A datapoint that Gen Bikram Singh stood his ground.Prasad wrote:So MMS squealed only when the army chief told nuh-uh ?
http://www.sunday-guardian.com/investig ... his-stance
Need more confirmation on MMS action.
A datapoint that Gen Bikram Singh stood his ground.Prasad wrote:So MMS squealed only when the army chief told nuh-uh ?
http://www.sunday-guardian.com/investig ... his-stance
I wouldn't be so eager to salute the power of "social media" just yet. Social media played a hand in how this story played out but as the reporter himself says - Social media has no filter and can be reckless, where as News organizations are accountable.Sanku wrote: Social media Zindabad. Internet amar rahe, people to people contact in the real sense of the word.
Brando wrote: where as News organizations are accountable.
Yes yes for Grandmother crossing story etc etc. Truth is the Indian Media has now been proved liers and not workign for the interests of the nation that they are no longer trustworthy and fully compromised, unless some radical shift takes place, social media is the only hope.Sanku wrote:Brando wrote: where as News organizations are accountable.
This is fraud to say that our economy is in dire straits due to banking failure in west. Why are you deliberately not mentioning the series of hyper scams!!! The amount lost in each scam is so gigantic which can transform our armed forces completely. The banking sector failure was first forecasted by Raghu Raman in 2005 and then by Nouriel Roubini in 2006. What steps did our economist PM took to control the damage here!!! Inflation in food prices, specially with protein items, have gone so high that it has deprived the masses of proper nutritution. Will you blame the food price rise to world conditions? Can you compare the rise in the prices of groceries in USA and India in last 9 years? Why the countries which directly faced the banking failure are suffering less from rise in food prices compared to India? MMS has himself accepted that he could not control the inflation, now he must tell why he could not. If he is really honest, he must break his silence about the reasons which prevented him from taking corrective actions.Gurinder P wrote:Err, the global economy has been a mess since 2008, due to the banking clans fubars in the West.
The infrastructure initiative was taken by ABV, not by MMS. MMS has not done anything significant to improve the infra. Still the grains are getting rotten in open. No vision for storage, just a quick fix to allow wal mart to build storage for us. MMS didn't take step to improve storage. All the highway programs are being handed over to private companies for very high prices. These companies are extracting a huge amount as toll from us. If GOI is already taking road tax, fuel tax and so many taxes, what is the need of toll!!!Gurinder P wrote: How can India become strong with gridlocks and lack luster trunk routes between cities? The GOI has been trying to fix those short comings, and the Nuclear Deal with America and Canada will provide India with great expansion with electricity for starters.
So after being so much superior to porkistan militarily, why are we never fully ready to start a limited war? Please enlighten me if we are able to do flash strike on terror camps on the other side of border?Gurinder P wrote: As for the military and defense, how can you say India is at a disadvantage against a third world country like pakistan? When the tiger is ready to be unleashed against the dragon. India has the Sukhoi's to decimate the paki 16's, India has cutting edge AWACS that look inside Pakistan while never crossing the border, India has the Arjun to take on the Al Khalid and the other tin canned armour that pakistan employs. The MLRS batteries will strike Pakistani with great vengeance, that God itself will take notice. And finally, the Indian Navy, the pride of the Indian Ocean, can by itself bring Pakistan to its knees by choking the neck of Pakistans lifeline (Karachi). Procurement processes take time now, because of the massive corruptions that took place in the 80's. This is to ensure that the forces get the best possible equipment for the best price, and that the India Economy can grow a bit by having production on Indian soil.
I was a supporter of mms but not anymore. The bigoted comments are because of his own abysmal performance as PM and people frustration against him. This is not just his policy failures, this is his mute and coward behaviour that I can compare him to Dhritrashtra only.Gurinder P wrote: I am a supporter of MMS and I also take the non supporters opinions as well. I don't take so well bigoted comments, like the guy that said that MMS should go back to Pakistan. I totally agree with MMS not being a charismatic leader that is needed when crisis happens. If MMS is not the PM India wants, go to the polls and vote him out, heck call a referendum.
Thank you Sanku ji for doing the needful.Sanku wrote:Brando wrote: where as News organizations are accountable.
Brig Arun Bajpai, Jan 25, 2013:
Pak army’s new strategy: Of late Pakistan army has been looking for an excuse or an event that can facilitate escalation of violence along LoC.
Despite Pakistani denials, let us not be in any doubt that the recent ambushing and mutilation of two soldiers of Indian army in Mendhar Sector of Poonch in absolute foggy conditions on the morning of January 8 was a preplanned action by the 29 Baloch Regiment of the Pakistani SSG Group with an aim to escalate the violence along the 770 km long LoC in J&K and send India a message.
Of late Pakistan army has been looking for an excuse or an event that can facilitate escalation of violence along LoC. They found this in the recent visit of the Pakistani interior minister Rehman Malik to India. Under intense public pressure, India during this visit had raised the issue of torture and beheading of late Capt Saurabh Kalia in May 1999 by the same regiment of Pakistan.
Rehman Malik made light of this case amounting to mockery of India’s sentiments resulting in adverse public opinion. Realising that repeat of this incident at this stage will escalate India-Pakistan tensions many fold, Pakistani army planned this operation. Army chief Gen Bikram Singh is right in his recent statement that this was a premeditated action by Pakistan army.
The big question is, Pakistan which is a bankrupt country living on US doles and beset by internal strife and terror related attacks leading to an average of 3,000 people getting killed every year as also a very volatile western border with Afghanistan, why does it want to destabilise its comparatively quiet eastern border with India? This question has perplexed many analysts but knowing Pakistan army and ISI this is exactly how the Pakistani generals operate. They are working on a well planned strategy.
Just six months back, with Americans having killed 24 Pakistani soldiers on Durand Line and US-Pakistan relations at their worst nadir, Gen Kayani was all for peace with India. He made a specific call to India to settle Siachin dispute amicably after 135 Pakistani soldiers got killed in an avalanche there last year. It was with the blessings of the Pakistani army that Indo-Pak peace process once again started chugging along.
Things however have changed since then. Obama has been reelected as American president. He has more or less publicly acknowledged that the American Afghanistan policy has failed. Now he wants to withdraw post haste from Afghanistan by 2014 without leaving behind any residual troops. Towards this end Pakistan has been restored the $ 3 billion dollar American aid.
War material
The withdrawing American troops with their heavy war equipment have to pass through the Durand line and Pakistan. They will definitely be attacked by Taliban all along with the aim that they leave behind this war material and do not ever come back to Afghanistan again. Pakistan is a party to this plan.
However the 1.4 lakh Pakistani troops stationed on Durand Line at the American behest and being paid for by the Americans are required to stop this from happening. But then if the LoC gets activated on the eastern border of Pakistan with India, giving an excuse to Pakistan to withdraw bulk of its troops from its western border of Afghanistan to Indian border in national interest blaming India, two birds will be killed with one stone.
Gen Kayani, who is already on an unprecedented 3-year extension in Pakistan army’s history is retiring in September this year. Along with him three of the top corps commanders of Pakistan army out of its 11 corps commanders are also retiring. This will create a big void in Pakistan army’s hierarchy.
Kayani cannot get another extension now because the junior crops commanders are seething with rage for being denied promotion. However if a war like situation gets created in the Indian borders then it is a different matter and nobody will deny Kayani an extension.
Pakistan is facing the general elections in a few months from now. Pakistan army does not want the current PPP government in power to come back because twice this government tried to cut them to size. The other major player Nawaz Sharif and his party PQML (Nawaz) is suspect in the eyes of the army because it was Pakistani army which not only dethroned Nawaz Sharif in a coup but also exiled him from the country for seven years.
Pakistan army along with fundamentalist parties will like the new comer Imran Khan with his Tehriq-e-Insaf party to win. This will be a puppet regime for the army to play as they please. For this to happen Pakistan army must create a tense situation along Indian border to earn the good will of the people of Pakistan. Incidentally both PPP and Nawaz Sharif wanting peace with India is anathema to army.
It is good that the Indian government has not fallen to this Pakistani trap by over reacting to the border incident. It is also a sensible approach by the current UPA government in power that it has laid out clear policy for Indian army to settle scores with Pakistan army at the LoC by reacting to any provocation by them with a suitable offensive action in a graded professional manner while the government itself is offering carrots.
This will ensure that the Pakistan army will have to pay a heavy price on the border for any mischief and the morale of Indian army will remain high. At the same time the civilian government of Pakistan has been left with the option, should they pick courage, to confront their army.
It would definitely be a step-up on the Mi-17 provided HAL's claims of operating at those altitudes are borne out by the user.parshuram wrote:Does Rudra fits in Kargil like operations where Mi 17 was found to more vulernable considering it was big target and slower in response to stingers.
Or is Rudra only meant for Plains
Mihir wrote:Apparently notSurya wrote:well what a surprise!!! This is why we have to crackdown on neo khalistanis - you give an inch they take a few yards
Now a Gurdwara refuses prayers for Lt Gen Ranjit Singh Dayal
http://in.news.yahoo.com/video/gurdwara ... 02690.html
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Didn- ... a/1062819/
“Even if we would have refused anybody, this must have been done, as we receive many requests for bookings. The family has raised an unnecessary controversy. People have no right to defame a religious institution,” he said.
“Last year, prayers were held for the late Lt Gen. A langar was also organised in which 500-600 people took part. In case the family approaches us again, we will allow the prayers,” he added.
http://tarmak007.blogspot.in/2012/02/al ... e-hal.htmlparshuram wrote:Does Rudra fits in Kargil like operations where Mi 17 was found to more vulernable considering it was big target and slower in response to stingers.
Or is Rudra only meant for Plains
As per the initial orders, close to 70 Rudras are to be supplied to Indian armed forces. “It has comfortably-exceeded the payload and performance requirements at 6 km height.
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HAL claims that Rudra is the only attack helicopter in the world which can operate in the higher reaches of the Himalayas with a decent armament load. “The MI-35 is restricted to well below 6000 feet and the newly-acquired Apache will be restricted to below 12,000 feet. This puts the onerous task of defending the Himalayas on Rudra.
Wow!!! Unbelievable.Surya wrote:The EMPIRE strikes back!!!!
Parnaik rubbishes the pakis throws murkh singhs plans in to the bin
and immediately the always handy Unnithans of the world find some meaty info
The hit squad is back to work.Surya wrote:The EMPIRE strikes back!!!!
Parnaik rubbishes the pakis throws murkh singhs plans in to the bin
and immediately the always handy Unnithans of the world find some meaty info
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I can spot the Combat Diver's badge and the Para Wings badge. Did he take special training or was he part of the Parachute Regiment? If so, how come he is in the Bihar Regiment?rohitvats wrote:I am taking the liberty to post this link here.
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/india- ... /263153?hp
A matter-of-fact and to the point interview with the recipient of this years Kirti Chakra for CI Ops in valley.
How did you miss the Para SF Balidan Badge?atreya wrote:I can spot the Combat Diver's badge and the Para Wings badge. Did he take special training or was he part of the Parachute Regiment? If so, how come he is in the Bihar Regiment?rohitvats wrote:I am taking the liberty to post this link here.
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/india- ... /263153?hp
A matter-of-fact and to the point interview with the recipient of this years Kirti Chakra for CI Ops in valley.
Ooh! You're right I completely missed the Balidan badge! So I remain confused Is he a soldier of Bihar Regiment or the Para SF?rohitvats wrote:
How did you miss the Para SF Balidan Badge?
You are aware that those are not mutually exclusive? He could be commissioned in the Bihar Regt., volunteered and qualified for Para SF, and then seconded to RR.atreya wrote:Ooh! You're right I completely missed the Balidan badge! So I remain confused Is he a soldier of Bihar Regiment or the Para SF?rohitvats wrote:
How did you miss the Para SF Balidan Badge?
From Wiki.
Major Anup Joseph Manjali (Bihar Regiment) was the recipient of the Kirti Chakra for his daring action while fighting foreign militants in Jammu and Kashmir on September 30 last year.
KIRTI CHAKRA
1. IC-67270F MAJ ANUP JOSEPH MANJALI, BIHAR, RR
Well, gentlemen, the confusion is because if he is presently part of RR, he would have been sporting RR Cap badge and shoulder title...but the video shows him with Bihar Regiment cap and badge. Which is a bit out of norm - norm as we (or rather I) know it. From what I know, officers who have opted for SF from their regiments, do not revert back or rotate through their parent infantry regiments.nelson wrote:More probably, it is because Maj Anup Joseph Manjali KC is/was posted in 24 RR which draws its strength from Bihar Regiment. As the news articles suggest he was part of "Sutrun" company of 24th Bn RR (BIHAR), while participating in the operation that got him the KC.
There are two routes for officers to get in Para SF - one is from Academy and other is when they are already in service. In first case, the officer is given a parent regiment to go to should he not pass the SF Probation...in second case, they already have a parent regiment. However, once an officer has qualified as Para SF, he joins one of the SF Battalions and DOES NOT revert to his parent regiment. This system is different from what some other countries follow - like SAS of British or even SSG of PA. There, the officers revert back to their parent regiment after serving in their SF for a predefined period.chaanakya wrote:Officers always retain their regimental identity irrespective of their deployment or secondment. They can always be posted back to their own regiments upto Brigade level. In Para , one can volunteer as most of Special Forces do provided one qualifies and passes out of Training. Pass Percentage is quite low.
At least that is what I understand.
nelson wrote:As a matter of fact, all officers commissioned in PARA SF are alloted parent infantry regiments, should they fail the SF probation.
Which does not apply to what we are discussing.
Also officers can get back to their parent regiments after their stint in SF battalions, for medical reasons or otherwise.
Like I said earlier, I'm not aware of officers reverting back to their parent regiment (if they had one) under NORMAL circumstances. LMC and other extraneous factors is a different thing. We don't know why he is with Bihar Regiment. May be, some new policy with respect to rotation.
As far as Maj Anup Joseph Manjali KC is concerned, two points above are facts. Firstly, he is presently in Bihar Regiment as is evident from the video posted above. Secondly the citation of Maj Anup's Kirti Chakra reads he was part of 24 RR(BIHAR) during the action cited therein.
Yes, it is understood. But it still does not explain why he is with Bihar Regiment.
Let us not speculate about his stint in PARA SF. Sure enough we will get to know more about him in the days to come, at least on BRF.
I don't think anyone is...we're simply trying to understand, what to me at least, seems like a new development. It is quite likely that we have a new policy in place of rotation or reverting back to parent regiments. Will help to create a larger pool of SF officers.
Intelligence guys serving in SF as in MI folks or Kaccha folk?In the murkier world of "Black" SF there are lots of Special Group/SFF, Special Group/1 Para, "*Battalion/SFF" folks floating around including some Intelligence Guys on attachment to SF units.