Bingo.kancha wrote:No Vik,
That is because the forces no longer use the .303. That had no grip to hold it by the side of the body.
Look at the Delhi Police contingent. They still use these for the parade and carry it on their shoulders because there's just no way they can carry it by their side.
That explains why IG superseded him with Gen Vaidya.aditp wrote:He strongly advised against it.rajrang wrote: quote="aditp"
Agreed Lt Gen Sinha is indeed a great man. He rendered sane advice to IG that she ignored and the rest is history. end-quote
What was the sane advice that IG ignored - was it something to do with Operation Bluestar?
My respects.kunalverma wrote:Lt Gen RS Dayal's passing away in Chandigarh on the 29th coincided with the Beating of the Retreat in Delhi. Known for his spirited attack and capture of Haji Pir in 1965,
An etremely warm and caring person, he will always be remembered as one of the great personalities in the Indian Army who left his stamp on this country's history. My deepest condolences to his family and also to the Para and Rajput fraternity.
Well , he is clear in his blame. It is directed to two predecessors and no to Army itself."Absolutely, it is within the Army. After 36 years, you suddenly decide to come up with an issue. There is something wrong with it," the Army Chief told reporters.
I hope that this really works out."Problems should have been sorted out. There was a problem of coordination between the two branches. I had said earlier also that steps have been taken to ensure that such things will never recur in future," he added.
The branch which dealt with the service records in the ministry has been given full authority in these matters, he said.
I love this reply of his. MOD sends letter bypassing him and normal channel of communication and that too when matter is sub judice . Babus won't touch a matter in this manner if SC is seized of the matter.This shows the enormous pressure they face and are afraid that SC would pass stinking strictures. They know that their case is zilch and COAS is going to win hands down.On the issue of the letter by defence ministry, he said, "There is no rift (with defence ministry)... There is a normal procedure. Letter is sent and it is studied. Everything takes its time. It is not that letter comes and with the press of a button everything is done." Gen Singh was asked why the Adjutant General's (AG) branch of the Army was yet to respond to the January 23 letter of the defence ministry, directing it to change the date of birth record from May 10, 1951 to May 10, 1950.
nelson wrote:Now brace yourself for this and more.
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/forme ... herstories
Well that goes to prove that Babus and netas alone don't have copyright on corruption.Army officers are not above it. afterall, everyone is selected from the Society that we have.The Army believes that a network of officers colluded to profit from underhand arrangement.
This would be yet another of our "I told you so" statements, if it comes to pass.chaanakya wrote: They should figure out how to work with COAS till 2013, and fast.
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1120201/j ... 077591.jspIn a peculiar turn of events today, defence minister has blamed the Indian Army and army chief Gen. V.K. Singh has also blamed his army for stirring the row over his age.
The case, Gen. Singh vs the Union of India, is slated to be heard by the Supreme Court this Friday.
“It’s been 36 years but the government was not in picture. It was only known to the army. In 2006, the army noticed two dates of birth, then it went to the level of army chief (Gen. J.J. Singh, now retired and the governor of Arunachal Pradesh). The government of that day took a decision and recommended it to the army. Where is the civil-military controversy? In 2008 it was another army chief (Gen. Deepak Kapoor, now retired) and then the recommendation was sent to the government and the government accepted that,” A.K. Antony said.
Commenting on the defence minister’s observation, Gen. Singh admitted: “Yes, it is a problem in the army... he is right”. He added: “Problems should have been sorted out. There was a problem of co-ordination between two branches. I had said earlier also that steps have been taken to ensure that such things will never recur in future.”
It was pathetic to watch our white washed cricket team in Australia sending very young members to face the media, but did the Ministry of Defence ( MoD) have to follow suit?
Media is abuzz with MoD ordering the Adjutant General to change the date of Gen V.K. Singh to 10 May 1950, through an undated letter signed by a Deputy Secretary level officer— KL Nandwani. It is not known how long Nandwani has been in MoD but he obviously has absolutely no idea of what are the charter and authority of various branches of Army Headquarters. Had he educated himself, he would have known that Adjutant General’s Branch is the sole authority for service records and he should have directed this note to Military Secretary Branch to reconcile the age of Gen V.K. Singh with the Adjutant General.
Nandwani should also know what the laws of India concerning date of birth are and that a flourish of a deputy secretary’s pen cannot wipe off 42 years of records of age of Gen V.K. Singh in his Service Records including of NDA and IMA, casualty of birth published by 14 Rajput (his Father’s unit), grant of commission to him by the President of India, service identity card issued on commissioning, all promotion boards including elevation to Army Chief based on 10 May 1951, all decorations awarded to the officer by President of India based on 10 May 1951, and the like.
Does Nandwani hallucinate he actually has such dictatorial powers— similar to the fellow who hallucinated in 2006 that Indian Army is his personal fiefdom and decided who should be Army Chief in 2012. Surely Nandwani should know that even the Defence Minister or the Defence Secretary cannot write to the Personal Branch of the ministry / government to reduce or increase the age of Nandvani just because they like or do not like the colour of his eyes. Changes in date of birth in Service Records cannot be changed in this manner. This is not child’s play.
Is Katoch a gunnery officer? His barbs hit like Emden!similar to the fellow who hallucinated in 2006 that Indian Army is his personal fiefdom and decided who should be Army Chief in 2012.
And more. I don't wonder why Army is getting such negative publicity, with channel repeatedly telecasting the incident, just to stoke something.nelson wrote:Now brace yourself for this and more.
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/forme ... herstories
No, sir he is from Para Cdo. Got severely injured during the assault on Akal Takht and also escaped an assassination bid while he was in hospital. He has faced death itself and hence, is unafraid of anything else.ramana wrote:
Is Katoch a gunnery officer? His barbs hit like Emden!
A New Year Eve case, Police of Park Street Police station detained some drunk jawans for molesting new year revelers. The news went like Army personnels came and asked for release when the police didn't listen they ransacked the station and took the jawans away. The OC of the police station apparently fled when he sensed trouble. Don't know what happened after that.schowdhuri wrote:A similar incident happened in Kolkata a few yers back. The Bengali media was quick to blast the army, and police officers off all ranks including (I think) the Commisioner came on TV to say how bad the army was and how they would sort out the ary people.
Then the story went old, so it was never reported how later investigations showed the police to be at fault. So, for all the general public, the army remains at fault in the incident.
I won't be too surprised if something similar happens. Also, more and more I see that might is right principle is the one that works in this country (notwithstanding the high profile court cases). No doubt the army people are also seeing that.
Turned out to be a fake story by the Police. The police story also mentioned how the army officers misbehaved inside Park Hotel, but the opposite eidence was given by Park Hotel staff. Years of CPM rule have turned the force into an extortion gang - nothing more.salman_qu wrote:A New Year Eve case, Police of Park Street Police station detained some drunk jawans for molesting new year revelers. The news went like Army personnels came and asked for release when the police didn't listen they ransacked the station and took the jawans away. The OC of the police station apparently fled when he sensed trouble. Don't know what happened after that.schowdhuri wrote:A similar incident happened in Kolkata a few yers back. The Bengali media was quick to blast the army, and police officers off all ranks including (I think) the Commisioner came on TV to say how bad the army was and how they would sort out the ary people.
Then the story went old, so it was never reported how later investigations showed the police to be at fault. So, for all the general public, the army remains at fault in the incident.
I won't be too surprised if something similar happens. Also, more and more I see that might is right principle is the one that works in this country (notwithstanding the high profile court cases). No doubt the army people are also seeing that.
My dad was there. Knew him. Same place type, you see.Raja Bose wrote:No, sir he is from Para Cdo. Got severely injured during the assault on Akal Takht and also escaped an assassination bid while he was in hospital. He has faced death itself and hence, is unafraid of anything else.ramana wrote:
Is Katoch a gunnery officer? His barbs hit like Emden!
This was MH Jallandhar.Here is a associated video: http://ibnlive.in.com/news/pune-army-ja ... 001-3.htmladityadange wrote:From Indian Express: Army personnel beat up cops, mediamen and civilians
This is bad.
nelson, to me, the above seems like a routine statement expected to released by HQ. There is nothing against the men by HQ in the report. It is just the PRO releasing comments on behalf of Southern Command HQ.nelson wrote:^^^ In the name of discipline and security, this country is demonising the soldiers. At our own peril.
And the senior officers instead of suggesting a prompt and detailed inquiry is ready to punish the 'guilty' already.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... 850217.ece
Ravishankar wrote:Indian Army preparing for limited conflict with China: US intel chief
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 710850.cms
"The Indian Army believes a major Sino-Indian conflict is not imminent, but the Indian military is strengthening its forces in preparation to fight a limited conflict along the disputed border, and is working to balance Chinese power projection in the Indian Ocean," he said.
India, Clapper said, has expressed support for a strong US military posture in East Asia and US engagement in Asia. He said China in 2011 appeared to temper the assertive behavior that characterised its foreign policy the year before, but the internal and external drivers of that behavior persist.
YOs will be YOs. The commandant will defend them in public, but it will be "pitthoo parade" or "balli drill" for themadityadange wrote:From Indian Express: Army personnel beat up cops, mediamen and civilians
This is bad.
We were there too -5 Mall Road - my father was Brig Adam in Jallandhar at that time. I was at the time with India Today and covered Blue Star.rohitvats wrote:
My dad was there. Knew him. Same place type, you see.
The truth comes out. Disgruntled Police Constable misbehaved with gazetted and commissioned officers, and hauled them off to the Police Station. And then they called media to create ruckus. Fraud country, fraud police, fraud citizenry. We will all get our just desserts soon enough.Army orders inquiry into Pune clash
PTI | Feb 1, 2012, 02.51PM IST
NEW DELHI: Army has ordered a court of inquiry to probe an incident in Pune where the local police alleged its constables were assaulted by a group of soldiers after caught driving into a no-entry area.
"College of Military Engineering (CME) has ordered a court of inquiry (CoI) headed by a Colonel. After investigation appropriate action will be taken," Army officials said here on Wednesday.
The incident took place after two young officers entered a bridge, which was not meant for two wheelers. They were stopped at the other end of the bridge by a constable and told to pay a fine, they said.
"As the officers were paying the fine, another constable reached the spot and mentioned that he was harassed in the Army area for not wearing a helmet and now he will sort them (two young officers) out, leading to a confrontation between them," officials claimed.
The two officers were then taken to the police station. However, according to the local police, the trouble started when an Army person attached to the CME, riding a motorbike, was stopped by a traffic constable at Sambhaji Bridge for running into a no-entry area.
They then returned with his friends and allegedly assaulted the policemen at the nearby outpost, police said, adding they also broke the cameras of mediapersons who had rushed to the spot.
Deputy commissioner of police Sanjay Jadhav said the CME jawans had allegedly abused and assaulted police constables and action was being taken against the culprits.
Nothing will happen. The same thing happened in Calcutta where they thrashed the officer where he was not at fault. And that battalion had just returned from Siachen. So much for respect.ASPuar wrote:The truth comes out. Disgruntled Police Constable misbehaved with gazetted and commissioned officers, and hauled them off to the Police Station. And then they called media to create ruckus. Fraud country, fraud police, fraud citizenry. We will all get our just desserts soon enough.
If Southern Army Commander has any circular objects between his legs, he will call the CM to complain about the behaviour of his police!