Surya wrote:that will definitely happen - maybe not publicly
Surya wrote:what is further aching me is the almost assured future course of no counter-action.
that will definitely happen - maybe not publicly
Boreas wrote:i don't think so.. what they did to avenge kalia?
Prithwiraj wrote:Boreas wrote:i don't think so.. what they did to avenge kalia?
1. May be we don't know since it is not public
2. IAF did take out PN Atlantique in retaliation of shooting down of Migs.
RamaY wrote:Silly isn't it? Why would IA want to hide the retaliation details?
Prithwiraj wrote:Boreas wrote:i don't think so.. what they did to avenge kalia?
1. May be we don't know since it is not public
Prithwiraj wrote:RamaY wrote:Silly isn't it? Why would IA want to hide the retaliation details?
to keep IA happy and protect minority votes..sad but this is the reality
SaiK wrote:I am questioning how come they could not detect the pakis with installed mil devices?
Raja Bose wrote:As per accounts, a 4 man patrol got ambushed and all got severely injured. 2 of the dead were beheaded and all their weapons were snatched.
This was a Paki SSG border action team (BAT) operation thru and thru.
"We need to do something about this and we will, but it has to be done after careful consideration of all the details in consultation with the defence ministry," Salman Khurshid said.
"It is absolutely unacceptable, ghastly, and really, really terrible and extremely short-sighted by their part," he added, saying any response would be "proportionate".
Condemning the attack, which it called provocative, Government said it will take up the incident with Pakistan. "We expect Islamabad to honour the ceasefire agreement strictly," Defence Ministry said in a late night statement.
vivek_ahuja wrote:b) How did they even know about the 4 man Indian team? Did they just stumble into them or knew exactly what the Indian patrol patterns were?
c) Why, after just having a border issue in the last few days, were we still sending out small 4 man teams to begin with? Didn't we expect a counter-response?
The attack took place along the Line of Control in Poonch district when Pakistanis came about 100 metres into Indian territory and assaulted the patrol party.
"A group of their regular soldiers intruded across the Line of Control in the Mendhar sector on January 8. Pakistan army troops, having taken advantage of thick fog and mist in the forested area, were moving towards our posts when an alert area domination patrol spotted and engaged the intruders," it said.
"The fire fight between Pakistan and our troops continued for approximately half an hour after which the intruders retreated towards their side of LoC. Two soldiers Lance Naik Hemraj and Lance Naik Sudhakar Singh laid down their lives while fighting the Pakistani troops," it said without giving any further details.
Boreas wrote:Question in my mind is that why no backup/reinforcement reached there in one hour??
I am not ready to believe/assume that IA patrolling partis not even have a radio set!
vivek_ahuja wrote:An "area domination team" of four men engaged the Paki raiders. Why would they need backup?
vivek_ahuja wrote:I am not ready to believe/assume that IA patrolling partis not even have a radio set!
Better believe it buddy. BRF may be a focal point for upcoming Indian military tech, but it often fails to see how long and slowly that tech gets down to the men who need it the most. You will be surprised to see how our soldiers actually stay (conditions and equipment) when it comes to the China border. I assume the same goes even for sections of the LOC.
Boreas wrote:vivek_ahuja wrote:An "area domination team" of four men engaged the Paki raiders. Why would they need backup?
To behead the intruders.
If those porki f*cker would have been killed or held inside indian teriritory whole of PA would have been hiding under the sand now.
vivek_ahuja wrote:Better believe it buddy. BRF may be a focal point for upcoming Indian military tech, but it often fails to see how long and slowly that tech gets down to the men who need it the most. You will be surprised to see how our soldiers actually stay (conditions and equipment) when it comes to the China border. I assume the same goes even for sections of the LOC.
HOW can't they don't have radio.. what is the purpose of patrolling! Go out and look if there is something wrong! What are they supposed to do when they find something wrong.. walk back and report??
Boreas wrote:A lot of facts are yet missing.
vivek_ahuja wrote:Raja Bose wrote:As per accounts, a 4 man patrol got ambushed and all got severely injured. 2 of the dead were beheaded and all their weapons were snatched.
What happened to the other two who were wounded? They managed to escape?This was a Paki SSG border action team (BAT) operation thru and thru.
Poonch Incident Is A 'Provocative Action'
"The government of India considers the incident as a provocative action and we condemn it. DGMOs of the two countries are in touch over it. The government will take up the incident with the Pakistan Government. We expect Islamabad to honour the ceasefire agreement strictly."
Sitanshu Kar
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Rohit... i think funds have been cut to Army Ordnance Corps... he has made it as if it has been done away with... and then clubbed it with the starting trouble faced by the MSC and made TWO Corps... thank god he didn't spell it as CORPSE ase many DDM tend to do... even in Khan land... one thing people need to understand... this 10K crore is well within the money returned by our armed forces every year to the central budget which is then swallowed by CON-gress.rohitvats wrote:I simply cannot make head or tale of the article about CSD and cut in the Army budget. Which and what Corps is the author talking about? Super confused onlee...
Boreas wrote:http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/india-to-respond-to-ghastly-attack-on-troops-salman-khurshid/articleshow/17945099.cms. . . he added, saying any response would be "proportionate".
"We need to do something about this and we will, but it has to be done after careful consideration of all the details in consultation with the defence ministry," Salman Khurshid said.
"It is absolutely unacceptable, ghastly, and really, really terrible and extremely short-sighted by their part," he added, saying any response would be "proportionate".
They should have not been short-sighted and should be like us in taking a long-term view in not reacting, passing propotionate time and doing nothing.Condemning the attack, which it called provocative, Government said it will take up the incident with Pakistan. "We expect Islamabad to honour the ceasefire agreement strictly," Defence Ministry said in a late night statement.
We will not sit idle, we will use the best of diplomatic language and in the strongest possible terms in multiple dossiers take up the "incident" and ask them strongly to "honour ceasefire agreement" strictly".
SSridhar wrote:. . he added, saying any response would be "proportionate".
No, it must be disproportionate.
Makes me think if the I in the GoI really stands for India? Any other country starting with I running us?Vipul wrote:BTW did anybody note GOI is calling the beaheading of Indian Soldiers an "Incident". AckThoo[/b].
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Official sources told the Excelsior that a group of nearly 12 Pakistan Army jawans of 29 Balouch, all of whom were believed to be commandos going by the black dresses they were wearing from head to toe, ambushed a patrol party of five Army jawans between Chatri and Atma posts in Mankot sector in Mendhar tehsil after intruding about 600 meters deep inside the Indian territory in broad day light at 11.30 am ahead of the fencing today and opened indiscriminate firing on the jawans, who retaliated.
As Pakistani troops (commandos) outnumbered the area domination patrol party of Indian Army comprising five soldiers of 13 Raj Rifles, two Army jawans were killed on spot and the intruders injured two others in the firing. The Pakistan Army personnel were reported to have beheaded two killed Army jawans and took the head of one of them along with them with their two AK-47 rifles to Pakistan.
A senior officer without saying that head of one of the jawan was taken by the Pakistan Army confirmed that body of one of the jawans was badly mutilated.
The Pakistani troops fled back to their installations within few minutes.
The dead Army jawans have been identified as Lance Naik Hem Raj R/o Mathura, UP and Lance Naik Sudhakar Singh R/o Jhansar, MP. Two Army jawans were injured in the firing. Army personnel from their nearby posts rushed to the spot soon after hearing the sound of gun shots and launched an operation. The troops saw Pakistan Army personnel, who were commandos of Border Action Team (BAT) of 29 Balouch, fleeing towards their forward Barbad and PP posts, opposite Mankot sector of Mendhar tehsil. The Pakistan action team also took away two service weapons of the deceased Army jawans with them.
Army jawans shifted the bodies to the hospital. Two injured soldiers were airlifted to Command Hospital in Udhampur. Army has videographed and photographed the spot as evidence to lodge protest with Pakistan Army for their brutal and gruesome act of killing Army jawans in the stealth mission by intruding inside the Indian territory.
Sources said the area where the incident took place was well ahead of border fencing.
"It was a stealth mission i.e. a very well planned operation in which Pakistan Army commandos had been maintaining vigil and looking for the area where there was very less presence of the Indian troops. As only five jawans were part of the patrolling between Chatri and Atma posts and other forward Indian positions were located at quite a distance, they picked up the spot and raided it. The entire operation might have lasted just 5 to 10 minutes and the Pakistani troops managed to escape before the arrival of other jawans on the spot’’, they added.
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This was the first incident of this kind after ceasefire agreement between India and Pakistan came into force in November 2003 at both LoC and International Border and second since militancy broke out in Jammu and Kashmir about two and a half decades ago leading to fresh Indo-Pak hostilities.
The first such incident was executed by Ilyas Kashmir, a Pakistan Army soldier turned a dreaded commander of Harkat-ul-Jehad Islami (HuJI), in Nowshera sector of Rajouri district in February 2000 when he along with his associates and Pakistani troops had attacked the Army jawans and killed 9 Army personnel. He had chopped off head of one of the Army jawan identified as Sepoy Bhausaheb Maruti Talekar of the 17 Maratha Light Infantry (MLI) and taken it to Pakistan.
Ilyas Kashmir had shown the head to the then Pakistan Army chief Gen Pervez Musharraf and earned a handsome reward. There had been unconfirmed reports sometime back that Ilyas Kashmiri was killed in a US drone strike in North Waziristan.
Talekar, the 24-year-old soldier from Maharashtra, was posted at a border listening post.
Ashok LP post in Rajouri district — that was surrounded by three Pakistani posts when it was attacked in the early hours of February 27, 2000 by Pakistani troops and irregulars. At that time also, the two armies were lodged in an intense exchange of fire — small arms and artillery — that was taking place all along the LoC.
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SaiK wrote:Makes me think if the I in the GoI really stands for India? Any other country starting with I running us?Vipul wrote:BTW did anybody note GOI is calling the beaheading of Indian Soldiers an "Incident". AckThoo[/b].
their forward Barbad and PP posts, opposite Mankot sector of Mendhar tehsil
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