Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Nikhil T » 31 Jan 2013 22:41

ramana wrote:The blame should really go the forces. How many times have the dilly dallied and wasted time by preventing procurements with funds already allotted? Its a annual feature to have the MoD return significant unused funds even after long delayed trials where they want to hit the back side of the moon!


Agreed. RM was crying hoarse about getting additional spending sanctioned by the Parliament post-budget this year, and the MoD hasn't spent its existing coffers. I do know that GoI imposes a restriction that not more than 33% of the annual spending can be spent in the last quarter of the fiscal year, but there is no restriction on spending all the capital outlay in the first 9 months.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby SagarAg » 31 Jan 2013 22:50

ramana wrote:The blame should really go the forces. How many times have the dilly dallied and wasted time by preventing procurements with funds already allotted? Its a annual feature to have the MoD return significant unused funds even after long delayed trials where they want to hit the back side of the moon!

Ramana saar I completely agree with you. The problem is you need to work to be able to spend the allotted funds. :mrgreen: You just can't spend the allotted funds on anything. Therefore a lot of funds remains unspent in a year.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby rohitvats » 31 Jan 2013 23:39

WRT the Hindu article by PS, well, this is the second time he has written an article on the beheading incident to downplay the Indian hurt on the issue. The first was the one where he peddled the 'grandma-in-distress' story. As was brought out then (by the tweet of a Pakistani reporter), it is quite obvious he is being used as a cat's paw to peddle a particular line of thinking. And that he is being fed by people who desperately want to get this aman-ki-asha sh*t going on - at any cost.

His access to the complaints to UN by PA could come from only two sources - PA and Indian establishment. The second because UN would have forwarded the complaints to Indian MOD. If people remember, the moment the beheading story broke out, PS and Saikat Datta came out with stories about beheading as 'business-as-usual' on the LOC. And both the cases, the sources seemed from the IB and MHA. Even in this case, I would not put the 'aman-ki-asha' community in Indian establishment beyond doubt. The tweet -again- by the same Pakistani journo shows that there is a concerted effort to paint a particular picture. IMO, PS is being used as an 'useful idiot' by people to peddle a particular line of thought.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby hnair » 01 Feb 2013 01:12

rohitvats wrote:His access to the complaints to UN by PA could come from only two sources - PA and Indian establishment.


rohitvats-saar, the stories' style has imprints of a khan narrative ("antagonist in the narrative must be irreproachably evil and capable"). Most probably this was scripted by khan, but fed to PS by paki/indian sources. Dont know the objectives though - is it to make PA look less mard or is it to make Indian govt agree to tone down so the drone watchers of PA need not be shifted to east borders? Or maybe both?

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby rohitvats » 01 Feb 2013 01:50

hnair wrote:<SNIP>rohitvats-saar, the stories' style has imprints of a khan narrative ("antagonist in the narrative must be irreproachably evil and capable"). Most probably this was scripted by khan, but fed to PS by paki/indian sources. Dont know the objectives though - is it to make PA look less mard or is it to make Indian govt agree to tone down so the drone watchers of PA need not be shifted to east borders? Or maybe both?


Well, with SV at the helm of affairs in The Hindu, quite possible.

While The Hindu has always being Chicoms mouthpiece and apologist in India, with SV, you might well add Uncle to the list as well. But there is sure a confluence of interest - Khan, Indian WKK brigade and Pukes.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby hnair » 01 Feb 2013 21:24

Rohitvats-saar, other data points of khan imprints - recent chaddi-uthar of their mijjile program. I am sure grouchy paki jernails who write memoirs are dime a dozen in pakiland. But one guy suddenly gets front page treatment. And that too for things like xerox khan saying "what is a km or two for CEP?" and missile landing in Iran etc and stuff blowing up fairly recently during tests etc 8)

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Aaryan » 01 Feb 2013 22:34

rohitvats wrote:WRT the Hindu article by PS, well, this is the second time he has written an article on the beheading incident to downplay the Indian hurt on the issue. The first was the one where he peddled the 'grandma-in-distress' story. As was brought out then (by the tweet of a Pakistani reporter), it is quite obvious he is being used as a cat's paw to peddle a particular line of thinking. And that he is being fed by people who desperately want to get this aman-ki-asha sh*t going on - at any cost.

His access to the complaints to UN by PA could come from only two sources - PA and Indian establishment. The second because UN would have forwarded the complaints to Indian MOD. If people remember, the moment the beheading story broke out, PS and Saikat Datta came out with stories about beheading as 'business-as-usual' on the LOC. And both the cases, the sources seemed from the IB and MHA. Even in this case, I would not put the 'aman-ki-asha' community in Indian establishment beyond doubt. The tweet -again- by the same Pakistani journo shows that there is a concerted effort to paint a particular picture. IMO, PS is being used as an 'useful idiot' by people to peddle a particular line of thought.


Rohit saar, why cant his source be a poki.. He has extensively quoted poki officers.. So may be he got rough draft from pak or may be from khan and then added some spice- a fictional Indian source- and Published it. He himself is WKK types plus icing on the cake is SV, so expect more in coming days.. May be this is work of poki mil/govt Pr with the support of our WKK and those who dream of a peace park in Siachen, so that the outrage of Mango people of India on the beheading of our soldiers can be toned down and then that agreement on Siachen can signed on the dotted line..
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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby rohitvats » 02 Feb 2013 10:36

^^^Oh! I absolutely believe the above is very much the case. I only submission is that there are likely to be people in Indian establishment who can point the way for him...facilitate the 'sharing' of information. The tweets by that sh*t-head Pakistani reporter is a clear indicator that this is an orchestrated event. And more than WKK, I think PS is working here as an useful idiot for people wanting to further an agenda. And he, in his journalistic crusade has fallen for this stuff hook-line and sinker.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby vishvak » 02 Feb 2013 14:54

IA should take these people to court, or else take shit by default and then react.

University of Mumbai has lessons .. the alleged communal bias of the Indian Army and police from a Foundation Course-II (FC-II) book that has material sourced from Pakistan's defence website
Professor Michael Vaz authored the book..
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"I was unaware that some of the content in the book was sourced from the Pakistan defence website. I do not want to talk on this issue(??), ..
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was not his own comments, but were sourced from newspaper reports and articles on the net. "In his letter, Professor Vaz shared the URL from where he had copied the content. One of the links was that of Pakistan's defence, wherein a commentator had painted a picture
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It's all vague commentary taken out of context by the writer and used to demonize India. However, it is very unfortunate that our students should be taught all that and that too in their textbook."
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The BJP functionary added that they will take up the case with the police and press for sedition charges against the author and publisher. "It is not only anti-national but also a fraud as there is a clear copyright violation here by the author."

Vaz, on his part, said his new book would be vetted carefully and any blame ascribed to political parties or the mentioning of names would be strictly avoided.

"Prof." Michael Vaz still does not say explicitly that he wrote nonsense in his book.

This seems to be an international habit to form a bias first and then add selective material later as part and parcel of bogus bias.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Lalmohan » 02 Feb 2013 15:14

if vaz has used the content he needs to cite the reference - and allow people to make their own minds up
the politicians should not be editing text books either


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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby putnanja » 04 Feb 2013 06:34

Defence clears new corps on China border

After much back and forth, the Defence Ministry has cleared setting up of a mountain strike corps along the China border, signalling its intent to press ahead with plans to strengthen offensive military capabilities despite recent calls from Beijing for a "new type" of military relationship.

The plan involves fresh accretion of close to 89,000 soldiers and 400 officers. The focus, sources said, is to be able to launch a counter-offensive into Tibet in case of a "Kargil-type adventure" by China.
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The new strike corps is expected to come up in Panagarh, West Bengal, along with two more divisions. An independent armoured brigade along with an artillery division may be part of the set-up. Already, two divisions are being raised in the eastern theatre.

However, the road ahead will still be difficult, particularly given the strain on the Finance Ministry at this point. While this is not going to be a one-time expenditure, it does fly in the face of North Block's efforts to effect expenditure cuts to contain the growing fiscal deficit.
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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Prem Kumar » 04 Feb 2013 10:41

Expect erudite article from Praful Bidwai on why the Mountain Corps is a waste of money when 80% of India live on less than $0.50 a day and dont have access to toilets (though they have access to temples)

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby member_23455 » 04 Feb 2013 11:25

putnanja wrote:Defence clears new corps on China border

After much back and forth, the Defence Ministry has cleared setting up of a mountain strike corps along the China border, signalling its intent to press ahead with plans to strengthen offensive military capabilities despite recent calls from Beijing for a "new type" of military relationship.

The plan involves fresh accretion of close to 89,000 soldiers and 400 officers. The focus, sources said, is to be able to launch a counter-offensive into Tibet in case of a "Kargil-type adventure" by China.
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The new strike corps is expected to come up in Panagarh, West Bengal, along with two more divisions. An independent armoured brigade along with an artillery division may be part of the set-up. Already, two divisions are being raised in the eastern theatre.

However, the road ahead will still be difficult, particularly given the strain on the Finance Ministry at this point. While this is not going to be a one-time expenditure, it does fly in the face of North Block's efforts to effect expenditure cuts to contain the growing fiscal deficit.
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Well this is clear as mud. The MoD had cleared the strike corps a long time back and it was the Finance Ministry that had sent the proposal back for review.

Does this mean that the MOD has pushed the file back again to Chidambaram and co? This game will then keep going on for some time.

Also, 89,000 soldiers and only 400 officers? That just does not compute.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby SSridhar » 04 Feb 2013 16:06

Look, P.Chidambaram and his Superior want to save money wherever they can because huge freebies need to be announced for 'capturing' voters for the 2014 elections(what a sane person would call otherwise as 'vote for money'). They are planning to cut the defence budget this year. So, he is playing a game and AK Antony promptly sent it back. Poor AKA, he is caught between party loyalty and the need for the strike corps.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Yogi_G » 04 Feb 2013 16:08

I hope the CAG will pick this up for questioning, nation's prosperity and security is being written away for votes.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby ramana » 07 Feb 2013 05:12

After having wasted four years of saying no when the money was available AKA utters pious nonsense about defence cuts due to bealk economy!
Anothe insecurity Minister!

Military gears up for budget cuts

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At a time when India’s national security is under scrutiny, defence minister AK Antony on Wednesday said the country will be forced to cut down on military spending in 2013-14 due to a bleak economic outlook.
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Antony said the armed forces had been asked to prioritise their requirements against the backdrop of a cut in allocation for defence in the forthcoming budget. The minister, however, emphasised that the operational readiness of the armed forces would not be compromised.

“We are in the process of prioritising military purchases. The service chiefs will take a call on what is critical for operational preparedness… We want more money, but we are not insulated from the global recession,” :rotfl: Antony said shortly after inaugurating Aero India 2013 — India’s biggest aerospace show — outside Bangalore.

{Wah! When you had the funds up the kazoo you made sure the services can never use the funds by claiming to be honest personally. And now you talk of global recession when the Indian economy tanked because your party partied like there is no tomorrow and stole so much from the govt!}
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This is the first time in recent years that the armed forces are facing such a financial crunch. Last year, the finance ministry turned down the military’s demand for an additional outlay of R45,000 crore over and above the defence outlay of R1.93 lakh crore for 2012-13. This was followed by the budget being cut by R10,000 crore.

Antony had sought the additional R45,000 crore from the Centre in May 2012, factoring in "changed threat perception" — an euphemism for the possibility of China and Pakistan ganging up against India. On Wednesday, too, he flagged concerns over Pakistan handing over the Gwadar port to China. :(( :mrgreen:

The looming budget cut implies India’s defence spending will remain less than 2% of the GDP for the second straight year, at a time when experts are arguing that it should be more than 3%, seen against the backdrop of China’s rising military might.




Just like Neroyanan he is one of the biggest insecurity Minister.
He should have at least asked for retaining the 2% and let PC make his cuts.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby SSridhar » 07 Feb 2013 11:13

I am appalled by the following report. I really do not know why IDSA invited P.Chidambaram to give the K. Subrahmanyam Memorial Lecture on ‘India’s National Security- Challenges and Priorities’. It was probably because of his stint as the Home minister and the shameful fact that the current Home minister is not cerebral enough to make such speeches.

P.Chidambaram has made a fool of himself and it is unfortunate that nobody questioned him. He is blaming the IA for GoI's inability to lift AFSPA. He has committed two major, unforgiveable mistakes in the process. First, he has trampled upon the 'collective responsibility' of the Cabinet. The Defence Ministry and the Defence Minister himself have opposed the lifting of the AFSPA. So, for P. Chidambaram, who used to be derisively described by Muthuvel Karunandihi as 'that small boy from Sivaganga', to point to the IA for the inability of the GoI to lift AFSPA is a serious breach of code of conduct incumbent upon him. Secondly, what is he trying to say here ? That, the IA must fight the jihadi terrorists without any protection from law and with its hands tied behind its back ? Isn't he using an august forum to accuse the IA as though all that damage the current ruling coterie has already done to the IA is not enough ?

Also see how, when it comes to political corruption, he retreats. Slimy characters.
P. Chidambaram

Union Finance Minister P. Chidambaram on Wednesday stressed the need for making the controversial Armed Forces (Special Power) Act (AFSPA) a more “humanitarian” law, but asserted that the Union government could not move forward as there was “no consensus” between the Army and the government on the issue.

“The Army has taken a strong stand against any dilution of the AFSPA… We can’t move forward because there is no consensus.

“The present and former Army Chiefs have taken a strong position that the Act should not be amended... They also does not want the government notification [of bringing areas under the AFSPA) to be taken back. How does the government move forward…to make the AFSPA a more humanitarian law?,” he said, delivering the K. Subrahmanyam Memorial Lecture on ‘India’s National Security- Challenges and Priorities’ at the Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses (IDSA).

Notably, the Justice Verma Committee, in its report setting forth measures to curb sexual violence, highlighted the misuse of the AFSPA by Army personnel and recommended that “sexual violence against women by members of the armed forces or uniformed personnel must be brought within the purview of the ordinary criminal law.” But the Centre has not included this in its ordinance to strengthen laws to tackle sexual assaults.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Aditya_V » 07 Feb 2013 12:30

I think the GOI should take a strong decision of no use of Army for Internal security for prolonged periods of time.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby ramana » 07 Feb 2013 21:51

SSridhar,

"When small men cast big shadows, its time for sunset" Lin Yutang

Especially when small boys with small minds cast big shadows its definitely yugantara.


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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Prem Kumar » 16 Feb 2013 03:00



The inadvertently-crossing-soldier fired from his AK-56 wounding a couple of our jawans. He has been sent back in a casket with full military honors

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby SagarAg » 16 Feb 2013 03:04

^How did he crossed the LoC which is covered by barbed electric wires throughout. :-?
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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Ankit Desai » 16 Feb 2013 03:20

IIRC LoC is not wired but IB is.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby member_23455 » 16 Feb 2013 08:06

Ankit Desai wrote:IIRC LoC is not wired but IB is.

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LoC is fenced but as anyone who's been around that terrain will testify to, it cannot be done right through all the natural features, especially those which involve H2O.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Ankit Desai » 16 Feb 2013 09:22

RajitO wrote:LoC is fenced but as anyone....


If you fenced LoC than fence becomes permanent demarcation and LoC is no longer considered LoC. You may find some temporary or make shift arrangement but not same as SagarAg posted in the picture. You may find such temporary arrangements much inside Indian side (where pakis can not disturb it) than on LoC. I am sure you know what is the meaning of LoC.

The obstructive natural features you mentioned are applied to IB too.

check out maps.google.com .

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Aditya_V » 16 Feb 2013 10:36

Whatever, it means that Paki did not inadvertently cross it, he deliberately crossed it.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby rohitvats » 16 Feb 2013 10:52

^^^ The fencing is at a certain distance INSIDE the LOC and not on the LOC.

Each side of LOC has a no-man's land where no structures can be build - at least theoretically. The depth of fence from LOC generally at the point where no-man's land ends. But, for various reasons like geography and lay-of-the-land, the alignment varies from location to location.

In case of recent cross border raid by PA BAT, they had ambushed Indian patrol between fence and no-man's land. And it so happens that the sector they chose is hilly will undulating terrain and fence sits a some depth from LOC. This allowed them to come in undetected and site an ambush.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby atreya » 16 Feb 2013 13:44

Rohitvats ji, I learnt some time ago that the fencing is BEHIND the Army posts there. So, how exactly is it? Is it LoC--> No man's Land--> Army posts--> Fencing?

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby rohitvats » 16 Feb 2013 15:16

atreya wrote:Rohitvats ji, I learnt some time ago that the fencing is BEHIND the Army posts there. So, how exactly is it? Is it LoC--> No man's Land--> Army posts--> Fencing?


As I said, from what I know, the fence generally sits at the same depth from LOC where the no-man's land ends.

As you have said, some of the army posts are between LOC and fence in this area. This could be because the fence is sited in depth for reasons of geography or nature of terrain or tactical considerations. Try and figure out the fence on Google Earth and see its alignment...in the plains of Jammu, it follows the alignment of LOC at a certain depth...the moment it reaches hilly and thence, mountainous areas, the alighment varies.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby kancha » 16 Feb 2013 15:44

Was the fence constructed before, or after the ceasefire on the LoC? I guess that would also have some impact on the alignment

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby tsarkar » 16 Feb 2013 22:01

^^ Fencing in J&K started much earlier than ABV Govt ceasefire.

The first successful fence was on the Punjab border, followed by Bangladesh. The success of these fencing exercises were much higher than expectations. Thereafter the J&K fencing was started. The fence has been greatly instrumental in reducing infiltration.

The fence is among the greatest feats of military engineering of last century - though unrecognized by the nation & the world - given the nature of the terrain and the continuous firing & hostile activities by the Pakistani forces.

It is some distance behind the LoC, often exploiting natural defensive advantages of the terrain. There are posts beyond the fence.

BTW, for so much hue & cry of the lost Pakistani in the newspaper, he might as well have been on a survey/reco.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby SagarAg » 17 Feb 2013 11:40

tsarkar wrote:^^ Fencing in J&K started much earlier than ABV Govt ceasefire.

The first successful fence was on the Punjab border, followed by Bangladesh. The success of these fencing exercises were much higher than expectations. Thereafter the J&K fencing was started. The fence has been greatly instrumental in reducing infiltration.

The fence is among the greatest feats of military engineering of last century 8) 8) - though unrecognized by the nation & the world - given the nature of the terrain and the continuous firing & hostile activities by the Pakistani forces.

It is some distance behind the LoC, often exploiting natural defensive advantages of the terrain. There are posts beyond the fence.

BTW, for so much hue & cry of the lost Pakistani in the newspaper, he might as well have been on a survey/reco.



So, the Indian RR soldiers were patrolling between LoC and post beyond the fence when the ambush took place. :?: :-? If yes then no further questions but if they were patrolling behind the fencing how did the Pak team ambushed them behind the fence?

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby atreya » 17 Feb 2013 13:19

SagarAg, I don't know about the ambush day, but usually Army patrols with the fence to their back near the LoC. But if pics are to be believed, in Rajasthan and Gujarat, the BSF patrols BEHIND the fence, thereby giving them some measure of security.

And a minor nitpick, I don't think the ambushed patrol was that of RR. AFAIK, RR isn't involved in patrolling at the border, can't be sure of that though. Wasn't the patrol a regular Army unit?


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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby rohitvats » 18 Feb 2013 10:17



From the above link, an important news item:

A case in point is Durbuk-Daulat Beg Oldie road. About 160km of this 255km-long critical passage that provides connectivity to Daulat Beg Oldie - the last point before Karakoram - has been completed, but a 110km stretch needs to be re-laid. A problem in the road's alignment was noticed after sections were washed away by flooding from the Shyok river that flows along the link.


DBO has been maintained till date through air-maintenance. The surface link involves hiking through a very treacherous terrain and from Shyok Village along the Shyok river, DBO is easily 3-4 days trek.

The laying of this road should allow for easier movement of troops and material and reduce dependence on air-support. A long overdue requirement which is being thankfully now being met.

Added later:

The road will allow for surface connectivity of this vital sector - also called Sub Sector North (SSN) with both Nubra Valley and Chushul.

Please see the map link below:

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=34.1105896&lon=78.1118938&z=8&l=0&m=h

The cursor in the map is centered on Darbuk - which is situated prior to Pangong Tso Lake and Chushul further down. The road connects Darbuk with Shyok Village and thence follows north along the alignment of Shyok River in upper Shyok Valley.

What remains to be the seen is how it moves from Shyok River valley to Aksai Chin Plateau. The land route taken to reach DBO and thence KK Pass actually leaves the Shyok River and reached a point called Murgo which has a village and I think an ITBP Camp as well. From here, it goes to Burtse Camp, Qizil Langar and reaches the Depsang Plains.

The cursor on the map below is centered on Murgo:
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=35.0411581&lon=77.9366019&z=12&l=0&m=b&v=8

To North-East of Murgo you can see Burtse Camp marked on the map. North of this is Qizil Langar and Depsang Plain. Further North is DBO and KK Pass.

The new road will connect DBO with Nubra Valley and HQ of 102 Infantry Bde (responsible for SSN/DBO) and Chushul (HQ of 114 Infantry Bde). We will finally get much required connectivity between sectors. But mind you, Shyok is a very treacherous river. If you zoom on the river in maps linked above, you can see that it flows in multiple channels. On top of it, the side walls of river are very steep.

These two features pose two problems - (a) you cannot walk along the bank of the river as there is practically no bank. You have to walk on the river bed. (b) Because you have to walk along river bed and the river flows in multiple channels, you are forced to cross the river multiple times as you zig-zag your way from one bank to other.

Here is an example of river flowing in multiple channels:

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby tsarkar » 18 Feb 2013 11:42

SagarAg wrote:Indian RR soldiers
atreya wrote:don't think the ambushed patrol was that of RR.
Side effect of using too much jargon. The Army Unit was Rajputana Rifles that SagarAg has abbrevated to RR. The official abbreviation is RajRif. RR referred by atreya is for Rashtriya Rifles, that operates on the CI grid.

@Rohit - Building a road along the river is highly risky - cloudbursts or melting snow can increase water levels in no time. Following the mountain slope with culverts for barsati nallahs is a better option. These roads will be expensive to build & will suffer from rockslides/mudslides but hopefully cant be flooded for long stretches of time.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby rohitvats » 18 Feb 2013 11:59

tsarkar wrote:<SNIP>
@Rohit - Building a road along the river is highly risky - cloudbursts or melting snow can increase water levels in no time. Following the mountain slope with culverts for barsati nallahs is a better option. These roads will be expensive to build & will suffer from rockslides/mudslides but hopefully cant be flooded for long stretches of time.


Correct.

I think that is what will be required to be done. The roads will have to be cut in the side walls at an elevation from the river bed. And in this case, to prevent requirement for river crossing (and associated bridge), the road will have to be on the eastern bank of Shyok river.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby vaibhav.n » 18 Feb 2013 16:09

atreya wrote:Rohitvats ji, I learnt some time ago that the fencing is BEHIND the Army posts there. So, how exactly is it? Is it LoC--> No man's Land--> Army posts--> Fencing?


The LC fence does not run exactly along the LC. It is in fact, anything from a few hundred meters to upto five kms. There were small pockets of settlements which often straddle the LC, AFAIK these were also not relocated.

The LC fence is also not continuous as one might imagine as not only are these damaged more frequently but are also difficult to maintain but built along the traditional infiltration routes ie infamous nallah's. The idea being to bottle up attempts along certain areas which can be dominated along the ridgelines. they are built into the three-tier CI grid. With regular troops guarding the LC, some units which are dual-tasked followed by the RR Sectors.


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