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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby abhishek_sharma » 14 Jan 2013 11:18

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
Army chief: No cross-border operation undertaken by Indian Army on Jan 6 (in Uri sector) as alleged by Pak Army.

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Army chief: I don't expect my commanders to be timid. They have retaliated after being provoked. Am proud of their conduct.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby abhishek_sharma » 14 Jan 2013 11:22

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Army chief: Pakistan's actions on Jan 6 were premeditated and pre-planned. Their troops were poised for this op. | pic.twitter.com/UROezSnB

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Army chief: Pak Army conducted Jan 6 provocation in Uri to justify what it did in Mendhar two days later, in which 2 Jawans were killed.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby abhishek_sharma » 14 Jan 2013 11:25

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Army chief: We will uphold the ceasefire if the adversary upholds it. If they fire, we won't hold back. Rest assured, we will retaliate.

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AWESOME - Army chief: I expect my commanders to be aggressive and offensive. They should know that the Army stands behind them.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby peter » 14 Jan 2013 11:36

http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/other-states/soldiers-family-refuses-to-believe-headless-body-was-his/article4305067.ece?homepage=true

Very Sad!

This Prime minister of India could not sleep all night when a doctor from Bangalore was accused of being a terrorist in Australia.

Yet there isn't a word from him about the grief of Hemraj and Sudhakar's family.

What is going on?

Does any one know why two different stories from the army about beheading and mutilation?

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Nikhil T » 14 Jan 2013 11:41

CoAS talking tough in press conference. Watch NDTV!

Promises to retaliate in a place of own choosing and time.

Will update some takeaways here:
1. It was Pak who requested a ceasefire in Nov 2003.
2. "Want my troops to be aggressive and offensive when fired upon."
3. Sequence of war - duel, engagement, battle, campaign and finally war. Right now its at the duel level.
4. "IAF chief meant diplomatic options in his statement" (Reiterated twice in separate questions)
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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby abhishek_sharma » 14 Jan 2013 11:47

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For all that is said about Gen Bikram Singh, the message he has sent out to the rank and file today is timely, tough and highly welcome.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby sum » 14 Jan 2013 11:48

4. "IAF chief meant diplomatic options in his statement"

Should end the tiny wet dream nursed by any jingo

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby abhishek_sharma » 14 Jan 2013 11:52

^^ That downhill skiing should be due to MHA/PMO/EAM intervention. I believe IAF chief meant exactly what jingos thought.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby k prasad » 14 Jan 2013 12:03

This 'clarification' by Singh about what Browne said seems interesting. Does anyone else here sense a subtle jockeying among the forces for prominence in terms of possible response? Or could also be MoD trying to keep their feet on both boats and defuse the situation.

I for one found it very very interesting that the first Chief of Staff conference was by Browne and not Singh.

Waiting for what the Navy Chief will say now ;-)

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Nikhil T » 14 Jan 2013 12:05

k prasad wrote:This 'clarification' by Singh about what Browne said seems interesting. Does anyone else here sense a subtle jockeying among the forces for prominence in terms of possible response? Or could also be MoD trying to keep their feet on both boats and defuse the situation.

I for one found it very very interesting that the first Chief of Staff conference was by Browne and not Singh.

Waiting for what the Navy Chief will say now ;-)


Browne is the current Chairman, COSC being the seniormost Chief amongst the three. So he is the natural lead for the conference.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby abhishek_sharma » 14 Jan 2013 12:06

Headlines Today ‏@HeadlinesToday
Gen Bikram Singh: Siachen is important to us and we must to continue to hold it

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Nikhil T » 14 Jan 2013 12:07

Interesting story from a journo's question

"In Dera Baba Nanak sector held by Pakis during 1971, the Paki troops raped the village women and cut their breasts. The shocked Indian Army responded by rounding up the villages and killing each Paki soldier there."

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby abhishek_sharma » 14 Jan 2013 12:38

nitin gokhale ‏@nitingokhale
Siachen is strategically important for India&we need to be continue to be there. Let's not lose our advantage on the glacier: Army Chief

nitin gokhale ‏@nitingokhale
We should not dilute the provisions of AFSPA. It is an act that enables the soldier to operate in an asymmetric environment: Army Chief

nitin gokhale ‏@nitingokhale
There are no fissures in the Indian Army leadership: Army Chief Gen Bikram Singh

nitin gokhale ‏@nitingokhale
Army Chief admits to an earlier incident of beheading of Indian soldiers in 2011.

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Tactical errors have taken place in the patrol on which we lost 2 soldiers. We will enquire into the matter later: Army Chief Bikram Singh

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby chaanakya » 14 Jan 2013 12:56

India won't remain passive if attacked: Army chief
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 016727.cms

NEW DELHI: The killing of two Indian soldiers — one of whom was beheaded — by Pakistani troops is a "gruesome and an unpardonable act," Army chief General Bikram Singh said on Monday, and asserted that his forces "reserve the right to retaliate".

"What they (Pakistan) have done is against the ethics of soldiering. My heart goes out to the families of soldiers who were killed and whose bodies were mutilated. It's a gruesome and unpardonable act. Beheading of soldiers is not acceptable," Singh told reporters here.

He also said that the Indian Army will uphold the ceasefire as long as it is maintained.

"We will uphold the ceasefire as long as it is maintained. We reserve the right to retaliate at the time and place of our choosing," Singh said.

Appreciating the Indian soldiers, Singh said: "Commanders on LoC are doing a great job. I expect my commanders on the LoC to be aggressive. They must understand that the Army hierarchy is behind them."

Border tensions between India and Pakistan have risen sharply since the January 6 death of a Pakistani soldier in alleged firing by Indian forces along the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir.

Two days later, on January 8 Pakistani soldiers killed and mutilated two Indian soldiers in the Mendhar sector in Poonch district of Jammu and Kashmir. The soldiers were identified as Lance Naik Sudhakar Singh and Lance Naik Hemraj of the Rajputana Rifles.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby chaanakya » 14 Jan 2013 12:59

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/behea ... /1059111/0

Beheading of Indian soldiers 'unpardonable' act, says Army chief General Bikram Singh
Talking tough ahead of the Indo-Pak flag meeting, Army chief General Bikram Singh on Monday slammed Pakistan for torture and beheading of Indian soldiers on January 8.

* India reserves right to retaliate against Pakistan at time and place of its choice; won't remain passive when attacked: Army Chief

* Pak attack was 'pre-planned': Army chief

* The Indian Army Commanders at the Line of Control (LoC) doing a 'great job', Army Chief

* Army chief slams Pak for torture, beheading of Indian soldiers

* Pak has violated 'ethics' of warfare: Gen Vikram Singh

* Army expects its commanders to be aggressive and offensive, will uphold ceasefire as long as it is done by Pakistan: Army Chief

* Army chief tags torture as 'most unpardonable' act

* Army remains relevant instrument of power to promote India's aspirations: Gen Singh


*India's response to Pakistani firing at its posts in LoC in J and K is measured and perfect: Gen Singh

* Return of severed head of Indian soldier Hemraj to be taken up at govt level via the diplomatic channel: Gen Singh


* Directions given to Army commanders to respond immediately if provoked: Gen Singh


* Beheading of two Indian soldiers in Pak Army attack unacceptable, against all rules of engagement: Gen Singh

* We did not provoke Pakistan to attack, neither did we initiate the violence: Gen Singh

* Pakistan is spreading lies: Gen Bikram Singh

* We should not dilute AFSPA in J and K; AFSPA is an enabler for Army in conflict situations: Gen Singh

* Pakistan must return the mortal remains of the Indian soldier: Gen Singh

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby chaanakya » 14 Jan 2013 13:04

k prasad wrote:This 'clarification' by Singh about what Browne said seems interesting. Does anyone else here sense a subtle jockeying among the forces for prominence in terms of possible response? Or could also be MoD trying to keep their feet on both boats and defuse the situation.

I for one found it very very interesting that the first Chief of Staff conference was by Browne and not Singh.

Waiting for what the Navy Chief will say now ;-)


I feel the same. Chief talks too much and forced to respond after COAS statements.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Roperia » 14 Jan 2013 13:47

Video - If provoked, we will retaliate, says Army Chief Gen Bikram Singh

India won't remain passive if attacked: Army chief

Talking tough, he said the killing of two Indian soldiers on the LoC in Mendhar area of Jammu and Kashmir on January 6 was a pre-planned and pre-meditated action by Pakistani troops and India reserves the right to retaliate at "time and place of its choice".

Regarding the Chindu story, that all this was caused by an aggressive Indian commander, the CoAS said “I expect all my commanders at the Line of Control to be both aggressive and offensive in the face of provocation and fire."

"Goli nahi marenge saale ko, keh ke lenge!" :)

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby sum » 14 Jan 2013 14:24

Regarding the Chindu story, that all this was caused by an aggressive Indian commander, the CoAS said “I expect all my commanders at the Line of Control to be both aggressive and offensive in the face of provocation and fire."

This is a grave violation of humanity and human rights of TSP-ians and their assorted pigs trying to cross over peacefully into India.

How can the chief condone such behaviour when we should be showing the other cheek when TSPA folks fire on us? P.Swami, A.Shukla and Saikatt should write a joint article protesting this travesty of a statement which might damage our fragile peace relations.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby member_20453 » 14 Jan 2013 15:09

k prasad wrote:This 'clarification' by Singh about what Browne said seems interesting. Does anyone else here sense a subtle jockeying among the forces for prominence in terms of possible response? Or could also be MoD trying to keep their feet on both boats and defuse the situation.

I for one found it very very interesting that the first Chief of Staff conference was by Browne and not Singh.

Waiting for what the Navy Chief will say now ;-)


Navy chief would hopefully like to give the Pukis a taste of the Brahmos, I am soo eagerly waiting for the firszt Brahmos kill, time to sink the 5 or so key ships that constitute their Navy :rotfl:

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby SSridhar » 14 Jan 2013 16:24

abhishek_sharma wrote:Headlines Today ‏@HeadlinesToday
Gen Bikram Singh: Siachen is important to us and we must to continue to hold it

Those who have been advocating Indian withdrawal from Siachen have to recognize, at least now, what TSPA is up to. Keeping peace along the LoC is also an agreement, isn't it ? But, if Kargil does not teach them anything, this too will not. If the clueless, dumb and dimwith dhimmi political class pushes IA too far, there may be consequences that the country will face.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby SSridhar » 14 Jan 2013 16:46

India-Pak flag meeting fails
The Brigade-level flag meeting between Indian and Pakistani authorities at Chakan Da Bagh near the Line of Control in Poonch on Monday afternoon ended without any breakthrough.

Official sources revealed to The Hindu that the meeting on the Zero Line between Commander of the 10th Brigade, Brig. T.S. Sandhu and his Pakistani counterpart, lasted just 15 minutes. The two were joined by over a dozen of the field commanders from the two sides.

Brig. Sandhu is understood to have conveyed India ’s deep outrage over the brutal killing of two soldiers of the 13 Rajputana Rifles regiment, allegedly by a joint Border Action Team of Pakistan’s 29 Baloch regiment commandos and militants of Lashkar-e-Taiba, near Chattri post in Mendhar area of Poonch on January 8, 2013.

Brig. Sandhu made it clear to the other side that India reserved the “right to retaliate” until there was publicly an apology besides returning of the severed head of Lance Naik Hemraj and the weapons looted from the two slain soldiers, the sources said. He also demanded an assurance that there would be no repeat of such an “unprecedented and unprofessional heinous act” and made it clear that the Indian Army would respond to such a violation of the November 2003 ceasefire with “appropriate and quick response”, they added.


It was not immediately clear as to what was the response from the other side.

Sources said that, contrary to expectations, there was no discussion on restoration of cross-LoC trade and travel that remains suspended since January 10. As many as 65 trucks loaded with perishables have been returned to Poonch and Rajouri and over a hundred passengers have been stranded on either side of the LoC in the Jammu-Poonch sector on the Indian side and the Hajeera-Rawalakote area across the border.

Cross-LoC travel is handled on Mondays and trade on the four following days at Chakan Da Bagh in Jammu and Salamabad, Uri, in Kashmir valley. However, the skirmishes since January 6, when a Pakistani soldier reportedly died in the Indian retaliation across Charonda village, trade and travel operation has not got disrupted on Srinagar-Uri-Muzaffarbad route.

Brig. Sandhu proceeded to the district headquarters without speaking to the media on his return from the Trade Facilitation Centre at Chakan Da Bagh. Unconfirmed reports said that he drove all the way to the Rajouri-based headquarters of the 25 Division where the Divisional Commander would hold a meeting with all brigade commanders of the Poonch-Rajouri belt.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby chetak » 14 Jan 2013 17:01

abhishek_sharma wrote:Headlines Today ‏@HeadlinesToday
Gen Bikram Singh: Siachen is important to us and we must to continue to hold it


He has turned out to be a great disappointment to mms and gang. :D

He also mentioned AFSPA which he said was not to be removed.

The military is seriously drawing red lines publicly and no amount of aman ki tamasha is going to change this.

shooklaw (up for padmashri??) and others of his traitorous ilk are there to simply give an acceptable "military face" to the silly position that mms and gang have taken up.

The present GOI will not be able to handle the firece public outcry if any sly compromise is made by mms. kurshit has been brought in for some presently unfathomable purpose. The powers that be are presently eyetalian, sikh, xtain as defence, other desert religions in various positions of power like MEA, etc and going by recent past record, the supreme national interest of India is not their aim or objective.

No wonder the pakis are emboldened to try all sorts of tricks. Something is seriously afoot and is tied to the amreki withdrawal from afghanistan and the time lines beyond and baluchistan has just come under president's rule? The s#it has hit the fan after kerry has entered the picture. The chinese factor is also not clear right now.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Prabu » 14 Jan 2013 17:34

chetak wrote:
abhishek_sharma wrote:Headlines Today ‏@HeadlinesToday
Gen Bikram Singh: Siachen is important to us and we must to continue to hold it


He has turned out to be a great disappointment to mms and gang. :D

He also mentioned AFSPA which he said was not to be removed.

The military is seriously drawing red lines publicly and no amount of aman ki tamasha is going to change this.



It is very nice ot know that the Army chief is holding the RED lines against the GOI on Siachen and AFSPA.
Fighting Militancy is a matter of life and death. Politicians at the comfort of Air conditioned, cushioned Arm chairs can talk any thing !! Imagine the situation where even these AFSPA is removed, then what morale our jawans will have to fight militancy ?? :roll:
Equally would be giving up Siachin !! It is very hard fought battle. We sacrified so many precious life to get there. vacating Siachin would amounts to Giving it back to pakis !!! :roll:

I hope good sense prevail with GOI !!

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Ghatotkacha » 14 Jan 2013 18:38

Roperia wrote:Video - If provoked, we will retaliate, says Army Chief Gen Bikram Singh

India won't remain passive if attacked: Army chief

Talking tough, he said the killing of two Indian soldiers on the LoC in Mendhar area of Jammu and Kashmir on January 6 was a pre-planned and pre-meditated action by Pakistani troops and India reserves the right to retaliate at "time and place of its choice".

Regarding the Chindu story, that all this was caused by an aggressive Indian commander, the CoAS said “I expect all my commanders at the Line of Control to be both aggressive and offensive in the face of provocation and fire."

"Goli nahi marenge saale ko, keh ke lenge!" :)


:rotfl: Nicely put.

Finally, some nice news after depressing behavior shown by mms and co. Hopefully, Gen. BK Singh is not stifled by MMS and other "aman ki asha" people after what he has said.

Lets see what Ajai Sukla and TheHindu has to say now, after their misinformation campaign has proved flat lie.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby SaiK » 14 Jan 2013 19:36

I would expect everything is already done, and not reported. Who cares about DDM and Babooze. Get the job done, and the news never appear. FINE!.. all we need is a confirmed chaiwala telling us the stories some time very suitable for sharing such news. An evidence by photos / camera phones would be something for a party time.

There is no point relying on the administration who think pakistan just like us. This is not an enemy we are dealing with.. this is a colossal virus like creatures that needs extermination.

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Postby Pratyush » 14 Jan 2013 20:01

FM still speaking of piss process onleee.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby chaanakya » 14 Jan 2013 20:03

From the Press Conference and his body language I got the feeling that. he is Batoon Ka Sher( Vakk Veer) only.

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Postby SaiK » 14 Jan 2013 20:03

Even a barking dog at helm is better than a dead lion. At times of emergency, a bite at the very least is an option.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby suryag » 14 Jan 2013 20:06

Gen.Singh is just paying lip service - this statement "we will retaliate at a place and time of our choosing" can be interpreted both ways, hope the chief takes the morale of his men into consideration before making any decision.

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Postby chaanakya » 14 Jan 2013 20:10


d at least two similar incidents had take place before – one in 2012 and another in 2011. The incidents were underplayed then and only some unconfirmed reports surfaced.


That means this UPA is not serious about this beheading business and probably used this to divert heat away from gangrape which was to divert attention away from NaMo.
These idiots were keeping silence over previous incidents. AT least Cpt Kalia case happened during Kargil war. This was supposedly when these idiots badly wanted to talk to pakis

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby RoyG » 14 Jan 2013 20:14

I agree. Nothing will happen. His statement is like releasing a pressure valve. 1-2 weeks from now all will hunky dory. Theek Hai?

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Prem Kumar » 14 Jan 2013 21:18

I am not sure what to make out of the Chief's press conference: Hawk or Dove?

Per the TOI report:

India reserves the right to retaliate at "time and place of its choice"


and
On any response to the Pakistani action, he said it has to be the decision of the government :(


Per LiveFist, the following message was conveyed at the Flag meeting:

It was conveyed in no uncertain terms that repetition of such acts will not be tolerated and the Indian Army reserves the right to retaliate at the place and time of our own choosing in case they recur.


I am happy that FirstPost is calling him a dove. Even if he is not, this sort of media pressure is exactly what's needed.

And yes, Bikram Singh did take the sting out of Browne's statement, which was uncalled for. Even if there is some inter-services rivalry, this was not the time or place to air it. One suspects GOI's hand in this. Its clear Browne's statement didnt have UPA's blessing

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Postby Chinmayanand » 14 Jan 2013 21:26

Prem Kumar wrote:Per LiveFist, the following message was conveyed at the Flag meeting:

It was conveyed in no uncertain terms that repetition of such acts will not be tolerated and the Indian Army reserves the right to retaliate at the place and time of our own choosing in case they recur.




Repetition of such acts will not be tolerated but this one has been tolerated and forgiven. Does it mean this ? :eek:

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Prem Kumar » 14 Jan 2013 21:30

I hope not, but I've to admit Bikram Singh's statements were a KLPD

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby RoyG » 14 Jan 2013 21:33

why is it so hard for us to see the truth. nothing will happen. we did the the same thing after 11/26.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Prem Kumar » 14 Jan 2013 22:22

RoyG: we are not talking about Eunuch UPA, but about the Army Chief. These are his early days. This is one of his first leadership tests. So he is being judged by his actions & words.

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Postby jamwal » 14 Jan 2013 22:29

This guy got the job because of his relations with MaunMohan. What else do you expect him to behave like ?

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Sanku » 14 Jan 2013 22:40

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/if-he ... 130114.htm

If Hemraj's head not returned, get 10 of theirs: Swaraj

"If his (Hemraj's) head could not be brought back (from Pakistan), we should get at least 10 heads from there side," Swaraj told reporters here after visiting Hemraj's family along with party president Nitin Gadkari [ Images ] and leader Rajnath Singh.

"The question is: will we sit without any reaction and engage in a dialogue? This should not happen. At least the government should react in some way. That is why we have said that the government should take some tough measures," she said.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Philip » 14 Jan 2013 22:58

MY assessment of the Army Chief's speech? I only wish that he had "barked" with his artillery and rocket launchers instead of the long-winded speech threatening dire consequences ad nauseum,just like his political bosses.ACM Browne's hard-hitting statement carried far more menace in it.

I have these words of wisdom for the Army Chief.Remember Chairman Mao,who said that " a loud fart is better than a long speech".In fact in this spat with Pak,it is Pak who have "farted" by beheading our valiant soldiers and India that under the spineless leadership of "pimps for peace",who haves succumbed to terror-time and time again and has found no answer other than dropping its dhoti,bending over and getting rogered!


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