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Agni-V team wanted to go ahead, but telemetry stations at Integrated Test Range (ITR) decided to hold off till tomorrow. Consensus reached.
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http://www.imd.gov.in/section/satmet/img/globe-wv.jpg

Weather is murky where it is supposed to drop down well past the Andamans perhaps.
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IMHO whole thing was on purpose.. it ll be tested suddenly when khan and chipanda are sleeping..
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Lungi remains deployed..

(dramatic stare into the empty sky)
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This whole drama-op was to bait some panda submarine for Chakra? damn! they got me going for a while.
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Altair wrote:This whole drama-op was to bait some panda submarine for Chakra? damn! they got me going for a while.
:D :D :D
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They are not lying when they mentioned lightning as a reason for postponement. The depressed trajectory splash down is where the activity is very likely.
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Looks like a catch me if you can type of game being played by India :D

DRDO`s LRTR might have tracked an unusually large number of sats in the LEO right on top of their head snooping downwards wasting their life in Orbit.
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And they called-off the launch teasing unkil and chipandaa
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if they had not made so many announcements, no one would have been looking to start with
call it a regular test & get on with it

Whats the probability of the the RV falling on top of a spy submarine & sinking it :rotfl:
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I think we have an aptitude to convert organic coherent events to hyped story lines.
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SaiK wrote:I think we have an aptitude to convert organic coherent events to hyped story lines.
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So the range decided cant get adequate telemetry during the lightning storm. Good call. Otherwise all those patch antennas are wasted as they are useful during ascent phase.

Bade thanks for the weather image. See the blue dots in the area south of Bay of Bengal.

BTW the cartoon/graphic guys are having field day with A5 graphics!
Everyone has their own version despite the Hindu articles! Also shows that some linear thinkers are advising them on the graphics. The vented interstages are copies of the A3. So all these were drawn long time ago.

Eg. Reuters version from an US think tank aka chatterati:

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vina, If you put your aero hat on you will see the RV has five segments. I think the back section is quite light as it houses the fuel tank and electronics packages. See the cable race way bump from the aft of the RV onwards running along the entire length of the bird.
Most likely the front end is dense to move the CG forward for better control.
This one is BGRV to deliver heavy payload accurately with evasion.

I think the FRR and LAB meetings were special to handle the pre-launch issues of weather. The original boards must have met atleast a week to ten days earlier.
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So now we know what is K_PD.

Seems like DRDO top guns are not going to test till they are absolutely on top of the situation in every conceivable manner. No snooping, no raining, only seeing. That too in Delhi Doordarshan feed else if somebody has a problem there then they can loft a Jasoosi Upgraha 200 kilometers above the Island for say 10-15 minutes.

A local channel is reporting that DRDO has an extended launch window with them right uptill 24th. We may not see the test even tomorrow morning (IST) if Indra Dev remains this much in his elements. Can the guys on Kathas, Epics etc thread suggest some Rig Vedic hymn to please Indra Dev.
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Don't have to hymn to please him.. he will respond soon after he has cleaned up the ocean with fresh sprinkles. He will give you the right signals soon.
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NATO Says India Poses No Missile Threat
NATO does not consider India as a missile threat despite the country’s advanced missile development program, NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said on Wednesday.

India is all set up to test its domestically-developed Agni-5 ballistic missile with a range of 5,000 kilometers (3,100 miles), giving it the ability to target most parts of Asia, including the northernmost parts of China, and large parts of Europe.

The three-stage solid-fuel missile will be launched from a site on Wheeler Island in the Bay of Bengal and is expected to reach its target area in southern Indian Ocean.

A successful test of the Agni-5 missile will put India in the elite club of nations having Inter-Continental Ballistic Missiles (ICBM), which includes the United States, Russia, China, Britain and France.

Speaking at a news conference at NATO headquarters in Brussels, Rasmussen said the Alliance does not consider India as a threat to NATO allies and territory.

He also said the upcoming Chicago summit would declare NATO’s interim missile defense capability as part of the so-called Smart Defense strategy.
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Not sure any country would feel India as a threat.. the topic of discussion does not arise at all from history, behavior and context (NFU).

No country in the world is a threatened nation like India [from china, pakistan, nk, bd, and some others]. It is for India's own security we are doing this.. we have to establish a role play here, and it is important that we mature as responsible nation to correct the world order.

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I guess getting these TLC statements from NATO is why we keep stressing the 5500km range (using depressed path and a 2t payload :mrgreen:)
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gakakkad wrote:IMHO whole thing was on purpose.. it ll be tested suddenly when khan and chipanda are sleeping..
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Dharma R wrote:Looks like a catch me if you can type of game being played by India :D

DRDO`s LRTR might have tracked an unusually large number of sats in the LEO right on top of their head snooping downwards wasting their life in Orbit.
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And they called-off the launch teasing unkil and chipandaa
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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So its supposed to be launched Thursday morning. 7:30-8:30 am.

Hope we can get the news late night PST!
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http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/news ... wsid=17904
eWow! for ndtv..

I like the way pallava bhargava spoke.

excellent presentation.. of the facts
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Nightwatch report

4/17/2012
India: The Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO) plans the first test launch of India's most powerful and longest range ballistic missile, the Agni V, on 18 April from the Wheeler Island test range in eastern India.

According to Indian press, if the launch is successful, the Agni V will fly 5,000 km, 2,000 km more than any Indian missile has ever flown. The trajectory involves a powered vertical flight to 500 km in the atmosphere before following a ballistic trajectory that will end in splash down in the Indian Ocean beyond Indonesia.


The press report stated that the Agni V would put most of China's major cities, including Beijing and Shanghai, within Indian missile range. Vijay Kumar Saraswat, DRDO Chief and Scientific Adviser to the Union Defence Minister, said, "In terms of performance, Agni V is the ultimate step for India in terms of ballistic missile technology. It is pushing at the outer limits of the Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile (IRBM) class."

Comment: Indian ballistic missile development has advanced on two paths. One path is to deliver nuclear warheads to Pakistan with short range missiles that are now fielded in the Indian Army. The other is to threaten Chinese cities. The best Indian strategists consider the Pakistan threat a sub-set of the Chinese threat because of China's equipping of the Pakistan Army, Navy and missile forces.

The second Sino-Indian conflict is still in the future, but both states are preparing for it. India is preparing to fight a three-front conflict involving China and two proxies, essentially alone.

India: The Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO) plans the first test launch of India's most powerful and longest range ballistic missile, the Agni V, on 18 April from the Wheeler Island test range in eastern India.

According to Indian press, if the launch is successful, the Agni V will fly 5,000 km, 2,000 km more than any Indian missile has ever flown. The trajectory involves a powered vertical flight to 500 km in the atmosphere before following a ballistic trajectory that will end in splash down in the Indian Ocean beyond Indonesia.

The press report stated that the Agni V would put most of China's major cities, including Beijing and Shanghai, within Indian missile range. Vijay Kumar Saraswat, DRDO Chief and Scientific Adviser to the Union Defence Minister, said, "In terms of performance, Agni V is the ultimate step for India in terms of ballistic missile technology. It is pushing at the outer limits of the Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile (IRBM) class."

Comment: Indian ballistic missile development has advanced on two paths. One path is to deliver nuclear warheads to Pakistan with short range missiles that are now fielded in the Indian Army. The other is to threaten Chinese cities. The best Indian strategists consider the Pakistan threat a sub-set of the Chinese threat because of China's equipping of the Pakistan Army, Navy and missile forces.


The second Sino-Indian conflict is still in the future, but both states are preparing for it. India is preparing to fight a three-front conflict involving China and two proxies, :?: essentially alone.

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beedi?
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About 3 more hours to launch window right now.
The much-awaited launch of India's longest-range ballistic missile, Agni-V, which was scheduled to take place from Wheeler Island on Wednesday night, was postponed to Thursday morning because of lightning and thunderstorm.

The first developmental trial was originally scheduled between 8 and 8.30 pm on Wednesday. But charged clouds, persistent lightning and thunder forced the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) to reschedule the launch between 7.30 am and 8.30 am on Thursday.
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ramana wrote:
Eg. Reuters version from an US think tank aka chatterati:

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What good is a Agni if ti cannot reach Downunder? :shock:
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^^
What is the urgent necessity that it should reach down under?
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2 questions:

a) Is A5's payload 1.5 tonnes or 1.1 tonne? I thought it was 1.5 but TSS says its 1.1

b) When we say a payload of say 1.5T, does it include the weight of the MIRV bus (if an MIRV configuration is used)?

The way I understand it, a 3 stage A5 in an MIRV mode is essentially 4 stages, with the 4th stage being the bus (that is contained within the 3rd stage) with a small motor with propellant, used for deploying the multiple RVs and decoys
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SaiK wrote:beedi?
Nice. I have always wanted to own property along the sea front in the Chittagong tracts. (The other is the Horn of Africa.)

If Chicom, so much as twitches a muscle, India should take over the Tracts.
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partha wrote:^^
What is the urgent necessity that it should reach down under?
Ah.

From an era when Yapan and Downunder were pain in the rear.

Now that Chicom has turned colors they seem to cozy up with India!!!! So, just need to ensure they do not change color in the middle of A game.

Matter of trust.

I would need to hear from Japan and Australia that it is not cool to attack India. That AP is an integral part of India, ..........
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NRao wrote:
partha wrote:^^
What is the urgent necessity that it should reach down under?
Ah.

From an era when Yapan and Downunder were pain in the rear.

Now that Chicom has turned colors they seem to cozy up with India!!!! So, just need to ensure they do not change color in the middle of A game.

Matter of trust.

I would need to hear from Japan and Australia that it is not cool to attack India.
This logic can be extended to "What good is Agni if it can't reach US" since US too was once a pain in the rear. What are our current threats? Cheena and proxies. Agni covers them. Once we cover immediate threats, we can think of imagined threats.
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Once we cover immediate threats,
A contained China is in the interest of everyone.

A destroyed China is in interest on NO one - US, Japan and Australia included.

So, in the event of an aggression from China, India would be under pressure not to destroy China, which is the sole intent of an Agni 5 - there is NO other intent.

Under those circumstances it is extremely important that India does not cave into ANY external pressure. That job has to be done.

The threat to Japan and Australia cannot be discounted by others.

AND, China cannot use such countries to blunt Indian decisions.
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ramana wrote:vina, If you put your aero hat on you will see the RV has five segments. I think the back section is quite light as it houses the fuel tank and electronics packages. See the cable race way bump from the aft of the RV onwards running along the entire length of the bird.
Most likely the front end is dense to move the CG forward for better control.
This one is BGRV to deliver heavy payload accurately with evasion.

I think the FRR and LAB meetings were special to handle the pre-launch issues of weather. The original boards must have met atleast a week to ten days earlier.
Ramana-ji: are there any MIRV vehicles, which have a conical shroud? Since Saraswat & Avinash Chander are specifically talking about MIRV capability, I am assuming that they wouldnt completely redesign the RV shaping. I.e. they must have figured out a way to keep the conical shroud and pack 3-10 MIRVs within.

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Partha - our external messaging is simple - our platforms are "capability centric", not "country centric". Like Yoga & meditation, the answers are within. So, there is no such thing as an imagined threat
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I am doubtful that it will be launched today...the weather in Washington is pretty bad!
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Then which missile was that with the blue colored RV posted earlier in this dhaaga. :?: :-?
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kasthuri wrote:I am doubtful that it will be launched today...the weather in Washington is pretty bad!
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