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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby ramana » 24 Jan 2013 04:01

On the recent events in Kashmir,

Prasad wrote:So MMS squealed only when the army chief told nuh-uh ?
http://www.sunday-guardian.com/investig ... his-stance


A datapoint that Gen Bikram Singh stood his ground.

Need more confirmation on MMS action.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Brando » 24 Jan 2013 04:41

Sanku wrote:Social media Zindabad. Internet amar rahe, people to people contact in the real sense of the word.


I wouldn't be so eager to salute the power of "social media" just yet. Social media played a hand in how this story played out but as the reporter himself says - Social media has no filter and can be reckless, where as News organizations are accountable.

In a tense and volatile situation like India - Pakistan tensions, the "amar" social media can escalate a relatively small skirmish into a something far more dangerous purely based on speculation and rumors. In India we might have a civilian and military command that "waits" for the facts but a aggressive/nervous/reckless Pakistani commander could easily fall prey to rumors and do something precipitous. Also, across the border the term "non-combatant" doesn't really apply and the hoards of "illegal combatants" could decide to show their "devotion" and try to find "matrydom" against Indian military, civilian or government targets, escalating tense situations.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Sanku » 24 Jan 2013 12:04

Brando wrote: where as News organizations are accountable.


:rotfl:

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Aditya_V » 24 Jan 2013 12:14

Sanku wrote:
Brando wrote: where as News organizations are accountable.


:rotfl:


Yes yes for Grandmother crossing story etc etc. Truth is the Indian Media has now been proved liers and not workign for the interests of the nation that they are no longer trustworthy and fully compromised, unless some radical shift takes place, social media is the only hope.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby member_22019 » 24 Jan 2013 13:43

Gurinder P wrote:Err, the global economy has been a mess since 2008, due to the banking clans fubars in the West.


This is fraud to say that our economy is in dire straits due to banking failure in west. Why are you deliberately not mentioning the series of hyper scams!!! The amount lost in each scam is so gigantic which can transform our armed forces completely. The banking sector failure was first forecasted by Raghu Raman in 2005 and then by Nouriel Roubini in 2006. What steps did our economist PM took to control the damage here!!! Inflation in food prices, specially with protein items, have gone so high that it has deprived the masses of proper nutritution. Will you blame the food price rise to world conditions? Can you compare the rise in the prices of groceries in USA and India in last 9 years? Why the countries which directly faced the banking failure are suffering less from rise in food prices compared to India? MMS has himself accepted that he could not control the inflation, now he must tell why he could not. If he is really honest, he must break his silence about the reasons which prevented him from taking corrective actions.

Gurinder P wrote:How can India become strong with gridlocks and lack luster trunk routes between cities? The GOI has been trying to fix those short comings, and the Nuclear Deal with America and Canada will provide India with great expansion with electricity for starters.


The infrastructure initiative was taken by ABV, not by MMS. MMS has not done anything significant to improve the infra. Still the grains are getting rotten in open. No vision for storage, just a quick fix to allow wal mart to build storage for us. MMS didn't take step to improve storage. All the highway programs are being handed over to private companies for very high prices. These companies are extracting a huge amount as toll from us. If GOI is already taking road tax, fuel tax and so many taxes, what is the need of toll!!!

Gurinder P wrote:As for the military and defense, how can you say India is at a disadvantage against a third world country like pakistan? When the tiger is ready to be unleashed against the dragon. India has the Sukhoi's to decimate the paki 16's, India has cutting edge AWACS that look inside Pakistan while never crossing the border, India has the Arjun to take on the Al Khalid and the other tin canned armour that pakistan employs. The MLRS batteries will strike Pakistani with great vengeance, that God itself will take notice. And finally, the Indian Navy, the pride of the Indian Ocean, can by itself bring Pakistan to its knees by choking the neck of Pakistans lifeline (Karachi). Procurement processes take time now, because of the massive corruptions that took place in the 80's. This is to ensure that the forces get the best possible equipment for the best price, and that the India Economy can grow a bit by having production on Indian soil.


So after being so much superior to porkistan militarily, why are we never fully ready to start a limited war? Please enlighten me if we are able to do flash strike on terror camps on the other side of border?
Why is Arjun not being inducted in big numbers? Why people with tainted record are being given highest of the positions in armed forces?
Why have porkis sucessfully recieved block 52 with BVRs, if world is so much pissed off with them? MMS has failed India politically, diplomatically, economically and militarily.

Gurinder P wrote:I am a supporter of MMS and I also take the non supporters opinions as well. I don't take so well bigoted comments, like the guy that said that MMS should go back to Pakistan. I totally agree with MMS not being a charismatic leader that is needed when crisis happens. If MMS is not the PM India wants, go to the polls and vote him out, heck call a referendum.


I was a supporter of mms but not anymore. The bigoted comments are because of his own abysmal performance as PM and people frustration against him. This is not just his policy failures, this is his mute and coward behaviour that I can compare him to Dhritrashtra only.
He is anyway not the next PM. He has served enough to their masters.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Aditya_V » 24 Jan 2013 19:02

Ot but one more point, If MMS wanted to be honest elected by People PM, He should have contested in the Lok Sabha, not through Back door.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Sagar G » 24 Jan 2013 19:15

Sanku wrote:
Brando wrote: where as News organizations are accountable.


:rotfl:


Thank you Sanku ji for doing the needful.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby ramana » 24 Jan 2013 23:23

Rohitvats,
Help me understand the modus operandi of how the patrol got ambushed? Was the mission of the patrol counter-infiltration i.e. interdict infiltrators? Or was it to check if the fence is breached etc?

If so how do you do area domination with a six man patrol of whom two scouts are sent ahead. How far were the rest of the patrol?

Wasnt Lt Kalia's party also six man patrol that got ambushed and tortured and killed?

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby chetak » 26 Jan 2013 17:42

Kayani’s game plan



Brig Arun Bajpai, Jan 25, 2013:

Pak army’s new strategy: Of late Pakistan army has been looking for an excuse or an event that can facilitate escalation of violence along LoC.

Despite Pakistani denials, let us not be in any doubt that the recent ambushing and mutilation of two soldiers of Indian army in Mendhar Sector of Poonch in absolute foggy conditions on the morning of January 8 was a preplanned action by the 29 Baloch Regiment of the Pakistani SSG Group with an aim to escalate the violence along the 770 km long LoC in J&K and send India a message.

Of late Pakistan army has been looking for an excuse or an event that can facilitate escalation of violence along LoC. They found this in the recent visit of the Pakistani interior minister Rehman Malik to India. Under intense public pressure, India during this visit had raised the issue of torture and beheading of late Capt Saurabh Kalia in May 1999 by the same regiment of Pakistan.

Rehman Malik made light of this case amounting to mockery of India’s sentiments resulting in adverse public opinion. Realising that repeat of this incident at this stage will escalate India-Pakistan tensions many fold, Pakistani army planned this operation. Army chief Gen Bikram Singh is right in his recent statement that this was a premeditated action by Pakistan army.

The big question is, Pakistan which is a bankrupt country living on US doles and beset by internal strife and terror related attacks leading to an average of 3,000 people getting killed every year as also a very volatile western border with Afghanistan, why does it want to destabilise its comparatively quiet eastern border with India? This question has perplexed many analysts but knowing Pakistan army and ISI this is exactly how the Pakistani generals operate. They are working on a well planned strategy.

Just six months back, with Americans having killed 24 Pakistani soldiers on Durand Line and US-Pakistan relations at their worst nadir, Gen Kayani was all for peace with India. He made a specific call to India to settle Siachin dispute amicably after 135 Pakistani soldiers got killed in an avalanche there last year. It was with the blessings of the Pakistani army that Indo-Pak peace process once again started chugging along.

Things however have changed since then. Obama has been reelected as American president. He has more or less publicly acknowledged that the American Afghanistan policy has failed. Now he wants to withdraw post haste from Afghanistan by 2014 without leaving behind any residual troops. Towards this end Pakistan has been restored the $ 3 billion dollar American aid.

War material

The withdrawing American troops with their heavy war equipment have to pass through the Durand line and Pakistan. They will definitely be attacked by Taliban all along with the aim that they leave behind this war material and do not ever come back to Afghanistan again. Pakistan is a party to this plan.

However the 1.4 lakh Pakistani troops stationed on Durand Line at the American behest and being paid for by the Americans are required to stop this from happening. But then if the LoC gets activated on the eastern border of Pakistan with India, giving an excuse to Pakistan to withdraw bulk of its troops from its western border of Afghanistan to Indian border in national interest blaming India, two birds will be killed with one stone.

Gen Kayani, who is already on an unprecedented 3-year extension in Pakistan army’s history is retiring in September this year. Along with him three of the top corps commanders of Pakistan army out of its 11 corps commanders are also retiring. This will create a big void in Pakistan army’s hierarchy.

Kayani cannot get another extension now because the junior crops commanders are seething with rage for being denied promotion. However if a war like situation gets created in the Indian borders then it is a different matter and nobody will deny Kayani an extension.

Pakistan is facing the general elections in a few months from now. Pakistan army does not want the current PPP government in power to come back because twice this government tried to cut them to size. The other major player Nawaz Sharif and his party PQML (Nawaz) is suspect in the eyes of the army because it was Pakistani army which not only dethroned Nawaz Sharif in a coup but also exiled him from the country for seven years.

Pakistan army along with fundamentalist parties will like the new comer Imran Khan with his Tehriq-e-Insaf party to win. This will be a puppet regime for the army to play as they please. For this to happen Pakistan army must create a tense situation along Indian border to earn the good will of the people of Pakistan. Incidentally both PPP and Nawaz Sharif wanting peace with India is anathema to army.

It is good that the Indian government has not fallen to this Pakistani trap by over reacting to the border incident. It is also a sensible approach by the current UPA government in power that it has laid out clear policy for Indian army to settle scores with Pakistan army at the LoC by reacting to any provocation by them with a suitable offensive action in a graded professional manner while the government itself is offering carrots.

This will ensure that the Pakistan army will have to pay a heavy price on the border for any mischief and the morale of Indian army will remain high. At the same time the civilian government of Pakistan has been left with the option, should they pick courage, to confront their army.


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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby parshuram » 26 Jan 2013 18:12

Does Rudra fits in Kargil like operations where Mi 17 was found to more vulernable considering it was big target and slower in response to stingers.

Or is Rudra only meant for Plains

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby member_23455 » 26 Jan 2013 19:27

parshuram wrote:Does Rudra fits in Kargil like operations where Mi 17 was found to more vulernable considering it was big target and slower in response to stingers.

Or is Rudra only meant for Plains


It would definitely be a step-up on the Mi-17 provided HAL's claims of operating at those altitudes are borne out by the user.

But as the Americans found out the hard way during Operation Anaconda with their Apaches and later in Gulf War II, even gunships are too low and slow against infantry/irregular forces trained to shoot down aircraft with RPGs, leave alone MANPADS.

As important as the machines are the tactics - avoiding day attacks, avoiding "funnelled" airspace, operating in hunter-killer pairs like Wild Weasels do in SEAD and how the Russians used the Frogfoot/Hind combination later in their war in Afghanistan.

Makes the case for the Army to have certain fixed wing capability of its own but that's a whole Pandora's box :roll: - but maybe one that needs to be opened in case we wish to give the Chinese a bloody nose in the Himalayas.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby parshuram » 26 Jan 2013 19:42

Thanks Rajit,

I would like to put Appache(Heavy) in different class with Rudra(Medium/Lighter). I think Lighter capacity should provide a better manuvering capabilty and agility to douse shoulder fired missiles.
Which is most probably required while operating at those heights .Mi 17 had/was capable of carrying enough firepower during kargil as well.

I think need is to have something is that is fast, flexible even with light but effective firepower

-PSHM

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby chetak » 26 Jan 2013 21:58

This is also a part of the provocation.


Indian prisoner found dead in Pakistan jail


Islamabad: An Indian national, who was about to complete a five-year prison term for alleged involvement in espionage, has died in Lahore, with reports saying that he was "mercilessly beaten" by Pakistani prison staff before his death.

Media reports quoted a Pakistani lawyer named Tehseen Khan, who was recently released from Kot Lakhpat jail, as saying that he had seen prison staff assaulting Chamel Singh for using water from a tap to wash clothes on January 15 and that he died two days later at Jinnah Hospital in Lahore.

However, officials of the Indian High Commission told PTI they had been formally informed by Pakistani authorities that Singh had died in Lahore on January 15.

A note verbale on the matter did not mention the cause of Singh's death.

Khan further alleged that Singh was "mercilessly beaten" by jail staff, who made 'racial remarks against Indians and minorities".

He claimed other Indians in Kot Lakhpat jail, including death row prisoner Sarabjit Singh, faced a "grave threat".

The Pakistani authorities had asked the Indian side to inform Singh's family of his death, Indian officials said.

The information was conveyed to the External Affairs Ministry in Delhi and authorities were awaiting a response from Singh's family on whether his body should be sent back to India or the last rites should be performed in Pakistan.

The Indian officials said they had no information on Singh being allegedly beaten up in the jail.

Singh's body is currently in the mortuary of a state-run hospital in Lahore.

Singh, a resident of Pragwal in Jammu and Kashmir, was arrested and convicted for espionage in Pakistan in 2008.

His family contended he was not involved in spying and had gone missing from his fields on the border with Pakistan in July 2008.

Indian officials said the age given for Singh in media reports was wrong but other particulars were accurate.

Singh was about to complete a five-year prison term. Khan, who was released on January 18, told the media he was jailed after being framed in a case.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby sarabpal.s » 26 Jan 2013 22:21

Mihir wrote:
Surya wrote:well what a surprise!!! This is why we have to crackdown on neo khalistanis - you give an inch they take a few yards

Now a Gurdwara refuses prayers for Lt Gen Ranjit Singh Dayal

http://in.news.yahoo.com/video/gurdwara ... 02690.html

Apparently not

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Didn- ... a/1062819/

“Even if we would have refused anybody, this must have been done, as we receive many requests for bookings. The family has raised an unnecessary controversy. People have no right to defame a religious institution,” he said.

Last year, prayers were held for the late Lt Gen. A langar was also organised in which 500-600 people took part. In case the family approaches us again, we will allow the prayers,” he added.



Well some trigger happy folk here reading it carefully and took care and stop doubt intention of people here.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby shiv » 26 Jan 2013 22:35

parshuram wrote:Does Rudra fits in Kargil like operations where Mi 17 was found to more vulernable considering it was big target and slower in response to stingers.

Or is Rudra only meant for Plains

http://tarmak007.blogspot.in/2012/02/al ... e-hal.html
As per the initial orders, close to 70 Rudras are to be supplied to Indian armed forces. “It has comfortably-exceeded the payload and performance requirements at 6 km height.
<snip>
HAL claims that Rudra is the only attack helicopter in the world which can operate in the higher reaches of the Himalayas with a decent armament load. “The MI-35 is restricted to well below 6000 feet and the newly-acquired Apache will be restricted to below 12,000 feet. This puts the onerous task of defending the Himalayas on Rudra.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Surya » 27 Jan 2013 14:52

The EMPIRE strikes back!!!!

Parnaik rubbishes the pakis throws murkh singhs plans in to the bin

and immediately the always handy Unnithans of the world find some meaty info

communication lines between unnithan and pal on BRF must be down so I step in :mrgreen:

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/nort ... 47777.html

basically accuses Parnaik of taking ownership of land with a false address

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Sanku » 27 Jan 2013 15:05

Surya wrote:The EMPIRE strikes back!!!!

Parnaik rubbishes the pakis throws murkh singhs plans in to the bin

and immediately the always handy Unnithans of the world find some meaty info


Wow!!! Unbelievable.

This is really pathetic.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby rohitvats » 27 Jan 2013 15:18

Surya wrote:The EMPIRE strikes back!!!!

Parnaik rubbishes the pakis throws murkh singhs plans in to the bin

and immediately the always handy Unnithans of the world find some meaty info

<SNIP>


The hit squad is back to work.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby rohitvats » 27 Jan 2013 15:34

I am taking the liberty to post this link here.

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/india-decides-9/major-wins-second-highest-gallantry-award/263153?hp

A matter-of-fact and to the point interview with the recipient of this years Kirti Chakra for CI Ops in valley.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby atreya » 27 Jan 2013 15:47

rohitvats wrote:I am taking the liberty to post this link here.

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/india-decides-9/major-wins-second-highest-gallantry-award/263153?hp

A matter-of-fact and to the point interview with the recipient of this years Kirti Chakra for CI Ops in valley.


I can spot the Combat Diver's badge and the Para Wings badge. Did he take special training or was he part of the Parachute Regiment? If so, how come he is in the Bihar Regiment?

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby rohitvats » 27 Jan 2013 16:11

atreya wrote:
rohitvats wrote:I am taking the liberty to post this link here.

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/india-decides-9/major-wins-second-highest-gallantry-award/263153?hp

A matter-of-fact and to the point interview with the recipient of this years Kirti Chakra for CI Ops in valley.


I can spot the Combat Diver's badge and the Para Wings badge. Did he take special training or was he part of the Parachute Regiment? If so, how come he is in the Bihar Regiment?


How did you miss the Para SF Balidan Badge?

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby member_20317 » 27 Jan 2013 16:31

Amma ji is able to express herself, only haltingly.

Rohitvats ji, does his being major imply that he would be getting out of the exciting stuff soon enough. Then it would all be paper work, two mobiles, lots of driving around and lots of coordination basically the boring (though important) sort of work.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby atreya » 27 Jan 2013 18:07

rohitvats wrote:
How did you miss the Para SF Balidan Badge?


Ooh! You're right :P I completely missed the Balidan badge! So I remain confused :-? Is he a soldier of Bihar Regiment or the Para SF?

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby member_23455 » 27 Jan 2013 20:25

atreya wrote:
rohitvats wrote:
How did you miss the Para SF Balidan Badge?


Ooh! You're right :P I completely missed the Balidan badge! So I remain confused :-? Is he a soldier of Bihar Regiment or the Para SF?


You are aware that those are not mutually exclusive? He could be commissioned in the Bihar Regt., volunteered and qualified for Para SF, and then seconded to RR.

Maybe the clerk who prepared the list should have put in Para SF next to his RR affiliation, but REMFs work in mysterious ways...

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby nelson » 27 Jan 2013 20:50

More probably, it is because Maj Anup Joseph Manjali KC is/was posted in 24 RR which draws its strength from Bihar Regiment. As the news articles suggest he was part of "Sutrun" company of 24th Bn RR (BIHAR), while participating in the operation that got him the KC.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby chaanakya » 27 Jan 2013 20:59

The Word Bihar seems to be raising some heckles here??

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby chaanakya » 27 Jan 2013 21:09

BTW it is a higly decorated Regiment and some of the RR units are part of it.

Regimental Battalions:

1st Battalion
2nd Battalion
3rd Battalion
4th Battalion
5th Battalion
6th Battalion
7th Battalion
8th Battalion
9th Battalion
10th Battalion
11th Battalion
12th Battalion
14th Battalion
15th Battalion
16th Battalion
17th Battalion
18th Battalion
19th Battalion
20th Battalion
21st Battalion
4 RR Battalion
24 RR Battalion
47 RR Battalion

And RR means here Rashtriya Rifles , which is extensively deployed in J&K for COIN operations.


Major Anup Joseph Manjali (Bihar Regiment) was the recipient of the Kirti Chakra for his daring action while fighting foreign militants in Jammu and Kashmir on September 30 last year.


KIRTI CHAKRA

1. IC-67270F MAJ ANUP JOSEPH MANJALI, BIHAR, RR


From Wiki.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby rohitvats » 27 Jan 2013 21:22

nelson wrote:More probably, it is because Maj Anup Joseph Manjali KC is/was posted in 24 RR which draws its strength from Bihar Regiment. As the news articles suggest he was part of "Sutrun" company of 24th Bn RR (BIHAR), while participating in the operation that got him the KC.


Well, gentlemen, the confusion is because if he is presently part of RR, he would have been sporting RR Cap badge and shoulder title...but the video shows him with Bihar Regiment cap and badge. Which is a bit out of norm - norm as we (or rather I) know it. From what I know, officers who have opted for SF from their regiments, do not revert back or rotate through their parent infantry regiments.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby chaanakya » 27 Jan 2013 21:38

Officers always retain their regimental identity irrespective of their deployment or secondment. They can always be posted back to their own regiments upto Brigade level. In Para , one can volunteer as most of Special Forces do provided one qualifies and passes out of Training. Pass Percentage is quite low.
At least that is what I understand.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby nelson » 27 Jan 2013 21:44

As a matter of fact, all officers commissioned in PARA SF are alloted parent infantry regiments, should they fail the SF probation. Also officers can get back to their parent regiments after their stint in SF battalions, for medical reasons or otherwise. The manning policy as contained in demi-offical website of PARA regiment refers.

http://www.indianparachuteregiment.kar. ... fare.htm#a

As far as Maj Anup Joseph Manjali KC is concerned, two points above are facts. Firstly, he is presently in Bihar Regiment as is evident from the video posted above. Secondly the citation of Maj Anup's Kirti Chakra reads he was part of 24 RR(BIHAR) during the action cited therein.

http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=787994

Let us not speculate about his stint in PARA SF. Sure enough we will get to know more about him in the days to come, at least on BRF.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby chaanakya » 27 Jan 2013 21:49

And he belongs to Malad (W)

Probably a Mumbaikar in a Bihar Regiment. Think of it. :)

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby rohitvats » 27 Jan 2013 21:54

chaanakya wrote:Officers always retain their regimental identity irrespective of their deployment or secondment. They can always be posted back to their own regiments upto Brigade level. In Para , one can volunteer as most of Special Forces do provided one qualifies and passes out of Training. Pass Percentage is quite low.
At least that is what I understand.


There are two routes for officers to get in Para SF - one is from Academy and other is when they are already in service. In first case, the officer is given a parent regiment to go to should he not pass the SF Probation...in second case, they already have a parent regiment. However, once an officer has qualified as Para SF, he joins one of the SF Battalions and DOES NOT revert to his parent regiment. This system is different from what some other countries follow - like SAS of British or even SSG of PA. There, the officers revert back to their parent regiment after serving in their SF for a predefined period.

Since we do not have this revert system (AFAIK), hence, the confusion. However, this is not the only time I've seen such a situation - there is another video on NDTV of JLW in Belgaum which has a Colonel with Para SF Balidan badge but wearing a cap sporting the insignia of J&K Rifles.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby rohitvats » 27 Jan 2013 21:59

nelson wrote:As a matter of fact, all officers commissioned in PARA SF are alloted parent infantry regiments, should they fail the SF probation.

Which does not apply to what we are discussing.

Also officers can get back to their parent regiments after their stint in SF battalions, for medical reasons or otherwise.

Like I said earlier, I'm not aware of officers reverting back to their parent regiment (if they had one) under NORMAL circumstances. LMC and other extraneous factors is a different thing. We don't know why he is with Bihar Regiment. May be, some new policy with respect to rotation.

As far as Maj Anup Joseph Manjali KC is concerned, two points above are facts. Firstly, he is presently in Bihar Regiment as is evident from the video posted above. Secondly the citation of Maj Anup's Kirti Chakra reads he was part of 24 RR(BIHAR) during the action cited therein.

Yes, it is understood. But it still does not explain why he is with Bihar Regiment.

Let us not speculate about his stint in PARA SF. Sure enough we will get to know more about him in the days to come, at least on BRF.

I don't think anyone is...we're simply trying to understand, what to me at least, seems like a new development. It is quite likely that we have a new policy in place of rotation or reverting back to parent regiments. Will help to create a larger pool of SF officers.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby nelson » 27 Jan 2013 22:24

Quite possible. As per this article Maj Manjali KC was commissioned in 12 BIHAR.

http://www.statetimes.in/news/maj-manja ... n-command/

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby atreya » 27 Jan 2013 22:34

Yes rohitvats, I have the same doubt. I re-checked before posting too, from the available information and past discussions of BR, Para SF is a permanent posting and not a deputation. And then, the next question arises if Para SF soldiers can be deputed to RR. There is a Para battalion affiliated to RR, but does it have SF soldiers in too?

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Sanku » 27 Jan 2013 23:07

He has a BIHAR tag on his shoulder, it seems that he still serves with BIHAR primarily.

Is there a scheme by which Para trained officers can return to their native regiment, AFAIK there was an option to go back.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby member_23455 » 28 Jan 2013 12:12

Needs of the service/individual regiment can lead to exceptions. That he was commissioned as a Bihar Regt. officer is clear. He went on to Para SF to get "double badged". From then on a stint with RR/Bihar Regt. battalion redesignated as RR has followed.

In the murkier world of "Black" SF there are lots of Special Group/SFF, Special Group/1 Para, "*Battalion/SFF" folks floating around including some Intelligence Guys on attachment to SF units.

Had Vishnu Som displayed the journalistic eye for detail of BR folks this could have formed the basis for a few intelligent questions rather than the "rock band groupie" style of the interview. But like Rajiv Ranjan on NDTV India at least their misguided passion is in a good cause! :wink:

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby rohitvats » 28 Jan 2013 12:17

^^^Special Group AKA 22 SF recruits from across the board in IA - including Para SF. And the officers and men revert back to their parent units/regiments after attachment. So, even * Para SF guy will go back to his parent SF Battalion.

- waiting for "you-know-who" to come after me.... :mrgreen: :P :mrgreen:

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Kapil » 28 Jan 2013 13:09

There was an experiment a few years back where SF officers were sent on attachment to their parent regiment Bns in order to transfer skills and learning.It's a win win for all.
Maybe it's still on? And maybe a capsule session went 'live' here

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby sum » 28 Jan 2013 13:39

In the murkier world of "Black" SF there are lots of Special Group/SFF, Special Group/1 Para, "*Battalion/SFF" folks floating around including some Intelligence Guys on attachment to SF units.

Intelligence guys serving in SF as in MI folks or Kaccha folk?


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