arthuro wrote:With all due respect, I could return the argument about "jingoism" regarding the Tejas.
You cant because unlike you I am not behaving like a know it all comparing both aircraft on speculative data which is not even specific about any clear details and quotes an unsourced "officer".
If I were to behave as as you did, then yeah I would be jingoistic. Your initial post speaks for itself, no need to paint yourself lily white now, it won't fly.
I probably know more than you think although I admit I am not a die hard expert of this program like many on this respectable board.
No, you probably don't know much at all about the program and nor are you in the least bothered about doing basic research, because if you had, you would spend some time on fuel carried, powerplant, performance achieved & quickly realize that the LCA compares welll with its peers & second, you would not have made the silly comment about 30 years either vs the Rafale, given the LCA was entirely meant to be a light fighter.
But simply by taking a bird's eye view you can quickly and safely see that there are quite some delusion regarding this program. First of all, except for a few isolated articles, we cannot say that the Tejas program has ever been considered as a credible alternative to MRCA except on Indian forums (note that MRCA goes beyond the rafale). Actually I was amazed that the Tejas program was not even pert of the IAF priority list which tells everything. I found that the article I quoted illustrated the limitation of the Tejas program some refused to acknowledge.
I am constantly amazed by the number of assumptions you make about an AF you don't know much about, about posters whose arguments you dont understand & then the manner in which you dismiss their points as something they refuse to acknowledge, based on a dubious article which you rush to post.
Did the IAF call you and tell you that the LCA is not part of their priority list as versus some media reports of unsourced provenance?
Do you even understand that the bulk of the Tejas funding is under a different head than the IAFs and comes under MOD & hence the IAF only has to worry about acquisition costs which will anyways be budgeted for, given its importance? That the program is fully funded already for MK-2? That 99 engines for MK-2 hence have been contracted for? Basically, you don't even get how the local procurement is set up, yet you make the claim "not in the IAFs priority list" based on some graphic you would have seen.
Next, if the Rafale is too expensive for the current Indian govt, it makes sense for them to hedge using alternatives. Revert to a high low mix using more Sukhois and more LCAs. Quite like other AFs instead of going high-medium-light by weight class as the IAF originally wanted.
And that stuff about Indian forums? Oh please, as if the French forums are full of decorum and unemotional rationale. Rafale vs F-22 enough said.
I really say this without anger, without passion and with full respect of the effort done on the Tejas Program...As an external observer I note that for dozen of pages many talk about the Tejas or the F35 as possible alternative to the MRCA. But for different reasons it clearly appears that it won't happen. Pointing this immediately makes me a naughty jingoistic rafale supporter.
Naah, none of that makes you a jingoistic Rafale supporter, what does make you one is your record of trying to run down other programs while bragging up the Rafale and in the immediate case, the manner in which you rushed to make an unsourced, unverified claim about the LCA while gleefully claiming that it was all that was achieved in 30 years.
Congratulations, you are now the equivalent of the Americans who rush to youtube to gleefully post about how the F-22 is better each time a Rafale crashes (US has stealth, lol all France could do in 30 years was "This") and the Brits who take pride in pointing out no Rafale has been exported till date and it has "only 800 radar modules" (same logic like yours, using similar sources).
Your over reaction is a mirror to your own jingoism.
Nice...silly edits again and again to your posts to get the last word in... twice around. Good job.
No actually, I am not overreacting. I am just pointing out the amazing amount of arrogance you display in making all sorts of unverified claims and stereotypical assertions which actually hold true for you & your ilk as well (the rabid Rafale fan club, Arthuro, Fonk/Sampaix et al) and the manner in which you loudly yack up your aircraft while decrying all others.
If you had the actual information to make your argument properly, you would point to the Rafales capabilities which stands on their own merit & bring out USPs. Unfortunately, you don't know much about other programs either to make that sort of comparison so you just run them down and yell "buy French".