Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012
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^^^Two mountain divisions have already been raised in the NE and are part of III and IV Corps...so, this ~30K accretion in numbers is in addition to the strength of proposed Mountain Strike Corps. Hope this helps.
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Adarsh scam: Ex-army chiefs called to depose
Did Antony not know that Tejinder and others had a flat in Adarsh?
Is this Hooda the same whose son/relative is supposed to be close to Chidambram's son?
What a group!
Have their flats been taken back?The panel is slated to question Lt Gen (Retd) G S Sihota, who formerly headed the Southern Command, on July 9. He will be followed the next day by the former vice-chief of Army staff, Lt Gen (Retd) Shantanu Choudhary. Gen (Retd) Vij and Gen (Retd) Kapoor will depose on July 11 and a day after will be the turn of two former general officers commanding of Maharashtra, Gujarat and Goa region, Lt Gen (Retd) Tejinder Singh and Maj Gen (Retd) R K Hooda. All these army bigwigs were allotted flats in Adarsh, though, once a controversy erupted, a few promised to return them.
Did Antony not know that Tejinder and others had a flat in Adarsh?
Is this Hooda the same whose son/relative is supposed to be close to Chidambram's son?
What a group!
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^^ Is it the same (in) famous Teja of Tat ra fame?
Lt. Gen Hooda was seen defending Govt on various TV Channels in Age Row.
Gen Kamphor was the one who planned the Line of succession.
All beneficiary of Ideal Housing
Lt. Gen Hooda was seen defending Govt on various TV Channels in Age Row.
Gen Kamphor was the one who planned the Line of succession.
All beneficiary of Ideal Housing
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Was going through an article in Indiandefencereview by former Deputy Chief of Army Staff Lt Gen Harwant Singh about the Kargil war. It was a really disheartening read and paints a really sad and grim picture of the Ops. Posting the article here, if someone could shed more light on it. A bit long but worth a read -
http://www.indiandefencereview.com/news ... r-defence/
Hope things have changed now for the better!!!
http://www.indiandefencereview.com/news ... r-defence/
Hope things have changed now for the better!!!
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It seems Sainik school Kunjpura was the incubator for a big portion of this incestuous group which managed to lodge itself the Indian Army.peter wrote: Have their flats been taken back?
Did Antony not know that Tejinder and others had a flat in Adarsh?
Is this Hooda the same whose son/relative is supposed to be close to Chidambram's son?
What a group!
The Arun Nanda was the who was forced to resign by COAS V.K Singh on Sexual Misconduct charges.>Sh BHUPINDER SINGH HOODA
>GEN DEEPAK KAPOOR(Retd) COAS
>LT GEN ARUN NANDA(Retd)
>MAJ GEN RK HOODA
Not sure if he is also related to Admiral Nanda's (infamous) family.
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Kargil was a good lesson for us to create the role of CDS to enable decision-making seamlessly across the services
What really surprises me is the procrastination by MoD/GoI in making a decision (irrespecitve of whether it is BJP or Congress). What is it that they are afraid of? How much can (or rather should) turf war between IA and IAF be allowed to derail this. It can't just be seen as an inter-services problem... It is of national interest
What really surprises me is the procrastination by MoD/GoI in making a decision (irrespecitve of whether it is BJP or Congress). What is it that they are afraid of? How much can (or rather should) turf war between IA and IAF be allowed to derail this. It can't just be seen as an inter-services problem... It is of national interest
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I am not blaming Nehru, I am using his name to characterize that type of thinking. In fact the specific incident which came to my mind was when they are trying to decide during their cabinet meeting or somesuch whether to accept Hari Singh's accession for J&K and during the meeting Nehru stands up and talks about everything under the sun including God, UN, NAM, Congo, Lady Mountbatten's bongos, everything except the question at hand....till Sardar Patel gets up and asked exasperatedly "Jawaharlal, do you want Kashmir or not???" Nehru silently nods yes and Sardar Patel immediately tells the IA officer in the room that he has his order and thats when the 1st airlift with Major Somnath Sharma and his men begins.ramana wrote:Why blame Nehru for morons?
Nehru may have been a great man (so is Manmohan) but he was not a great leader...not even a good one (and neither is Manmohan). I think India will forever regret 2 things: Sardar Patel not becoming PM and LBS passing away in harness.
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A Congress committee voted 13-3 to make Sardar Patel PM. It was "mahatma" Gandhi who forced Nehru down India's throat condemning millions to socialist inspired poverty and the festering wound called Cashmere.
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For Allah's Sake, I killed my Fellow Mohmmedians, Not Indian Army
For years, the Army was blamed for the Chhattisinghpora massacre. But now, it now out the bloodbath was orchestrated by Lashkar's operational head, Muzammil Butt.
it was Muzammil, then operating in Kashmir, who along with dozen men in Army fatigues went to the village in Kashmir's Anantnag district on March 25, 2000 and killed 35 Sikhs.
Sources said Jundal's interrogation had revealed that Muzammil, along with his associates, drew all the men of the village out of their homes and asked them to gather near the village gurdwara. The Lashkar men then shot 35 Sikhs in cold blood.
The revelation is significant given that sections of Kashmiri political parties and civil rights activists in the country have always asserted that it was the handiwork of the Indian Army.
Muzammil, who home minister P Chidambaram recently said had replaced Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi as LeT's operational head
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Imagine JLN as HM. You would have 600 independent countries within India's borders. Now what was that saying about lesser of two evils?tejas wrote:A Congress committee voted 13-3 to make Sardar Patel PM. It was "mahatma" Gandhi who forced Nehru down India's throat condemning millions to socialist inspired poverty and the festering wound called Cashmere.
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x-posting
originally posted by ramana in Inder malhotra series thread
originally posted by ramana in Inder malhotra series thread
Army’s shadow over Shastri’s succession: Inder Malhotraramana wrote:Origins of the civil-mil tussle in independent India. As suspected the good for nothing IB chief was at the root of it.
In order to wind up the story of Shastri’s succession to Nehru it is necessary to recount just one more episode of some consequence, especially because it finds no mention in most of the narratives of this critically important interlude. The basic reason for the underlying restraint is that the incident had brought in the army, though very briefly and marginally, into the political process at that crucial and delicate juncture.
The facts that are being cited here have never been disputed by anybody. But on what they really meant differences were sharp, even angry. Suspicions arose that perhaps taking advantage of the interregnum the army leadership was toying with the idea of attempting a coup. By the time the government, at the highest level, concluded that nothing of the sort had happened, a lot of bickering and blamegame had gone on in the higher echelons of the establishment though almost entirely behind a curtain of secrecy.
The government’s verdict, together with the country’s proud belief that the Indian military is apolitical and under civilian control, became the incentive to not merely downplay the incident but to ignore it altogether. However, it is wrong to suppress any facet of history. So here goes the sequence of events.
At the time of Nehru’s death, the army chief, General J.N. Chaudhuri (“Muchu”, to friends) was inspecting the troops down south. He immediately flew back to Delhi. The first thing he did was to call in the area commander to ask him whether he had enough men to be able to control the sea of humanity that would turn up for Nehru’s last rites. The major-general confidently replied that he had. But the chief was sceptical. Not wanting to take any risk, he ordered 6,000 soldiers in nearby districts of Uttar Pradesh to come to Delhi. What he omitted to do was inform Y.B. Chavan, who was defence minister in the cabinet, now headed by G.L. Nanda. Chaudhuri’s subsequent explanation to Chavan and many others was that having been in charge of Mahatma Gandhi’s funeral in January 1948 he had found that the manpower at his disposal had proved to be inadequate. This time round, therefore, he wanted the arrangements to be foolproof. About his failure to inform the government his explanation was that it was a routine troop movement. All he was ensuring was that nothing would go wrong while managing crowds of gargantuan proportions mourning a beloved leader.
The highly influential intelligence chief, B.N. Mullik, who had stayed at the prime minister’s elbow practically all through the Nehru era, had anticipated Chaudhuri’s explanation and rejected it completely. He had smelled a rat and had lost no time to inform his boss, Nanda, who was both prime minister and home minister. Not content with this, the intelligence czar even took some rather laughable measures to thwart a military coup. For, he rushed in quite a few battalions of paramilitary formations into the national capital. Those few who knew of this development were surprised that a man of his wide experience should have been so naïve as to think that formations of the Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) could take on the army’s might. The Border Security Force (BSF) is much better equipped. But it did not exist at that time; it was formed only after the 1965 war with Pakistan.
In all fairness, one must not be too critical of Mullik. He may have been paranoid but there was a reason why he acted the way he did. Since the army takeover in Pakistan under Ayub Khan in 1958 and the Krishna Menon-Thimayya spat in this country — Menon was a waspish defence minister and Thimayya a highly respected and popular army chief — shortly thereafter, he was a deeply disturbed man. He deemed it his paramount duty to see to it that the disaster of military rule never struck India. His fears were accentuated in 1960 when General Ne Win overthrew the civilian government in Burma, now called Myanmar. He therefore kept a sharp eye on the goings-on within the armed forces, especially on generals he regarded as ambitious. Unfortunately, the situation got aggravated after Chaudhuri became chief of army staff nearly 18 months before the end of the Nehru era. Relations between the two became heavily strained because the general constantly accused the director of the Intelligence Bureau (there was no other intelligence agency then) of not providing the army with the intelligence it needed, and Mullik charged Chaudhuri with pusillanimity for refusing to send the troops back to at least those areas of today’s Arunachal Pradesh which even the Chinese, after their withdrawal, conceded were to the “south of the so-called MacMahon Line”. This inevitably affected the events of May 28-29, 1964.
Unlike Mullik, Nanda did not get agitated or excited. Coolly he asked the Union home secretary, L.P. Singh, to find out what exactly was the legal position about the army’s right to move troops in the kind of situation the country was facing. LP entrusted the task to his trusted aide, B.S. Raghavan, who reported back that under the law governing the army while rendering aid to the civil authority, and the accompanying rules and directives, the army could bring in more troops if it felt that the “situation was likely to spin out of control”. This brought the matter to an end.
In any case, by then Nehru’s funeral was over. As the famous British journalist, James Cameron, wrote in The Guardian, during the iconic prime minister’s last journey, New Delhi had become the “most overpopulated spot on earth, and yet not a single untoward incident had taken place”.
Only one small mystery remained among only those in the know. Why had it taken Chaudhuri a fortnight to go and see Chavan and for the latter to express “full satisfaction” with the way all concerned had handled the situation and to declare the chapter as closed? Months later, it transpired that the general had suffered a mild heart attack and could leave his sickbed only when allowed by his doctors.
The writer is a Delhi-based political commentator.
ramana wrote:Wonder if them both being from Bengal had something to do with Mullick's ire?
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merlin wrote:
With the Sardar in charge Nehru would have hopefully reduced to the figurehead role he deserved,Imagine JLN as HM. You would have 600 independent countries within India's borders. Now what was that saying about lesser of two evils?
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I would think, if LBS ji signed the cheque at Tashkent then he should pick up the tab for it.Raja Bose wrote: Nehru may have been a great man (so is Manmohan) but he was not a great leader...not even a good one (and neither is Manmohan). I think India will forever regret 2 things: Sardar Patel not becoming PM and LBS passing away in harness.
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Why Lt Col Purohit's case may have the Army searching for cover | NDTV Video
2. Other than MFOs, lets hold our comments vis-a-vis his links to Abhinav Bharat till IA clarifies whether the officer was infiltrating the group or did he cross the line.
1. His ACR says he infiltrated Muslim Fundamentalist Groups, that without a shadow of doubt means that his superiors knew about his activities. Wouldn't that in turn mean that Home Ministry has sanctioned MI to operate inside a non-disturbed area? Aren't non-disturbed areas purview of IB alone?An Annual Confidential Report (ACR)in NDTV's possession has a senior officer praising Lt Col Purohit. "The officer has infiltrated the SIMI and other underground outfits in the region through his capabilities and go-getter attitude.
Dependable, Lt Col Purohit is a good team player." A year later, a similar report said, "...with the basic knowledge of Arabic language and Islamic culture, he provided valuable int (intelligence) on Tabliq-e-Jamat and MFO (Muslim Fundamentalist Organisations) which was well appreciated by the environment...."
2. Other than MFOs, lets hold our comments vis-a-vis his links to Abhinav Bharat till IA clarifies whether the officer was infiltrating the group or did he cross the line.
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Seems redux of Shekhar Gupta's supposed 'breaking news' ...though last time it was only a routine troop movement for routine winter exercise.ramana wrote:Not wanting to take any risk, he ordered 6,000 soldiers in nearby districts of Uttar Pradesh to come to Delhi. What he omitted to do was inform Y.B. Chavan, who was defence minister in the cabinet, now headed by G.L. Nanda.
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Breaking news on TV :
Lt. Colnel Sanjay Shandilya found with Bangladeshi woman Sheeba who has previously trapped another one before. They were caught in a five star hotel. The Officer's and his senior's laptop missing. This is the second case in a year. Bharat Varma on Zee News criticising IA.
The officer was posted on the Paki border. He met her on Facebook.
Lt. Colnel Sanjay Shandilya found with Bangladeshi woman Sheeba who has previously trapped another one before. They were caught in a five star hotel. The Officer's and his senior's laptop missing. This is the second case in a year. Bharat Varma on Zee News criticising IA.
The officer was posted on the Paki border. He met her on Facebook.
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Truly, we deserve the DDM as much as they deserve us.
available online at http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 824143.cmsArmy officer caught chatting online with Bangladeshi woman 'working' for ISI, faces inquiry
NEW DELHI: In yet another security breach in the armed forces, an Army officer has been caught for chatting online with a Bangladeshi woman who had earlier "honeytrapped" another Indian officer in an espionage operation masterminded by Pakistan's ISI in Bangladesh late last year.
The Army is conducting a court of inquiry (CoI) against the officer, a Lieutenant Colonel from the 82 Armoured Regiment deployed in a forward formation at Suratgarh district of Rajasthan, to ascertain whether he allegedly divulged or compromised classified operational information along the western front with Pakistan.
The Army strongly denied reports that the Lieutenant Colonel had also got entangled in a honey trap -- basically a hostile intelligence operation for first seducing and then blackmailing a person into divulging confidential information - or that two laptops with sensitive information had gone missing.
"The officer was just chatting with the woman on the computer...there was no physical contact. No laptops have been lost. We are conducting a court of inquiry into the incident," said a senior officer.
Intelligence Bureau sleuths got wind of the fresh episode since they were tracking the Bangladeshi woman, Sheeba, after she had honeytrapped the other Indian Lieutenant Colonel, this time a Para Regiment commando, who was undergoing a staff college course in the military academy of Bangladesh last year.
"The Para officer had been compromised in the ISI honeytrap at Dhaka. But instead of giving away any information, he informed Indian authorities and was promptly flown out of Bangladesh," said an official.
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How do they come up with fake news like this..
There should be a penalty.
There should be a penalty.
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May be ISI tipped off DDM so it can get away after blaming IA, for which IA had to report certain clarifications. Our DDM is anyway good at spreading stink of ISI propaganda.archan wrote:How do they come up with fake news like this..
There should be a penalty.
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Thanks Shiv ji, I have deleted it. Will be more careful in future.
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This may be a Chinese propaganda image. To me the uniforms don't look Indian, and I vaguely recall seeing a similar pic earlierManish_Sharma wrote:http://goo.gl/VEeIm
Indian Army personnel in Sikkim, helping flood victims... lying on ropes tied over river, they made a bridge on their own bodies on which people crossed the river. Salute to the Indian Army !!! Jai Hind !!!
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What can be more laughable than the name of this book. Soldier's general? Yeah right! Send soldiers to work at his wife's shop. Treated the 'Sahayaks' as some servant. Not even a patch on VKS.abhishek_sharma wrote:Book review: A Soldier’s General : An Autobiography: Gen J.J. Singh
The good General cried profusely out of unexpected happiness when he was announced as COAS.
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Hindustan Times: Focus China: Strike corps plan back on drawing board
Shishir Gupta, Hindustan Times
New Delhi, July 15, 2012
The UPA government has sent back the army's 2011 proposal for raising a new mountain strike corps at Pannagarh in West Bengal to the Chiefs of Staff Committee (COSC) this month in order to bring the navy and air force on board and broad base its military capability against China.
The three armed forces chiefs will deliberate on the plan in their next meeting after adding hardware requirements of the air force and navy too in a bid to synergise future operations.
Top official sources said once the three chiefs decide on their specific individual requirements to strengthen the northern borders and deployment in the Indian Ocean, the new proposal will be sent to the Cabinet Committee on Security after due whetting of the defence ministry.
As first reported by HT last August, the army had moved an ambitious proposal to raise a strike corps with two divisions (total of 60,000 men) against China at Pannagarh, position two armoured regiments at Nathu La in Sikkim and Fukche in Ladakh respectively, and deploy an additional infantry brigade to Barahoti plains in Uttarakhand. After being cleared by the defence ministry last year, the proposal was sent to the finance ministry, followed by the CCS, for approval.
The decision to send back the COSC plan came after the country's security managers felt all three services needed to muscle up against the rising military capability of the northern neighbour, and not just the army. The move also came after the navy and air force raised concerns over preferential treatment to army modernisation by the government.
"We have asked the three chiefs to discuss among themselves their hardware requirements within the designated modernisation budget, and come up with a wholesome proposal," said a senior official.
Apart from the army, the air force and navy will also be sending proposals to the COSC before the final view is taken on what new air and naval assets, including helicopters for advance landing grounds and warships for longer reach into Indian Ocean, will be required.
However, given the speed at which China is building its military capacities, defence minister AK Antony has said if the tri-service proposal is not brought to the table soon, the ministry will intervene to allocate military resources within the budget.
Shishir Gupta, Hindustan Times
New Delhi, July 15, 2012
The UPA government has sent back the army's 2011 proposal for raising a new mountain strike corps at Pannagarh in West Bengal to the Chiefs of Staff Committee (COSC) this month in order to bring the navy and air force on board and broad base its military capability against China.
The three armed forces chiefs will deliberate on the plan in their next meeting after adding hardware requirements of the air force and navy too in a bid to synergise future operations.
Top official sources said once the three chiefs decide on their specific individual requirements to strengthen the northern borders and deployment in the Indian Ocean, the new proposal will be sent to the Cabinet Committee on Security after due whetting of the defence ministry.
As first reported by HT last August, the army had moved an ambitious proposal to raise a strike corps with two divisions (total of 60,000 men) against China at Pannagarh, position two armoured regiments at Nathu La in Sikkim and Fukche in Ladakh respectively, and deploy an additional infantry brigade to Barahoti plains in Uttarakhand. After being cleared by the defence ministry last year, the proposal was sent to the finance ministry, followed by the CCS, for approval.
The decision to send back the COSC plan came after the country's security managers felt all three services needed to muscle up against the rising military capability of the northern neighbour, and not just the army. The move also came after the navy and air force raised concerns over preferential treatment to army modernisation by the government.
"We have asked the three chiefs to discuss among themselves their hardware requirements within the designated modernisation budget, and come up with a wholesome proposal," said a senior official.
Apart from the army, the air force and navy will also be sending proposals to the COSC before the final view is taken on what new air and naval assets, including helicopters for advance landing grounds and warships for longer reach into Indian Ocean, will be required.
However, given the speed at which China is building its military capacities, defence minister AK Antony has said if the tri-service proposal is not brought to the table soon, the ministry will intervene to allocate military resources within the budget.
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what about Arjun Mk 2 ? anybody know ?
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Lion of Naoshera
Birth centenary of Indo-Pak war hero celebrated
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Usman
Birth centenary of Indo-Pak war hero celebrated
Pakturds lurkers read and weepThe Army’s Parachute Regiment on Sunday celebrated the birth centenary of Brig Mohammed Usman, the highest-ranking army officer killed in the Indo-Pak conflict in 1947. Brig Usman had shown unparallelled courage and valour during 1947-48 while defending the Naushera Sector of Jammu and Kashmir and recapturing Jhangar, Vice President Hamid Ansari said at the function.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Usman
Brigadier Mohammad Usman (15 July 1912 – 3 July 1948) was the highest ranking officer of Indian Army killed in the Indo-Pakistani War of 1947, who as a Muslim became a "symbol of" India's "inclusive secularism".[1] At the time of partition of India he with many other officers declined to move to the Pakistan Army and continued to serve the Indian Army. He was commissioned in the Baluch Regiment. At the time of partition he was offered to become Chief of the Pakistani Army but he chose to stay in India.
When the Baluch Regiment was allotted to Pakistan, Brig Usman was transferred to the Dogra Regiment. At the time of Indo-Pakistani War of 1947 , Brig Usman, Commander of 77 Para Brigade was given command of 50 Para Brigade, deployed at Jhangar in December 1947. [4]
At the time of Indo-Pakistani War of 1947-48 Brigadier Usman was posted at the Jammu and Kashmir front as the brigade commander of the 50 Para Brigade. He led his soldiers from front and in January–February 1948 repulsed a fierce attack on Nowshera and Jhangar, two highly strategic locations in Jammu and Kashmir. He was thence known as the Lion of Naoshera.[5] However, he was killed in action while fighting the Pakistan Army and the tribal raiders on July 3 of that year.[2]
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Naushera Ka Sher. That's what Brig Usman was known as. Few know how he died. It was not the injuries in siege that killed him. He stood in the open during an artillery strike and organised an evacuation of his men to the bunker. He is said to died shielding a jawan from a shell blast.
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Gen JJ Singh was widely considered a good chief by BRF until VKS started to peel off the skin to show the rot. Media latched on to JJ Singh with suspicion of wrong doing and it sold readily because him being a Sikh, PM being a sikh and the person that is replacing VKS being also sikh. All of this could very well be true but remains unproven.
He didn't get a flat in adarsh society, neither he cleared any controversial land deal or found to be involved in a fake encounter, ration scam or sex scandal. There is a chance that he might not be a bad guy except for some minor flaws etc. I think the 2 other generals that followed JJ were purely bad people and there is enough direct evidence available to show their culpability.
Amitabh Bachchan's name was recently cleared of Bofors scandal after 25+ years by the Swiss police chief. Reputation of innocent people can get sullied just because they happen to be in the room when the $hit hit the fan.
He didn't get a flat in adarsh society, neither he cleared any controversial land deal or found to be involved in a fake encounter, ration scam or sex scandal. There is a chance that he might not be a bad guy except for some minor flaws etc. I think the 2 other generals that followed JJ were purely bad people and there is enough direct evidence available to show their culpability.
Amitabh Bachchan's name was recently cleared of Bofors scandal after 25+ years by the Swiss police chief. Reputation of innocent people can get sullied just because they happen to be in the room when the $hit hit the fan.
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you must have not been reading then. JJ Singh was considered iffy from the first and long before VKS came along his doings were open secret.
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Is Colonel Purohit guilty?
The Colonel is a legitimate intelligence operative. Interaction with the police authorities, other intelligence agencies, desirable and undesirable elements was very much a part of his duty, without which no intelligence can be gathered and no counter-intelligence operation can be effected. No intelligence agency issues written orders in pursuance of intelligence operations. The entire system is based on trust and faith. It is yet to be established how much of disconnect is there between the legitimate and illegitimate activities of the officer during the course of his duty.
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I have been reading I thought but if i missed something would like to correct it? What did you read in pre VKS era that I missed?Rahul M wrote:you must have not been reading then. JJ Singh was considered iffy from the first and long before VKS came along his doings were open secret.
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^ IIRC, Brig. RayC made some comments here much before VKS episode.
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Per a panwala, JJ's son runs an import-export business in Dilli.
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What's his contribution to the Army that makes him credible? Why did he not expose any corruption scandals ? Did they all happen in the two years after he retired ? What's your fanfare based on ?Katare wrote:I have been reading I thought but if i missed something would like to correct it? What did you read in pre VKS era that I missed?Rahul M wrote:you must have not been reading then. JJ Singh was considered iffy from the first and long before VKS came along his doings were open secret.
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I was upset about JJ's crying (literally) in front of the media while recounting the story of a terrorist an his distraught mother.
There were stories in the media about his pompousness, about his leaving office early in the afternoon to go play golf. At the golf course he had his general's stars on his golf cart, and he had, IIRC, silk cloth spread on the ground at the golf course for him to stand on.
He also got into an unseemly spat in trying to get elected to a top post in the Delhi Gymkhana.
His accomplishments were nowhere near Gen VKS'.
There were stories in the media about his pompousness, about his leaving office early in the afternoon to go play golf. At the golf course he had his general's stars on his golf cart, and he had, IIRC, silk cloth spread on the ground at the golf course for him to stand on.
He also got into an unseemly spat in trying to get elected to a top post in the Delhi Gymkhana.
His accomplishments were nowhere near Gen VKS'.
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Rahul Gandhi to be appointed as defence minister?
I am at loss of expression - should i be sad or happy ?Congress leader Rahul Gandhi [ Images ] has decided to jump in the active politics, as the time is running out for him and his party.
Rediff.com has reliably learnt that 'Rahul is likely to be appointed as defence minister'. He is also most likely to take up the responsibility of Leader of the House.
To become the Leader of the House, Rahul first has to be a Cabinet minister.Last week, top office bearers of the party ruled out any change of prime minister or party president. Dr Manmohan Singh [ Images ] and Sonia Gandhi [ Images ] will continue doing their job till 2014. It is assessed that Rahul cannot be Home minister, as it is a thankless job where result-oriented success is almost impossible in view of the ground realities of the country.
He also cannot assume the role of finance minister, as he simply does not have the knack for it. If Rahul is made the rural development minister he may be able to uplift his pro-poor image but it will not make him fit to join the elite powerful groups within the government like the Cabinet Committee on Security and Cabinet Committee on Political Affairs.
Hence, the best possible portfolio for Rahul is defence affairs where the success and failures are a collective affair during peace time.
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[quote] I'm at loss of expression....
Pray god sooner the better. Its about time to end the suspense.
As they say savva lakh ki dhaki mutthi to khul jayegi!!!!
Regards.
Pray god sooner the better. Its about time to end the suspense.
As they say savva lakh ki dhaki mutthi to khul jayegi!!!!
Regards.
Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012
I doubt that news .....DM Central is given only to senior person with experience ....Rahul baba will work for the party and government but without any position
Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012
^^^No such rules apply to scion of Nehru dynasty....them rules are for lesser mortals like Pranab da or Anthony.