Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2011

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 22 Jul 2011 19:59

If this attack is indeed part of jeehard then are the Scandinavian countries being targeted because they are the soft underbelly of Oirope?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Jul 2011 20:01

ranjbe wrote:Besides JUI has always expressed its displeasure at women occupying any place outside the home, including criticism of Mohotorma Benazir.

Ranjbe, in fact, it was the other way around. When Ms. Benazir Bhutto became the PM the first time around, there was so much opposition to her from Islamist parties. According to them, the position of a Head of State could not be held by a woman because one of the duties of that position would be to lead a prayer congregation (!) that a woman was not allowed to do, or it would require her to wear fine clothes or be alone with men who would not be her mahram etc which are all forbidden in Islam. The raging controversy was finally settled when Maulana Fazlur Rehman (JuI-F) declared that Ms. Benazir Bhutto was not the Head of State and was only the Head of Government. The then Pakistani Ambassador to Yemen, Zafar Hilaly, recalls obtaining a fatwa from Yemeni clerics on the same issue.

JUI-F is an Islamist party no doubt with all the trappings, but is also an opportunist one which always wants to be on the right side of any ruling party. It is the Jama'at-e-Islami of Abu Ala al Mawdudi that is very rigid in these matters, especially about women.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 22 Jul 2011 20:04

lots of kurdish extremists in Norway. Several arrested for threats to PM of Norway etc.

nikhilarora · Post by **nikhilarora** » 22 Jul 2011 20:06

Fake optimism and then more rona dhona by ~~Kelani~~ Jellani. Sorry, if posted earlier!

http://tribune.com.pk/story/214742/us-p ... ral-raids/

LONDON:
Contrary to assertions made by the US government, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani said he has received assurances there will be no repeat of the unilateral raid that killed Osama bin Laden, British newspaper the Guardian reported on Thursday.

Gilani’s remarks, in an interview with the paper, opposed comments made by US President Barack Obama and other American officials that US forces would take similar action against other al Qaeda leaders if necessary.

“Since we were sharing information with US and there was a tremendous relationship with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), we could have done a joint operation in Abbottabad, but it didn’t happen. Therefore we had a lot of reservations,” Gilani said.

The prime minister said he had received the assurance personally from the US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton. In her public statements, however, Clinton
has declared the US would strike unilaterally against other top militants if others did not, according to the Guardian.

On Thursday, however, Gilani said any repeat of the raid would be “totally unacceptable”.

“Public opinion would further aggravate against the US and you cannot fight a war without the support of the masses,” he said in the interview.

He added that another raid would damage “not only our relationship, but also our common objective, to fight against militants. We are fighting a war and if we fail that means that it’s not good for the world. We can’t afford losing.”

After the raid against Bin Laden, the government said it had stopped the US launching drones from its territory. Nevertheless, drone strikes in the tribal areas have continued.

“We don’t allow our bases to be used. They have other bases they use,” Gilani told the Guardian. Asked where those bases were, he replied: “I don’t know. You ask the Americans. This is a question to put to them.”

Gilani deflected questions on some of the other irritants in US-Pakistan relations. On the allegation this month by the US Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff, Admiral Mike Mullen, that the government had “sanctioned” the killing of journalist Saleem Shahzad, the prime minister said Mullen should present evidence, adding that he was unaware of whether Mullen had already done so.

On Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) allegations this week that the military, including the ISI, had spent $4m on trying to influence US policy on Kashmir, Gilani claimed he was not sufficiently well informed to comment. He said the same regarding the FBI’s arrest of Syed Ghulam Nabi Fai, a Kashmiri separatist lobbyist.

Balancing US with China

On Wednesday night, Gilani told an audience of British and Pakistani business leaders that his country’s most important foreign relationship was with China.

The emphasis on the Chinese relationship has been heightened since the raid on Abbottabad and the cutting of US aid to Pakistan, but Gilani denied Islamabad was playing one world power off against another.

“We want to have relationships with both China and the United States. We don’t want to lose our relationship with the United States,” the prime minister said according to the report.

However, he made it clear there was some way to go before relations are returned to normal.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 22 Jul 2011 20:16

gakakkad wrote:^^^ I was unaware that Paki's were in scandinavia. May be they got very jealous as Scandinavian countries have the tallest population in the world. I am almost 6 foot tall and I felt like a kid there.So bakis though Joo norway kaafirs are even more TFTA than us . So bummmmmm.

Scandinavian countries have (still have?) a very liberal immigration laws (especially asylum seekers...which is exploited), social nets that allow people with no skills to live on dole without assimilating into majority culture etc....there were some very heavy paki immigration there in 90s. They probably don't have the second generation immigration islamist problems like the UK..but they still have ghettos..a la the 'oil-drop' phenomenon explained by hakim.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Jul 2011 20:17

nikhilarora wrote:http://tribune.com.pk/story/214742/us-p ... ral-raids/
"We don’t want to lose our relationship with the United States,” the prime minister said according to the report.

Does any Head of Government talk of 'loss of relationship' unless the situation is real bad ?

saip · Post by **saip** » 22 Jul 2011 20:20

Gilani:

We are fighting a war and if we fail that means that it’s not good for the world. We can’t afford losing.”

The man's ego. They created the problem and he thinks they are fighting for the whole world and so everyone owes them a debt!

anishns · Post by **anishns** » 22 Jul 2011 20:20

^^^

....a la the 'oil-drop' phenomenon explained by hakim.

Can someone please elaborate on this phenomenon for this Kafir?

Gracias!

vina · Post by **vina** » 22 Jul 2011 20:27

gakakkad wrote:What did Norway ever do to the Pakis?

They LET THEM IN! Big mistake. In fact , as a percentage of population (Norway is less than 3m or so I think), Norway has the highest percentage of Pakis (those 50 to 100k Pakis are a big percentage of the 3m total)!

The Pakis mass immigrated into Norway since the 70s. In fact, that immigration business was the biggest export of the Pakis and they went hunting for every country after sucker country would would take in those kind of immigrants (with generous welfare to boot).. (read up VS Naipaul's Among Believers and his other works, he talks about Pakistan about how people who wanted to a separate country in the name of faith, simply dont want to live there at all, but emigrate to every where else!). I remember Nawaz Sharif and other Paki leaders going and canvassing actively among the Paki diaspora in Norway .

There is going to be serious Paki involvement in it, both at foot solider level (via the Paki community there) and also with planning and other links going back to Paki land. You can bet your testimonials on it.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 22 Jul 2011 20:29

Eureka ! I found a Pak link. The chief suspect Mullah Krekar studied law in Pakistan. And even taught.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... rekar.html

Kamboja · Post by **Kamboja** » 22 Jul 2011 20:30

Maybe I am just unable to get over my hatred of the Pakis, but talking of making overtures to them at this stage to soften the anti-Indian/anti-Hindu stance in that benighted land leaves me with a terribly bitter aftertaste. Most of all I think it would be counterproductive to make any overtures at all to the Pakis until the fundamental evil that is the basis for their country and society is exposed and rubbed in their faces, until they understand and they finally see how evil their actions and thoughts have been all this time, and truly desire to reform and change.

That perhaps sounds dramatic, but I can't help but think of the Germans after WWs I and II. After the 'Great War', many Germans adopted a 'Paki-like' attitude (apologies to modern-day Germans for this odious comparison) and said 'we would have won the war but for the Jews and the internal traitors', and as a result the entire country was thirsting for a re-match. They were able to sustain this thirst because, although Germany was defeated, the country's infrastructure and society was still largely in place and had not been utterly demolished. This allowed them to nurse their vengeance, allowed the Nazis to come to power, who then went on to persecute and murder millions of minorities (esp. the Jews), as well as use the country's excellent standing infrastructure to rapidly re-arm and prepare for war a mere twenty years later.

The 'overtures' made by the Brits and the French at that time were simply interpreted as weakness by the Nazis, and are now infamously (and more accurately) called appeasement. I think the TSPA and their pet jihadis would have exactly the same reaction to any overtures we make at this time, and any such action we take should rightly also be called appeasement.

I honestly think that a cataclysmic event needs to happen in Pakistan, to indicate to one and all in Pakistan the utter failure of their philosophy and to spark a true desire for reconciliation and peace with India. As has been discussed on this board many times before, although Pakistan has been rotting away on multiple levels, it has not reached the point of dramatic collapse that Germany did after WW2, when the entire country was bombed into the dust. That kind of dramatic collapse is, I think necessary for the aam abdul and especially for the RAPEs to finally wake up from their hate-filled delusional state, see the ruins of their ideology literally all around them, and realize that they need to start from scratch.

If Pakistan is ever to be a peaceful, constructive neighbor, the existing structure of the country -- social, political, economic, military -- has to be torn down and restarted from scratch. We should not be making overtures prematurely until the process of demolition is complete.

JMT.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Jul 2011 20:39

Malmo in sweden is said to be one such oil droplet...more like a mini-caliphate. even the swedish cops are said to be under orders not to venture in unless they go in groups of 4+ and ambulances always move with police escort.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 22 Jul 2011 20:39

anishns wrote:^^^

....a la the 'oil-drop' phenomenon explained by hakim.
Can someone please elaborate on this phenomenon for this Kafir?

Gracias!

Islamic communities survive among non Muslims by clinging together in close knit communities like "oil droplets in water" where the completely Islamist mullah and a few others including women and young kids live in the center. They many not even know the local language, but survive "protected" , surrounded by a layer of others (who practice taqiya for the good of the core) who dress like locals and speak the local language to deal with the dirty kafir dar-ul-harb outside.

The following two pics attempt to sum up the structure - one is the oil drop itself and the other is an explanation of the color codes. Click on thumbnail to enlarge

anishns · Post by **anishns** » 22 Jul 2011 20:43

^^^

Thank you hakimullah

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 22 Jul 2011 20:47

Norwegian prosecutors on Tuesday filed a terrorism charge against Mullah Krekar, founder of the Kurdish Islamist group Ansar al-Islam.

Al Zajira

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 22 Jul 2011 20:47

Kamboja wrote: I honestly think that a cataclysmic event needs to happen in Pakistan, to indicate to one and all in Pakistan the utter failure of their philosophy and to spark a true desire for reconciliation and peace with India.

Yes - but we need to remain open to the idea that the "cataclysm" may not announce itself like an atomic bomb but a series of reverses and failures.

The important thing is not to go to Pakis asking for friendship but to wait for those who come out of desperation. At that stage we have the choice of telling them to bugger off, or telling them to expect relief if they bow their heads and accept that the are shits. Those that don't get kicked. Those that do are given a chance to do business.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 22 Jul 2011 20:49

Pic from Oslo Jihad

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 22 Jul 2011 20:56

^^
Pic reminds me of Mumbai. Blood boils. *bangheadagainstwall*

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 22 Jul 2011 21:11

^^^^^^
Norway has a few hundred soldiers under the NATO command in Afghanistan. Is that the reason?
it would be really dumb for the jihadis to blow up their own sanctuary in the west......
Just wondering what could be the reason.....
...But there is a silver lining......all these soft oiropean countries will take a hard look at
TSP.......I'm sure Norway will threaten to withdraw their troops unless unkil squeezes TSP
b@11s some more.....

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 22 Jul 2011 21:14

My commiserations to the victims of this latest outrage.

Without looking at the previous posts on the subject, what's the book on number of days before a Pakistani connection is revealed? I'll take the under.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 22 Jul 2011 21:14

Didn't Pakistani chief guest Zawahiri warn of attacks in Europe?

sum · Post by **sum** » 22 Jul 2011 21:21

Better to wait a little, the connection will emerge in due course, and then we can go to town on the basis of truth. Always better and always hard for them to back away from. Only a little connection is needed, a small opening, and we can do an unoiled GUBO with tons of info in various places

Not to worry...if Pak is even teeny-weeny bit involved ( am sure they will be neck deep), GOTUS itself will not let go of this chance and will run TSP down further ( after the Fai jhapad).

At least Desh wont be the only one screaming about Paki involvement till the Pakis agree to GUBO on American terms.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 22 Jul 2011 21:37

moved to EU thread

Y I Patel · Post by **Y I Patel** » 22 Jul 2011 21:41

Newspapers over here in US have been reporting a significant shift in AQ strategy under Zawahiri. Since mainland US is so well protected, there was enormous frustration among AQ rank and file at OBL's insistence in going after US targets, even so called Tier 2 ones. Zawahiri is reported to have shifted focus to American interests abroad as well as American allies. This could be the opening salvo from AQ-Central.

sum · Post by **sum** » 22 Jul 2011 21:48

^^ Even that is bad news for the Poaks since these days, every sane guy knows Al-Q == TSP

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 22 Jul 2011 22:06

A_Gupta wrote:http://www.deccanchronicle.com/columnis ... l-liberals
Shashi Tharoor on Aatish Taseer's article and the reactions to it.

As this otherwise minor editorial spat demonstrates, Indians need to put aside their illusions that there are liberal partners for us on the other side of the border who echo our diagnosis of their plight and share our desire to defenestrate their military. Nor should we be surprised: a Pakistani liberal is, after all, a Pakistani before he is a liberal.

Wow! Sashi Tharoor is making interesting statements nowadays.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 22 Jul 2011 22:23

Just heard on BBC
(ex ?) Metropolitan police officer Brian Paddock (spellings?) noted the presence of a significant number of Pacquis in Norway and "asian" gangs. Also added that this may indicate to the homegrown groups involvement.
well...

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Jul 2011 22:36

Balochis as infidels:
http://criticalppp.com/archives/53844

Narad · Post by **Narad** » 22 Jul 2011 22:39

Brain Paddick Former Deputy comminsioner of Oslo police pointed his finger of suspicion on the “reasonable amount of radicalised pakistani population in and around Oslo” behind the Nor-e-way Jihad. He was commenting on BBC, a short while ago.

Apparently armed groups of paki robbers have already been major takleef for Oslo police to deal with.

Also, many people are reported to be killed at the shootout incidence in Norway, as per Reuters.

Although What was most interesting was his comment that he was due to attend his husbands

sister's birthday today.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Jul 2011 22:49

http://tribune.com.pk/story/214881/army ... tion-firm/

ISLAMABAD:

In what appears to be a setback to the efforts to limit the military’s footprint in the economy, the government on Thursday allowed the National Logistics Cell (NLC) – the army’s commercial logistics arm – to bid for a state-owned construction company, in violation of the NLC charter.

The decision was taken at a meeting of the NLC’s board of directors, chaired by Finance Minister Abdul Hafeez Shaikh, who has been actively involved for the last several months in narrowing the scope of the NLC’s activities and bring them in line with the company’s legal mandate.

The move comes less than three weeks after the NLC management was found to have been illegally engaged in trading on the Karachi Stock Exchange, an activity which resulted in the company losing Rs1.8 billion between 2004 and 2008. The parliamentary Public Accounts Committee (PAC) has directed the National Accountability Bureau to begin legal proceedings against three retired generals and two civilians for their alleged involvement in the case.

Narad · Post by **Narad** » 22 Jul 2011 22:53

Dilbu wrote:^^
Pic reminds me of Mumbai. Blood boils. *bangheadagainstwall*

Not only the pic. The modus operandi too.

Apart from the blast, there has been a simultaneous shootout by terrorists dressed as policemen at a youth center in Norway. Several reported killed.

partha · Post by **partha** » 22 Jul 2011 22:56

RamaY wrote:
Wow! Sashi Tharoor is making interesting statements nowadays.

It's good that more and more people are seeing the true face of Paki lib-e-rals. Also, remember Tharoor getting pissed off at the Pakiness of Mohd Hanif at Kovalam literary festival.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 22 Jul 2011 22:57

guys, until a paki link is found let's discuss this in the EU thread. one report said a 'nordic' man was arrested.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 22 Jul 2011 23:04

As far as Norway is concerned don't forget our ex-good friends across Rameswaram. I think early this year the Norwegians started a crackdown on ex-LTTE residents. They could have joined - or given the necessary resources, monetary and else, by the Jeerhadis - and all this could be a joint project.

Frustrations in aspirations, when initially encouraged without thought - has bitten European ex-colonials hard. Indonesian case for example.

jagga · Post by **jagga** » 22 Jul 2011 23:13

Norway attacks: who is responsible?

One possible culprit is the Pakistan-based core al-Qaeda group, which has previously shown interest in attacking Norway. In July 2010, three Norwegian residents, one of whom had received explosives training with al-Qaeda in Pakistan, were arrested on suspicion of plotting attacks against unspecified targets. One of them had attempted to construct the same hydrogen peroxide-based explosives as used in the 2009 al-Qaeda bomb plot against the New York subway and the 7/7 bombings in London.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 22 Jul 2011 23:13

Pakistan name is coming up in every analysis on bbc and cnn. Just a matter of time for some sort of confirmation.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 22 Jul 2011 23:23

Bomb blasts have clear footprints of pakistan trained aq. Utoeya shooter is believed to be nordic.

a_kumar · Post by **a_kumar** » 22 Jul 2011 23:24

A_Gupta wrote:Balochis as infidels:
http://criticalppp.com/archives/53844

Nothing was known of Nasir until his bullet riddled mutilated body was found in Western Bypass area of Quetta on July 17th along two other Baloch’s

I am noticing that most of such extra judicial killings by the martial troops involves the above bolded part. In contrast to a bullet in the head or in the heart or some other manner, it is bullet-ridden. Never really visuaulized what it meant, until I saw the gruesome video of pakistani troops killing kids.

Execution with automatic weapon and pretending like they are in a shooting range seems to be their MO. The whole parts of TSPA appear like a 21st century versino of Nazi death squads.

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 22 Jul 2011 23:39

ISI paid Indians to lobby?

More Indian names tumble out of Pakistan sy agency ISI's seminar list. Were these activists paid by ISI to lobby for Pakistan? After TIMES NOW brought you the story of pro-Pak Indians running for cover, more skeletons have come tumbling out of the closet as not only do fresh names emerge, but the Indians who visited these funded seminars with 5 star treatment in the United States were also regulars in London and Brussels.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) exposes what India has been saying all along - an obsessed Pakistan and its Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) just canâ€™t get over its India fixation. Two days later TIMES NOW exposes the Indians on the ISIâ€™s cocktail circuit, people who crossed the line, clearly overwhelmed by their own point of views and sense of importance, no mater what the consequences.

And now a day later, the Indians in the pro-Pak lobby run for cover, from academician, doctors, bureaucrats, journalists to legal luminaries. Calcutta born US-based Indian, Angana Chatterji, is a woman with an agenda, a professor of social and cultural anthropology in California. Known as India baiter, she is a regular at the ISI sponsored cultural and academicals of the Kashmiri American Council (KAC).

According to records, Angana presented an anti-India report on alleged human right crimes in Jammu and Kashmir in 2010. In fact, the FBI in its criminal complaint against Syed Ghulam Nabi Fai refers to a human rights activist, codenamed, Mary, of being propped up by the ISI to launch an anti-India campaign before the United Nations. A woman chosen by Major General Mumtaz Ahmad Bajwa, the man who heads the ISIâ€™s Kashmir desk.

But strangely nobody seemed to have asked why a little known organisation would spends thousand of dollars to fly them, wine them, dine them just to hear them speak before a motley audience of a handful events not even covered by the media. In fact one so called human rights activist was even asked by the Indian govt not to attend the event organised by the Kashmir Council but the lure of a free trip seemed too much to ignore. In fact the KAC boldly announces the support of the likes of Arundhati Roy. Unfortunately in this pseudo din of self-righteousness, the rights and the wrongs seemed to have been lost in the echoes of their own voices, where even the enemy seems closer then your very own.

So called Indian-Right is in a sad state if they are not able to capitalize on this treason by Prominent India-Bashers.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 22 Jul 2011 23:42

a_kumar wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:Balochis as infidels:
http://criticalppp.com/archives/53844

They do it in the name of Prophet Muhamamd and Allah in vain hope that action will avoid the fire of hell. They cant live with or without "it". Whosoever came up with the dictum that Pakistan is Islam and Islam is Pakistan deserve No-bell Prize in Paki_satan-neeyat.
Poaq Peekers
The main Ilzam on islam by aman pasand Insaan is present day Pakistan and guilt is proven globaly every day . Either Poaqerstan survive or Islam, choice is yours to make. You are becoming a bloat on the deen. Onlee way to repent is Jamestown style collective suicide after Jumma prayers.