Indian Army: News & Discussion

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 08 Feb 2012 09:07

ramana wrote:What if DOBgate is a scam to get AKA out of the PM race?

Maana ki AKA follows orders and will go with the script. Very clear the issue got muddled in the MS branch record which doesn't reconcile with actuality. He might have went with the advice given by the civilian apparatus. Now he is being pilloried for being the face that stares down the military! If SC goes with the natural justice that would mean he has to resign. However he did do a lot of good for the services: he kept the MRCA choice in the IAF loop, he supported retention of AFSPA in J&K, by pointing out the issue is within Army HQ he ensured VKS can clean up so future officers wont get sand bagged.
2G scam has shot down PC's ambition.

Hope DOBgate doesnt fix AKA.

very few good people left in INC.

Antony himself has said that he didnt look at the complaint himself, and it was examined by officials and the AG.

Agree with Ramana that his political clout ensured that despite the desperate attempts of MHA to involve the army and IAF in anti naxal ops, that didnt happen.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Feb 2012 09:17

Virupaksha, In Telugu, "Tellanivi anni pallu kavu" All that are white are not milk.

Could be wheels within wheels.

Lets not rush to judgment.

Let the courts decide.

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 08 Feb 2012 09:36

^^

+1. Sadly, the courts will probably not go into the reasons for this unseemly episode, which should also have come out.

Nikhil T · Post by **Nikhil T** » 08 Feb 2012 10:03

ramana wrote:What if DOBgate is a scam to get AKA out of the PM race?

Maana ki AKA follows orders and will go with the script. Very clear the issue got muddled in the MS branch record which doesn't reconcile with actuality. He might have went with the advice given by the civilian apparatus. Now he is being pilloried for being the face that stares down the military! If SC goes with the natural justice that would mean he has to resign. However he did do a lot of good for the services: he kept the MRCA choice in the IAF loop, he supported retention of AFSPA in J&K, by pointing out the issue is within Army HQ he ensured VKS can clean up so future officers wont get sand bagged.
2G scam has shot down PC's ambition.

Hope DOBgate doesnt fix AKA.

very few good people left in INC.

Rumors are AKA is Sonia's choice for President, after the current one demits office in June.

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Nikhil T wrote:Why Pranab won't shift out of 13 Talkatora Road

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Feb 2012 10:51

Bad people might back good people. That doesn't mean good people are bad.
Having said that Mrs Patil is a very good President. She knows what it means to be C-i-C.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 08 Feb 2012 11:53

I mentioned last year,may moons ago that the medicant of snake-oil was looking at a promotion upstairs for loyally warming the hot seat for the clown prince! It may yet come to pass.A short term for Pranab-as reward for longevity might be stomached too,but I have my doubts about AKA as PM,as he is too "southie" in style for the post of PM and too valuable to be elevated to Pres. this early in his career.There are many dark horses and asses in the Congress' stables,waiting in the wings to walk the catwalk!

Since we're discussing the IA,can we without any prejudice to each general,list out the contenders to succeed Gen.VKS and their best attributes if known?

Jaybhatt · Post by **Jaybhatt** » 08 Feb 2012 12:12

Attorney General Goolam Vahanvati, who played a highly controversial and key role in the DOB controversy of the Army Chief, is in the news again.

TEHELKA, which is generally on the same side as the current ruling apparatus, has done a detailed report on the questionable record of the AG in the 2G affair.

This is very interesting, since it consolidates a lot of information in one place.

http://www.tehelka.com/story_main51.asp ... rstory.asp

P.S. Made a blunder yesterday by pressing the wrong button and posting this as a new topic. Forum Moderator graciously told me that I should post it here, so that my fellow BR members can have an insight into the background of the Chief's DOB controversy.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 08 Feb 2012 22:45

^^

Following the report’s observations, Prashant Bhushan’s NGO Centre for Public Interest Litigation filed an intervention application on 8 July 2011 seeking a thorough probe into Vahanvati’s alleged role in the scam.

While appearing before the special CBI court 20 days later, Raja made the sensational claim that all decisions related to new 2G licences were approved by Vahanvati. “He (Vahanvati) has become the AG from SG … and I am in jail for following his advice. Is this justice?” Raja had shouted in court. But the CBI argued that Raja was an accused and thus his arguments had no legitimacy.

VAHANVATI’S OPINION
I have seen the notes. The issue regarding new LoIs are not before any court. What is proposed is fair and reasonable. The press release makes for transperancy. This seems to be in order

kunalverma · Post by **kunalverma** » 08 Feb 2012 23:23

It looks like we've really become a nation of lawyers, splitting hairs over non-issues. So often in all the nit picking we forget the core of the problem. The accused becomes the accuser and everything gets lost in a meaningless maze.

kunalverma · Post by **kunalverma** » 08 Feb 2012 23:41

BTW, there is one major point in the DOB issue which you guys need to know. The result of the Board from Major General to Lieutenant General was declassified on 15 April 2006. So VK had made the grade based on his DOB being 1951.
The letter from the MS, Lt Gen Richard Khare to VKS, which raised the 'discrephency' was issued on 3 May 2006.
I think in this, even the VKS camp have got it wrong, for the impression given is that Khare raised the issue prior to VKS becoming a Lt General. VKS may not have put on his rank, but he had been cleared, hence the confusion. This will have severe implications on the case, especially on the so called 'Acceptance Letters' for at both the Corps Commander and Army Commander appointments, the only issue is 'residual service'.
Guess I'm sounding like a lawyer now!

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 08 Feb 2012 23:54

kunalverma wrote:BTW, there is one major point in the DOB issue which you guys need to know. The result of the Board from Major General to Lieutenant General was declassified on 15 April 2006. So VK had made the grade based on his DOB being 1951.
The letter from the MS, Lt Gen Richard Khare to VKS, which raised the 'discrephency' was issued on 3 May 2006.
I think in this, even the VKS camp have got it wrong, for the impression given is that Khare raised the issue prior to VKS becoming a Lt General. VKS may not have put on his rank, but he had been cleared, hence the confusion. This will have severe implications on the case, especially on the so called 'Acceptance Letters' for at both the Corps Commander and Army Commander appointments, the only issue is 'residual service'.
Guess I'm sounding like a lawyer now!

I think Letter from MS Lt Gen Nair made it clear that VKS got all promotions up to Lt Gen rank with 1951 DOB. Info posted in previous posts here. As for residual service, he would have adeuqate residual service with Minimum 2 years required and he supposedly made grade even with 1950.
Now the information given by you ( any link?) that he was promoted on 15t Apli 2006 to Lt Gen with 1951 DOB and May 6 2006 when thus issue was raised is explosive. Someone in AHQ or MOD must have realised late that vks would pip someone important hence raising the stink.
I hope these are reflected in vks affidavit. MODs goose is surely cooked.

And since matter is in SC, its no crime to sound like Lawyer which us better than being a liar.

nelson · Post by **nelson** » 09 Feb 2012 00:35

May be funny for some, eerily similar for others, but this is true...

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... gal-battle

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 09 Feb 2012 01:26

new round of fire from the Katoch gun

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?279866

Is there anyone still carrying water for dear old Unnithan???

Immediately thereafter, we had a leading national magazine's cover showcasing the photograph of General V.K. Singh captioned as “Self Before Service” and a slanderous article within. I had questioned in these columns then as to which country in the world would do such thing to its own serving Army Chief especially when the official line described him ‘outstanding’. The magazine then came up with another article titled “Lies of the General” insulting General V.K. Singh.

. Hence, it was extremely difficult to believe one’s ears listening to the debate on the age row issue between 8.30 pm and 9.00 pm on 3rd February 2012 on CNN-IBN when an ex diplomat revealed that the series of trashy articles in the Chandigarh paper had been authorized by the PM. If this was a slip of tongue then it was one hell of a slip, but the moot point is that when this was referred to in the same debate by another speaker, the ex diplomat made no move to change his statement. If it is true, then this would surely go down as another landmark in the history of ‘Incredible India’— PMO covertly authorizing a diatribe against the country’s own Army Chief concurrent to the law minister lauding him as ‘outstanding’, as the official government line. Do we see the transition completed from a ‘vibrant democracy’ to a ‘stinking democracy’?

nelson · Post by **nelson** » 09 Feb 2012 02:05

Quote from above article

Conspiracy it surely is and that too an intricate one. In fact, uncovering the conspiracy has become far more important than overturning ‘alteration of date of birth of General V.K. Singh by the ministry of defence’. If two Army Chief’s (J.J. Singh and Deepak Kapoor) did not take the advice of their respective Adjutant Generals (authority within army for date of birth), what were the pressures to act so illegally?

This is an intriguing question and the answer to this will hold the key to the entire scam. Yes, to me it is no longer a "...Row". As Gen Katoch suggests in the article, it is a conspiracy which in turn is at the root of the Scam.

All along I have been maintaining that the then Chiefs would have done or not done anything but for the consideration of post-retirement sinecures from the political masters. I never thought that they themselves could have been under duress?!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Feb 2012 02:07

Was MMS trying a civilian coup in India just as his interlocutors in TSP with memogate?

Why would he do that?

Surya, who are the lady columinst and the two veterans with skeletons in their closets?

Regional paper is Chandigrah Tribune paper
National weekly is India Toady!

nelson · Post by **nelson** » 09 Feb 2012 02:10

^^Another issue within that question, which would only be answered during the proceedings of the case in SC, is the indiscretion of then Chiefs in not taking the their Adjutant Generals along. Either they were not asked at all or they did not budge?

nelson · Post by **nelson** » 09 Feb 2012 02:15

The reasons for the PM, to do what he intends to, could be manifold. It could be as simple as what Kunalverma has told us - a promise to his lady. May be he has something in store - a la Lahore?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 09 Feb 2012 03:21

Surya wrote:new round of fire from the Katoch gun

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?279866
[
. Hence, it was extremely difficult to believe one’s ears listening to the debate on the age row issue between 8.30 pm and 9.00 pm on 3rd February 2012 on CNN-IBN when an ex diplomat revealed that the series of trashy articles in the Chandigarh paper had been authorized by the PM. If this was a slip of tongue then it was one hell of a slip, but the moot point is that when this was referred to in the same debate by another speaker, the ex diplomat made no move to change his statement. If it is true, then this would surely go down as another landmark in the history of ‘Incredible India’— PMO covertly authorizing a diatribe against the country’s own Army Chief concurrent to the law minister lauding him as ‘outstanding’, as the official government line. Do we see the transition completed from a ‘vibrant democracy’ to a ‘stinking democracy’?

About four , five years ago , BRF discussed the issue of politicians undermining the national security institutions. Those apprehensions are coming true now . This is the last stage before loosing control on Foreign policy and beginning of Philipinization of India and not Japan or Korea.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 09 Feb 2012 06:38

Guwahati For 26 yrs, India overlooks squatter China

The Chinese army occupied a strategically important slice of Indian territory in Arunachal Pradesh in 1986 and has remained entrenched in the area since then as successive governments in Delhi have denied the army permission to evict the intruders for what are being quoted as “pragmatic”
reasons.

In late 1986, the Chinese army crossed the McMahon Line — the de facto boundary between India and China — and occupied a strategically critical 28 sq km area in the Wangdung region of Sumdorong Chu Valley, 68 km northeast of Tawang town, a senior army officer told HT on condition of anonymity as he is not authorised to speak to the media.

The Indian Army used to vacate the area during the harsh winter and return every summer.

This occupied territory, though small, is strategically important as it can, in the event of hostilities, provide the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) a launch pad for a thrust into Tawang and the Brahmaputra valley beyond. Beijing claims Tawang is a part of China.

“We could have easily ejected the Chinese soldiers, but were restrained by the government from doing so,” the officer said, adding: “This stance is demoralising the army.”

A senior official at army headquarters in Delhi confirmed that the PLA is, indeed, in illegal occupation of Indian territory but added that it didn’t matter as “the Indian Army holds the heights around the area”.

He added: “We’re being pragmatic as we don't want to escalate tensions.”

In an operation that bears startling similarities with Pakistan’s Kargil misadventure 12 years later, the PLA occupied the post and the surrounding area during winter of 1986, when it was unoccupied.

The PLA refused to leave when Special Services Bureau personnel, who manned the post, returned the following summer.

The PLA has, meanwhile, fortified the area and even built a helipad to fly in supplies.

Arunachal West MP Takam Sanjoy recently said the Chinese had penetrated deeper into Indian territory in the Tawang sector, but HT could not independently confirm this.

“We had met the Prime Minister and defence minister to apprise them of the fresh incursions a few weeks ago,” he said.

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 09 Feb 2012 09:55

Dont forget, MMS is himself an ex bureaucrat. Maybe his fraternal loyalties go deep enough to want to humiliate the military.

nelson · Post by **nelson** » 09 Feb 2012 10:03

ramana wrote:....
Surya, who are the lady columinst and the two veterans with skeletons in their closets?

Regional paper is Chandigrah Tribune paper
National weekly is India Toady!

The lady columnist is Shobha De.

The veterans with skeletons in their cupboard are
Lt Gen retd P N Hoon in citibank fraud case. You could have seen them in channels defending the govt stand in Army Chief Age Scam.

Edit : Sorry. i apologise for not ascertaining the facts.
nelson

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Feb 2012 10:11

What does Shoba De know about military? She is a soft p@@n writer! I guess she fits in with those MLAs.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 09 Feb 2012 10:17

^^^There was a stupid article in TOI from her...the usual nonsense.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 09 Feb 2012 10:30

Jhujar wrote:
Surya wrote:new round of fire from the Katoch gun

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?279866

About four , five years ago , BRF discussed the issue of politicians undermining the national security institutions. Those apprehensions are coming true now . This is the last stage before loosing control on Foreign policy and beginning of Philipinization of India and not Japan or Korea.

Indeed saar.

We told you so, as usual being ahead of the curve is not really nice for those who are getting their mushraffs jabbed by the old political classes.

But like the Galileo's we shall preserve against the Church and its agents.

wilson_th · Post by **wilson_th** » 09 Feb 2012 10:59

The Chinese army occupied a strategically important slice of Indian territory in Arunachal Pradesh in 1986 and has remained entrenched in the area since then as successive governments in Delhi have denied the army permission to evict the intruders for what are being quoted as “pragmatic”reasons.

In late 1986, the Chinese army crossed the McMahon Line — the de facto boundary between India and China — and occupied a strategically critical 28 sq km area in the Wangdung region of Sumdorong Chu Valley, 68 km northeast of Tawang town, a senior army officer told HT on condition of anonymity as he is not authorised to speak to the media.

The Indian Army used to vacate the area during the harsh winter and return every summer.

This occupied territory, though small, is strategically important as it can, in the event of hostilities, provide the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) a launch pad for a thrust into Tawang and the Brahmaputra valley beyond. Beijing claims Tawang is a part of China.

what a *Pragmatic* approach !!!! ..... no wonder Pakistan dared Kargil .,.. they learnt it from their friends.

Jaybhatt · Post by **Jaybhatt** » 09 Feb 2012 11:38

Nelson : thanks for the URL on the Madras High Court case pertaining to the FCI watchman / messenger.

Did Vahanvati mian also appear for the Govt. / Food Corporation of India (FCI) in this case ? Jesting, of course.

However, it's a symptom of the deep-rooted malaise in the bureaucracy / government to wage
unethical and immoral legal battles (at the taxpayers' expense, of course) to protect their egos.

Of course, as far as the case of the COAS is concerned, there are much more sinister factors at work.

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 09 Feb 2012 13:45

COAS case is not simply a matter of the bureaucracy. Babus are making hay while the sun shines in this case, but it is not of their doing.

Jaybhatt · Post by **Jaybhatt** » 09 Feb 2012 14:12

ASPuar :

"COAS case is not simply a matter of the bureaucracy. Babus are making hay while the sun shines in this case, but it is not of their doing"

Surely, you are not implying that the babus are not doing more than "making hay .....". It would be very naive to think that they are not deeply involved - whether at the bidding of their masters or because of their own agenda or (as it certainly is the case) a combination of both factors.

Jaybhatt · Post by **Jaybhatt** » 09 Feb 2012 14:46

More power to the good General Katoch's pen. The gallant soldier writes straight from his heart, while, simultaneously, using his cerebral powers fully.

Nelson :

"The veterans with skeletons in their cupboard are Lt Gen retd P N Hoon in citibank fraud case and Maj Gen retd M S Chadha in delhi gymkhana club case. You could have seen them in channels defending the govt stand in Army Chief Age Scam."

While you are correct that one of the references was to Lt. Gen.(Retd.) Hoon, it is also possible that General Katoch was referring to Air Marshal P.S (Pudding) Ahluwalia (in the context of the Delhi Gymkhana Club elections).

Some BR members would also have seen Major-General (Retd.) Ashok Mehta sermonising on the idiot box about ethics and morality in the VKS case. Many people in the Army are fully aware that Mehta was court martialled and dismissed from service for contravening the rules of "officer-like conduct".

nelson · Post by **nelson** » 09 Feb 2012 14:57

A factual and balanced representation of the case thus far...

http://www.frontline.in/stories/20120224290313000.htm

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 09 Feb 2012 14:58

I wonder why Gen. Sundarji would have backed out? He was one hell of a fighter and he surely would have taken on the govt in evicting the Chinese. I am actually surprised he din't. Our acquisition of heavy lift choppers at that time could be partly linked to this?

sunnydee · Post by **sunnydee** » 09 Feb 2012 15:08

Yogi_G wrote:I wonder why Gen. Sundarji would have backed out? He was one hell of a fighter and he surely would have taken on the govt in evicting the Chinese. I am actually surprised he din't. Our acquisition of heavy lift choppers at that time could be partly linked to this?

Could be because military action is an extension of politics. And i guess no one wanted to get hoards of chinese running at Indian Machine Gun Posts at that time...when the better option was to use diplomacy to temper down things....iirc cbm's became common place in the indo-china jargon only after the late 80's...as such whatever action in a way had the desired effect...

nelson · Post by **nelson** » 09 Feb 2012 15:10

Jaybhatt wrote:More power to the good General Katoch's pen. The gallant soldier writes straight from his heart, while, simultaneously, using his cerebral powers fully.....
While you are correct that one of the references was to Lt. Gen.(Retd.) Hoon, it is also possible that General Katoch was referring to Air Marshal P.S (Pudding) Ahluwalia (in the context of the Delhi Gymkhana Club elections)....

I have corrected my post accordingly. Please correct yours.

kunalverma · Post by **kunalverma** » 09 Feb 2012 15:27

Jaybhatt wrote: While you are correct that one of the references was to Lt. Gen.(Retd.) Hoon, it is also possible that General Katoch was referring to Air Marshal P.S (Pudding) Ahluwalia (in the context of the Delhi Gymkhana Club elections).

Some BR members would also have seen Major-General (Retd.) Ashok Mehta sermonising on the idiot box about ethics and morality in the VKS case. Many people in the Army are fully aware that Mehta was court martialled and dismissed from service for contravening the rules of "officer-like conduct".

BINGO! You are dead right.
Had a drink with Gen Katoch day before. He was Chief of Staff to HS Panag in Northern Command when Gen Deepak Kapoor came under severe fire. If you remember, Panag was replaced by Lt Gen Bhardwaj who had been Katoch's 2 ic in 1 Para. Katoch promptly proceeded on leave.
It's time retired officers stood up and were counted. There's no point griping in private and then going on TV talking of how great civil-military relations are, or pontificating away about going to court!
I personally think, with due apologies to Gen Shankar Prasad, VKS standing up for his rights is the best thing that could have happened to the Army. The outcome will also decide if we want our younger officers who are watching the drama unfold to emulate JJ Singh and Deepak Kapoor, or the likes of VKS. Contrary to what Shobha De may think, I'll go with VKS any day!

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 09 Feb 2012 16:33

Yogi_G wrote:I wonder why Gen. Sundarji would have backed out? He was one hell of a fighter and he surely would have taken on the govt in evicting the Chinese. I am actually surprised he din't. Our acquisition of heavy lift choppers at that time could be partly linked to this?

Not him but the politicians. Read here:
http://www.india-today.com/itoday/22021999/obit.html
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... rajan.html

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 09 Feb 2012 17:13

Received by email.

Interesting what if analysis......

Would be very interesting to do another similar analysis with the present dramatis personae

‘J.N. Chaudhri and Sam Manekshaw were brilliant generals who successfully
led the Army in the 1965 and 1971 wars respectively. They had established
personal equations with the then Prime Ministers, working directly with
them during the wars. In my own case, after commanding the Western Army, I
was posted to Delhi as Vice-Chief and officially told to understudy the
Chief as I would be taking over from him shortly on his retirement. I was
suddenly told one day that the government had decided to supersede me and
appoint Gen Vaidya as the Chief. I resigned. There was a furore in
Parliament and in the press. Venkatraman, the then defence minister, told
the press, “Both Gen Sinha and Gen Vaidya are good generals but the
government has chosen to appoint Gen Vaidya as Chief.”’
Unquote

Supposing Gen Sinha had not been superseded. In that case the following
scenario might well have emerged....
1. Lt Gen Sinha would have become COAS.
2. Lt Gen Vaidya would have retired and gone home.
3. Gen Sinha, being a firm and strong man, would not have
acceded to Indira Gandhi's wishes to attack the Golden Temple.
4. He might have carried out a surround and siege and hold
operation without entering the holy precincts.
5. He would have been able to expose the unholy acts of the
terrorists and also a large number of Pakistanis reportedly helping them
inside the Golden Temple.
6. A very large section of Sikh population would not have been
alienated.
7. Gen Vaidya would not have been assassinated.
8. Indira Gandhi would not have been assassinated.
9. October 1984 and its unfortunate aftermath would not have
happened.
10. An immature and inexperienced young man would not have
inherited the gaddi.
11. IPKF would not have been despatched to Sri Lanka. They would
not have fought and killed many Tamils.
12. Rajiv Gandhi would not have been assassinated in angry
retaliation by LTTE.
13. Bofors scandal would not have taken place and its perpetrators
would not have been emboldened to go in for even bigger scams today.
14. Sikhs would not have come under increasing Paki sway in Canada
etc. They would not be visiting Lahore, etc in organised ‘jathas’ and be
shown camps where Sikh terrorists are being trained and asked for donations for the 'good cause'.

One action can result in so many. During *ab initio* pilot training in
Bidar, we were taught about effects of controls and further effects of
controls.
One wishes that politicians too receive some formal training on effects and
further effects. Look at the unholy mess they’ve created in the case of the
present COAS.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 09 Feb 2012 17:28

One point I would like to disagree with of the
If" post above,is that of "no" Indian military involvement in Lanka.There were unconfirmed rumours of some sort of Indian military involvement during Mrs.G's tenure,after the riots of '83 and when no political movement was apparent in the island on promised regional autonomy.Whether it was Mrs.G or Rajiv G at the helm of affairs,India would've got militarily involved,given the obstnacy of the Lanka govt. and its efforts to pres for a military solution at that time.Mrs.G would've handled the poltical end far better than Rajiv ,who had to depend upon MEA flunkeys who had their own interests at heart.Their flawed advice saw him letting JRJ and successor Premadasa off the hook.

schowdhuri · Post by **schowdhuri** » 09 Feb 2012 17:59

Jaybhatt wrote:Some BR members would also have seen Major-General (Retd.) Ashok Mehta sermonising on the idiot box about ethics and morality in the VKS case. Many people in the Army are fully aware that Mehta was court martialled and dismissed from service for contravening the rules of "officer-like conduct".

I don't think this is correct - If I remember correctly, he was asked to leave quietly and immediately. In fact, around that time, several generals were asked to resign immediately, because of similar activities. The COAS at that time had gone on a cleanup mission (don't remember if it was Gen Sharma or Gen Rodrigues).

Jaybhatt · Post by **Jaybhatt** » 09 Feb 2012 20:10

I really don't want the thread to meander its way to discussing the peccadilioes of some unimportant people.

However, the critical issue is that these people have adopted a high moral ground against VKS, whose integrity and ethical standards are exemplary. It must be pointed out unequivocally that they are in no position to do so.

schowdhury :

".......he was asked to leave quietly and immediately. In fact, around that time, several generals were asked to resign immediately, because of similar activities. "

You are basically concurring in what I said - Mehta was forced to leave the Army under a cloud. Furthermore, many Army officers are fully aware of the nature of the man's misconduct. Whether other officers, guilty of similar misconduct, were also asked to leave ar around the same time as him is not relevant at all.

For people like Mehta to pontificate on the conduct of the COAS is not kosher at all.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 09 Feb 2012 20:23

nelson wrote:May be funny for some, eerily similar for others, but this is true...

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... gal-battle

Now, Justice Vinod K Sharma has directed the FCI to reinstate Ethirajulu in service immediately, by treating May 12, 1952 as his date of birth.The'retired' employeewill also get all the consequential benefits,thejudgesaid.

However, in 1996, he was directed by the FCI bosses to produce documentary proof in support of his date of birth. Only then he realized that his year of birth has been alteredto1951in office records.

TheFCItoldthecourtthatthere was no unilateral alteration of the date and that as per the service record,thedateof birthof Ethirajulu was May 12, 1951. It also blamed the watchman for delay in taking up the issue with the authorities. .

looks like all those born in the month of May face this issue. /smiley/