Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2011

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby chetak » 23 Jul 2011 13:11

Indian offer to sell electricity likely to be ignored :)


ISLAMABAD: While the Senate was informed on Friday that the ministry of water and power was considering the Indian offer to sell electricity, the officials have already decided not to proceed with the offer because of strategic reasons, according to sources.

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However, sources told Dawn that Pakistan would not proceed with the offer because doing so could lend legitimacy to the Indian power projects in occupied Kashmir.

“Pakistan has already filed appeals against the Kishanganga hydropower project in the Court of Arbitration at The Hague,” said an official of the water and power ministry, adding that the next hearing was expected to be held in the first week of August.

“India has massive electricity shortages but they want to sell some power to Pakistan. This will strengthen their claims in the court that they are producing cheap electricity and sharing the gains with Pakistan,” the official said

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby abhishek_sharma » 23 Jul 2011 13:43

Another Challenge to U.S.-Pakistan Ties: Daniel Markey Interview

What is the significance of Ghulam Nabi Fai's arrest?

What's significant about it most is the timing. This comes on the heels of the arrest of the Pakistani doctor who assisted the U.S. operation in Abbottabad [targeting Osama bin Laden] and worked directly with the CIA in a variety of ways. So what you have inside of Pakistan is the arrest of a Pakistani national for assisting U.S. efforts. And now here in Washington, you have the arrest of an American citizen of Pakistani origin for his assistance [on] Pakistani efforts.

The similarities here are striking, and the fact that it comes in the midst of a crisis in the broader U.S.-Pakistan relationship will undoubtedly lead to questions in Pakistan as to whether this arrest and this case are being brought intentionally at this time to send a message to Islamabad.

How does the arrest affect broader ties and military-to-military and intelligence cooperation between the two countries?

The effect of the arrest is more likely to be incremental than it is to be significant, or a tipping point in the relationship. This is an individual who had some influence here in Washington, but by most accounts was not a significant threat. He was not a spy in the strict sense of the word--he was attempting to peddle influence, and it's not even clear how influential he ultimately was. Without downplaying the significance of his actions, or suggesting that they might not have been illegal--it simply doesn't rise to the sort of thing that would tip the scales one way or another in terms of the U.S.-Pakistan relationship. That said, the relationship is on thin ice, and this event will make the ice thinner.

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How successful was the KAC in influencing lawmakers in how they think about Kashmir?


I saw relatively limited influence. I would characterize the Kashmir American Council as one of a variety of groups that are clearly engaged in an effort to inform and influence policymakers, lawmakers, and other influential opinion-makers around town. They had a regular e-mail chain; they had a variety of conferences and events that they sponsored. But their motivations were very plain. It wasn't clear that they were being funded by the ISI, but it was clear that they had a particular bias and point of view, and anyone working on these organizations would see that as relatively transparent.

I see them as one voice in a crowded debate and would filter it accordingly. They may have been influential in raising issues, but they certainly weren't successful in shifting U.S. policy. They may have been able to raise some manner of public awareness of Kashmir, but even that was relatively limited if you take it outside of the relatively small group of U.S. officials who even focus on Kashmir in the first place.

Since the U.S. war in Afghanistan, policymakers and analysts in Washington have argued periodically that Kashmir needs to be solved for a peaceful solution to the Afghan conflict. Some have even suggested that India should make concessions on Kashmir for regional stability. Is this arrest going to bring greater scrutiny to the soundness of the logic behind such policy recommendations?

It could. There was already a fair amount of scrutiny about the soundness of those policy recommendations. The Obama administration early on came in arguing not exactly that, but something similar--that the India-Pakistan conflict was motivating a lot of the violence inside of Afghanistan and a lot of the behavior of the Pakistani government, and in order to resolve the India-Pakistan dispute, Kashmir should be on the table.

But then that line of reasoning ran into the practical and diplomatic buzz saw of the Indian government and the recognition on the part of the Obama administration that pressuring the Indians on Kashmir or on their relationship with Pakistan was likely to be counterproductive. And in [Indian] Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, the United States actually had a very strong partner, who for his own reasons and for reasons of national security and state strategy was inclined to engage with the Pakistani government on his own terms and to seek progress in that relationship. So the Obama administration moved fairly quickly away from the notion that solving Kashmir could solve Pakistan, which could solve Afghanistan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby Pratyush » 23 Jul 2011 13:49




My Reply lets see if it will be approved by the moderators of the blog.

It will be interesting to learn from the writer as to what are the real benifits that accrue to the United states by maintaining relationship with Pakistan.

The state is anti liberal, non democratic and openly supports extreamists who are killing US servicemen/ women in Afghanistan. Its activities in Afghanistan are clearly anti US. So why are the authors suggesting a continued engagement with the state of Pakistan. When that state by its actions and associations has clearly demonstrated that it is an implacable foe of the US.

Is it because the continued existance of the state of Pakistan is expected to excersise a check on India?

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Postby sum » 23 Jul 2011 14:08

In fact, the FBI in its criminal complaint against Syed Ghulam Nabi Fai refers to a human rights activist, codenamed, Mary, of being propped up by the ISI to launch an anti-India campaign before the United Nations. A woman chosen by Major General Mumtaz Ahmad Bajwa, the man who heads the ISI’s Kashmir desk.

Atleast that explains a bit about Angana Chatterji madam. I seriously doubted that a unpaid agent can have as much bile towards a nation ( and love for a evil nation) like she seemed to have towards India ( and unconditional love towards Pak that she even denies op.searchlight).

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Postby Charlie » 23 Jul 2011 14:27

sum wrote:
In fact, the FBI in its criminal complaint against Syed Ghulam Nabi Fai refers to a human rights activist, codenamed, Mary, of being propped up by the ISI to launch an anti-India campaign before the United Nations. A woman chosen by Major General Mumtaz Ahmad Bajwa, the man who heads the ISI’s Kashmir desk.

Atleast that explains a bit about Angana Chatterji madam. I seriously doubted that a unpaid agent can have as much bile towards a nation ( and love for a evil nation) like she seemed to have towards India ( and unconditional love towards Pak that she even denies op.searchlight).



Hopefully, the next stop is at Bangladesh genocide denier Prof Sarmila Bose. Her publishings in the last few years are pure ISI tactic-101. Similar to Prof Anagana Chatterjee, she is upcoming academician living in the west, a self loathing Bengali-Hindu who could use some of the dollars the ISI is throwing around.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby SSridhar » 23 Jul 2011 16:11

abhishek_sharma wrote:Another Challenge to U.S.-Pakistan Ties: Daniel Markey Interview

How successful was the KAC in influencing lawmakers in how they think about Kashmir?


I saw relatively limited influence. I would characterize the Kashmir American Council as one of a variety of groups that are clearly engaged in an effort to inform and influence policymakers, lawmakers, and other influential opinion-makers around town.

Ms. Teresita Schafer also made a similar statement that KAC had little influence on the Congress. The influence over the Congress was a lesser objective for the ISI than painting a black image of India, than peddling lies of 'gross' human rights violation in J&K, than recruiting vulnerable Indians for ISI's nefarious activities, than using Indians themselves to attack their own country on a foreign soil to influence gullible Indian minds and generally keeping India off-balance and defensive all the time. Of course, these things are not crimes per US Law.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby Aditya_V » 23 Jul 2011 16:24

SSridhar wrote:
abhishek_sharma wrote:Another Challenge to U.S.-Pakistan Ties: Daniel Markey Interview

How successful was the KAC in influencing lawmakers in how they think about Kashmir?


I saw relatively limited influence. I would characterize the Kashmir American Council as one of a variety of groups that are clearly engaged in an effort to inform and influence policymakers, lawmakers, and other influential opinion-makers around town.

Ms. Teresita Schafer also made a similar statement that KAC had little influence on the Congress. The influence over the Congress was a lesser objective for the ISI than painting a black image of India, than peddling lies of 'gross' human rights violation in J&K, than recruiting vulnerable Indians for ISI's nefarious activities, than using Indians themselves to attack their own country on a foreign soil to influence gullible Indian minds and generally keeping India off-balance and defensive all the time. Of course, these things are not crimes per US Law.


A more appropriate description would be paid traitors.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby SSridhar » 23 Jul 2011 16:35

Farhat Taj on "De-radicalisation without security paradigm shift"

Controversial Hadith literature, like the Ghazva-e-Hind hadith whose authenticity is questionable in Muslim scholarship, continues to be promoted in the dominant pro-security establishment media to perpetuate hatred.

No plans of de-radicalisation will produce any effect on the ground unless a strategic shift takes place in the country’s India-centric policy paradigm based on promoting radical religious forces inside Pakistan and exporting violent jihad to neighbouring Afghanistan and India. Unless that happens, any de-radicalisation programmes will not change the mindset of the purposely-radicalised sections of our population. In the absence of a paradigm shift, de-radicalisation programmes like the seminar in Swat will be hardly anything more than PR exercises for foreigners, several of whom participated in the seminar. I am afraid that foreign participant writers of such events might ultimately end up producing misleading literature on the de-radicalisation process. This will only add to the already existing body of misleading literature on FATA and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa produced by western authors since 9/11.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby sooraj » 23 Jul 2011 17:41

Fai was using 'Brylcreem' and '30 plus' codes for money transfers

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby Anantha » 23 Jul 2011 19:40

It should not take a rocket scientist to extrapolate the points and figure out what went on for the last 20years. Anti-Indian groups- Cashmere groups, Khalistan network, Sabrang, FOIL, Dalit Network, Angana C, Sarmila and the other Bose in the East coast, American politicians and lobbyists, leftist Indian historians, assorted a$$hloes from Indian "intellectual group" were all paid fronts/agents of the ISI. In a roundabout way American tax payers were funding these activities. Add to this potent brew Evanjihadis in the west and Saudi type Yahoos from the middle east, you know why when a non Indian opens his mouth in front of an Indian he asks about caste system, Indian oppression in Cashmere, Satee, child labour etc
Rakshaks have been trying to hose this wild forest fire with water jugs.
Indians including GOI have not realized this unique threat to the Indian civilization yet, and believe everyone else is dharmic like us. Only the lure of money making from India's rise has made some business types to soften their stand on India recently. We are long way from educating the mango Indian on the threats to our civilization.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby abhijitm » 23 Jul 2011 19:59


but their military can use the water purifier gifted by Indian BSF just across the border. ooooh the choosy beggars...

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby ramana » 23 Jul 2011 20:05

Swamyg, Can you do a network diagram with Fai as the center of the network. Please show the connections of Indian elite chatterati.

Thanks, ramana

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby KJo » 23 Jul 2011 20:36

Pak Foreign Minister. They have a penchant for putting ladies in such roles.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby chetak » 23 Jul 2011 20:44

KJoishy wrote:Pak Foreign Minister. They have a penchant for putting ladies in such roles.

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Pity.

Nobody on this side single and ready to mingle! In fact not even the teeniest of a tingle.

We will just have to parade our own ladies from the foreign office :)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby Charlie » 23 Jul 2011 20:46

Paki Connection to the Norwegian



I had a best friend between the ages of 12-17 who was a Pakistani, so I was one of the many protected, cool 'potatoes' that had protection. But this also made me see the hypocrisy up close and personal and made me nauseous.



Source: http://billionaires.forbes.com/quote/01 ... X?q=Norway


Were there Paki gangs in Norway 15 years ago?? :eek: :eek:
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby sanjeevpunj » 23 Jul 2011 20:49

The wings of Pakistan's notorious Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) are slowly being clipped by the US Justice Department, painstakingly and case by case.
The arrest of Kashmiri propagandist Ghulam Nabi Fai for acting as the frontman for Pakistan's spy agency and executor of its subversive agenda, is the latest strike from Washington against the ISI and its masters in Rawalpindi in their ongoing cold war.
But this time, the net has been cast wider and deeper. Apart from naming Fai's handlers, the FBI has openly stated that ISI's Security Directorate headed by Major General Mumtaz Ahmad Bajwa "oversees Kashmiri militant groups" and for whom Fai was tasked to prepare a briefing in Washington 2009.
Read more at http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/comment_how-us-is-clipping-isi-s-wings-case-by-case_1568642

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby JaiS » 23 Jul 2011 22:59



I tried cropping out the pics and searching with Google Image Search, nothing useful yet.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby sanjaykumar » 23 Jul 2011 23:17

'Breeding like flies', he said. Pakistanis need to be constantly reminded of this.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/07/23/the-elep ... -room.html

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby Philip » 23 Jul 2011 23:28

Why don't we do something unique in the history of diplomacy to usher in peace into the sub-continent?
Football clubs abroad exchange pennants before matches so let's swap foreign ministers. SMK for the lovely,luscious FM from Pak! I am sure that many in the cabinet would cheer for the swap,not to mention myself and I am sure a goodly part of the county.

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Postby Hiten » 23 Jul 2011 23:35

JaiS wrote:


I tried cropping out the pics and searching with Google Image Search, nothing useful yet.


must be a UK event. One on the extreme right is Baron Ahmed, a Labour Peer born in PoK
http://www.google.com/search?q=Nazir+Ah ... 20&bih=936

i think the Caucasian guy is Eric Lubbock
http://www.google.com/search?q=Eric%20L ... 20&bih=936

his stupid expression in this pic appears to match
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_wGaE3HxqG7Y/T ... G_5352.jpg

if anyone wants to read the dancing girls of Lahore by Louise Browne
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FH42FMH6

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby SwamyG » 24 Jul 2011 01:30

I am little wary about the husband-wife team of Howard and Teresita Schaffer. They seem to be always around the Kashmir issue for more than a decade now. You name a conference one of them is bound to hang around them. One of these will always write something on this issue. Experts or paid-hands? Read the 2001 SAAG essay about Agra Summit; Howard was in the 'conference'.

http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers3/paper291.html
A few important points raised in 2001, is this still true? Or have the institutions been compromised in 10 years?

Track II diplomacy has no place in the resolution of Indo-Pak conflicts. India has institutionalised mechanisms for conduct of its foreign policy and matters of national security. These cannot be by-passed like in Pakistan even by a politically popular leader.


The Indian public opinion cannot be influenced through the media elite, academia dons or the pseudo-liberals of India’s capital. Nor can it be influenced by India’s electronic media with their superficial analyses of sensitive subjects of state. United States has to note that the Indian masses, despite Western projection of poverty and illiteracy are politically conscious and sensitive. They do have strong views on India’s security, Kashmir and Pakistan. No Prime Minister of India can ever disregard this even under external pressure.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby Sudip » 24 Jul 2011 01:52

I was wondering could there be any correlation between the mumbai blasts, the visit of Hillary and Fai? GOI dont have the intention to shout wolf (pukistan) for the blasts, so they thought they would punish them in a more subtle way by teaming up with americans and revealing the details of fai, who was nevertheless under everyone's surveillance. So somewhat of a tit-for-tat. Plus many CIA officials identities were released by pukis too, so maybe hillary was more than willing to go ahead with us to get their revenge :D .....nothing wrong in coming up with CTS :D

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Postby svinayak » 24 Jul 2011 02:36

SwamyG wrote:I am little wary about the husband-wife team of Howard and Teresita Schaffer. They seem to be always around the Kashmir issue for more than a decade now. You name a conference one of them is bound to hang around them. Or write about them. One of these will always write something on this issue. Experts or paid-hands? Read the 2001 SAAG essay about Agra Summit.

They have the inside info regarding the players in the Kashmir issue and may get to info about the decision making.
They are ears and eyes of GOTUS. The issue has become complex for the GOTUS from what it was in 1960s that they are wondering how they can be useful in the situation.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby svinayak » 24 Jul 2011 02:39

Sudip wrote:I was wondering could there be any correlation between the mumbai blasts, the visit of Hillary and Fai? GOI dont have the intention to shout wolf (pukistan) for the blasts, so they thought they would punish them in a more subtle way by teaming up with americans and revealing the details of fai, who was nevertheless under everyone's surveillance. So somewhat of a tit-for-tat. Plus many CIA officials identities were released by pukis too, so maybe hillary was more than willing to go ahead with us to get their revenge :D .....nothing wrong in coming up with CTS :D

Also add the visit of Pasha to DC after the blast. US govt is looking for concessions from Pak govt after Raymnd davis, mil traniers, not of CIA visa etc. Since it did not get it it forced it by going after KAC. It was not for helping India.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby Brad Goodman » 24 Jul 2011 03:40

Deadly violence flares in Pakistan's Karachi

At least 20 people have been killed and dozens more injured in continued violence between rival groups in Pakistan's largest city, police and officials said.

The recent spate of pitched battles in the eastern neighbourhoods of Karachi, the commercial hub of the country, killed 12 people on Friday and eight more on Saturday, according to police sources.

The violence is said to be a result of clashes between armed activists of Karachi's most powerful political party, the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM), and its breakaway faction, the Mohajir Qaumi Movement-Haqiqi (MQM-H).


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Postby Brad Goodman » 24 Jul 2011 03:42

US House panel backs restrictions on Pak aid
ISLAMABAD — US House Foreign Affairs Committee approved on Friday a bill that would defund a $7.5 billion aid to Pakistan programme if signed into law, dealing a serious blow to already strained relations between the two allies.

On Thursday, the panel had rejected a far-reaching move proposed by Congressman Dana Rohrabacher, a California Republican, which sought to block all aid to Pakistan because of its alleged reluctance to combat terrorists.

According to reports received from Washington, the proposals approved by the committee bind all US aid to a certification from the US secretary of state saying that Pakistan had “made or is making measurable progress towards achieving the principal objectives” of this assistance, i.e. to combat terrorism. That it is fully assisting the US with investigating the existence of an official or unofficial support network in Pakistan for Osama bin Laden, is facilitating the issuance of entry and exit visas for official United States visitors engaged in counter-terrorism efforts and training or other cooperative programmes and projects, that Pakistan is combating the Haqqani network and taking steps to eliminate improvised explosive device networks.

Another provision requires the secretary of state to ensure that Pakistan “is using defence and defence services provided by the US … according to the end-use purposes, security requirements, and other terms and conditions agreed to by the United States at the time of transfer or by subsequent agreement.

The narrow, party-based Friday vote – 23 for and 20 against – indicated that the bill would have a hard time clearing the Democrat-dominated Senate, although it might clear the Republican-dominated House where it would go next.

All but one Republican members of the committee voted for the suggested restrictions while all 20 Democrats voted against. Congressman Ron Paul, the lone Republican dissenter, warned that the US could not afford to isolate Pakistan and that the restrictions would only fan anti-US feelings in that “sensitive region” of the world without achieving much.

The bill’s mover and the committee’s chairperson Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, however, insisted that Pakistan needed to be told that it would have to speed up the fight against terrorism or face sanctions. “It cannot be business as usual.”


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby RamaY » 24 Jul 2011 03:45

^ so much for Indian perception on democrats

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby Brad Goodman » 24 Jul 2011 03:47

this is coming from maulana aiyar

Pakistan’s ‘failure as a nation’ vindicates Azad, says Aiyar

NEW DELHI — Pakistan’s persistence in a ‘confused’ state and its ‘failure as a nation’ leaves Maulana Abul Kalam Azad a vindicated man, Indian Congress leader Mani Shankar Aiyar said here on Friday, contending the veteran freedom fighter was the only one to have rightly assessed the state of Muslims in the Indian subcontinent.

Addressing a gathering at the launch of Jamia Millia Islamia University Prof Rizwan Qaiser’s book on the Maulana, where Aiyar and Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader Jaswant Singh found themselves on the same side of the debate, the Congress MP said Azad had the genius to spot what would happen to a country like Pakistan.

Aiyar said India’s conjoined twin had not failed as a state but in emerging as a nation in the absence of a true idea of its nature.

“Pakistan is not at all a failed state but a failed nation because even after being carved out, it did not know what it consisted of, what it stood for, and could not draw a constitution for 10 years, and the Army stepped in,” he said after releasing the book ‘Resisting Colonialism and Communal Politics: Maulana Azad and Making of the Indian Nation’.

Describing Pakistan as a ‘confused nation,’ Aiyar said Azad had such a prescient view of the condition of Muslims in the subcontinent that he doubted if “such an illogically carved out nation would last for 25 years.”

“How accurate his prediction was, we came to know in 1971, just 25 years after the creation of Pakistan.

“In light of these things we need to salute Maulana for understanding the position Muslims had in the subcontinent with a prescience no other leader had. He understood the situation which (Mohammad Ali) Jinnah didn’t.

“Azad stands vindicated like no one else... his nuanced secularism could have perhaps served the subcontinent better,” Aiyar said. For once agreeing with the Congress leader, Jaswant Singh regretted the fact that despite being a great intellectual, Maulana is one of the not-sufficiently recognised personalities of India’s freedom struggle.

“He was a great intellectual steeped in the tradition of Islamic learning. His character was evident in his standing up against the movement that was sweeping undivided India,” Singh said.

Aiyar opined that 1931 Congress resolution of Karachi, which clearly stated the dissolution of feudalism as its objective, fed more into the Pakistan movement than the Muslim League’s 1940 resolution for the creation of a separate state.

“The Muslim aristocracy feared they would be deprived by the dissolution of feudalism. It is another thing that they had to leave their lands behind,” Aiyar said.

Borrowing terminology from David Cameron, Aiyar also said that in “20-20 hindsight it is absurd why Congress didn’t accept the Delhi Muslim proposals on 1927” in which Jinnah had proposed to give up demand for separate electorate if Hindus agreed to provide safeguards like reserved seats for Muslims.

Aiyar also said Pakistan and India need reconciliation to make things better for Indian Muslims. “There is a salience in Hindus about Pakistan and Muslims. It is important to achieve reconciliation between Pakistan and India to allow Indian Muslims become citizens in the true sense of the word,” he said.

Prof Qaiser, the author of the book, said his was perhaps a rare attempt to deal with Maulana’s political life in toto though he had chosen not to dwell too much on the controversial aspect of Azad blaming Nehru for the failure of the 1946 Cabinet mission plan in India Wins Freedom. —

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby devesh » 24 Jul 2011 04:05

^^^
the above post should be in some other thread. anyway, we need to be careful of this line of argument. it is a cleverly cloaked logic that puts the "right wingers'" defenses down and propagates an insidious agenda. all these arguments only lead to one thing: "see, Pakistan is such a 'confused' place, onlee. we should follow Maulana Azad's arguments." of course, the good Maulana himself was a rabid Islamist who was nostalgic for the loss of Mughal power. his (along with many others) decision to stay back had more to do with the "realpolitik" of staying back and keeping a foot in the "Hindu" camp, to ensure that independent Hindu state couldn't be found in the subcontinent.

Aiyar's agenda seeks to propagate this nonsense about Muslim theology being an integral part of India!!! I fully expect this agenda to be propagated in the coming years. as Pakistan's fall becomes clear day by day, the Islamists will embrace the new strategy, and the decadent P-secs will happily accept this new argument about "Islam is an integral part of India."

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby ranjbe » 24 Jul 2011 05:24

After Maulana Fazlur Rehman of JUI-F blast against the new nanhi Paki FM Hina Kar, now senior PPP member Sardar Asif says she is incompetent. I wonder if the Indian delegation will be trying to hide their smirks when they meet her during the next round! With fellow countrymen like these, who needs the big, bad Indian enemy?

Dubbing Hina Rabbani Khar as incompetent foreign minister, Senior PPP leader Sardar Asif Ali on Saturday disclosed that Prime Minister Syed Yousaf Raza Gilani had decided to appoint him as foreign minister, however, he said, he didn’t know why Government had to change its decision.
In an exclusive chat with Online news agency, he said, Pakistan needs a senior and experienced foreign minister to defeat India diplomatically. Shah Mehmood Qureshi was a competent foreign minister, he said, adding that, Party senior leaders were not consulted before appoint Hina Rabbani Khar as foreign minister.


http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/Politics/23-Jul-2011/Sardar-Asif-terms-Hina-Khar-as-incompetent-foreign-minister

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby Kanishka » 24 Jul 2011 07:35

Pakistan Spies on Its Diaspora, Spreading Fear
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/world/asia/24isi.html

F.B.I. agents hunting for Pakistani spies in the United States last year began tracking Mohammed Tasleem, an attaché in the Pakistani Consulate in New York and a clandestine operative of Pakistan’s military spy agency, the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence.

Mr. Tasleem, they discovered, had been posing as an F.B.I. agent to extract information from Pakistanis living in the United States and was issuing threats to keep them from speaking openly about Pakistan’s government. His activities were part of what government officials in Washington, along with a range of Pakistani journalists and scholars, say is a systematic ISI campaign to keep tabs on the Pakistani diaspora inside the United States.


Over the years, American investigators have uncovered numerous operatives spying for other countries — notably from China, Russia and Iraq. But before the Kasmiri American Council case, little had been said publicly about the ISI’s operations in the United States.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby abhishek_sharma » 24 Jul 2011 07:38

SwamyG wrote: Or have the institutions been compromised in 10 years?


'Cash for votes' is a good symptom of the problem. So much for a system of 'checks and balances'.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby Dipanker » 24 Jul 2011 07:39

^^^
Democrats are towing Obama line on this one.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby Prem » 24 Jul 2011 08:18

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2011\07\24\story_24-7-2011_pg3_4
Subservience of Pakistan’s foreign policy —Lal Mullah ( Commie Poaqi)

The Americans had already started to intervene in the policies of the Muslim League even before the departure of the British Raj. The US ambassador to Pakistan was already advising the leaders of the new state in 1947. The recent revelation of the secret correspondence between Winston Churchill and Jinnah shows the deep influence and indulgence of reactionary imperialists in policy decisions at that time. The decision of Liaquat Ali Khan to cancel his visit to the Soviet Union and instead embark on a US sojourn indicates the domination of imperialism on the rulers of Pakistan. This subservience to imperialism has continued to be the cornerstone of the foreign policy of the Pakistani ruling classes. It has more to do with economics than with anything else. The Pakistani state was bankrupt right from its inception and had to rely on imperialist booty as the wealth of the country was being plundered by the ruling classes, the state hierarchy and imperialism. Apart from a few years in the early 70s, the ruling elites have been dependent on imperialist crumbs to run the state apparatus of coercion. The other mainstay of Pakistan’s diplomacy is its relations with Saudi Arabia. But it is also a very convoluted and uneven relationship. The Pakistani elites beg for Saudi oil and money but the reactionary Saudi monarchy treats them with even more contempt as beggars. They call the shots and almost every ruler in Pakistan’s history has had a slavish attitude towards these monarchs. The Saudi rulers are frequently used by the Americans to execute their policy interests in countries like Pakistan. It is they who call the shots and influence decisions like the release of the Sharifs. They never even tried to save Bhutto from execution although it was one power the obscurantist Zia dictatorship could not have refused.
The ‘deep’ and ‘sweet relations’ with today’s China are another deception of an ‘everlasting friendship’. This is not even the China of Mao’s era where at least they had a planned economy that had a decisive impact on the character of the foreign aid given to countries like Pakistan. They now export capital for greater profits and hence have assumed an imperialist role

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby Prem » 24 Jul 2011 08:25

No ‘Chaudhry’ needed in region
( Well, Unkil have been Chodrying Poak since 47)
http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-news ... -in-region

ISLAMABAD - Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, without naming India, has made it clear that Pakistan will not accept hegemony of any state in the region as it wants to establish relations with its neighbours on equal-footing.
Responding to the media men at PM Secretariat after presiding over the 13th annual awards distribution ceremony of the national highways and the motorway police, the prime minister said: “We don’t want any ‘Chaudhry’ in the region,” adding Pakistan wanted peaceful co-existence will all its neighbours. Replying to a question about the resignations of MQM ministers, he said the resignations tendered by the Sindh governor, and provincial and federal ministers of the MQM were not accepted and their status as ministers was still intact. He said the Sindh governor had resumed his duty and hoped the MQM ministers would also return to treasury benches soon. About the arrest of Dr Ghulam Nabi Fai, head of Kashmir Center in Washington, he clarified that Dr Fai was not a Pakistani as he belonged to the Occupied Kashmir.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby negi » 24 Jul 2011 10:04

MSA as usual is blowing his secular horn; this gora bum licker is actually one of those last remnants of British raj in India .


Look at his Chootiyap@

Borrowing terminology from David Cameron, Aiyar also said that in “20-20 hindsight it is absurd why Congress didn’t accept the Delhi Muslim proposals on 1927” in which Jinnah had proposed to give up demand for separate electorate if Hindus agreed to provide safeguards like reserved seats for Muslims.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby Prem » 24 Jul 2011 10:05

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/world ... .html?_r=1
Pakistan Spies on Its Diaspora, Spreading Fear
( Massa gonna deport all of them :wink: )

WASHINGTON — F.B.I. agents hunting for Pakistani spies in the United States last year began tracking Mohammed Tasleem, an attaché in the Pakistani Consulate in New York and a clandestine operative of Pakistan’s military spy agency, the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence. Mr. Tasleem, they discovered, had been posing as an F.B.I. agent to extract information from Pakistanis living in the United States and was issuing threats to keep them from speaking openly about Pakistan’s government. His activities were part of what government officials in Washington, along with a range of Pakistani journalists and scholars, say is a systematic ISI campaign to keep tabs on the Pakistani diaspora inside the United States. The F.B.I. brought Mr. Tasleem’s activities to Leon E. Panetta, then the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, and last April, Mr. Panetta had a tense conversation with Pakistan’s spymaster, Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha. According to one American law enforcement official, the F.B.I. had originally hoped to arrest the two men working for the charity, the Kashmiri American Council, several times earlier this year but was told each time by the State Department or the C.I.A. that the arrests would only aggravate the frayed relations between the United States and Pakistan

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby Dilbu » 24 Jul 2011 11:35

The raids on eyesaeye agents may not be a direct favour to India but it is only natural that India who suffer the negative consequences of TSP-unkil all-lie-ance also stands to benefit from this fall out. where is my popcorn?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby RajeshG » 24 Jul 2011 12:00



India needed an experienced foreign minister in ministerial level dialogue between Pakistan and India, he said, adding that, India would have Physiological lead against Pakistan in the dialogue just because of experienced foreign minister.


bole to.. :shock:

Krishnaji budhau thodaa experience denoko bol riyaa boss..

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Postby Kanishka » 24 Jul 2011 12:04

Prem wrote:No ‘Chaudhry’ needed in region
( Well, Unkil have been Chodrying Poak since 47)
http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-news ... -in-region


Neither is the existence of Pakistan necessary for the region and the world.


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