43

Harbans and Mahendra do visit the managing Pak failure thread for the very scenario is discussed.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby Cosmo_R » 01 Jun 2011 02:52

MurthyB wrote:Poor Pakis try to save on lubricant bill by trying to reuse their GUBO lube and see what happens:

`Used lube damaged 200 locos`

An inquiry committee constituted by the National Assembly standing committee revealed in its report that some 200 Chinese locomotives were damaged by the use of substandard lubricant and overlooking the wear and tear, a private TV channel reported on Sunday


Crankshafts of 17 engines broke :eek: {Since Amerikhans 'crank-shaft' stays pretty strong during GUBO, this must have come as a surprise for Pakis}


That's what happens when you try to use up your supply of KY 8) . You go coco in the loco

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby Lilo » 01 Jun 2011 03:00

A Pakistani Journalist Vanishes: Is the I.S.I. Involved? - Time

On Oct. 17, Shahzad had been summoned to the ISI's headquarters to discuss the contents of an article published the day before with two officials from the agency's media wing. That report, published in Asia Times Online, alleged that Pakistan had quietly released Afghan Taliban commander Mullah Baradar, Mullah Omar's deputy, to take part in talks through the Pakistan Army.

According to the email, labeled "For future reference" and seen by TIME, one of the officials said the following words to Shahzad: "I must give you a favor. We have recently arrested a terrorist and recovered a lot of data, diaries and other material during the interrogation. The terrorist had a list with him. If I find your name in the list, I will certainly let you know."

Incidentally, the two ISI officials present at the meeting, Rear Admiral Adnan Nawaz and Commodore Khalid Pervaiz, are both from the Navy. Pervaiz has just been appointed the new commander of the Karachi naval base that was attacked.

Hasan of Human Rights Watch says that statement can be read as a threat. "The tone and the manner in which it was issued did constitute a threat," he says. "Shahzad described it to me."

The rest of the meeting, as Shahzad described it in the email, was held in "an extremely polite and friendly atmosphere," but no words were minced. In the email, the ISI official was said to have asked for the source of his story. Shahzad writes that he would not name the source, but said that he had been told the information by an intelligence official and later confirmed the story from "the most credible Taliban source." According to Shahzad's account, he was asked to "write a denial of the story" but "refused to comply with the [ISI] demand."


Last September, Umar Cheema, an investigative reporter for The News, an influential Pakistani daily, was kidnapped, blindfolded, stripped naked, had his head and eyebrows shaved, beaten, filmed in humiliating positions, and dumped on the side of the road six hours later.

"If you can't avoid rape," one of his interrogators jeered during the ordeal, "enjoy it."
:eek:

The perpetrators were never found, but when asked about his suspicions, Cheema told the New York Times: "I have suspicions and every journalist has suspicions that all fingers point to the ISI."



The whole article is a must read.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby Rudradev » 01 Jun 2011 03:00

Something doesn't add up with this PNS Mehran/ SSS-killing business.

If we take SSS' article at face value it seems TSPN had arrested some junior/mid-level cadre officers for their involvement with Al Qaeda. And Ilyas Kashmiri conducted the Mehran attack to "avenge"/"warn"/"threaten" the Amreeka-Pasand TSPN intelligence who arrested those officers.

Sounds like rubbish to me. This is another steaming piece of pie-dog stool being peddled by SSS (lifelong ISI mouthpiece), and it has only tangential (if any) relevance to his death.

I can believe that blowing up a couple of TSPN buses was part of Al Qaeda's pressure campaign to secure the release of the Islampasand Laftan-Kammandus etc. who had been arrested by Amreeka-Pasand TSPN intelligence. That fits in with the sort of pressure that TTP etc. have brought against Paki police holding mid-level Islamist thugs in the provinces: blow up some small thing, give a little dhamki so that the Police/Amreeka-Pasands get scared and let their guys go.

But that's about all that's warranted for this class of mid-level thug. Arrested Islampasand Majors and Laftan-Kammandus are not even worth a proper hostage-taking (a la IC814 for Massood Azhar.) They are just not important enough to AQ, to carry out a PNS Mehran-scale attack.

Mehran was way, way over the top for something like securing the release of a few middle-cadre Al-Qaeda sympathizers. The kind of people who attacked Mehran were no ordinary Abduls... they were the best of the best that Illyas Kashmiri has. Attacking the base and burning the P3Cs is far beyond the pale for securing the release of the Laftan-Kammandu types; if they REALLY wanted to get the arrested officers RELEASED, why not kidnap the Chinese engineers and ransom them as hostages, that would have done it!

But instead they destroyed the planes, killed a lot of NSSGs and used the Chinese hostages only as bargaining chips for safe passage. Does not fit in with an attack to press for the release of arrested Islampasands. We have NO idea what else they may not have done during the attack. I have a gut feeling that the P3Cs were only the tip of the iceberg.

Mehran was much more than a dhamki to pressure TSPN to release those suspects. When Al-Qaeda mounts an attack like that, it is showing its hand to some extent... look, we have operatives, equipment, access, intel of such-and-such quality... we have SSG guys working for us, etc. Risks are very great... if one of the SSG attackers had been taken alive, the intel gains to the Amreeka-Pasand TSPN intelligence would likely have been far more than what those Laftan-Kammandus they have arrested could give!

Like most of what SSS ever wrote, this is another stinking lie, a dissemination from the ISI to give the impression that Amreeka-pasand elements of Pakistan Armed Forces are victims of terror onlee. SSS was a Paki scumbag with a long history of spouting ISI propaganda... I am not one bit sorry that he died.

ISI killing SSS has to do with something else. Maybe something to do with why Mehran was attacked, but something much bigger than the arrest of middle-cadre officers. Whatever it was, SSS must have found out about it. Maybe he was stupid enough to try and blackmail the ISI with that information. We may never know. But I am 400% wary of associating SSS' Asia Times version of "why PNS Mehran was attacked" with the truth of why SSS was killed.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby ramana » 01 Jun 2011 03:19

Its the nooks as MMS was worrying about.

S^3 must have connected the dots and tried to get an exclusive story from ISI and got shaheed.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby Cosmo_R » 01 Jun 2011 03:21

SSS RIP is a human being. In these Manichean times, SSS got offed by the people who would also like to off us. He can't have been all bad. He was also shot at and wounded in Karachi last year.

I have not followed the whole Mehran thingie and would go blind trying to decipher the complexities/sub plots/conspiracies and wheels within wheels. My general impression FWIW, is that the Khilafat elements in the PA/PN/PAF (the brigadier level now) are trying to undermine the 2 stars and above by showing them up both to the Abduls/RAPE and Unkil This is not AQ, it is the Army of Islam crowd. The 1 stars usually control tactical missiles....

It' s the madrassah educated termites working their way up the deadwood.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby harbans » 01 Jun 2011 03:21

Rudradev ji, agree with a large part of the above. But what if they did take Chinese hostages and get their men released in the 17 hours they had? Who knows what happened in the 15 hours or so. Maybe SSS knew someone who did and was to put it in the media. Pure speculation here though.

Edit: Apologies there. :oops:
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby ramana » 01 Jun 2011 03:27

harbans, you mean Rudradev? And also what else they took with them as part of exchange?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby anupmisra » 01 Jun 2011 03:35



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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby Karna_A » 01 Jun 2011 03:56

Rudradev wrote:Mehran was much more than a dhamki to pressure TSPN to release those suspects. When Al-Qaeda mounts an attack like that, it is showing its hand to some extent... look, we have operatives, equipment, access, intel of such-and-such quality... we have SSG guys working for us, etc. Risks are very great... if one of the SSG attackers had been taken alive, the intel gains to the Amreeka-Pasand TSPN intelligence would likely have been far more than what those Laftan-Kammandus they have arrested could give!

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Mehran was most probably a TSPA operation to change the nation's discourse from OBL to this new incident.
After OBL, every channel in TSP and rest of world was just discussing OBL raid, the perfidy of TSPA and perpetual lying and deceit by ISI.

Now if there is a line in sand and you cannot erase it, but you need to make it shorter, your only option is to draw a longer line.PNS Mehran is that longer line.
Now most of TV channels have stopped talk of OBL and PNS Mehran is the new boogie.

Those planes were a small price to pay for avoiding a possible mid level officer mutiny in TSPA after OBL raid.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby harbans » 01 Jun 2011 04:05

Ramana Ji, no one really knows about the hostage thing. That night it was reported in some sections that there were hostages including some confirmation from the Chinese reported. Reports spoke of a dozen attackers. Then by morning when it was over there were 6 attackers, 2 free and no hostages reported. Could there be a deal with AQ-ISI to keep the negotiations secret about the swap..Chinese for operatives. Something that SSS could have been planning to break open in part 2. This is intrigue and hardly matters though for the Paki state. But ISI H&D in front of Chinese is prime concern for PA/ISI. Hence only exploring that angle as far as SSS killing goes.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby Muppalla » 01 Jun 2011 04:56

Rudradev wrote:Something doesn't add up with this PNS Mehran/ SSS-killing business.

If we take SSS' article at face value it seems TSPN had arrested some junior/mid-level cadre officers for their involvement with Al Qaeda. And Ilyas Kashmiri conducted the Mehran attack to "avenge"/"warn"/"threaten" the Amreeka-Pasand TSPN intelligence who arrested those officers.

Sounds like rubbish to me. This is another steaming piece of pie-dog stool being peddled by SSS (lifelong ISI mouthpiece), and it has only tangential (if any) relevance to his death.


Absolutely. Mehran attack is something that in spite of several thought streams and ideas, even BRF could not come to a concrete reason for the attack. However, Mehran attack is not some run of the mill Taliban attack and definitely there is something that is not regular did it for a reason.

SSS may have some other info that could have unravelled Pak nukes stuff and hence he is bumped off as though there is no tomorrow. See the urgency that ISI had shown. The picked him and killed him.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby shiv » 01 Jun 2011 05:03

Manny wrote:
Yup. IF you look at that other forum, the most anti India Rhetoric comes from the secularists who are living abroad. The Pakistani religious people seem to be more Anti US.


Manny - in the early days of BR when I was adminullah I strongly discouraged posting of info from "that other forum" for precisely the reason that Pakistani forums cannot represent the Pakistani population - even if the members fall into groups like you have said, Pak internet fora are filled with english reading/writing non resident Pakis. That means that a Paki forum does not represent the views of mores than perhaps a million English speaking Pakis. There are 179 million others.

The acronym "RAPE - Rich Anglophoe Pakistani Elite (RAPE) came from the picture of a Paki speaking English, with computer/living abroad and talking bullshit about India (and Pakiland) on the internet making Indians read that and vomit the crap on BRF as the truth.

So please stop basing your opinions about Pakistan from Pakdef.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby Shaashtanga » 01 Jun 2011 06:06

Gagan wrote:Najam Sethi says:
a). The US has given the Pakistanis a list of 4 people (not 5) that they want taken out.
1. Ayman-al-zawahiri
2. Iliyas Kashmiri
3. Atia abdul Rehman
4. Sirajuddin Haqqani (son of Jalaluddin Haqqani)

Mullah Omar is NOT on the list. He has been given to the ISI to take care of to bring to the table or deal with as they choose fit.
b) Sirajuddin Haqqani is in North Waziristan, and the Pakistan Army will move in for a limited operation there, although it seems that they will be very reluctant to take out the Haqqanis. (The elder Haqqani is to be brought to the negotiating table)
c) The US has given the Pakistanis names of the cities where the remaining three are hiding. These cities are in SOUTH PUNJAB. The US has told the Pakistanis to take them out in joint operations or there will be more unilateral strikes against these guys.
d) Regarding Sirajuddin Haqqani, the US knows that pakistan will drag its feet to take him out. The US plans to take unilateral action against Sirajuddin Haqqani most probably.

So the expected thing is that there will be joint US-Pakistani operation in South Punjab to take out the 1, 2, & 3 of that list, and some bombing shelling etc in North Waziristan to try and take out Sirajuddin, and possibly unilateral US commando raid to kill/capture Sirajuddin Haqqani.


Gagan saar.... in the same interview Najam mentioned towards the end about one of the other concessions will be to keep the DCH trial in US on the down low i.e. US media can track it but the state dept won't lean on TSP and humiliate the Puki security establishment any further...

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby Shaashtanga » 01 Jun 2011 06:13

Brad Goodman wrote:Pakistan is not our ally

Does anybody know where I can buy Pakistani flags wholesale?

I’m looking to stock up so I can burn one every time this so called “ally” lies to us, betrays us
:D , helps the Taliban, closes down the supply lines to our troops in Afghanistan, executes it own citizens for converting to Christianity, murders its own few sane and brave politicians, kills anyone who criticizes Islam, burns Christian churches, officially approves the gang-rape of innocent young women as a matter of “honor,” beheads American journalists, develops nuclear weapons and sells the technology to other terrorist countries, promotes terrorist attacks on its peaceful democratic neighbor India and fails to govern large sections of its own territory leaving it a rat’s nest of murderous primitive fanatics.

I’ll need other Pakistani flags to burn whenever our “ally” undermines American intelligence efforts putting our agents’ lives at risk, condones a system of “religious” schools that teach nothing but hatred of America, The West, Christianity, Judaism and Hinduism, fails to tax virtually any of its so-called elite preferring to remain a backward perpetual beggar-nation, fails to combat rampant corruption so that most foreign aid is stolen, fails to show gratitude anytime ever for the massive aid given by donor nations and treats the burning of American flags and chanting of death to America as part of the national morning wake-up ritual.

Oh, and then there was that other thing. Our “ally” in the war against terror harbored the worst terrorist on earth for years in a conspicuous compound a few blocks down the street from the Pakistani military academy.

I refuse to refer to that place as some commentators have as “the Pakistani equivalent of West Point.” I’ve visited West Point. My cousin is a West Point graduate. Pakistan has no equivalent of West Point. Pakistan has no equivalent of Culver Military Academy. What Pakistan must have is the equivalent of the R.O.T.C. program at Faber College (Animal House) or something like Bill Murray’s boot camp experience in Stripes. :rotfl: :rotfl:

I get it that responsible American government officials are restrained from telling it like it is when it comes to this “ally” because the logistics of fighting the war in Afghanistan would be even more of a nightmare without the ability to send supplies through Pakistan. We need Pakistan in 2011 like Germany needed Belgium in 1914. But, as Pakistani betrayals and insults mount, the German way of addressing such needs merits study.

While our leaders may have to hold their noses and deal with the Pakistani government, the American people can still exercise their freedom to call a skunk a skunk. Pakistan needs to understand just how much hostility its two-faced policies have engendered in the hearts of the American people.

I’d like to see our congressman help make this point with the Pakistani’s by first, supporting measures to cut foreign aid, both military and humanitarian. They are as likely to use the weapons against us as against the Taliban. The little humanitarian aid that makes it through the gauntlet of corrupt officials has apparently bought us no good will. They have bitten the hand that feeds them often enough to make the hand wary of further offerings.

Second, we should fully support India, a true democracy, in its long simmering conflict with Pakistan . We should supply to India, at a fair price, the most advanced military hardware that we would entrust to any reliable ally, such as Britain. We should sell to Pakistan only such weapons as we would want to see in the hands of our worst enemies. Cruise missiles for India, defective flintlocks for Pakistan.
:twisted: :twisted:
Third, we should tighten emigration and visa policies for Pakistanis seeking to enter this country. America has been enriched by many good and talented Pakistani emigrants who have become loyal citizens of this Republic. I respect them for the courage it took to emigrate and the conscious choice to become Americans.

Likewise, many Pakistani students who come here to study in good faith may someday return to help redeem their homeland from its ills. But we would be foolish to ignore the rampant state-condoned anti-Americanism that motivates the Pakistani wild men we see burning American flags and worse every day in our media. Our state department and homeland security must be increasingly vigilant in processing would-be entrants to our country from Osama bin Laden’s adopted, complacent and complicit homeland.

If Pakistan’s leaders persist in the appeasement of Islamic militants and covert support of jihad, the day may come when the world applauds as India re-establishes its historic dominion over the entire subcontinent, putting this failed state out of its misery. Even if India were unwilling to take on such a burdensome occupation, there is another more ancient way of dealing with an enemy or treacherous ally, the Roman way, which was, “to make a desert and call it peace.” Pakistan is already more than halfway there. If recent provocations continue, few Americans would weep to see all of Pakistan sink beneath the sands.

— Steven M. Fleece is a Charlestown resident


Supan allah I wish more average joe's think like him


Brad saab, great find.... if only Mr. Fleece can make a video and post it on youtube saying the exact same things he wrote and start circulating it amongst his friends / family & colleagues, he will be doing humanity a favor...

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby shiv » 01 Jun 2011 06:17

niran wrote:
JE Menon wrote:Pls someone translate that Urdu speaking mullah's description of the benefits of the 72. Much appreciated. The value if someone can transcribe that for youtube is immense.

my humble try:
what special about those clothes? you can even see the area around vagina through them, soo hasin(beautufull) so khubsoorat(again beautufull) are those vaginas and you can see them through those layers, now you will ask how is it possible, how can one see through all those layers,

:lol: Interesting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHAo_1YRt64

The interesting thing here is the mullah uses the words (from 1:36) - "piddliyon ka kooda" to describe what you have translated as "area around the vagina". That is funny "Piddliyon ka kooda" :rotfl:

The connection of the word "piddle" should be clear to anyone. In Tamil, "koodi" (koothi actually) is slang for female external genitaila ("c*nt")

Completely off topic - but I have read/seen more than one source that mentions some really ancient words that cut across languages. An ancient word for female genitals is "puti" which is very close to Punjabi colloquial "phuddi". Also the source for Latin "pudendum" (female genitalia).

Interestingly the Punjabi word for girl is "kudi" which is suspiciously close to Tamil "koodi". The girl-genitalia connection also exists in the word "aurat" (woman) which also means shame and genitalia.

Wild stuff. I thank Allah for making this stuff BRF mainstream via his servant on YouTube.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby Altair » 01 Jun 2011 06:26

I think we are seeing all this in a wrong way. Let us just make a list of all that have happened in Pakistan and try to make some sense of it. Let us assume if they are connected and try to disprove that.
1. Osama killed in a American special forces raid near a Pakistani military training town.
2. Pakistan Naval Air station was attacked, 2 Orions and couple of other aircraft taken out. The attackers were specially trained and negotiated well to stretch the operation for 17 hours.
3. Gilani visits China for a 4 day visit.
4. Hillary Clinton visits Pakistan
5. America submits a list of most wanted fugitives in Pakistan.
6. A reporter who peddles ISI crap is killed in the middle of an investigative article, just as America prepares for a major operation in N. Waziristan.
Did I miss anything?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby Suppiah » 01 Jun 2011 06:34

VikasRaina wrote:^ But ramana ji, isn't the timing bit odd or is it that like Capos family, they no longer care because no one knows what is happening inside the cesspool called ISI? They could have killed SSS in so many innovative ways rather than kidnapping him first by their own goons and throwing his lifeless dead body in a typical cheap potboiler fashion.
Anyways RIP SSS.


TSPA/ISI and even the so-called civilian political class has always been over confident in its ability to lie, obfuscate and camouflage and get away with such acts (and much worse) in western eyes. Their confidence has a justifiable basis in fact - that western media will always do a == and give them benefit of doubt or support them anyway because their 'services' are required.

Thirty years + of this over confidence is hard to cure by last few weeks events. The writing is on the wall, they will read it one day when it is late.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby Muppalla » 01 Jun 2011 06:41

Altair wrote:I think we are seeing all this in a wrong way. Let us just make a list of all that have happened in Pakistan and try to make some sense of it. Let us assume if they are connected and try to disprove that.
1. Osama killed in a American special forces raid near a Pakistani military training town.
2. Pakistan Naval Air station was attacked, 2 Orions and couple of other aircraft taken out. The attackers were specially trained and negotiated well to stretch the operation for 17 hours.
3. Gilani visits China for a 4 day visit.
4. Hillary Clinton visits Pakistan
5. America submits a list of most wanted fugitives in Pakistan.
6. A reporter who peddles ISI crap is killed in the middle of an investigative article, just as America prepares for a major operation in N. Waziristan.
Did I miss anything?


You missed really big thing. RAW removed some of the crown jewels. :)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby Suppiah » 01 Jun 2011 06:50

Brad Goodman wrote:Pakistan is not our ally

Supan allah I wish more average joe's think like him


It is of utmost importance that small town folks like this get adequate support and encouragement. They are the ones that change American politics and its direction.

Request BRFits living in that area send in letters of support, comments, what not...a crate of beer (not the American bud muck, some genuine stuff) would definitely be great :D

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby Satya_anveshi » 01 Jun 2011 06:56

Karna_A wrote:Mehran was most probably a TSPA operation to change the nation's discourse from OBL to this new incident.
After OBL, every channel in TSP and rest of world was just discussing OBL raid, the perfidy of TSPA and perpetual lying and deceit by ISI.

BTW: on a related point, SSS was the first one to report and confirm about paki involvementin OBL raid (charade) quoting Amir Haider Hoti, the CM of NWFP. This negated Obama's claim of "sole US operation" made previous night for sheeple in the US. This was probably against a section within ISI who signedoff with US on the operation.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby ManuT » 01 Jun 2011 06:58

Musharraf: Obama is arrogant

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... hpt=hp_bn4

Musharraf further called the May raid an "act of war."

"Certainly no country has a right to intrude into any other country," Musharraf told Piers Morgan. "If technically or legally you see it, it's an act of war."

Finally Musharrf accepts Kargil was an act of War.

"I think it is arrogance that: 'We don't care. We don't care for your national opinion. We don't care for your people. We will come in and do the same thing.' This is arrogance."

That sounds more like TSP policy to me, and yes it is arrogant.

Musharraf conceded that it was a "terrible mishap, a terrible failure" that Pakistani intelligence didn't seem to know more about bin Laden's whereabouts, saying they should have know he was living in a compound in Abbottabad, a short distance from a Pakistan military academy.

Musahrraf concedes TSP got caught.

Asked by Morgan if it was an unlawful assassination, he responded: "I don't want to get involved in these legalities of the issue," but "technically, theoretically, I'll agree

Kill OBL was "unlawful assassination". At a minimum OBL was a non-state actor in TSP or was his passport-vija getting regularly extended while his stay in TSP. In short, Musharraf supports OBL.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby shiv » 01 Jun 2011 07:01

ManuT wrote:Musharraf: Obama is arrogant

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... hpt=hp_bn4


Nowadays, Musharraf is as important to Pakistani affairs as Jimmy Carter is to US affairs

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby ManuT » 01 Jun 2011 07:02

More Musharraf news: a big blow to H&D of a Musharraf. Someone got used. :((

US withdraws Musharraf's security and protocol.

The US administration withdrew 67-year-old Musharraf's security and protocol after a UN commission's report on former premier Benazir Bhutto's assassination blamed the military ruler for failing to provide her adequate security.

Musharraf is treated like an ordinary citizen who has to join queues at the immigration counter in airports and undergo a thorough body search at the departure lounge, The News daily quoted diplomatic sources in Washington as saying


http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/us-wi ... col-109305

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby ManuT » 01 Jun 2011 07:08

shiv wrote:
ManuT wrote:Musharraf: Obama is arrogant

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... hpt=hp_bn4


Nowadays, Musharraf is as important to Pakistani affairs as Jimmy Carter is to US affairs


Sir, at least there is a Carter-puri in India. But TSP is yet to name a city called Musharrafa-abad, or maybe ... :mrgreen:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby shravan » 01 Jun 2011 08:15

3 senior bankers go missing in Karachi

The SBP staffers include Director Pakistan Remittance Initiative (PRI) Najm-us-Saqib and Manager Marketing Nadeem Bhurgari while the third missing person is Asif Shehzad, who is affiliated with the UBL in the capacity of senior vice-president. Saqib was responsible for the managing the affairs of the recently-established PRI which, according to the government officials, has played a leading role in the record increase in the remittances sent by the overseas Pakistanis with the amount crossing the US$9 billion mark.

According to police, the three bankers were kidnapped on Monday night at around 9:40pm while they were on their way back to home from the Country Club Road.

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Two SBP directors among five kidnapped

Two more persons including Gadap town’s administrator Mushtaq Solangi and an industrialist’s son have also been kidnapped from other parts of Karachi.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby CRamS » 01 Jun 2011 08:38

Brad Goodman wrote:Pakistan is not our ally


I enjoyed the TSP bashing in this, but I was troubled a tad at the reference to India in the context of a zero sum game between India & TSP. In other words, relations with India should be on its own merit and not because of a need to stick it to TSP if it doesn't behave. Likewise, TSP ought to be treated as terrorist abomination irrespective of US relations with India.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby SSridhar » 01 Jun 2011 08:39

ManuT wrote:US withdraws Musharraf's security and protocol.
The US administration withdrew 67-year-old Musharraf's security and protocol after a UN commission's report on former premier Benazir Bhutto's assassination blamed the military ruler for failing to provide her adequate security.

At the same time, the UK prevented the GoP from serving court notice to Musharraf thrice in London. Hence the resort by the court to the 'fugitive' status.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby SSridhar » 01 Jun 2011 08:54

Brad Goodman wrote:Pakistan is not our ally

Let's support this effort by sending comments congratulating the author and politely pointing out why Pakistan is TSP. I have done so.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby Gagan » 01 Jun 2011 09:21

shiv wrote: :lol: Interesting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHAo_1YRt64

The interesting thing here is the mullah uses the words (from 1:36) - "piddliyon ka kooda" to describe what you have translated as "area around the vagina". That is funny "Piddliyon ka kooda" :rotfl:

Shiv saar,
Pindaliyan = female external genitalia. This is the colloquial use of this term which literally should mean extrimities.
Gooda = mound of flesh. Breasts are sometimes called gooda.

I think his reference is not to the mons pubis, but to the la* majora.
The english description is a cameltoe.
A google image search with safe search turned off will be instructive for anyone caring to know more.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby Shrinivasan » 01 Jun 2011 09:23

Gagan wrote:Err,
Wouldn't Syed Saleem Shahzad be Shia?
Aren't Sayyeds (Sayyed Salauddin) different from Sayeeds (like Hafiz Sayeed = Sunni)

Gagan Paaji,you might be right, in his picture I didn't see the dark dicolored skin on Sunnis who touch the ground and pray...

or was he a Kufir who didn't pray 5 times, he sports a beard - may be it was not long enough?!?!?!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby shiv » 01 Jun 2011 09:28

Gagan wrote:
shiv wrote: :lol: Interesting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHAo_1YRt64

The interesting thing here is the mullah uses the words (from 1:36) - "piddliyon ka kooda" to describe what you have translated as "area around the vagina". That is funny "Piddliyon ka kooda" :rotfl:

Shiv saar,
Pindaliyan = female external genitalia. This is the colloquial use of this term which literally should mean extrimities.
Gooda = mound of flesh. Breasts are sometimes called gooda.

I think his reference is not to the mons pubis, but to the la* majora.
The english description is a cameltoe.
A google image search with safe search turned off will be instructive for anyone caring to know more.


Ah! I stand erected corrected

Gudda is mound in Kannada as well

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 20

Postby Gagan » 01 Jun 2011 09:39

:mrgreen:
The mullah was describing the eyes of that hoor. Did anyone get what term he was using? I am afraid that even I am at a loss here.

The amazing thing is that this detailed description with sexual innuendo thrown in left right and center, and the mullah ascribes all of this to allah and the prophet! I mean this guy should be wajib-ul-cattle for demeaning islam, the prophet and allah himself.

Instead he is probably sitting in a madarsa, adjacent to a mosque and coolly giving out this lecture amidst copies of the quran, the hadiths all lying about. My feeling is that this is the equivalent of the reproductive system chapters in the biology textbooks, in the madarsa curriculum.

Amazing!

Although I suspect that this description is part of traditional folklore in the middle east and pakistan. This is the Pakistani version of the Arabian Nights ~ Pakistani Nights.
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