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Key policy recommendations to achieve US goals in Pakistan and South Asia:
*Resist calls to cut military aid. Instead, use it to encourage the creation of a pro-democracy culture in the Pakistani army. The army has ruled Pakistan directly for 34 of it
The Pakistani military enjoys subsidized health care, generous land grants and some of the best working conditions in the country. This gives it a powerful incentive to retain its pre-eminent place in Pakistan. Sensitizing the officer corps--presumably patriotic Pakistanis with their own country's best interests at heart--improves the odds of the army agreeing to accept the principle of civilian supremacy as have most other armies around the world.
With Indians like these, who needs enemies!
Although Dhume's views above are a little unusual, his background is right-wing (AEI is a conservative think tank, and Dhume has written extensively for the Wall Street Journal), and he has been villified by the Indian left as being anti-Islamic, see below: http://madhabirfy.blogspot.com/2008/05/ ... pipes.html
Key policy recommendations to achieve US goals in Pakistan and South Asia:
*Resist calls to cut military aid. Instead, use it to encourage the creation of a pro-democracy culture in the Pakistani army. The army has ruled Pakistan directly for 34 of it
The Pakistani military enjoys subsidized health care, generous land grants and some of the best working conditions in the country. This gives it a powerful incentive to retain its pre-eminent place in Pakistan. Sensitizing the officer corps--presumably patriotic Pakistanis with their own country's best interests at heart--improves the odds of the army agreeing to accept the principle of civilian supremacy as have most other armies around the world.
With Indians like these, who needs enemies!
Is it Dhume's contention that in the last 64 years nobody in Pakistan has attempted to 'sensitize' (whatever that means) the PA officer corps ? Nobody else can do that 'sanitization' stuff; only Pakistanis have to do that. Why has that not been done ? Probably, there lies the answer.
The PA cannot be compared with any other army of any other normal nation-state. For starters, Pakistan is not normal and then it is not a nation-state as that term is generally understood. For another, PA does not only defend the geographical borders of Pakistan, but they are the proud 'Defenders of Islam'. How can such an army be expected to suffer under a civilian oversight ?
The likes of Dhume should wait for some more time. The distinction between civilian and military will disappear in Pakistan when pure-bred Islamists take over that blighted country. Islamism will then permeate everything making such demands of civilian control redundant.
And, he testified like this before the US House Committee on Foreign Affairs ?
Altair wrote:There is a curious logic in some south block types that US presence in Pakistan would deter Chinese expansion into South Asia(Read Kashmir). May be he belongs to these group of fools.
Altair, but that has not happened. The PLA is present in significant numbers not only in Balawaristan but also along the LoC.
Altair wrote:There is a curious logic in some south block types that US presence in Pakistan would deter Chinese expansion into South Asia(Read Kashmir). May be he belongs to these group of fools.
Altair, but that has not happened. The PLA is present in significant numbers not only in Balawaristan but also along the LoC.
Exactly, that is why I refer them as fools. In fact, those significant numbers have been increasing for the past 2 years. No one seems to be bothered and it really baffles me. If femme fatale is here to deliver a message to normalize ties with India by dropping K word, we should be even more worried as it would mean that PLA has completely taken control of the north Kashmir theater of operations.
Lets not get our shoe laces in a knot while we follow Hai Na Khara's travails through India. She is an average looking woman. No Femme Fatale! All Pakeezahs are average. They are average by definition!
RajeshA wrote:Lets not get our shoe laces in a knot while we follow Hai Na Khara's travails through India. She is an average looking woman. No Femme Fatale! All Pakeezahs are average. They are average by definition!
I agree.
They are doing the best with what they have. She looks lost and alone.
Aunty has been chosen after a lot of political baggage has been sorted politically in paki land.
She will last a short while pending some portly punjabi paki slotting in and taking his rightful place.
All this public handshaking with strange yindoo mard cannot be doing her image any good in the land of the pure.
Shah Mahmood Qureshi must be rubbing his hands in glee.
Some fundoo paki moron may just decide to strap on a soosai vest and set matters right.
RajeshA wrote:Lets not get our shoe laces in a knot while we follow Hai Na Khara's travails through India. She is an average looking woman. No Femme Fatale! All Pakeezahs are average. They are average by definition!
comonn!! let us atleast be honest for once. She has seductive looks enough to turn heads
Definition of FEMME FATALE by Websters
1: a seductive woman who lures men into dangerous or compromising situations
2: a woman who attracts men by an aura of charm and mystery
RajeshA wrote:Lets not get our shoe laces in a knot while we follow Hai Na Khara's travails through India. She is an average looking woman. No Femme Fatale! All Pakeezahs are average. They are average by definition!
comonn!! let us atleast be honest for once. She has seductive looks enough to turn heads
Nope! She is a Pakistani woman, and hence of average beauty! Pakistani men are of course downright ugly!
She can lure Indian men into compromising and dangerous situations only if the Indian men think that she is some sort of "Femme Fatale"!
She has average charm and zero mystery. BRFites know the building blocks of Pakistanis. No mystery at all.
Allow me a slight digression. My standards have fallen over the decades. As a young man - only the rarest beauties would turn my head. As I grew older - anything female of reproductive age would be described by me as "good looking". But I digress. Pakistanis are past masters at using good looks in lieu of sense. There are enough people who fall for that trick. The older the viewer the faster he falls. Indian civilization has always placed brain over beauty. The USA often uses beauty over brain - but has tweaked its system to pick up beauties with brains where necessary. Clinton was a deliciously sexy man for the wimmens - and great charmer. India has no system of picking looks over brains, but Indians need to work against their own culture. In India it is not seen as right for a successful carreer woman in her 40s or 50s to work seriously on her sexiness. In fact ordinary mothers/fathers of children in their 20s do not want to "compete" in sexiness with the younger generation and end up creating the unsexy leaders of India.
As long as we don't think that a sexy leaders from some other country should get concessions or points for sexiness - all will be well except for the negative publicity of our unsexy bores.
shiv wrote:s long as we don't think that a sexy leaders from some other country should get concessions or points for sexiness - all will be well except for the negative publicity of our unsexy bores.
All our FMs should have six-pack abs like these and always show them in any meetings with Paki FMs
Guys, no need of analyzing Sadanad Dhume's nonsense and taking it seriously. As I told you guys a while ago, he is an SDRE trying to rise up in DC, like many other SDRE Uncle Toms, and to this end, his views are his master's views and all that he is, is a useful idiot. What he is basically saying reflects DC thinking at large, in particular, the institution he works for. No need to attach any more importance to this.
But on the larger picture, what a pathetic feeling as I read Indian newspapers with headlines like Krishna talks peace with Pak's gorgeous Hina Rabbani. What kind of demented elites rule India when TSP is waging war and India is consumed by Hina's looks? I give up.
NEW DELHI: A statement by Air Chief Marshal P V Naik that Indian response to a possible Pakistani nuclear attack would be "very heavy" doesn't seem to have gone down well with defence minister A K Antony.
Sources said the minister was "not amused" over the remarks made by the IAF chief, who is retiring on July 31, at a time when the two countries are holding foreign minister -level talks. In the backdrop of this development, Naik met the defence minister in his South Block office today.
The defence minister had himself refused to answer queries yesterday related to Pakistan's role in context of the Kargil war saying that he did not want to "vitiate the atmosphere" at such a time.
Khurran Walid, an attorney retained by the Fai family, went so far as to compare Fai to Nelson Mandela, raising snickers among a large media contingent. Glossing over specific charges in the FBI affidavit, including the money trail from Pakistan, the Fai brigade said the activist's arrest was part of a larger political conspiracy by the U.S to corner Pakistan and undermine the Kashmir issue.
One supporter, who gave his name as Sardar Zubair Khan from Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, warned that Fai's incarceration would not be good for the region because he had taken the movement towards a non-violent path , implicitly suggesting that hard-line militants would gain ascendancy if Fai is sidelined. Others invoked the possible role of India's intelligence agency RAW in Fai's arrest.
Indeed, U.S legal and law-enforcement personnel appeared to have little time for the region's political wrangles. Judge John Anderson cut into a rambling political disquisition by Walid, curtly telling him ''It'd better be less than a minute,'' when the counsel sought one more minute to establish its salience. The prosecution side sought to focus attention on the specific charges of Fai being an unregistered foreign agent who funneled in money from ISI while the defense went into the political background.
The cynosure of all eyes in the courtroom and outside was Fai's wife Chang Ning Ying Q {tallel than mountain kanspiracy?}, a federal government worker who made no secret of her support for her husband's work. She made a brief speech in the corridors of the court building thanking his supporters for coming, inviting them for dinner, and asking them to pray to god for "justice" to the people of Kashmir.
"Durable harmony and resolution of all core issue through peaceful parleys is pre-requisite for stability and economic growth in the region," SCCI's Pakistan chapter chief and trade leaderIftikhar Ali Malik said in a statement here.
A_Gupta wrote:Any comments on the accuracy of Ejaz Haider's
Pakistan’s Taliban policy — in conjunction with the US — was formulated and implemented under a civilian prime minister and the ISI was opposed to it (in fact, until the Taliban captured Kabul in ’96, former DG-ISI Lt-Gen Hamid Gul (retd) would constantly refer to them as American stooges).
It is true that it was Benazir's government (Naseerullah Babar to be precise) that initially brought up the idea of backing Taliban. ISI initially opposed it because it would mean undermining Hekmatyar but later came on board. I'm not sure of the exact dynamics on why they ditched Hekmatyar but the Saudi backing for Taliban might have a lot to do with it. Saudis had their own reason for ditching Hekmatyar after he turned against them ideologically during the Gulf War. But once ISI was convinced about Taliban, Benazir quickly lost control of the whole thing.
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Hina Rabbani Khar, Pakistan's new foreign minister, secured a diplomatic breakthrough in New Delhi after sweeping India off its feet and into a "new era" of trade and co-operation in the war on terrorism.
This is the level of public discourse in shooper pover India-maybe they deserve their misery.
When I see this gory spectacle, I cannot help but agree with ISI/CIA analysis of Indian elites, namely, you kick them, they will lick you, you lick them, they will kick you. A.k.a. cowards. As much of a Chanakyan spin some would like to put on this as India shoiwng restraint despite 26/11 and 13/7, India showing statesmanship bla bla, the fact is that Indis is doing this from a position of abject weakness, in other words glorified surrender. TSP has been true to its dictum, it said come to the negotiating table and talk Kashmir and terror will resolve itself. And thats exactly what India has embarked upon. You don't see India going ga ga and genuflecting before say other weak countries, say Bangladeshi elites or Africa elites, do you? What this shows is that TSP terror and nuke blackmail has won the day and India has caved in. Emerging superpower, my bloody foot.
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on the other hand, paquis come to india, get chai biskoot and glowing gushes (or whatever) and still go home with empty begging bowl... that has to cause some takleef no?
"Durable harmony and resolution of all core issue through peaceful parleys is pre-requisite for stability and economic growth in the region," SCCI's Pakistan chapter chief and trade leaderIftikhar Ali Malik said in a statement here.
Really after more than 20 years of great growth in India does Pakistan still believe that keeping the fires burning in Kashmir or by staging acts like 26/11, it can derail India's growth story? The peak of Kashmir insurgency was in the 1990s. We grew at an average rate of 6% in 1990s.
As shiv and others have noted, now is the not the time to give the TSPA a chance to pick up a fight. So fawning over "The Ass" (as her name in Persian means) it not a cave-in.
Massa TFTAs tactics have put her solvency at risk. Compared to that what is the cost which India has paid for handling the rabid dog?
So take a chill pill.
While they were fawning over "The Ass" outgoing IAF chief also issued a stern reminder that any use of nukes by TSPA will result in a disproportionate response. The carrot and stick continues.
Lalmohan wrote:on the other hand, paquis come to india, get chai biskoot and glowing gushes (or whatever) and still go home with empty begging bowl... that has to cause some takleef no?
"I do plan to make India my second home. But I am not applying for an Indian passport
Such terrorist activities should not go unnoticed. They can happen anywhere in the world," she says and adds, "India is also my country and people here love me. Moreover, this is where I make money."
The best solution is to give enough chai and biskoot to 'The Ass' so she becomes obese and ugly.
And once we make all pakis ugly and obese, then all of them will die one day. That would be sweet revenge for India, killing all pakis by old age. Then we can continue with our dhimmi-orgy with next generation of pakis.
Why defaming Chanakya for such a "Persian ass" strategy?
Christopher Sidor wrote:
"Durable harmony and resolution of all core issue through peaceful parleys is pre-requisite for stability and economic growth in the region," SCCI's Pakistan chapter chief and trade leaderIftikhar Ali Malik said in a statement here.
Really after more than 20 years of great growth in India does Pakistan still believe that keeping the fires burning in Kashmir or by staging acts like 26/11, it can derail India's growth story? The peak of Kashmir insurgency was in the 1990s. We grew at an average rate of 6% in 1990s.
It never occurred to them since their job was to take the money from Uncle and light the fire in India. They had no reason to think about the economic growth since it was guaranteed by grants.
Fai brigade says Kashmir will burn if he is sidelined
The cynosure of all eyes in the courtroom and outside was Fai's wife Chang Ning Ying Q {tallel than mountain kanspiracy?}, a federal government worker who made no secret of her support for her husband's work. She made a brief speech in the corridors of the court building thanking his supporters for coming, inviting them for dinner, and asking them to pray to god for "justice" to the people of Kashmir.
Someone needs to ask Mrs Fai whether she has any comments to make on the injustices inflicted on the people of Tibet, East Turkestan, Inner Mongolia, Taiwan not to speak about the atrocities on Muslim Hui's at the hands of her fellow Hans.
As shiv and others have noted, now is the not the time to give the TSPA a chance to pick up a fight. So fawning over "The Ass" (as her name in Persian means) it not a cave-in.
Massa TFTAs tactics have put her solvency at risk. Compared to that what is the cost which India has paid for handling the rabid dog?
So take a chill pill.
While they were fawning over "The Ass" outgoing IAF chief also issued a stern reminder that any use of nukes by TSPA will result in a disproportionate response. The carrot and stick continues.
Get some chai-biskoot and enjoy.
Give me a break. It is a cave in. Chanakyan spin has its limits. What about "small" issues such as 26/11? We just forget about and admire Hina's sexy hips and charming smile? As for IAF chief's comments, I'll believe it when India even musters the courage to pin prick TSP to its terror provacations (a tiny fraction of the baravado shown against Baba Ramdev). Talk his cheap. I don't blame him through, its the ruling elite cabal that I have a gripe with.
Lalmohan wrote:on the other hand, paquis come to india, get chai biskoot and glowing gushes (or whatever) and still go home with empty begging bowl... that has to cause some takleef no?
Yes it does. Look at the big picture. TSP has terorized India, waged an act of war on 26/11, and thumbed its nose since. India said nothing doing till terror comes to an end. But TSP gets invited, gets fawning respect. Not bad for a start don't you think? They are getting to talk Kashmir which has been their demand. And TSP is not stupid. What they want is not an instant Kashmir trophy, they know that won't happen. They want India to discuss Kashmir, with US nod in the background, along with "Kashmiri people", not to mention assortment of WKKs, RNI etc, and they know as they continue to chip away, India will be hard pressed to resist going down the path of concessions. Chief among them is withdrawl of troops from the valley and "borders are irrelevant" so they can flood the valley with pigLeTs. Thats why I call this a slow-motion surrender. Don't you see it that way? Tell me what has India gained except a temporary respite from pigLeTs and even that was shattered on 13/7.
Just curious, but are there any pictures of the Fai's Chinese wife? Most likely a westernized Chinese somewhat like Rupert Murdoch's Chinese wife. I was surprised to hear that. Given that Fai is a typical RAPE in the TFTA PakiJabi mould, and his acess to the high and mighty in DC, and with all the moolah in his pocket, I would have expected him to be corting some blonde.
Lalmohan wrote:on the other hand, paquis come to india, get chai biskoot and glowing gushes (or whatever) and still go home with empty begging bowl... that has to cause some takleef no?
Yes it does. Look at the big picture. TSP has terorized India, waged an act of war on 26/11, and thumbed its nose since. India said nothing doing till terror comes to an end. But TSP gets invited, gets fawning respect. Not bad for a start don't you think? They are getting to talk Kashmir which has been their demand. And TSP is not stupid. What they want is not an instant Kashmir trophy, they know that won't happen. They want India to discuss Kashmir, with US nod in the background, along with "Kashmiri people", not to mention assortment of WKKs, RNI etc, and they know as they continue to chip away, India will be hard pressed to resist going down the path of concessions. Chief among them is withdrawl of troops from the valley and "borders are irrelevant" so they can flood the valley with pigLeTs. Thats why I call this a slow-motion surrender. Don't you see it that way? Tell me what has India gained except a temporary respite from pigLeTs and even that was shattered on 13/7.
As long as we keep turning the PigLeTs crossing the LOC into fertilizer we should be ok and we have been doing that diligently.
This has been a big demoralizing factor for the the Paki jehadi PigLeTs as well as the TSPA.
Dipanker wrote:
As long as we keep turning the PigLeTs crossing the LOC into fertilizer we should be ok and we have been doing that diligently.
This has been a big demoralizing factor for the the Paki jehadi PigLeTs as well as the TSPA.
Dipanker wrote:
As long as we keep turning the PigLeTs crossing the LOC into fertilizer we should be ok and we have been doing that diligently.
This has been a big demoralizing factor for the the Paki jehadi PigLeTs as well as the TSPA.
When you pay the price without getting anything in return (unless you see the paki-fertilizer as some useful stuff), it is called jijya in Islamic terms. And the person who pays that jijya is called dhimmi.
Here is Hajam Sethi's latest (26th Jul) Apas ki Baat episode part 2 where he talks about Fai (watch 9min 10sec onwards) -
He says that Fai was apprehended as an Unkil doing ungli gesture coz Pak disclosed 2 CIA station chief names and they had to leave Pakland. Hajam also says that Fai is Indo-US citizen so it shudn't cause khujli in Paki musharraf's and Fai wasn't even towing the Paki agenda and he dropped the "self determination for Kashmiri's" line coz during Musharraf's time when Kiyani was ISI chief, "self determination" was taken of the table during back channel diplomacy talks with India.
Hajam didn't spill any juicy bits this time.
Instead, use it to encourage the creation of a pro-democracy culture in the Pakistani army. The army has ruled Pakistan directly for 34 of it
raising snickers among a large media contingent. Glossing over specific charges in the FBI affidavit, including the money trail from Pakistan, the Fai brigade said the activist's arrest was part of a larger political conspiracy by the U.S to corner Pakistan and undermine the Kashmir issue.
